Tom Clancy

Son, actually. And he is the one who thinks that about himself, gets called out for it, and manages to finagle his way into an ops team anyway. I assume you're referring to Jack, Jr. in Teeth of the Tiger, etc.?

edited 16th Jul '14 8:14:42 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Seems a bit OOC for the Jack Ryan we saw in Patriot Games to go "yeah, cool, son, go off and risk your life on black ops."

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Jack Sr. doesn't know about his son's involvement in the wetwork end of the operation, at least at first. He very explicitly does not want Jack Jr. doing that stuff.

edited 17th Jul '14 9:48:10 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Berkley Books Executive Editor Tom Colgan on Mark Greaney, Tom Clancy's co-writer and the writer of the Ryanverse continuation novels. There is now another continuation novel out, it seems.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot

If Greaney is "a dedicated researcher" as mentioned in that interview, then I hate to see what a non-dedicated researcher is. The howler regarding the OH-58D I mentioned a few thread pages back wasn't the only technical error, just the one that stuck out the most.

edited 20th Dec '14 9:43:26 AM by Nohbody

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There's another continuation nover, Under Fire, coming soon. Not by Greaney this time, but by Grant Blackwood. Excerpt here.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot

Planning on getting into the Ryanverse. Anyone know the chronological order of the books?

Chronologically, the series runs: Patriot Games, Red Rabbit, The Hunt for Red October, Cardinal of the Kremlin, Clear and Present Danger, The Sum of All Fears, Debt of Honor, Executive Orders, The Bear and the Dragon.

There is no harm in reading them in publication order, though; there are no advance plot spoilers until you get through The Sum of all Fears. Also, Red Rabbit is, in my mind, completely skippable.

edited 29th Nov '15 7:52:34 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Thanks

Hmm, it occurs to me that I forgot two novels in the series that don't focus on Ryan, but rather on one of the secondary characters, John Clark (nee Kelly).

If you want to put those in too, Without Remorse is set before Patriot Games, and Rainbow Six is set between The Sum of all Fears and Debt of Honor, if I recall correctly.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Also note that there are others beyond Bear, but a) publishing and chronological order more or less coincide, and b) they don't have as much of a fandom as books prior to that point (myself included in "not a fan"). The Jack Ryan page has the details on what comes after Bear.

edited 29th Nov '15 2:13:51 PM by Nohbody

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Rainbow Six is between Executive Orders and Bear and the Dragon, timeline wise. Ryan was already POTUS when Rainbow was organized.

edited 29th Nov '15 2:22:09 PM by 3of4

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Ah, right. Thanks. It is agnostic towards what's going on in Ryan's world, though, so can be read without major spoilers.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Huh. Per an article written almost a year ago Amazon apparently has a Jack Ryan series in the works.

First I've heard of it, though admittedly after the uninspiring performance Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit I haven't exactly been obsessing over the franchise.

The still images in that article (haven't watched the video in the first part of the article) don't exactly inspire much confidence, though, suggesting more of a focus on action in spite of the article talking about going elsewhere as well. Of course, the Shadow Recruit trailer also made Ryan's role more action-y than it was in the full film, too.

edited 31st Jul '17 5:15:00 AM by Nohbody

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With the exception of The Hunt for Red October and Patriot Games, the Jack Ryan screen adaptations have uniformly been pretty bad.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

I liked Clear and Present Danger too. The movies after Harrison Ford's two movies as Jack Ryan weren't nearly as good, though, no.

I felt that CaPD rather missed the intended message of the book, but my biggest peeve was how the film adaptation turned Clark from a loyal operative into an embittered jerk.

edited 31st Jul '17 9:30:09 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Clear and Present Danger had some pretty great sequences, though. The ambush of the government SUVs. Ryan and Ritter having a "delete" duel. Ryan knocking on a drug kingpin's door and handing the doorman his CIA business card. "I don't have an appointment."

I can live with discrepancies from the book with all that coolness present.

edited 31st Jul '17 10:13:33 AM by Bense

I am now going to read all of Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan series and then the subsequent follow ups with Jack Ryan Junior.

I've read some of them before.

But now I will read them all.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.

Finally got into the Ryanverse. As I promised, I started in chronological order. Now, I intend to discuss each book I read so far but I'll start with this: Did anyone else agree with Fighteer's claim that Red Rabbit was mediocre?

Edited by HallowHawk on Dec 29th 2018 at 12:35:09 AM

I certainly did.

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Read it too? Might I please know why? Just curious.

It's not a bad novel but it's not one of his more memorable ones. It's mostly boiled down to the fact some Clancyverse books have strong characters and some are ridiculously fun plots treated with DEAD SERIOUSNESS.

This one just seemed weak on both fronts.

Patriot Games, Clear and Present Danger, Sum of all Fears, The hunt for the Red October, Without Remorse, Rainbow Six, and only a handful of others are the ones I consider to be really really good (or just fun).

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.

I've said it before, but I'll reiterate. Executive Orders, despite being written during Clancy's preachier later years, has one of the best, if not the best, suspense scenes ever put to paper. I'll never be able to hear the word "sandstorm" again without getting a little adrenaline thrill.

I mean, these novels are supposed to be thrillers, right? That's how they are billed. Red Rabbit thrilled me about as much as reading the back of a cereal box.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Having gone through Clear and Present Danger and its film version, and I noticed something, Clark in the latter doesn't do anything ruthless. I mean, in the climax of the former, he handed over Ernesto Escobedo to angry Medellin underlings after Clark framed Escobedo for the plan to take over the entire Medellin Cartel that was Felix Cortez's.

Getting away from that, started on The Sum of All Fears. Will devote an hour to reading as much of it as I can every day of the year.

Edited by HallowHawk on Jan 1st 2019 at 10:15:00 PM