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I've only seen (most of)Delta myself but if Frontier got an official release I wouldn't be against it.
I suppose doing 7 would be riskier than Frontier, considering that it is longer and (I think) less popular.
(On the other hand I am not concerned with the English dubs of anything since English is not my native language).
Big West has begun its international streaming of all post-1987 Macross content by uploading Flashback 2012 to its official Youtube channel.
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PSA: it seems that video is on a time limit, so try to preserve it before they delete it.
That aside: holy crud, this truly is happening! 
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Apr 22nd 2021 at 5:30:00 AM
The Grey Sith
Will this have any impact on the Super Robot Wars chances at being released outside Asia?
Sanity is the Lie, there is only Madness.
Surrounded by weirdoes
You'd still have to jump through a fan game Mario-level series of hoops to get the rights to the several anime, aside from the music itself.
Maybe we could get more Original Generation stuff if they feel there is interest...
Wake me up at your own risk.
New information regarding the upcoming Delta film.
Been quite a while since I last watched any Macross. Going by this thread I watched SDF about 15 months ago.
I meant to start Macross 7 earlier, I watched the first couple of episodes back around Christmas, but it just didn't hook me into the story.
Turns out that was a mistake.
I've just finished 7 after restarting a week ago and I had a fantastic time. I've still got Encore, Dynamite and the movie to watch and I'm looking forward to that.
It's hard for me to say if I liked it or Frontier better since I watched that about a year and a half ago.
I watched them in about the same amount of time, but 7 was twice as long so I guess that says something....
Speaking of, I really found myself enjoying the length of the series. I like a show about 50 episodes long, gives enough time to get really attached to the characters. And the worldbuilding is always night, especially in Sci-Fi.
I really liked the characters a lot, but Gamlin was definitely the one who snuck up on me. I barely noticed him in the first 3-4 episodes, but once it became clear he's a total dork I really warmed up to him.
Basara and Mylene were great too. Although I think Ray could have used a bit more focus.
It's kind of funny, I was talking to someone recently about how I think its annoying when sequels bring over main characters, but I really enjoyed seeing Max and Milia again.
I really was a fan of having them broken up at the start of 7. Although I'll admit, I'm not sure if they ended up getting back together or just mellowing out. They didn't really address it fully or the issues they had in the show. I know Dynamite takes place a year later, so I guess that'll give a hint on that.
After I finish the last bits of 7 I really don't have too much left.
Just Zero & Delta. Although depending on how I'm feeling I might go back and watch the Plus and Frontier movies I skipped initially.
"But if that happened, Melia might actually be happy. We can't have that." - Handsome Rob
Gamlin is definitely a better guy than a lot of people give him credit for at first.
One thing I do find interesting about Seven is that, IIRC, all music in the show is diegetic. That is, all of the music is being played in-universe.
I always assumed ALL the lyrical songs in Macross shows are diegetic. 7's gimmick is that it's the pilots who are playing it.
That's usually true, but Seven is unique in that ALL its music is diegetic. Well, except the OP and ED.
And done with the extra stuff for 7.
I probably enjoyed the movie the most, but I also liked Dynamite a lot with the exception of the extremely out of place sexual assault scene.
I thought it was interesting how the Zentradi fleet in Strongest Women managed to knock around Basara a lot easier compared to the previous foes. I can only assume the brainwashing doesn't make for a total transfer of piloting skills.
Encore was pretty good too, I mentioned before I was interested in seeing what happens with Max and Milia. They didn't show up in Dynamite at all, so we don't learn what happens with them.
But Encore elaborates a bit more on why they broke up in the first place. It's nothing we couldn't already infer from their arguments, but according to Milia - Max neglected domestic matters and made all the decisions unilaterally. I'm not sure if that was all of the factors though, since it was Milia saying so to Mylene and other parts of the extra episodes lean strongly on her not being the most self reflective person.
It's probably correct in the broad strokes, since that reflects what we saw of them interacting as mayor & captain. I wonder if Milia becoming mayor was a symptom of their deteriorating relationship, or something that caused those issues to bubble to the surface?
Either way, while it seemed like they were getting a bit closer again in the end of 7, and Max seemed to want to get back together - they didn't actually work on the issues that broke them up. So I'm inclined to think it was purposefully left open to interpretation if they'll work on their issues and get back together or stay divorced. Similar to Mylene's romantic arc.
Also, given the events of the Movie & Fleet of the Strongest Women, I'm inclined to think at least one writer enjoyed having Zentradi being into Basara 
It was nice how Dynamite had more detailed backgrounds. Seeing the apartment building in more detail was a bit of a surprise.
