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korax1214 Since: Jul, 2009
#1: Jan 13th 2011 at 4:16:49 PM

To my mind, this trope reflects the fact that "acronym" is often misused as a false synonym for any type of initialism. Remember that acronyms (new words formed from the initials of a phrase), as far as is known, only go back as far as World War One, and the word "acronym" itself only to World War Two; most examples on the page are actually acrostics (a phrase constructed such that its initials form an already-existing word, or the word thus formed), which are far, far older than acronyms (one example, erroneously called an "acronym" until I corrected it, was the "icthys" phrase, which goes back to the first Christians). I suspect that, if the title is fine, the examples should be cut back to actual acronyms, which means deleting an estimated 95% of examples at least.

Secondly, why do we need the dumb neologism "backronym", either on the page or as a redirect? As pointed out above, the correct term is "acrostic"; acrostics are not acronyms.

Thirdly, since initialisms are forbidden as examples (rightly so; they're even less acronyms than are acrostics), why is there a "Fun With Initialisms" redirect?

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#2: Jan 13th 2011 at 4:31:04 PM

Because they weren't forbidden. Last time this came up we decided they were close enough to the same thing to make no difference. It looks like some wiki vigilante decided to take things into their own hands and 'clean up' the page despite consensus. The previous statement at the bottom of the page was that we knew what initialisms were but that we didn't see the point in making a separate page for them.

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#4: Jan 13th 2011 at 4:52:30 PM

Because probably 90% of the people who read the wiki either don't know the technical difference between an acronym and an initialism, or know it but don't really care.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#5: Jan 13th 2011 at 4:59:47 PM

Yeah, this is one of those ones that's someone strange crusade. We need to change the paragraph back to what it was and see if we can get the erroneously deleted examples back.

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korax1214 Since: Jul, 2009
#6: Jan 13th 2011 at 9:42:24 PM

As I already said, acrostics are not acronyms; dictionary.com has got this one wrong. An acrostic is the opposite of an acronym; the latter is a new word formed from a phrase, the former is a phrase formed from an old word.

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#7: Jan 13th 2011 at 9:45:07 PM

It's the popular usage of the word. Therefore, it's right.

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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#8: Jan 13th 2011 at 9:48:35 PM

Yeah, restricting "acronym" to initialisms pronounced as words (e.g. radar, laser, scuba, NATO) is an uphill battle. I just only use it that way myself.

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EmilyG Hollywood Pudgy from Montreal Since: Aug, 2009
#9: Jan 14th 2011 at 4:36:56 PM

Maybe split the examples into acrostics and acronyms proper?

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#10: Jan 14th 2011 at 4:38:45 PM

The problem with that is, 90% of tropers can't tell the difference. It's just a pedantic division to them.

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#11: Jan 14th 2011 at 11:05:46 PM

Invisicomment added. Good, or needs improvement?

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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#12: Jan 15th 2011 at 4:27:04 PM

I like it. The description doesn't read like somebody arguing with himself about what "counts", anymore. I especially like the line "Technically it's only an acronym if you pronounce it as one word, and if you spell out the letters, it's an initialism. In practice, most people just use "acronym" for them all." Totally.

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