Chelsea Manning faced her day in court and served time. It is downright insulting to her to compare her to Assange.
Frankly, it boggles the mind that you're so willing to defend Assange despite everything. Are you letting your bias against the USA government cloud your judgement here? You know Assange isn't a good or trustworthy man. Why defend him?
Edited by M84 on Sep 22nd 2018 at 11:59:11 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedExcept none of that’s true, the US has never tried to have Assange extradited, the current inhabitant of the White House got their with Assange’s help, oh and even if the US did ask Sweden wouldn’t extradite him because that’s not how Sweden works.
The country most likly to extradite someone to the US despite it violating their own laws and EU law? The UK, a country Assange has never so much as suggested might extradite him to the US and which he fought to stay in over Sweden.
Ever suggestion of Assange getting extradited from Sweden requires Sweden (a neutral, non-NATO country with a string human rights record and repspect for the EU) to be a greater US stooge than the UK (who has the ‘special relationsnip’, is part of NATO, has been party to US human rights violations in the past and likes to getting in pissing matches with the EU).
That’s simply a total load of crap.
Edited by Silasw on Sep 22nd 2018 at 7:59:37 PM
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ CyranAll that, and a bottle of single malt.
Update on Assange. He's been charged in America:
Prosecutors inadvertently disclosed the existence of a sealed indictment in a court filing in an unrelated case, Wiki Leaks said Thursday.
The exact nature of the charges against Assange was not immediately known.
"SCOOP: US Department of Justice 'accidentally' reveals existence of sealed charges (or a draft for them) against Wiki Leaks' publisher Julian Assange in apparent cut-and-paste error in an unrelated case also at the Eastern District of Virginia," Wikileaks wrote on Twitter.
The still-unsealed charges against Assange were revealed by Assistant US Attorney Kellen Dwyer as he made a filing in the unrelated case and urged a judge to keep that filing sealed.
Dwyer wrote: "Due to the sophistication of the defendant and the publicity surrounding the case, no other procedure is likely to keep confidential the fact that Assange has been charged," according to The Washington Post.
The charges would "need to remain sealed until Assange is arrested," Dwyer wrote.
Federal prosecutors have been investigating Assange over Wiki Leaks' 2010 publication of a trove of US diplomatic cables that proved an acute embarrassment to Washington.
But the charging of Assange in the US could have implications for special counsel Robert Mueller's probe into whether Donald Trump's election campaign team colluded with Russia to influence the 2016 presidential vote, and whether Trump tried to obstruct the probe into that.
In July, Mueller charged 12 Russian spies with conspiring to hack Democratic National Committee computers, stealing data from the organization and publishing those files in an effort to sway the election.
One of the indictments referred to Wiki Leaks, described as "Organization 1," as the platform the Russians used to release the stolen emails.
- 'Made in error' -
US media were alerted late Thursday to the inadvertent disclosure, thanks to a tweet from Seamus Hughes, deputy director of the Program on Extremism at George Washington University. He is known to follow court filings closely.
"The court filing was made in error," said Joshua Stueve, a spokesman for the US Attorney's Office in the Eastern District of Virginia, US media reported. "That was not the intended name for this filing."
The 47-year-old Assange has been holed up at Ecuador's embassy in London since 2012, where he took refuge over fears of being extradited to the US over the 2010 Wiki Leaks cable dump.
He was originally wanted in London after a British judge ruled he should be extradited to face allegations of sexual assault in Sweden.
The Swedish case has since been dropped, but Britain still wants him to face justice over breaching his bail conditions following his arrest on the sexual assault allegations.
Barry J. Pollack, one of Assange’s attorneys, said, "The only thing more irresponsible than charging a person for publishing truthful information would be to put in a public filing information that clearly was not intended for the public and without any notice to Mr. Assange," the Post said.
Pollack said he did not know if Assange has been charged.
I am torn now wondering whether he's being charged as a Russian asset or just for his journalism work that Trump wants to treat as treason.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.If the latter, part of me wants to roll on the floor giggling.
Talk about consequences of one's own actions!
I don't think that's a particularly comforting thought because the stuff which was released should have been public.
And the concept of Wikileaks is a good one.
