Justice League

Honestly, I'd be down for a non-murder happy Robin after Titans.

That bad? I gave the show a try, but it kind of lost me when Robin/Nightwing beat up this gang just to get to the one guy who abused his daughter and then I kind of fell asleep….

I think the shows positively received.

IIRC at one point Robin beats down some mooks and then tasks Starfire with blowing up the asylum with the guys still inside.

Oh it's a fun show, don't get me wrong, but the Titans can be ruthless at times.

Oh...sounds like it isn't for me. I can barely stomach the Punisher doing that kind of stuff.

It's a considerably different beast than most Titans adaptations. Like, this is the first showing of Starfire's powers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPQd9S7DuSc

You really gotta know what you're getting into with this series.

What I was saying was that film lovers started to appreciate more than just the actors, not that movies themselves became high art because of it. The Auteur Theory also gave rise to the condemnation of the directors for a bad movie, saying it's all their fault without consideration that others may be to blame. And even with a well received movie the Auteur has its limits, one of the reasons the warehouse scene from BVS was so well received is because the Nolan films were pretty lackluster in the fist fight department (and not due to the quality of stuntmen, BTS shows much more impressive concept footage than what was made on set).

The concern with the MCU is that we now have an entire franchise of films that are made by the same general committee, which leads to this homogenization. You take away their signature weapons and go with general fisticuffs and Thor, Captain America and Iron Man largely fight the same way, a kind of generic martial artist style. Even in the Captain Marvel trailers, the super saiyan stuff is cool but change her fist photon blasts to palm repulsors and she moves like Iron Man (her fighting in space looks almost identical to Iron Man first engaging the Chitauri in Avengers).

Just to be clear, Robin doesn't actually kill anyone in Titans. The only Titans that do are Starfire and Beast Boy. The former doesn't have a rule against killing in the comics and while the latter doesn't kill in the comics, he shows regret when he does it on the show. And both characters only kill when other people are trying to kill them.

Edited by windleopard on Jan 19th 2019 at 9:08:51 AM

The problem with the auteur driven approach is that it looks good on paper, but every director isn’t a Nolan. I’d say Aquaman and Wonder Woman being better received than BVS has just as much to do with the people behind the camera than it does the lack of executive interference.

True, but the reality is that the MCU films being relatively consistent is largely credited to Kevin Feige, and some backstage politics even took him some time to cement his power, both before Iron Man and again around AOU. Functionally, the MCU working as well as it does is a unicorn and any sort of claim of "This is the way it's done" is ignoring the fact that it normally doesn't work that way.

And I doubt there will be an end to DCEU crossovers, it's probably more that they will not be doing 2-3 movies a year every year, and that's okay. I just realized that the MCU is front loading three movies in less than 4 months this year, which is getting close to cannibalizing each other.

I’m not expecting any crossovers for the forseeable future. Another Justice League won’t be happening anytime soon, and with Batman looking to be largely unconnected and likely with a new cast and Superman seemingly being in limbo for the time being, I’m not expecting much there either.

There’s Flash, but how many false starts has that had by now? Closest we’re likely to get to any sort of crossovers will be Harley Quinn’s various appearances. And I guess Black Adam if that ever happens.

Edited by comicwriter on Jan 20th 2019 at 12:28:24 PM

Sooo wait, Aquaman movie actually did well?

Huh, I guess individual character focusing DC Extended Universe movies do better than cross overs at least? O_o

Its made over a billion already.

Its doing very well.

There's already speculation that there will be a Harley Quinn trilogy: Birds of Prey, Gotham City Sirens, and then Birds of Prey vs Gotham City Sirens.

Personally, I'd be okay with this, although I wonder why they don't just give her her own solo movie. It's not like Margot Robbie can't hold up a movie by herself (just watch I, Tonya for an example). And Harley has had plenty of solo books over the years.

Honestly, I would also love a Deathstroke movie, especially if its based on Christopher Priest's run.

Marvel having a unit for action scenes and one for the special effects is NOT a bad thing. You just have to take a look at black Panther to see what happens when their A-team is busy elsewhere.

And, btw, not only is the MCU pretty much the only action franchise which rarely bores me in terms of action scenes, have you ever noticed how well the CGI in the MCU ages? It is really impressive.

I'd be fine with a Harley trilogy provided that it's done well. As for why team films, well perhaps they want to use them as a way to bring in a lot of other DC female characters (also supposedly Margot Robbie herself became a fan of some of them while doing research to play Harley).

It is kind of funny that the films seem to have stumbled onto the same thing that the comics did, namely lots of fans love Harley and are pushing her in the films like the comics do to.

Harley needs other characters to play off anyway…she and poison Ivy tend to be hilarious.

" In Phase 3, the only movie that felt somewhat "studio safe" and less "creator driven" was Doctor Strange. E"

I will put Homecoming in more studio driven, puting a new suit for spiderman, more desing for vulture and adding tony stark(almost shoehoring for some) can be see as the "obligatory tony start

Also is very bold to said MCU is getting more author now, the only reason is because more of the big chararrer have being introduce already and MCU can be a little more experimental, let see how they will do by introducing capitan marvel, specially it seen to be more grey in tone that other MCU.

There's nothing particularly "studio-mandated" about giving Spider-Man and Vulture new designs, that's absurd. Tony Stark being in the movie is possible that was a studio mandate, but it could also very well be an idea of its director/screenwriter as he fits very naturally with the story the movie is telling. Watts himself hinted this by saying Stark "was always part of the film's story", but it's impossible to verify. Regardless, those are details. More importantly is the film's fairly distinct John Hughes-esque artistic approach which sets it apart from other MCU movies.

I can't understand a word of the rest of your post so I won't be able to help you there.

I was chatting with sadly-banned-user and personal friend of mine Ambar today and he mentioned having an idea about a DC movie framed as a high school slasher horror movie in Gotham University with Victor Szasz as the slasher villain and the Gothamite students being killed one by one until we're down to the Final Girl who'd have a climatic confrontation with him and then take him down. Said Final Girl being Barbara Gordon. You could even have a cameo of Scarecrow in the beginning in the form of "Professor Crane" giving his students a Chekhov's Lecture about fear and human response to it.

That's the kind of amazingly off-kilter idea I'd love to see in the DCEU.

Edited by Gaon on Jan 20th 2019 at 7:36:24 AM

What I said that MCY being more author drive is because is not a origin story or sequel, who more often than not very studio driven and very formulaic.

And considering Tony start involment is hard to see how much is because of the author and how much is way to draw more audience by having him in the film.

And a slasher horror flim in DC? maybe, I will hold well with the whole "being darker and edgier" theme the DCCU tried at first.

Tony's involvement in Homecoming actually ties in naturally when you factor in CW. There he developed a dynamic with Peter and we established that Peter looks up to him. So continuing that dynamic, and it is further continued in Infinity War as well, makes sense.

Kinda? Is one thing that on the other one cant stop feeling it just got a lot of screen time and becoming part os spiderman verse so sto speak with the new suit.

I would say that Marvel has a producer driven approach...which is why it fits so well with Disney, because that is Disney's MO. Walt Disney, John Lassiter, Kevin Feige, all are producers who know a thing or two about movie making and how to find talents and push them to greatness (well, in Lassiter's case, how to find male talents and push them to greatness…).

But that is not necessarily a BAD thing. There was a problem pre-Civil war, but since Disney has removed the influence of Perlmutter and Co so that Feige can do his work, it is pretty obvious that writers and directors got a lot of freedom to realize their ideas.

Now the DCEU...I actually think that Man of Steel was Snyder's vision. I am equally sure that after it, there were a ton of studio notes and demands. It is pretty obvious that Warner Bros went trend chasing. The Green Lantern was an attempt to do their version of Ironman, Batman vs Superman was their attempt to do the whole Phase 1 of the MCU in one movie, Suicide Squad was the attempt to do their own Got G, and Justice League tried to be The Avengers. (And yes, Wonder Woman has some parallels to The First Avenger and Aquaman is kind of Black Panther under water, but there just are some parallels in the usual Comic Book stories).

So they might now say (again) that they want a more director driven approach, and considering that Wonder Woman and Aquaman were their biggest successes they might even do it, but for one, they said that before and two, then it all depends on which directors they pick.

Since this appears to be the general DCEU thread, the first Birds of Prey teaser is out now even though it's still currently filming. It looks interesting.

Looks good. I see they're using some elements of Black Canary's solo when she was a singer.