Example Sectionectomy?: One True Threesome

One True Pairing doesn't list examples, and this is a pretty straight variant of One True Pairing, so...should we drop the example list here?

One True Pairing doesn't need examples because the examples would be every shipping ever. It's not about a specific form of shipping, but about a certain fan reaction that often comes with it.

OT3 is inherently more specific, first of all, because only a certain type of works have any room for a threesome, and even then, not every fandom is shipping them at all.

I disagree. Most fiction has at least three characters. Therefore, it is open to this trope. There is no point in listing examples.

Yeah, but are they three characters who... wait, I'm venturing into shipping territory while using normal logic. Forget I said anything. Still, I don't know if we should cut the examples, it seems a lot more specific than OTP and less likely to get filled with complete garbage.

Limit the examples to those where there is not only fandom shipping, but the author indicates that a threesome is possible, or when it's canon. There are a surprising number of them hidden in the examples.

edited 23rd Jan '11 10:36:47 AM by Madrugada

I agree we should salvage those instances, but shouldn't they be in their own objective Ménage à trois trope instead of a subjective shipping trope like this?

Edit: Please tell me we do have this one. Search turns up a work happened to be named this, but that's all.

edited 23rd Jan '11 10:45:31 AM by TripleElation

You know, what we could do instead of removing all the examples from both of these tropes is just have examples that are specific fanfics, or fan arts. We have a whole lot of fanfiction written up on the site. Perhaps the problem with these tropes is that they try to look at fandom as a whole rather than fandom in specific.

Not really, this trope also require that there is either a canonical love triangle, or at least a sipping fandom for all of the combinations, and the OT3 is supposed to end these shipping wars.

OT3 can't happen, for example if:

• There is really one dominant pairing, and all others are niches, so the fandom doesn't need a compromise. (most works with only a superficial romantic plot)
• There are more than 3 options, so a threesome wouldn't solve anything. (like most harem anime)

I don't like this whole "LOL, sipping is crazy!" attitude. Shipping has its own patterns, that are worthy of noting, even if subjectively.

I agree, maybe there are enough examples for another objective trope, but this page is still legit on its own right as a fandom trope.

Maybe if enough of those objectives are subtextual, that new trope could be Three Yay, since that snowclone family was recently repurposed for "Kinky in-univers subtext".

edited 23rd Jan '11 10:49:30 AM by EternalSeptember

Triang Relations is the trope you're looking for.

You know, what we could do instead of removing all the examples from both of these tropes is just have examples that are specific fanfics, or fan arts. We have a whole lot of fanfiction written up on the site. Perhaps the problem with these tropes is that they try to look at fandom as a whole rather than fandom in specific.

The problem is with the reading habits of fanfic fans.

I think it's perfectly reasonable that I just search a fanfic database for Harry/Ginny/Hermione fics, notice that there is a lot of them, quickly browse through some of their text, conclude that the Harry Potter fandom likes this sipping, and frequently uses x and y objective tropes in them, so next time when I edit TV Tropes, I note under a new bullet point that "The Harry Potter fandom" as if it would be a homogenous work, uses that trope. At no point do I think about the title, or author of the various 1000 word fanfics I actually read.

No, I don't actually do that, I just say that I can imagine how for these fandoms, this behavior appears to be consistent with the treatment of "other works".

edited 23rd Jan '11 10:58:04 AM by EternalSeptember

Triang Relations is a supertrope, no? There are plenty of triangular situations that don't actually involve a threesome. I mean, a Betty and Veronica situation also fits under Triang Relations. That clearly can't be the exact trope we're looking for here.

edited 23rd Jan '11 11:14:19 AM by TripleElation

It is a supertrope, but all the different permutations are listed on that page unless they have their own page which currently only Betty and Veronica do. Type 8 under Triang Relations is exactly what the wiki has for this trope.

edited 23rd Jan '11 11:17:30 AM by shimaspawn

Anyways, even if we have a page for threesomes, I'm pretty sure that we don't have one for canon threesome subtext, and that sounds tropable, so I'm going to YKTTW it.

We don't even have a separate trope for canon threesome text... text. This is what surprised me.

edited 23rd Jan '11 11:23:40 AM by TripleElation

Well, we have Twin Threesome Fantasy...

Oh, there it is: Three-Way Sex

edited 23rd Jan '11 11:34:35 AM by EternalSeptember

But that's more of a subtrope.

I know the Negima example on the page about Yue and Nodoka wouldn't be there except for a joke about it that occurred about midway through the series, so there should definitely be examples of intentional examples of this.

ES, Three-Way Sex is about the act of having a threesome, not an ongoing three-way relationship.

I'd rather go with Canon / Subtext example than with no example at all, let me take few samples....

1. In Star Driver, Takuto/Wako/Sugata almost seems canon, at least if the ED has anything to say about it.

2. To Love Ru has Haruna/Rito/Lala, and chapter 162 shows that Lala not only doesn't mind but she actually wants this to happen.

Two examples took from anime & manga section, both of them are heavily featured in fandom as well as hinted in the story, neither made it fully Canon. So, adding 'heavily implied' examples is my suggestion.

Don't sue me

edited 3rd Feb '11 4:48:45 PM by Jomlos

[1] This page right here is the Negima example Her diary reads anyones mind so she read her own to see her true feelings on resolving the Love Triangle....

PLAN 1! Saishodoukin (means Relations with wife and mistress at the same time)

edited 4th Feb '11 12:31:52 AM by Raso

Bump. Also, what are the names of the tropes September is YKTTW-ing?

It's Three Yay, though I sort of forgot about it, and now I have other tropes to sort out, I will probably launch it a few weeks from now.

Bump. Are there still any unresolved issues?

Well, Three Yay still hasn't been launched.

It only gathered 4 examples in the YKTTW, after repeated bumps. I could technically launch it with that much, but I doubt that it would go anywhere after that.