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Is this just a fancy way of saying that his faith isn't genuine enough?

When you contrast some stuff that has been in his past and his stances. I do feel there is some cultural Catholic vibes from him.

Biden's a Catholic, just a progressive minded one. Saying Trump (a philandering sexual predator with no spine) and Biden are anywhere remotely comparable in terms of allegiance to Christianity says more what one thinks Christianity is than about them as of themselves.

Eh, with all the stuff going on in the ecclesiastic hierarchy as well as among the lay populace (i.e. Vigano's tantrums and the bishops who are backing him, the re-invigoration of the sex-abuse crisis and cover-ups regarding it, and the overall ideological split in the U.S. community), calling into question anyone's Catholicism (or adherence to the faith in general) just isn't something that sounds like a good idea. Also it's like, heck of a lot of people under one denomination, no amount of ultramontanism is going to stop any of that from going out of line.

On semi-related grounds, I'm aware that the U.S. has had a history of anti-Catholic sentiment since before the Revolution, at times stemming from fear of some sort of papal takeover or something like that. And also post-Reformation after-effects. But considering some of the pro-Trump administration officials and public figures, the guy who just got elected to the U.S presidency, and one of the most vocal left-wing/progressive voices in congress, I'd say that that sentiment fell completely flat on its face.

Well anyways, have a blessed time onwards to all of you here and may the Lord continue to have mercy on us all.

_{Because I foresee that we're going to need plenty of it in the near future.}

Edited by Ikiniks on Nov 9th 2020 at 2:06:37 PM

I'd argue that the presidents have pretty much never followed Christian values and principles for at least as long as I've been alive. Which, honestly, it makes sense since church and state are supposed to be separate.

Given Biden's own allegations some comparisons could be warranted.

Biden had an allegation that was contradicted by several other women he worked with during his career, with multiple conflicting stories behind it. Trump has had several, including a lawsuit we know was only dropped because the woman who filed it was threatened with death, and has openly bragged about sexually assaulting women. So yeah, you can compare them in the same way that you can compare corn on the cob to popcorn, but that doesn't make them remotely similar.

Sorry, but you can say that also about many others with allegations as well. I feel the media side with Biden and tried to shut Tara Reade down. There is also the allegations of molestation so no I won't let him off.

As far as I'm concerned, both major political parties can go jump in a lake. They both fall way short of the standard.

Difference is, one party at least pretends to care about the poor and downtrod and it isn't the one the majority of White Evegelicals in America are supporting.

Just because you claim to be for the downtroden, doesn't mean in policy or practice it's really for the poor or downtrodden especially if the downtrodden vote opposite of you. And the Democrats have shown time and again. For all the criticism of Conservative Evangelicals have blindspots with Republicans, I could say the same thing about Progressive Christians when it comes to the Democrats. Especially when the Democrats are just as much in the pockets of the elite and corrupt, who exploit the poor.

Edited by firewriter on Nov 10th 2020 at 6:50:08 AM

There's also the fact that one party is either embracing or enabling straight up fascism. For some people that's kind of important.

Uh...maybe this discussion is suited for a different thread...?

Honestly my objection was more along the lines of "Unless its extremely obvious, saying that someone doesn't really believe in their faith is a jerk move, but I feel like this took on a life of its own...

Edited by AzurePaladin on Nov 10th 2020 at 10:42:56 AM

Some put their trust in the Republican party or the Democrat party, I shall put my trust in the LORD alone.

Let's change topics! Like, what is your favorite story in the Bible?

Edited by bookworm6390 on Nov 10th 2020 at 10:13:49 AM

I can trust God and certain politicians alike. Anyone who means to tell me otherwise, we're gonna have a problem.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Nov 10th 2020 at 11:04:26 AM

My favorite stories in the Bible tend to be the strange ones, such as the one where a donkey spoke to a guy to get his attention or the one where the prophet sent a bear after a bunch of stupid kids for making fun of his baldness.

I've heard one interpretation that the talking donkey was a joke(a donkey has more sense than Balaam) and the second incident was a gang of teens being a threat.

You know for all of people depicting the Old Testament God as being so-called harsh. He actually might show more care about the poor in the Old Testament. In the book Of Amos we have a cry for justice with the elites exploiting the lower class.

I'm reminded that whenever "children" are brought up in the texts, we need to be careful of whether or not it means offspring-and-descendant-in-general, adopted/chosen inheritor(s), or actual pre-adolescent humans. I don't recall if the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts make those distinctions, but context helps in a lot of cases.

A video in regards to that.

Edited by Ikiniks on Nov 12th 2020 at 5:41:08 AM

I am going to disagree. It's not because I am hell and brimefire kind of Christian, but I feel like we are disconnecting the New Testament from the Old Testament roots.

I'm not seeing how the video enforces that rather than making a case against it, but I get that.

But in a matter related to this, I want to know what some of you think regarding this... notion I see sometimes that goes something/somewhat like this:

_{... Thrice you are absolutely right about my anger and the dissatisfaction it causes me, It's the kind of self-righteous wrath that leads to bad things, and I am trying better to work through it. That said...}

I don't think I'm exaggerating when I make this paraphrase with the level of... self-assurance that it implies. I see/hear this kind of thing especially when (the much more unusual) Old Testament things are brought up. And it comes from views that range from "internal criticism of fellow Christians from someone who's actually read both Testaments" to "formerly from and reacting against Abrahamic ideas but still asserts non-gnostic monotheism of some kind".

So again, I want to know what some of you think about this, because I'm just finding this odd. I'll post my view on this separately later so as to try to not create more bias in any potential replies.

_{And also so I can do my best/do better to try not to such a polemicist about it.}

I also bring the importance of the Old Testament because of the fact I do think there is some ties with the anti-Semitism by rejecting the other half.

My anxiety has a bad habit lately of latching onto my faith as something to needle me about.

"You don't really think this shit, do you?", basically.

And it's stupid, because I know it's just my idiot anxiety brain finding something that will get a reaction out of me and screeching it on loop like the dumbass parrot it is. But it's annoying.

Still struggling to get a handle on my anxiety. A prayer or an encouraging word would be sincerely appreciated.

As I'm also handling with anxiety, prayed for you.

Edited by alnair20aug93 on Nov 20th 2020 at 1:00:59 AM