It's just been co-opted by bad people.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Those are the actions I'm talking about, though. Julian allowed a hell of a lot of morally dodgy stuff to go down to stroke that ego of his.
I'm not anti-whistleblowing to uncover unethical dealings. I'm anti-"blowing a hole through the wall and letting the mafia in because you found dirty dealings".
And the whole "it's not actual transparency if you take steps to avoid doxxing people" thing.
"Yup. That tasted purple."New updates:
Judge Leonie Brinkema of the federal court in Alexandria, Virginia said that the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, which petitioned for the unsealing order, had not proven the Assange case existed — despite it having been referenced in court documents from another case.
Assange, who has stayed under diplomatic protection in the Ecuadoran embassy in London since August 2012, says the United States plans to indict him over Wiki Leaks' publishing classified materials.
Assange says Washington wants him arrested and extradited if he steps foot outside the embassy.
He hopes that, by unsealing the charges, he may be able to protect himself from arrest in Britain.
US Justice Department authorities have refused for more than two years to acknowledge that they have investigated and prepared charges against the anti-secrecy advocate.
But in November, a document in a separate case that was inadvertently unsealed made two references to an "Assange" case.
Assange said the document demonstrated that he does face charges and demanded they be revealed; the Reporters Committee then filed a motion to have them unsealed.
But Brinkema said the existence of the case was not "sufficiently certain," so the government could not be asked to reveal documents it might have, noting that investigations often must remain secret until they are completed and a suspect can be arrested.
"To hold otherwise would mean that any member of the public or press — by demanding access to judicial records based on little more than speculation — could effectively force the government to admit or deny that charges had been filed."
The New York Times reported in November that it confirmed charges had indeed been drawn up against Assange, who maintains his publishing activities are protected like those of journalists.
It remains unclear what the charges specifically allege.
Assange originally fell afoul of US authorities after Wiki Leaks published classified Pentagon and State Department documents in 2010.
During the 2016 US presidential race, the website created a huge stir when it published emails and documents from the campaign of Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton that US officials say were hacked by Russian intelligence and transferred to Assange.
Last week, Assange asked the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights to order President Donald Trump's administration to unseal charges against him.
Edited by Ominae on Jan 30th 2019 at 5:40:48 AM
"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"Well out of the embassy and into a British jail.
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ CyranOne year in jail isn't gonna make much difference after eight years in the embassy.
Sweden may now reopen the rape investigation, as such once he’s done with his sentence for hopping bail he’ll be sent to Sweden to face charges there, what’s the likely sentence if he’s found guilty in Sweden?
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ CyranNone. They didn't close the case due to not being able to prosecute, they closed it because it legally expired.
How did it expire? They filled charges well before the statue of limitations could have run out.
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ CyranFrom what I understood, the victim herself withdrew it.
Partly because she was being harassed online, but also because it looked as though the case was going to go nowhere. What with him pulling the embassy card.
Mind you, a lengthy drawn out trial about not using a condom with international attention (which is absolutely sexual assault) is going to be humiliating as well. I can perfectly understand the victim not wanting to go through it.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Apr 11th 2019 at 6:18:18 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Isn't it the sexual assault allegations that ran into the time limitations, and the rape allegation was shelved by the prosecutor because there was no way to proceed with Assange holed up? Of course, that doesn't mean it can't be reopened.
Avatar SourceYes.
This is all about Assange's actions as a journalist.
(and yes, some heavy asterisks behind that)
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Apr 11th 2019 at 10:07:21 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.I wonder if he just went epically stir crazy or is just that stupid.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.I saw the Trevor Noah piece on YT.
A lot of comments mention that the show is a stooge of Trump. LOL.
"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"Why this time? Because that happens every time he does anything else than shower people's idols with unending praise.
Though I'm kinda disappointed he somehow forgot to mention the sexual assault part of Assange's backstory.
Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Apr 12th 2019 at 3:50:30 PM
Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.
The USA certainly wanted to happen and made no secret of it. Given what happened to Chelsea Manning, an actual hero, it's Properly Paranoid in my opinion.
And yes, I'm not happy to be defending the guy but there was legitimate reason to fear torture and imprisonment at that time.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 22nd 2018 at 8:10:13 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.