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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#252101: Aug 14th 2018 at 3:47:20 PM

Someone, please remind me that just because someone's endorsed by Our Revolution does not make them a bad candidate if I liked them before.

No it doesn't, I don't like Sanders but Our Revolution is not inherently objectionable and can (should) endorse good candidates.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 14th 2018 at 6:49:33 AM

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#252102: Aug 14th 2018 at 4:25:47 PM

Yes, I read her policies and was unimpressed. Mind you, the whole thing about Senator Clinton is that it doesn't matter if her policies were lukewarm compared to what I think America needs as they were...

Getting a coupon at Applebees vs. getting kicked in the nuts repeatedly then set on fire.

I don't like Applebees but it's not really a choice.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#252103: Aug 14th 2018 at 5:44:01 PM

Applebees is nice actually.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#252104: Aug 14th 2018 at 5:46:51 PM

I got no problem with Applebee’s either, though I prefer TGIF.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#252105: Aug 14th 2018 at 5:47:36 PM

I have never had Applebees but I've always liked the name.

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
Wryte Pretentious Git from A Disney Pocket Dimension Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Pretentious Git
#252106: Aug 14th 2018 at 5:58:13 PM

Senator Clinton

Secretary Clinton.

What matters in this life is much more than winning for ourselves. What really matters is helping others win, too. - F. Rogers.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#252107: Aug 14th 2018 at 6:01:16 PM

Y'all need to go to Fuddruckers.

Kobach has won the Republican primary for Kansas governor.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#252108: Aug 14th 2018 at 6:03:05 PM

Ethan Sonneborn: 14-year-old boy uses legal quirk to run for Vermont governor

One of the four Vermont Democrats seeking the party nomination to run for governor in the fall election isn't old enough to vote, let alone drive. Ethan Sonneborn, 14, of Bristol, met the requirements to be on the primary ballot and is taking his place with the state's more age-appropriate candidates on the Tuesday primary ballot, to say nothing of numerous candidate forums and debates.

"I think Vermonters should take me seriously because I have practical progressive ideas, and I happen to be 14, not the other way around," Sonneborn said in a recent televised gubernatorial forum. "I think that my message and my platform transcend age."

The Vermont Constitution doesn't have an age requirement for people seeking the state's highest office beyond having lived in the state for four years before the election. Sonneborn qualifies.

That apparent oversight by the state's founders more than 225 years ago was enough to encourage the politically precocious teen to collect the signatures needed to place him on the primary ballot.

He said he's always been fascinated with the concept of building coalitions. Robert F. Kennedy was the politician who most embodies that for him.

"It's on us to build our own future," Sonneborn told The Washington Post last week. "You've got to get involved, you've got to vote, you've got to knock on doors. It's how we're going to make the changes we want to see in the state, in this country, in this world. When we get involved, we make our democracy stronger."

Sonneborn said his decision to run grew out of his frustration with state and national politics. The teen learned he could, and then decided to do so as a gut reaction to clashes in Charlottesville, Virginia, one year ago.

Sonneborn thinks he'll do better in the primary than people are expecting. And he measures his campaign's success another way, too.

"I think if I can get one person who wasn't involved in the political process before involved now, then my campaign will have been a success," he said.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 14th 2018 at 2:07:00 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#252109: Aug 14th 2018 at 6:06:22 PM

Y'all need to go to Fuddruckers.

Huh, I've never heard of that but there are four near me and they're all highly rated.

I'll try it sometime smile

Kobach has won the Republican primary for Kansas governor.

Hmm, I don't know anything about him but he's a Republican so I'm sure he's some kind of awful.

And after spending a few seconds researching him it seems that Slate despises him.

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
Like reflections in the glass!
#252110: Aug 14th 2018 at 6:06:46 PM

I wish Sonneborn luck in this endeavor, but I can't help but feel like Vermont is going to wind up with an Obvious Rule Patch should he fail (or even should he succeed)

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Aug 14th 2018 at 6:06:39 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#252111: Aug 14th 2018 at 6:09:12 PM

I don't, the idea of a fourteen year old holding office is horrifying and farcical.

Even Idiocracy didn't imagine that future.

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#252112: Aug 14th 2018 at 6:09:13 PM

[up][up]The Republican incumbent is already looking into it.

