General Sonic The Hedgehog thread

The thing with humans in Sonic is that many fans (especially of the classic period) are outright indifferent to them outside Eggman and even those that want various elements from the Adventure era back don't consider them as high a priority as say restoring the tone, larger cast of characters, and more likable characterization of Sonic.

As such they're an element that Sega probably could nothing with indefinitely and likely not cause that much of a fuss all things considered.

Still waiting for a Legion of Losers movie...

Are the Hard Boiled Heavies actually popular? Nobody really talks about them much, if at all.

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The main thing I don't like about the Deadly Six is just how bland and uninspired their designs are.

Mephiles is literally just a Shadow recolor, and he still manages to look more interesting than them.

I can get that. I did say that Eggman has always been the only one who really matters.

I do agree with the video that humans and animal people sharing the world made it interesting, the same way it did for Dragon Ball (which has also retconned their animal people out via Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot).

Not sure. But I haven't heard anyone complain about them like they do the D6, that much is for sure.

The Heavies could probably catch on if the franchise was willing to use them in the wider canon, but this Classic / Modern split is dumb.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Mar 31st 2020 at 10:35:04 AM

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I think the Heavies have gotten some strong praise overall for a various reasons. Gimmick Egg Robos is such an obvious next step for Robotnik's badniks that they made complete sense as secondary antagonists. Secondly, they were in essence the first classic style antagonists since Mecha Sonic, so that had a novelty. Finally, coming after the Deadly Six no doubt helped them look even better in regards to actually fitting the game series they were in.

Essentially I think the reaction to them is less "Oh they're really cool" and more "Well, that's more like it."

Still waiting for a Legion of Losers movie...

Sega attempted to course correct after '06, but completely missed the exact reason why '06 was infamous: It wasn't just because of Elise or humans or "Sonic's shitty friends", but also because of how unpolished everything was, with stuff not even working properly and the game being insanely buggy due to Sega rushing out the game and splitting half of the development team to work on Secret Rings.

Basically, Sega made several dumb decisions that cost them dearly, and Boom: Rise of Lyric proved that they learned nothing about why '06 turned out the way it did.

(Really, I think rushing games out has gotten even worse in general lately, not really just Sega, but that's a different topic altogether)

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You know what I think it is; the Hard Boiled Heavies really aren't going to be appealing to anyone who isn't already familiar with Sonic lore of Egg robos. A lot of kids and people will probably just see them as more generic Eggman robots.

The Deadly Six aren't popular by any stretch, but they're a lot more visually striking that immediately calls attention to otherworldly they look.

With Infinite; well people can speculate on his backstory and personality and run wild from there. Infinite falls more in line with Modern Sonic's style of character design and background.

That and the Heavies have not been featured at all in any post-Mania material (which to be fair, is just Adventures at this point)

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That's weird because from the reactions I seen on the side of the internet i'm on they're extremely beloved, to the point they're seen as better villains than most other villains of the franchise (and TBH I agree with that sentiment)

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I guarantee if any of the Heavies had the push Zavok had post lost world, they would be more accepted.

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I dunno if I'd call them better villains than most, what with their general lack of personality thus far. I like them, but they need more. More appearances, more development, and even given Sonic Team's anal separation of Classic and Modern I'd like to see them in a 3D game with cutscenes for personality and such.

So far they have kind of interesting designs (most of them are just recolored Eggrobos, tbf), but they're really just your average "elite and empowered but vaguely treacherous Eggman goon," which is a role Metal Sonic already fits better.

I will say they have some of the most interesting and creative boss fights of the Classic style, but that's Mania in general.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 31st 2020 at 12:44:23 PM

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...I kinda forgot the Heavies existed until now, so...

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I do hope Sega lifts this Classic and Modern are separate thing soon.

I suspect they're afraid of brining the Classic Characters in and kinda screwing it up, which is fair, because Sonic Boom shows they learned absolutely nothing from the debacle of Sonic 06. Until they learn to stop rushing games, and actually start caring about their characters enough to have them IN CHARACTER (You deserve better Shadow), then keeping Classic and Modern separate is probably for the best.

Also, found this video by the same dude from the previous more humans video on why Blaze is awesome:

This dude knows what he's talking about. I said earlier I felt that (as likeable as Silver has become) they didn't really need him or Elise (definitely Elise) as Blaze actually has all the traits to play both their roles (with less kidnapping of course). In fact, if not for Sonic Rush already giving her most of her development, I'd have said they should have cut out both of them (Silver and Elise) and used Blaze for the story instead.

Make her fire powers connected to Iblis, use the Sol Emeralds and Chaos Emeralds again, she's already a Princess, so we can make Soleanna (Sol Emeralds, SOLeanna) her kingdom, and of course.

None of that crying bullshit, but considering how tightly she keeps a lid on her emotions, you can use her desire to avoid getting close to people as a similar beat. Hell, you can even keep Sonic getting killed in front of her. She breaks down in that moment when she fails to save someone who's helped her so much in spite of her power.

It would mean losing Silver though, unless they just have him there anyway. But why not? he's still pretty close to Blaze despite the fact they shouldn't even know each other anymore.

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That's not exactly a fair comparison. While the western fanbase doesn't generally like Silver, by all accounts he's the 3rd most popular Sonic character in Japan after Sonic and Shadow. No one likes the Deadly Six.

I was under the impression Silver's bounced back from debuting in 06. I like him, and I've just written a post about how he didn't need to even exist.

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I wonder what he would've been like with his original design/name, Venice.

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Does that really mean a whole lot when Japan in general doesn't have as high of an opinion about Sonic?

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I don't know. The series doesn't make as much money there, but Sega has held official popularity polls and such there so it's not like they're ignoring the fanbase there. I've heard that Shadow's game was made because of Shadow being so popular in Japan, but I'm not sure how true that is.

Yea, that's what I mean. Shadow was universally popular and his western appeal likely influenced the decision to give him a game ahead of schedule.

By comparison, Silver never got that treatment despite being just under Sonic & Shadow in popularity in Japan and was more or less just demoted to being a supporting character.

Even nowadays, with the character exodus going on, Shadow is likely to get more attention than Silver would.

So it kind of leads me to believe that western influences these decisions just a bit more than Japan does. That said, I get the impression Japan doesn't care about the Deadly Six period. The bad reception to them is mostly rooted in Western countries.

I can definitely say though, Infinite is way more popular than either the Six or The hard boiled heavies despite being pretty divisive in his own right.

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I'm kind of glad they don't know what to do with Blaze since from the sounds of things they really mishandle most of these characters

Yea, though it's kind of Damned by Faint Praise; Blaze is only "not ruined" by virtue of not actually appearing all that often, which means she gets to keep her dignity.

If you guys are curious, that guy has made a lot of other videos too on the cast.

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I'm honestly baffled that such a long-standing franchise has this much trouble handling its characters.

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I mean, Comic Books have it arguably worse tbh.

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Yeah but at least they have their bright spots.

Sure Brian Micheal Bendis ruined Superman again not helped by his complete hogging of the character but the Superdad Era by Peter J. Tomasi, Patrick Gleason and Dan Jurgens was heaven even if it didn't last long.

While here it sounds like characters are fucked constantly with no end.

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