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added similarities to Angel (tv series) under expy. Could go in main, but wasn\'t sure.
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* {{Expy}} A BadassLongcoat who is ReallySevenHundredYearsOld that investigates the paranormal with a FiveManBand, which is a more adult {{Spinoff}} of a previous show? [[{{Angel}}Wait, what show are we talking about?]] Just check the main images for [[{{Angel}} both]] [[{{Torchwood}} pages]].
** RussellTDavies WAS pretty heavily inspired by JossWhedon.
** RussellTDavies WAS pretty heavily inspired by JossWhedon.
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Moved from the Character shhet.
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* AlasPoorVillain: Suzie. It's hard not to feel sorry for her, when she breaks down in her second appearance, tearfully telling Jack over the phone that she simply doesn't want to die, and admits that Gwen is a better team member than she ever was.
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* JerkassWoobie: Owen spends the first half of season one being pure Jerkass, with the woobie elements coming in later.
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* JerkassWoobie: JerkassWoobie:
** Owen spends the first half of season one being pure Jerkass, with the woobie elements coming inlater.later.
** Jack.
* MagnificentBastard: Jack.
** Owen spends the first half of season one being pure Jerkass, with the woobie elements coming in
** Jack.
* MagnificentBastard: Jack.
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It\'s an ensemble show, it does not take up the entire plot.
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* TheWesley: Gwen, to some. The writers clearly love her, but can't find much for her to do aside from [[RomanticPlotTumour flirt with Jack, sleep with Owen, and have an ongoing relationship with Rhys the entire time.]]
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* TheWesley: Gwen, to some. The writers clearly love her, but can't find much for her to do aside from [[RomanticPlotTumour flirt with Jack, sleep with Owen, and have an ongoing relationship with Rhys the entire time.]]
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* TheWesley: Gwen, to some. The writers clearly love her, but can't find much for her to do aside from flirt with Jack, sleep with Owen, and have an ongoing relationship with Rhys the entire time.
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* TheWesley: Gwen, to some. The writers clearly love her, but can't find much for her to do aside from [[RomanticPlotTumour flirt with Jack, sleep with Owen, and have an ongoing relationship with Rhys the entire time.]]
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* StrangledByTheRedString: Owen going banans over Diane after knowing her for all of a week. The overly romantic light that Jack and his relationship with the real Jack Harkness was painted in might count too, as they only know each other for a couple of hours
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* TheWesley: Gwen, to some.
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* TheWesley: Gwen, to some. The writers clearly love her, but can't find much for her to do aside from flirt with Jack, sleep with Owen, and have an ongoing relationship with Rhys the entire time.
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* RuinedFOREVER: ''Children of Earth'' and "Exit Wounds" elicited cries of RuinedForever from some Toshiko and Owen fans.
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* RuinedFOREVER: RuinedFOREVER:
** ''Children ofEarth'' and Earth''.
** "Exit Wounds" elicited cries of RuinedForever from some Toshiko and Owen fans.
** ''Children of
** "Exit Wounds" elicited cries of RuinedForever from some Toshiko and Owen fans.
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* RuinedFOREVER: "Children of Earth" (see seperate page); and "Exit Wounds" elicited cries of RuinedForever from some Toshiko and Owen fans.
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* RuinedFOREVER: "Children ''Children of Earth" (see seperate page); Earth'' and "Exit Wounds" elicited cries of RuinedForever from some Toshiko and Owen fans.
* UnfortunateImplications: Owen uses a cologne that gets people [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean interested]] in him in the first episode. A high-tech date rape drug, in other words. FridgeHorror for some... And immediate horror for others. Has to be chalked up to [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness first episode weirdness]] to have Owen be anything other than a villain.
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* TheWoobie: The 'space whale' from Meat. Also the main alien from spin-off novel [[NothingIsScarier 'Into The Silence']]. The latter also counts as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, and the way in which it finds refuge is oddly {{heart|warming moments}}[[TearJerker warming]].
* UnfortunateImplications: Owen uses a cologne that gets people [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean interested]] in him in the first episode. A high-tech date rape drug, in other words. FridgeHorror for some... And immediate horror for others. Has to be chalked up to [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness first episode weirdness]] to have Owen be anything other than a villain.
* UnfortunateImplications: Owen uses a cologne that gets people [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean interested]] in him in the first episode. A high-tech date rape drug, in other words. FridgeHorror for some... And immediate horror for others. Has to be chalked up to [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness first episode weirdness]] to have Owen be anything other than a villain.
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* TheWoobie: TheWoobie:
** The 'space whale' from Meat. Also the main alien from spin-off novel [[NothingIsScarier 'Into The Silence']]. The latter also counts as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, and the way in which it finds refuge is oddly {{heart|warming moments}}[[TearJerker warming]].
* UnfortunateImplications: Owen uses a cologne that gets people [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean interested]] in him in ** Practically all the first episode. A high-tech date rape drug, in other words. FridgeHorror for some... And immediate horror for others. Has to be chalked up to [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness first episode weirdness]] to have Owen be anything other than a villain.cast do this at some point.
** The 'space whale' from Meat. Also the main alien from spin-off novel [[NothingIsScarier 'Into The Silence']]. The latter also counts as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, and the way in which it finds refuge is oddly {{heart|warming moments}}[[TearJerker warming]].
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Yes. mutations - individual is immune to spray. evolution - mutant pread their mutations to the rest of the population. If the spray is your only weapin agains them, that will be bad.
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* YouFailBiologyForever: In the 11th episode Combat, Jack remarks the Weevils are becoming immune to the Weevil spray and a -- highly reasonable -- question is raised by Toshiko whether they might be mutating. Cue Ianto's ominous "or evolving". Yes, because random mutations are fine and dandy, it's that [[HollywoodEvolution evolution]] thing you need to worry about.
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Since when in a show like this is he portrayed as \"in the right\"? Also, the Strangled By The Red String example doesn\'t really say what\'s the object of that. Didn\'t Jack and Ianto start getting involved halfway through series 1?
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* JerkassStu: Jack gets away with a lot of things
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* StrangledByTheRedString: just compare how Jack and Gwen look at each other in the first and second seasons
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* JerkassStu: Jack gets away with a lot of things
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* StrangledByTheRedString: just compare how Jack and Gwen look at each other in the first and second seasons
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What specifically? Also, Narm belongs in Darth Wiki. Moving Fan Disservice to main, as it\'s (probably) intentional, Ianto\'s brother is at any rate, and it\'s no longer YMMV.
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* {{Anvilicious}}: TheNothingAfterDeath.
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* YouFailBiologyForever: In the 11th episode Combat, Jack remarks the Weevils are becoming immune to the Weevil spray and a -- highly reasonable -- question is raised by Toshiko whether they might be mutating. Cue Ianto's ominous "or evolving". Yes, because random mutations are fine and dandy, it's that [[HollywoodEvolution evolution]] thing you need to worry about.
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* FanDisservice: Rhys' bum, and the bum of Ianto's sister's husband. Basically any male bum in the series that doesn't belong to Captain Jack Harkness.
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* {{Narm}}: ''Torchwood'''s special effects budget is... less than adequate. Things end up looking very silly whenever a scene calls for an actor actually touching the CGI monster.
** Much of [[LargeHam John Barrowman's]] scenery-chewing falls into this.
-->''"What have they done to you, my poor friend?"
** Much of [[LargeHam John Barrowman's]] scenery-chewing falls into this.
-->''"What have they done to you, my poor friend?"
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* YouFailBiologyForever: In the 11th episode Combat, Jack remarks the Weevils are becoming immune to the Weevil spray and a -- highly reasonable -- question is raised by Toshiko whether they might be mutating. Cue Ianto's ominous "or evolving". Yes, because random mutations are fine and dandy, it's that [[HollywoodEvolution evolution]] thing you need to worry about.
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* IdiotPlot: Adrift. Jack coud have ended the episode well before half time by [[spoiler: telling Gwen that the people taken by the rift were actually taken care of]]. For some reason, he decided to bully her instead.
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Love It Or Hate It is now In-Universe only.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: Season Three - gritty, realistic and mature depiction of a CrapsackWorld with biting social satire, or gratitiously dark, nedlessly depressing abuse of TrueArtIsAngsty, full of CharacterDerailment and [[StrawmanPolitical]]s.
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NO. Fridge Logic goes in Fridge, {{Headscratchers}] is for general questions that aren\'t complaining.
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** Much of [[LargeHam John Barrowman's]] scenery-chewing falls into this.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: Season Three - gritty, realistic and mature depiction of a CrapsackWorld with biting social satire, or gratitiously dark, nedlessly depressing abuse of TrueArtIsAngsty, full of CharacterDerailment and [[StrawmanPolitical]]s.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Owen uses a cologne that gets people [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean interested]] in him in the first episode. [[FridgeHorror Wait a minute, isn't that a date rape drug?]]
