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Recent political stuff:
- The vote to see if Britain should adopt Alternative Voting has failed.
- Lib Dems lose lots of councils and councillors, whilst Labour make the majority of the gains in England.
- The Scottish National Party do really well in the elections.
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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 3rd 2023 at 11:15:30 AM
Servant of the Omnissiah
They start killing Catholics, the Provos are going to make the streets run red. And given that Insurgency and Terrorism have become far more refined over the years....
Gods, I can't even begin to imagine it. World's gone mad.
Pray that it doesn't escalate. At this point, that's all anyone can do, short of a miracle out of Whitehall.
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Yeah, I'll do that.
In the meantime, let's see what happens. We've got till March, and I expect there will be more attempts to try to prevent this from happening.
We can only hope.
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
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Brexit voters don't want an open border with the EU.
Unionists don't want a hard border with the rest of the UK.
Republicans don't want a hard border with the RoI.
These can't all be true.
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A procrastination in of itself
The Brexit voters have the least experience launching a sustained campaign of domestic terrorism, so I say we piss them off.
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
Yep, I for one wouldn't know where to start. Then again, I'm not technically a Brexit voter, shifted to a Lexit position after the referendum.
Has anyone claimed responsibility so far?
It looks like the old protocols were used care of the heads up. That could point to whodunit if they included the code phrases. But, if not... <shrugs>
We might be waiting a bit for confirmation.
It's back to the '80s, folks. Just as well we never got rid of bin security measures.
Edited by Euodiachloris on Jan 19th 2019 at 12:34:00 PM
I dunno, solid train station bins have been making a comeback.
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Legosi
So thanks to Brexit people have died?
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Not yet.
Oh, and I think it was reported that two people with NIRA links were arrested in connection to the incident?
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Oh, bother.
People can't have died because of Brexit because Brexit has not happened yet.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Er, does the name Jo Cox ring any bells?
A procrastination in of itself
Yeah we had a sitting member of parliament assassinated to further the cause of Brexit, we shouldn't forget that.
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
That said, watch people try to deny that using M84's line
Honestly, there might even victims of Brexit past Jo Cox already. Just consider how expensive the food has gotten since the pound has fallen. There were families in which parents went hungry for the sake of their children beforehand. We have no idea how many people are already impacted by Brexit in a manner which potentially cost life.
But officially, the death count if Brexit is currently 1. I fear, it won't stay that way.
Edited by Swanpride on Jan 20th 2019 at 9:29:38 AM
A neighbour of mine committed suicide a few months ago. He got laid off from his council job and couldn't face job searching at his age, Universal Credit and the uncertainty of what he considered the looming crash out of the EU on top.
So he punched his ticket on his own terms. Can't say I blame him. Rest in peace, Mike. You're missed (especially by the juvenile gull that's now fully fledged which you fed almost every day, you soft touch), but most people get why you did it.
Edited by Euodiachloris on Jan 20th 2019 at 5:55:56 PM
Oh, bother.
If you're going to count the Brexit campaign, then yes. At least one person is dead because of it.
How many people are dead because of the desire of or fear of Brexit? Who knows?
But the actual Brexit hasn't happened yet. I'm thinking of the people who will die because of the damage Brexit will do to the economy, to health and safety regulations, the Ireland border issue, etc.
Edited by M84 on Jan 21st 2019 at 1:50:00 AM
Disgusted, but not surprised
A procrastination in of itself
Hasn't the DWP been specificity mentioned in multiple suicide notes? This shit sadly isn't new.
Yup. But, as the DWP constantly states, it's only trying to maximise outcomes!
Oh, bother.
That seems less like deaths caused by Brexit and more deaths caused by the Tories. This Universal Credit crap was a thing long before the Brexit vote.
Edited by M84 on Jan 21st 2019 at 2:00:51 AM
Disgusted, but not surprised
Mike wasn't backward about complaining about Brexit. <shrugs> It was a factor. Not as big a factor as having to go through the UC hoops at... I think it was 47? 48? But, yeah: mostly "I'm financially screwed".
In 2017, a study did report that approximately 120,000 people may have died as a result of Tory policies between 2010-2014; without changes to policy, the figure was projected to rise to 200,000 by 2020. This study does not factor in Brexit.
Landmark study links Tory austerity to 120,000 deaths
The paper found that there were 45,000 more deaths in the first four years of Tory-led efficiencies than would have been expected if funding had stayed at pre-election levels.
On this trajectory that could rise to nearly 200,000 excess deaths by the end of 2020, even with the extra funding that has been earmarked for public sector services this year.
Real terms funding for health and social care fell under the Conservative-led Coalition Government in 2010, and the researchers conclude this “may have produced” the substantial increase in deaths.
The paper identified that mortality rates in the UK had declined steadily from 2001 to 2010, but this reversed sharply with the death rate growing again after austerity came in.
From this reversal the authors identified that 45,368 extra deaths occurred between 2010 and 2014, than would have been expected, although it stops short of calling them "avoidable".
Based on those trends it predicted the next five years - from 2015 to 2020 - would account for 152,141 deaths - 100 a day - findings which one of the authors likened to “economic murder”.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jan 20th 2019 at 6:44:44 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
If you compare the extra deaths to the government deficit change since 2010 you discover that to anyone defending this policy a human life is worth an average of £210,000. If you compare that to the amount the NHS is willing to pay in order for someone to live an extra year in perfect health then apparently this is only consistent if your average austerity victim would only have lived around seven more years anyway.
Of course that is all irrelevant because it's impossible for the British government to run out of money anyway, but it is now possible to put a vague price on austerian sociopathy. All those lives put together were apparently seven times less important than the continued supremacy of the City of London.
Edited by DeathorCake on Jan 20th 2019 at 9:20:34 AM
Captain of the Dead City
Interesting new pro-Brexit argument I heard recently - "the EU are going to force us to join the Euro in a few years" and some extra bits about homogenising European countries. This sounds like another version of the "they're trying to make an European superstate, boo hiss!" argument and I know that the EU can't force anyone to join the Euro if they don't want to, but is there any basis to this line? Even an upcoming piece of legislation that has been completely misinterpreted?
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Incidentally, the actuarial price of a human life (which big organisations do actually need to take into account) was about £2.5 million last time I checked, although it's probably up to £3 million by now thanks to inflation.
What's precedent ever done for us?
An Irish Sea border will result in the UVF rearming and trying to kill as many Catholics as it takes for them to vote for a hard border.
Also Northern Ireland can't have devolved power because it currently has no government due to the Catholic and Protestant sides being unable to work together.
Though I'm not sure what happens to the Northern Irish assembly once the Good Friday Agreement is invalidated by Brexit.
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran