Game of Thrones [Potential Book Spoilers]

This isn't necessarily bad writing as it's not like Blatant Lies and Hypocrisy aren't themes in the show. The discovery that a city founded by slave for the end of slavery is secretly dabbling in it and keeping it from the public actually fits with Martin.

Edit:

As my wife would say, "Because penis."

Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 19th 2019 at 8:30:02 AM

IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK!

Seriously, that happening just makes me feel like D&D wrote themselves into a corner and thought "Wait, who's gonna be king? Uh, uh, uh, uh *throws dart* there!

I predict Sansa will find Wesxit to be completely impossible. Theresa May x2.

Either way I think the North has earned its independence. They've sacrificed the most out of any region in the Seven Kingdoms.

The North lost its last three or four generations fighting for the South (and received jack shit for it), have been treated at arm's length for a few decades/centuries like they're some sort of redheaded stepchild and have markedly different religion and culture from the South. They earned their independence. It's all I'll say.

But not Essos.

Well, they received:

• Stannis Army to stop the Wildlings
• The Wildlings to stop Ramsay
• The help of the Riverlands gainst Joffrey
• The help of the Vale
• The help of Daenerys army
• The help of Robert and Jon Aryn and the Tullys against Aerys

Honestly, fuck the North and their Ungrateful Bastard status.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 19th 2019 at 8:54:24 AM

Essos isn't part of the Seven Kingdoms though.

It was part of Daenerys Five Kingdoms, though, Plus Slaver's Bay and the Dothraki.

They did not sacrifice anything, they just fought the south and themselves. There was more dothraki dead to save the world than there was northmen.

Basically, I'm not sure what Sansa thinks the North benefits from independence here.

After they were already at the gates. Good on Stannis, but one Southern aid does not a history change.

Wildlings aren't Southerners and Jon and Sansa were willing to let them stay in the North. They decided to go back home by themselves.

A) The Riverlands supported the North seccesionist movement and wanted to split off alongside them. B) The North helped the Riverlands more than the other way around.

The Vale also supported the Northern seccessionist movement.

To fight a common enemy of all life in Westeros. Fighting the undead isn't helping the North, it's basic common sense.

Yes, Aerys, a Southern King. Which of course led to the wonderful court of Robert Baratheon, which had not a single Northern Lord among its ranks.

Lyanna (as far as everyone knows), Rickard and Brandon? Killed by a Southern madman supported by other Southern madmen. Ned Stark? killed by a Southern madmen supported by other Southern madmen. Robb Stark? Killed by a Southern madmen and some Northern madmen supported by a Southern madmen.

Wonder if a pattern comes to mind.

Edited by Gaon on May 19th 2019 at 9:01:51 AM

And fighting the White Walkers is hardly a point in Dany's favor because its her fault they were able to get south of the Wall. Had Robert succeeded in killing her they never would have been able to get through.

And when Robert did make Ned his Hand of the King, it ended with Ned's head on a pike courtesy of Joffrey.

I'm just seeing the North's hatred of the South and Southerners as xenophobia and isolationist. Qualities I'm not really inclined to revere in a kingdom of white people.

Funny, I don't recall Abraham Lincoln ever putting Jefferson Davis' head on a pike.

@theLibrarian: Ever since it was leaked online a year ago people have been theorizing Bran may have caused all of this, thus his absence for most of the last two seasons despite his powers.

@doineedaname: No it was Jons fault who kept insisting they need to fight the dead that he did a reckless assault to catch a living undead as proof to cease fighting.

Which allowed Cersei all the time for the Plot to kill her third son and the Night King to make her second undead. The wall would have continued lasting for thousands of years but he insisted it must be done.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on May 19th 2019 at 9:09:20 AM

There's some logic the Neo-Confederates wouldn't exist if he had.

BURN THEM ALL.

Jon should have lied and say that Dany flew away with dragon to exile out of guilt to parts unknown. That’s what I’ve would have done.

I did rather like Davos' promotion to Master of Ships. From onion smuggler to the guy ostensibly meant to deal with smugglers, among other naval matters.

He's the best choice, too. He'd know all the smuggler tricks.

Bronn being Master of Coin is a bit off, but he'd probably do a better job than Littlefinger at least — in the show, Littlefinger was implied to be running a ponzi scheme of sorts with Westeros' economy.

I believe Littlefinger was deliberately beggering the realm to make himself more indispensable.

Which, by itself, summarizes his character perfectly.

...

Our watch ends, and John's new watch begins.

And everyone everywhere gets a happy ending.

Phew. I'm done. Let me know when the books are finished.

<Leaves Thread>

....

<Comes back>

I still would have voted for the Night King. His kill everybody policy just seems more effective to me.

I think we're meant to at least consider as a possibility that we've been experiencing a Tommy Westphall situation. Bran is the in-universe historian and storyteller, and in the case of the books it's quite likely that he's our unseen jumping narrator as well. (If we do have a singular narrator in the books, that narrator has very Three-Eyed Raven like properties).

I can totally imagine Martin giving his story the same kind of ending as Lord of the Rings (in which Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam each play a role writing the history of the events we've just seen) but giving it the added spin that maybe the hobbit authors were embellishing the story a bit in places, or else maybe they should've.

No one wants to read Old Nan's stupid version.

Well, this was the worst fanfiction I've ever had the displeasure of seeing.

No gravitas to Dany's death scene. No catharsis, no nothing. Unsatisfying, anticlimatic.

Bran is the new King, because why the fuck not? I mean it's not like you were setting up Jon as the reluctant king for two fucking seasons already.

Yup, everybody gets a job now. Bronn is the Whatever of the Coin or some shit, yeah, ok, sure. And Podrick is in the Kingsguard because fuck off, mah subverted expectations n shiet.

And of course, nobody's arc gets resolved in the FINAL episode because well, who gives a shit about finales! Arya and Jon fuck off to god knows where, the North retains independence because reasons, the Unsullied just shrug and go back to their land, who the fuck knows what happens to the Dothraki, and of course, any other recurring character gets a pat on the shoulder and promptly forgotten about.

I'm not even mad. Like I seriously can't be mad. It takes talent to make such a tone-deaf finale for a series that started being the best kind of TV out there.

Can't wait until the books come out!