This isn't my original thought, I saw someone else mention it in relation to the main series. But its interesting that Basara is an unusually opaque character for a protagonist.
It's especially noticeable in Dynamite, where in both the beginning and ending of the series, the audience isn't privy to his motivation. We can make some guesses, but he never spells out exactly why he's decided to leave this time.
The Zola were also neat. This is just a guess, but I wonder if they were remnants of a previous Zentradi fleet in ages past?
As an ending I felt 7 has quite a different tone compared to SDF. Generally I'm a fan of that kind of And the Adventure Continues style ending, and this was no exception.
Edited by 32ndfreeze on Aug 22nd 2021 at 1:44:26 AM
"But if that happened, Melia might actually be happy. We can't have that." - Handsome Rob
The Delta movie sequel and the Frontier short movie is coming by October 8.
And that's Macross Zero done!
I think its interesting how different the OVA's feel compared to the series. I suppose the format is likely the primary reason behind that though. But its nice to have OV As that aren't just more of the same between seasons.
Although while typing that I do think of the Macross series I've seen, the original series, 7 & Frontier each feel pretty different. But the pacing of the OV As certainly differs.
With the heavy focus on combat over music, and the much improved fight scenes, I do wonder if that was a purposeful design choice considering 7 was pretty lackluster for a lot of its fights.
I also felt like some of the content was cut near the end?
The transition with episode 4 > 5 felt very strange, like there were 3-4 scenes just left out. And there was that short almost clip show that tried to get everyone in position for the final episode. Plus Aries' story arc felt like it was missing 60-70% of the scenes it should have had in the last episode.
I thought episode 4 was very memorable, despite kind of being a lull before the end. All of the scenes with water in the forests are just gorgeous, and the Daisy Cutter might actually be the most viscerally horrific scene in any Macross series I've seen.
Overall I enjoyed it a lot.
I don't think I'd pick it as my favorite incarnation, but it was certainly enjoyable to watch.
"But if that happened, Melia might actually be happy. We can't have that." - Handsome Rob
Fathom Events announced they will be presenting the movie edition of Macross Plus, hailed by this very wiki as "the pinnacle of the Macross franchise and one of the finest sci-fi anime ever made" in US theaters for the first time on December 14th, 2021! (Subbed, no dubbed.)
Feel free to look at the poster.
You will find zero trace of Harmony Gold's name anywhere! 
If there was ever any opportunity to seriously show support for Macross and to tell HG it can go fly a kite, it's right here!
Get tickets here! (But you gotta wait until November 12th 2021...)
EDIT: Imagine seeing this trailer in fabulous HD! I already am! 
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 24th 2021 at 4:38:28 AM
Jupiterian Local
Is Macross Plus something you can watch without being familiar with the rest of the franchise, or if someone goes into this blind are they going to be hopelessly lost?
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Macross Plus takes places 30 years after Super Dimension Fortress Macross, but I think one of the perks of every Macross installment is that you can enjoy them on their own.
So the newcomers should be fine with Macross Plus being their gateway to the Macross franchise. Even more so when one recalls that Plus is said to be the GOAT (greatest of all time) among all the installments. (That said, there are some references to previous installments, but the story on its own is easy enough to follow.)
Even better, it's the directorial debut of one Shinichiro Watanabe, who would create Cowboy Bebop three years after directing Macross Plus: Movie Edition.
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 24th 2021 at 8:06:12 AM
Short answer: Yes.
Longer, slightly more involved answer: Plus is only the third or fourth thing created for the franchise (Original TV series, Do You Remember Love move and Flashback 2012 if you want to count it as well). The TV series and DYRL are different retellings of the same story, Flashback 2012 is essentially an animated concert tying into the move. So Plus requires very little prior knowledge and is very self-contained in terms of plot.
Knowing the basic outline of the original TV series is helpful for understanding Guld's story and providing context for some background material. But nothing that a decent summary won't provide.
And even all these years later the animation is still gorgeous. Plus, you know. Yoko Kanno music. A Sai En still gives me chills.
Fathom Events released a promo for their one-day screening of Macross Plus: Movie Edition!
(Featuring a special video message from Macross creator Shoji Kawamori!)
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Nov 13th 2021 at 10:05:29 AM
Bump.
Now here's something really, really, REALLY cool!
Effective November 21st, 2021, we can finally legally download the soundtracks for II, Plus, 7, Zero, Frontier, and Delta via (iTunes) and stream them via Apple Music, Spotify, Amazon Music and YouTube Music!
As a user of iTunes, I can verify that, at the very least, there's both of the soundtracks for Macross Plus right now.
Speaking of, it took me a while, but I finally netted some tickets to watch Macross Plus: Movie Edition at my nearest AMC theater!
Jupiterian Local
So I just got back from Macross Plus. That... sure was a movie, I guess?
Maybe it makes more sense as an OVA, but the movie version was borderline incoherent. I'm going to throw my comments in a folder because I'm just going to ramble, so it'll be long and spoilery (if anyone is worried about spoilers from the mid '90s).
There's also a ton of Male Gaze in the movie in general. Macross Plus really likes tits. Doesn't matter if they're Myung's or Lucy's or Sharon's. Meh.
The movie suffers from the fact that there's no one to really root for. Myung hasn't done anything wrong but also doesn't do much of anything at all, it's hard to take her side when she doesn't have any clear goal. Isamu is immature and doesn't seem to give a shit about anyone else — not his coworkers, not the women he sleeps around with, not Myung — which makes him a prick. Guld is overbearing and consistently the first one to escalate to violence even before the reveal that he caused everything by attacking Myung in the first place.
Actually let's talk about that. We see brief snippets of the flashback that clearly caused the rift between the three of them, but we don't get any real sense of what happened. And then all off a sudden, Guld goes "oh right, now I remember, I attacked them and tried to rape Myung" (I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that it was tried to, though the reveal itself is ambiguous). Like, what the actual fuck? "oh whoops guess I repressed that memory lol" is absolutely shit writing. Are you actually kidding me with this.
Other questionable writing choices: everyone apparently just forgot about the fire in the studio and the warning that proved it was premeditated arson and not an accident? To say nothing of the doors locking themselves and shit. Like at the very least this was clearly attempted murder, but as soon as the scene is over, no one cares about it anymore. No one asks "who would want to hurt Myung? Maybe they were actually trying to destroy Sharon? But why phone a warning in that case? How did they disable the security and the fire alarm?" It just gets dropped entirely. Hell, did Sharon even have the bio-neural chip at that point? Marge implies that he installed it just for the Earth concert, but if he'd done it on Eden before they even got the invitation to perform on Earth then that's never mentioned.
Sharon having full mind-control powers was weird. The concert scene early on implies that there's something like that going on (they reference "brainwashing levels" or some similar technobabble) but it's never brought up again and I assumed that it relied on some sort of equipment in the stadium, or the bracelets they prominently show people getting as they enter the venue. But then on Earth Shaorn can just... mind control people. Including security guards and military personnel. Hell, including Yang and Isamu in the YF-19. If she'd done it to Guld by hacking the YF-21 and then using his neural helmet to mess with his mind I could see it, but as-is it just comes out of nowhere.
The character writing largely fails to hit home. The only part that works at all is the rivalry between Isamu and Guld, and that just goes away entirely when Guld remembers out of nowhere that he attacked Isamu and tried to rape Myung. How does Isamu feel about that? He's fine with it (but we get no explanation why). How does Myung feel about it? The movie doesn't bother to tell us. Let me say that again for emphasis: the movie doesn't care how its female lead feels about being almost raped by her childhood friend. That is incredibly messed up.
Other relationships in the movie: it's clear that Guld loves Myung (in his own weird, overbearing, "oops I forgot I tried to rape you" way) but the only reason we know how Myung or Isamu feel about each other because Sharon straight-up tells us. Like they had to have one of the characters state for the record that Myung loves Guld but loves Isamu more, and Isamu loves Myung but loves flying more. Anyway then Guld dies, so Isamu can save Myung and end up with her by default, even though Myung knows that Isamu won't put her first because flying is his greatest love. Yay?
Anyway, I will say that the animation was largely outstanding with the two glaring exceptions of 1) the concern scene, which was enough flashing lights to give me a headache, and 2) some of the CG that now just looks painfully dated. The dogfighting stuff was excellent, as is expected of Macross. The music was good but I wouldn't call it Yoko Kanno's best work; it did it's job in the film but I wouldn't look up the soundtrack to listen to by itself.
Edited by NativeJovian on Dec 14th 2021 at 11:18:20 AM
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Sharon's hypnosis powers never made much sense to me either. She can do that just... because?
And yeah, the OVA version is a bit better, but I think the majority of your complaints still apply to it.
I'm surprised nobody brought this up yet. Big West has announced st Anime Expo that several Macross titles will be receiving official blu ray releases in the west with different distributors. Right Stuf will be in charge of releasing Macross 7, Delta, and Frontier. Macross Plus will be released by Anime Limited. That last series announced was Macross II, which is being done by Anim Eigo. Not much info was given besides that and some new merchandise being released.
The only question I'm asking: Does Harmony Gold make money off of this?
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Edited by Beatman1 on Apr 14th 2021 at 8:23:35 AM