Another article elsewhere (I can't find it right now) said that Sonneborn's primary aim is to get young people who are of voting age politically active. That's why he's measuring his success by whether or not he can get people active who were previously disengaged.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 14th 2018 at 2:12:08 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#252113: Aug 14th 2018 at 6:10:24 PM

[up]Good for him, still shouldn't run for office. He's obviously principled and unusually engaged for his age but that just means that he should volunteer with the local party instead of running.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 14th 2018 at 9:12:25 AM

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#252114: Aug 14th 2018 at 6:11:04 PM

Is he the only possible democrat?

TVRulezAgain Since: Sep, 2011
#252115: Aug 14th 2018 at 6:14:00 PM

No, there are others in the primary. So far, the Democratic front-runner is Christine Hallquist, who, if elected, would be the first transgender governor.

@Fourthspartan 56 Kobach was the head of Trump's voter suppression fraud panel which has since been disbanded.

Edited by TVRulezAgain on Aug 14th 2018 at 6:15:32 AM

kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#252116: Aug 14th 2018 at 6:15:10 PM

[up][up][up]I would imagine he'd be more of a figurehead and let his running mate do the actual governing. Not sure if that's better or worse.

Edited by kkhohoho on Aug 14th 2018 at 8:14:50 AM

Imca (Veteran)
#252117: Aug 14th 2018 at 6:15:36 PM

Y'all need to go to Fuddruckers.

There is one right across the river.... but.... that's New Jersey.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#252118: Aug 14th 2018 at 6:15:41 PM

I personally think he's done the right thing to get his message out the door.

It's easy to ignore the message if the kid says he's campaigning ob behalf of a typical Democratic representative. Kids have done that plenty of times and the press doesn't pay any attention. However, this act has made the press broadcast his message.

He doesn't expect to win, but he thinks he can do just well enough to inspire people to get out and active. If that's your message, you need to do something dramatic to get the attention so that message can be heard.

I don't think anyone realistically wants a fourteen year old to win, and I don't think he realistically expects to win. But, by taking the process seriously, putting together actual policy options and getting people talking about it, he's already doing more than most people can do by knocking doors on behalf of a different person.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 14th 2018 at 2:18:41 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#252119: Aug 14th 2018 at 6:35:22 PM

I suppose the potential silver lining to Kobach being the Republican nominee for governor is that he is such a godawful trashfire that it just might motivate the turnout to beat him.

The downside, of course, is that if he wins Kansas is guaranteed to absolutely fucked even more than it is already.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#252120: Aug 14th 2018 at 6:50:24 PM

[up][up]This is extremely compelling but... I just don't know. Running for office in my view is an almost sacred thing, I just can't condone someone grossly unfit running even if it's just a message.

[up]Yeah I call it the "Donald Trump Effect" a godawful candidate is nice in that it makes it easier to beat them but the fact that they have a chance at winning makes it rather wretched.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 14th 2018 at 9:50:47 AM

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#252121: Aug 14th 2018 at 7:10:46 PM

Applebees used to be a favorite of mine til they grossly lowered the quality of their steaks to save money.

And then suddenly people hated their steaks.

Shock.

Then they tried to fix it.

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/eats/applebee-starts-serving-real-steaks-wood-fired-grill-article-1.2638797

To mixed results.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#252122: Aug 14th 2018 at 7:45:29 PM

The defense in the Manafort trial rest their case without even offering any witnesses or evidence. This is alarming. It's a show of extreme confidence on their part that the prosecution has failed to provide condemning proof of Manafort's crimes, and therefore that nothing more needs to be said.

If the jury comes back with a Not Guilty verdict for Manafort, he'll still have another trial in September for money laundering and lobbying as a foreign agent without registering as one. But it's not going to be a good look for the Mueller investigation if one of our star arrests is exonerated in his first trial.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 14th 2018 at 8:47:33 AM

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kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#252123: Aug 14th 2018 at 7:51:17 PM

[up]Or Mueller's team may have provided such a damning case that the defense feels actually mounting a defense would be futile. They may even be trying to make a plea deal.

Edited by kkhohoho on Aug 14th 2018 at 9:56:37 AM

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#252124: Aug 14th 2018 at 7:54:10 PM

They could be banking on a pardon from Trump

Oh really when?
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#252125: Aug 14th 2018 at 7:58:28 PM

[up][up][up] From Renato Mariotti:

This is a smart move by the defense unless they had something great to work with. Putting on just a witness or two can seem weak in the face of overwhelming evidence from the prosecution.

This means they proceed directly to closing arguments, with no additional evidence.

Since some of you asked, this is not an unusual move. Typically in a white collar case, the defense calls no witnesses or just a few.


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