Super Smash Bros.

I feel like Shovel Knight is probably in as a nod to Nintendo's increased focus on Indies. He's definitely the most recognizable indie character around more by virtue of his excessive cameos and guest appearances at this point.

Wouldn't surprise me if he did better than any other Indie character on the Smash Ballot.

It was him or Shantae. She might have edged him out based on seniority and, well, thirst but we may never know for sure.

Funnily enough, I would guess Commander Video would be playable before Shantae anyway.

I personally think Hollow Knight would be the best indie rep. You couldn't ask for a better moveset, since most of it already directional-based. And given the game's notable success on the Switch, it's not the most outlandish option, despite it's recentness.

Edited by Eschaton on Aug 12th 2018 at 10:59:20 AM

Because my heart has been reinvigorated, I'm going to make a moveset for Isaac/Echo Fighter Felix, and I'm going to go as far in-depth as I can.

Both Isaac and Felix wield the Sol Blade and have almost the exact same moveset. Isaac is faster, but Felix is heavier and hits a little harder.

All of Isaac's B moves can be charged. Neutral B is Ragnarok/Odyssey. For Ragnarok, Isaac swings his sword down and a giant energy sword appears above him and stabs down diagonally in front of him. Odyssey stabs the enemy with two smaller crossing swords, trapping them before a giant sword stabs you horizontally, exploding the smaller swords.

Side B is Gaia/Mother Gaia/Grand Gaia. Isaac holds his hand out and a hole appears in the ground a set distance in front of him. Orange energy and rocks blast out of his hole for a bit. The center of the hole is the same distance from Isaac regardless of charge. Gaia is a big hole in front of him that reaches a bit into the air. Mother Gaia is a huge hole that reaches higher. Grand Gaia is a gigantic hole that has a huge height and the edge of Grand Gaia reaches Isaac's body.

Up B is Spire/Clay Spire/Stone Spire. Isaac holds his hand out and stalactites appear above the opponent, falling down on them. If Isaac uses this move in the air, Isaac jumps on the stalactites before they fall to recover. Spire creates 1. Clay Spire creates 3. Stone Spire creates 5.

Down B is Quake/Earthquake/Quake Sphere. The ground below Isaac and on either side of him rises up into the air in blocks. The rising blocks go up in waves, starting from the center and moving outward. The blocks of earth do damage to the enemy when they rise and they bounce them on top. Quake is just 3 blocks across, Isaac on the middle one, and they rise up one time. Earthquake is 5 blocks and they rise twice. Quake Sphere is 7 blocks across and they bounce three times.

Isaac's Tilts are all field Psynergy. None of them do any damage. Up Tilt is Catch. A hand grabs an opponent out of the air diagonally and pulls them closer to Isaac. It sets up for sword combos.

Side Tilt is Move, which is like his Assist Trophy in Brawl, but the hand is only the same height as Isaac himself is and it doesn't travel as far. More like Palutena's Reflect move than his Assist Trophy, actually.

Down Tilt is Tremor. The ground shakes around Isaac, and nearby enemies trip.

Isaac's Smash Attacks are Djinn, and Felix's Smash attacks are different Djinn that function similarly. Side Smash is Flint/Echo. Isaac uses Flint for a forward sword strike. Felix differs in that he uses Echo, which has a weaker first hit but follows up with a second hit that sends the opponent upwards.

Down Smash is Vine/Mud. Isaac uses Vine, which has wriggling vines grow out of the ground on either side of Isaac. Enemies caught in these vines take damage and their movements are slowed temporarily. Felix uses Mud, which shoots globs of mud out on either side of him. Enemies still take damage and are slowed down.

Up Smash is Sap/Steel. Isaac uses Sap, which has him slash upwards. If he hits an enemy, yellow orbs of health come out and are absorbed into Isaac, healing him for a percentage of the damage Sap dealt. Felix uses Steel, which is the same except it's a stab and the orbs are orange.

Isaac's Grab is Carry. Two hands grab the opponent on either side, holding them in place.

