Just A Face And A Caption (Broken Bird): Broken Bird

It's a character from Fruits Basket sitting. There has to be a better pic, yes?

How would you suggest going about visualizing it?

I don't know. If it can, someone else is going to need to find a way.

We just closed this case.

It was decided by a majority to not be JAFAAC I will post the link.

edited 8th Jul '11 3:12:45 PM by TheDeadMansLife

It wasn't decided to not be JAFAAC, it was decided that they liked it enough to keep it in spite of the fact that it was JAFAAC.

Case in point.

edited 8th Jul '11 3:19:32 PM by EnglishIvy

It was voted ten to one against with Reason: The pic implies the trope strongly enough to overcome JAFAAC's limitations.

JAFAAC is TRS right now for these reasons.

"Remember, the purpose of the image is not to provide an example, but to illustrate the trope to help readers understand the trope. Since there's a very broad number of works, we can't be sure the reader has experienced the work in question, so a picture that has a caption assuring readers the image is an example, or spoilers simply don't serve that purpose"

The pic works because this is a character trope. If it was an action, dialouge, or sound trope then yes this picture is horribly JAFAAC. JAFAAC is bad when people put the pic there because the character IS an example, when the pic should demonstrate instead. JAFAAC is not inherently bad, and is fine in this example, because all we need is JAFAAC.

So with that

vote to keep current picture.

Reasons. Picture works.

Sidenote: This thread has no purpose.

My opinion hasn't changed since that extremely recent Image Pickin' thread. Seriously, you could have at least proposed a replacement pic before re-opening this this early: there's already enough open threads in this forum not to add a new one like that.

Vote to keep current picture.

Let's wait for the results of the JAFAAC TRS thread, then.

Vote to keep the pic.

The pic was totally just a face or character the reader is just supposed to recognize.

edited 8th Jul '11 4:33:08 PM by FastEddie

We weren't arguing that specifically in the previous thread; the argument that led to the pic being kept was that the pic demonstrated the character's hurt/depression/anger/whatever sufficiently well that the trope could be inferred, which makes it not JAFAAC. Granted, it's not perfect by any means, but it certainly wasn't bad enough to warrant a unilateral pull.

So... can we put the image back up? It showed a expression that represented the Broken Bird.

Take all the Smile Tropes—many of them are literally just a face and a caption. But the nature of the tropes is that you show those things, and it's enough. A hair color trope will have the hair color as the most important part. Nothing needs to happen for it to express the trope.

In this case, this girl's posture and face (as well as general physical appearance, in some respects) imply the trope. I think it communicates it well enough. If we can find better, great, but I don't think it warrants a pull.

It's okay for the Smile Tropes to be just faces, since that's what smiles are. Facial expressions.

There's more to this trope than a simple facial expression and a way of sitting down, or at least I would hope.

I think it expresses it well enough not to warrant an outright pull. The trope is a depressed person with a veneer of coldness or cynicism. I think it expresses it.

That was a horrible picture. All it showed was a girl with a grumpy expression, nothing about a deep emotional trauma or a tragic backstory. It demonstrated absolutely nothing but frowning.

I have no idea who the character in question is, but the posture and the body language show the trope well.

Eh. I'm not attached to the image and don't think it's that great.

I hate anime, we all need a hobby, and I thought it was good. But admin trumps lowly worm so I think we need to find a new pic.

JAFAAC does not apply, it demonstrates the trope. It overwhelmingly won the last Image Picking thread on this.

The image in question:

Look I suggested a different image that I preferred over this one, but this isn't JAFAAC, she looks like a depressed withdrawn girl. ie a Broken Bird.

And Eddie I have to say I think it highly inappropriate for you to come and just impose your will on the community when you don't even bother to read the arguments about the image. Nobody was claiming that people had to just recognize the character, they argued that it demonstrated the trope. It's great that you want to move quickly to a solution, but Fast Eddie ought to slow down a bit when he sees that there was an Image Picking thread and crowner that selected this picture.

I say this as someone who did not particularly care for this image. In fact I opposed it, but even though I have no idea who the character is I can see how it demonstrates the trope.

edited 8th Jul '11 7:27:46 PM by Sackett

Um, no. That picture does not indicate anything about a tragic backstory, or suffering, or anything like that. She doesn't have a thousand-yard stare. She just looks like she's sulking.

edited 8th Jul '11 7:27:41 PM by EnglishIvy

And the vast majority disagreed with you. Look, whether or not the image sufficiently demonstrates the trope is subjective. I tend to agree with you that we can do better, but the fact that she is more than just a face and a caption is not subjective.

She's not just a face and a caption. She is demonstrating body behavior that can communicate this trope, or at least a majority of tropers thought so.

Claiming she's JAFAAC so that you can forcibly remove the image against majority will does violence to the community spirit of this wiki and it is unwise for JAFAAC to be used that way.

edited 8th Jul '11 7:31:49 PM by Sackett

Does not indicate the tragic backstory, I'll grant you that. Does not indicate the suffering, that I disagree: the look and the sitting position are the indicator. When I was young and in moments I was suffering morally, I did that kind of thing.

Quite frankly, short of a comic strip mentioning the tragic backstory, I think that trope is unpicturable. At the very least for the time being, I have nothing to offer.

edited 8th Jul '11 7:34:53 PM by AceNoctali

Indeed. That's why I said that she looks like she's sulking.

The trope is not about temporary anguish, but rather, something that's been going on for a long time and has shaped her personality.

This◊ was the image I wanted.

Correct body language.

Broken glass behind her as metaphoric representation of her broken heart. (The crack being centered on her heart).

Dark and tragic backstory hinted at in the scenes behind her.

Raven from Teen Titans = nice pun about Broken Bird

edited 8th Jul '11 7:38:53 PM by Sackett