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MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#27626: Jan 18th 2019 at 3:09:32 AM

Why would anyone use anything?

DatLonerGirl Get heckin crabbed from a top secret place Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Get heckin crabbed
#27627: Jan 18th 2019 at 3:12:55 AM

UM.

Well that was something. [up][up] Can both be an option? For all Paz knows, she is waiting for a chance to get Kat alone and eat her brain.

Edited by DatLonerGirl on Jan 18th 2019 at 5:13:40 AM

Writer, or something. And... a button? 🖲️
SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#27628: Jan 18th 2019 at 3:20:34 AM

^^Umm, that isn't really a response. My point was "Whenever is it good idea to use that since majority of people seem to react badly to it? Like, threatening people with violence in real life is seen as horrible behavior, so why would it be different in fiction land?"

^Well yeah, reacting with both is always an option [lol]

Edited by SpookyMask on Jan 18th 2019 at 1:21:17 PM

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#27629: Jan 18th 2019 at 5:44:35 AM

So now the majority hates it?

My question was why would anyone use anything. And the answer is simple, it fancies the writer.

Maybe they fall in the side of the fence that doesn't object to the trope.

More likely, Tom likes the duality and doesn't mind shades of grey.

MetaFour Since: Jan, 2001
#27630: Jan 18th 2019 at 6:05:06 AM

Tom's no stranger to creating ambiguous scenarios (whether morally ambiguous or ones where the actual events are unclear) and letting the fans debate them for years. So it's very likely that he intended for this page to elicit a mix of "Aww, that's sweet" and "Paz you crazy!"

Millership from Kazakhstan Since: Jan, 2014
#27631: Jan 18th 2019 at 6:35:06 AM

I get the feeling that Paz's reaction is because of something the other Annie did.

"Kat tries very hard for you." "She worries a lot about this." The implication is that that's been happening for a long time. Why use this exact phrasing on a person who appeared literally yesterday?

Spiral out, keep going.
Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Hi
#27632: Jan 18th 2019 at 7:09:45 AM

[up] Agreed, there's a lot of implied backstory here involving Court!Annie and it doesn't sound entirely pleasant.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#27633: Jan 18th 2019 at 7:40:56 AM

@Mr Seyker: Fiiine, vocal minority then ye nitpicker :p Its kinda hard to qualify whether its exactly half or not

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#27634: Jan 18th 2019 at 9:26:25 AM

I just get annoyed whenever that threat is used on someone who could very well end the threatener with little trouble. And in videogames you're often the one being threatened, and because videogames, you often can't do anything about it. Even if you could kill the local pantheon with little trouble.

Millership from Kazakhstan Since: Jan, 2014
#27635: Jan 18th 2019 at 9:40:27 AM

Most of the times when I've encountered this trope in fiction the threat is not taken and given seriously and at face value. Usually the giver and the receiver are Vitriolic Best Buds of some sort and the receiver most of the times even complies with the threat, something like:

A: I'll shoot you in the nuts if you'll break her heart.
B: In that case, I'll hand you my gun.
The context of Paz's implied threat is a bit different though, and she's clearly dead serious about it, she's not just being cute. Which, again, makes me wonder what the hell has been happening in the last six months.

Edited by Millership on Jan 18th 2019 at 11:42:52 PM

Spiral out, keep going.
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#27636: Jan 18th 2019 at 9:42:17 AM

I suspect nothing in particular happened to Paz. She's just being protective of what could be a walking abomination from the forest impersonating an acquaintance in order to harm and deceive her girlfriend.

But she could also be that acquaintance so it's a super dick thing to say, so I maintain my 'shut up Paz' position.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#27637: Jan 18th 2019 at 9:56:30 AM

^^Now that I think about it more, worst reactions to this trope tend to be when the receiver doesn't reply to it(same in Inquisition as here)

DatLonerGirl Get heckin crabbed from a top secret place Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Get heckin crabbed
#27638: Jan 18th 2019 at 10:29:17 AM

TIL that this trope is also called a shovel talk.

Writer, or something. And... a button? 🖲️
LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#27640: Jan 21st 2019 at 3:25:21 AM

Well, another reason the "If you hurt them, I'll kill you" trope tends to fall flat is, a lot of the time the person who's supposedly being defended wouldn't WANT it or would be annoyed about the fuss being made.

So it comes across as being more about stroking your own ego and feeling badass than it is about respecting the wishes of your loved one.

I mean, if someone who said they loved ME went around threatening violence, I'd be super unimpressed because I have Very Firm Opinions on revenge and vigilante violence, and if you respected me you'd respect that.

Be not afraid...
Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#27641: Jan 21st 2019 at 1:26:16 PM

Yeah, honestly it has to involve a very specific subset of characters (in the realm of the one making the threat, the one being threatened and the one the threat is being made over) to really land.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Pachylad (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27642: Jan 23rd 2019 at 2:00:57 AM

2100

andrew

andrew

Edited by Pachylad on Jan 23rd 2019 at 6:01:10 PM

Adannor Since: May, 2010
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#27644: Jan 23rd 2019 at 2:31:17 AM

No, Andrew. Don't.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#27645: Jan 23rd 2019 at 3:34:41 AM

Is it cheating if the other woman is your clone?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#27646: Jan 23rd 2019 at 3:44:10 AM

You mean "does it count as cheating if the other person is your partner's clone?" (It totally does btw if you are aware which one is the original)

The way you said it, it sounds like you're implying Parley would be cheating on Andrew with her own clone.

It's a somewhat muddled issue, but one has to remember that the moment the split happens they become two completely different people.

Edited by M84 on Jan 23rd 2019 at 7:45:52 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Adannor Since: May, 2010
#27647: Jan 23rd 2019 at 3:53:13 AM

Circumstantial. It is of course probable to be tricked by a clone, but that is excusable circumstance. But we have a different consideration here.

In which I'll say it still can be cheating. Cheating is the breaking of trust and promise of monogamy - in this case, monogamy would apply specifically to the original, to the physical entity that is contiguous from the moment the promise was made. It chiefly hinges on whether the cloned party would disapprove of the dalliance. For example as we see Annies being super-jealous at each other, if she had a romantic relationship going, that would explode.

On the other hand, the newly created copy will also be feeling like they are part of the relationship, and that'll create problems too. Of course, "which one is the clone" is its own question, but presuming that the non-cloned party exercises reasonable judgement in that they'll still hold their moral ground. Everything is easier if both agree to this clone-polygamy setup, but if they both insist on keeping nonclone to themselves personally, the noncloned party will have to make a choice and stick with it.

Millership from Kazakhstan Since: Jan, 2014
#27648: Jan 23rd 2019 at 4:56:28 AM

Surma, Moro, Parley... Rey sure loves his women dangerous.

Edited by Millership on Jan 23rd 2019 at 6:57:07 PM

Spiral out, keep going.
ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#27649: Jan 23rd 2019 at 5:36:07 AM

Parley is hueg and i am here for it

"Never let the truth get in the way of a good story." Twitter
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#27650: Jan 23rd 2019 at 5:55:48 AM

Yeah, I don't like how Reynardine is apparently interested in the idea too. What is it with him falling for women who are already in relationships with other people?

Disgusted, but not surprised

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