Dodge is Sand. Isaac's body dissolves into sand and he becomes a moving lump of sand on the ground before the reforms at the end of his dodge.

Dash attack is a jumping slash, the exact same animation as his standard attack.

Isaac's aerials and jab combo are just standard sword swings.

Final Smash is Megiddo. Isaac's Sol Blade lets out a howl, and he jumps high into the air with his sword glowing. He comes up next to a miniature sun and smashes it with his sword, sending it flying into the stage with a massive explosion.

Hm... I dunno about a playable character, really, but the Colosseum of Fools, Queen's Gardens, and White Palace would make for AWESOME stages. So I'd be down with that level of representation. x3

Edited by SilentPartner on Aug 12th 2018 at 11:13:11 AM

All the potential stage hazards in that last one would be just evil.

The only thing I disagree with is the Final Smash; it should be Judgment. Golden Sun's ridiculous summons need some love too, and Judgment's 4 Earth djinn requirement makes it a natural choice for Isaac/Felix.

Hmm... this is even less likely than the Knight, but what about Hornet being playable? If I recall right there's an upcoming expansion that'll make her playable, so that could be an interesting way of promoting it... it probably won't happen, but it'd be pretty cool hahaha :3

Hornet is perfect Assist Trophy material, at least for now. It could be a while before that expansion comes out and adds to her moveset.

People talking about Golden Sun so much and even makin' movesets makes me wish I had ever played any of those games for longer'n five minutes.

How about this: Megiddo is Isaac's standard Final Smash, but if he uses all three of his Smash attacks while glowing, the Final Smash changes to Judgement.

Is it too much of a stretch to have hopes for Doomguy to make it?

Both of the new games made it to Switch, just like Bayonetta made it to Wii U shortly before she was revealed, her inclusion and the Belmont's means belonging to a "mature" franchise is no longer an excuse, and Doom already has some impact in videogame history by being the Trope Codifier of FPS games

Well, as long they only have him use laser guns and rockets, then it's fine.

The question though...is what could be the name used for him in the game? Doom Marine? The Marine? The Doom Slayer? Or Doomguy?

Possibly? The big question is what kind of reason would Nintendo would have to add him in.

Deep down I'm hoping for it too, but I wouldn't bet on it. Since Dracula's Castle has been touted by Sakurai as the "darkest" stage in Smash, I'm pretty sure that rules out Hell, or even Mars crawling with demons, for obvious reasons.

I have similar high hopes and low expectation for Solaire to make it in. If that happened, it would make that "leak" about a Bandai-Namco rep pretty funny, since a lot of people are assuming it would be Lloyd from Tales of Symphonia.

Edited by Eschaton on Aug 13th 2018 at 1:47:41 AM

Snake made it to Brawl because, Metal Gear's massive popularity aside, Kojima begged Sakurai to add him to the roster. At this point anything's possible

And what makes you think that someone working on Smash suddenly wants Doomguy in the game? Let's not get to what ifs like this.

I'm not against his inclusion, but if anyone tell me why he should be in the game then I'm all for it. I rather be convince by his character 1st. Like how strong is his history with Nintendo? Please don't use Cloud as a argument

Doom had a pretty good SNES port and even got an exclusive game under Doom 64.

Was Pikachu's wizard hat in Brawl or Smash 4?

He and Jiggs were the 1st with costumes...tech.

The first game was also on GBA, the 2016 game was eventually ported to the Switch, and Doom Eternal is set to be released on the Switch (along with all other platforms) right off the bat. If familiarity with Nintendo is a factor to a character getting in (albeit not a hard rule), Doom Guy already has a bit of an advantage.

Edited by Chris on Aug 13th 2018 at 2:35:46 AM

Forgot to mention this in my Isaac moveset, but his respawn platform would come with the Revive animation.

What makes me think that we won't get Skull Kid as a fighter, echo or not, is because Ganondorf didn't get a new victory music.

I just want Majora's Incarnation or Wrath so we can have Ganondorf vs Majora