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* UnfortunateImplications: Owen uses a cologne that gets people [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean interested]] in him in the first episode. [[FridgeHorror Wait a minute, isn't that a A high-tech date rape drug?]]drug, in other words. FridgeHorror for some... And immediate horror for others. Has to be chalked up to [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness first episode weirdness]] to have Owen be anything other than a villain.
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What have any of those got to do with the trope Darkness Induced Audience Apathy? Also, removing Character Derailment, as, among other reasons (not limited to this isn\'t the 1970s), UNIT isn\'t a \"character\".
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* CharacterDerailment: U.N.I.T, gratuitously and pointlessly, are now massive human rights abusers.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Russel T. Davies is, shall we say, [[DysfunctionJunction heavily]] [[AnyoneCanDie inspired]] [[TooHappyToLive by]] JossWhedon's Buffyverse (indeed, the original pitch for the show was a series starring Gwen as a CaptainErsatz of Buffy [[RecycledInSpace in England]]), [[DiabolusExMachina and it shows]].
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* UnfortunateImplications: Owen uses a cologne that gets people [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean interested]] in him in the first episode. [[FridgeHorror Wait a minute, is that a date rape drug?]]
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* YouFailBiologyForever: In the 11th episode Combat, Jack remarks the Weevils are becoming immune to the Weevil spray and a -- highly reasonable -- question is raised by Toshiko whether they might be mutating. Cue Ianto's ominous "or evolving". Yes, because random mutations are fine and dandy, it's that [[HollywoodEvolution evolution]] thing you need to worry about.
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* YouFailBiologyForever: In the 11th episode Combat, Jack remarks the Weevils are becoming immune to the Weevil spray and a -- highly reasonable -- question is raised by Toshiko whether they might be mutating. Cue Ianto's ominous "or evolving". Yes, because random mutations are fine and dandy, it's that [[HollywoodEvolution evolution]] thing you need to worry about.about.
* UnfortunateImplications: Owen uses a cologne that gets people [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean interested]] in him in the first episode. [[FridgeHorror Wait a minute, is that a date rape drug?]]
* UnfortunateImplications: Owen uses a cologne that gets people [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean interested]] in him in the first episode. [[FridgeHorror Wait a minute, is that a date rape drug?]]
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Russel T. Davies is, shall we say, [[DysfunctionJunction heavily]] [[AnyoneCanDie inspired]] [[TooHappyToLive by]] JossWhedon's Buffyverse (indeed, the original pitch for the show was a series starring Gwen as a CaptainErsatz of Buffy [[RecycledInSpace in England]], [[DiabolusExMachina and it shows]].
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Russel T. Davies is, shall we say, [[DysfunctionJunction heavily]] [[AnyoneCanDie inspired]] [[TooHappyToLive by]] JossWhedon's Buffyverse (indeed, the original pitch for the show was a series starring Gwen as a CaptainErsatz of Buffy [[RecycledInSpace in England]], England]]), [[DiabolusExMachina and it shows]].
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Russel T. Davies is, shall we say, [[DysfunctionJunction heavily]] [[AnyoneCanDie inspired]] [[TooHappyToLive by]] JossWhedon's Buffyverse (indeed, the original pitch for the show was a series starring Gwen as a CaptainErsatz of Buffy [[RecycledInSpace in England]], [[DiabolusExMachina and it shows.shows]].
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Russel T. Davies is, shall we say, [[[DysfunctionJunction [[DysfunctionJunction heavily]] [[AnyoneCanDie inspired]] [[TooHappyToLive by]] JossWhedon's Buffyverse (indeed, the original pitch for the show was a series starring Gwen as a CaptainErsatz of Buffy [[RecycledInSpace in England]], and it shows.
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* MotiveDecay: So they're trying to restore British supremacy...or prepare humanity for aliens...or hide the existence of aliens...or build a cool alien tech collection. Somewhat justified by the fact that the government can't tell Torchwood what to do, and all the people who ''can'' order them around were killed before the show started, leaving them to pretty much do whatever they feel like. Like have sex.
** [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] in a second-series episode, when the team goes to save a stranded alien.
---> Owen: "Tell me how exactly we're going to use it to arm ourselves against the future?"
--->"We could hide behind it."
** Subverted in Series 3, as when Aliens finally do come to Earth, and Torchwood finally has a chance to carry out its job, the government sees fit to try and destroy them. [[spoiler: And succeeds, for the most part.]]
** According to [[WordOfGod Russell T Davies in publicity for series 4]], this trope has now been completed, [[spoiler: due to the fact there are only Jack and Gwen left and in hiding, their HQ is gone, and now the Rift in time and space, their primary reason for being based in Cardiff, has been fixed and closed thanks to [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E13TheBigBang a certain Time Lord who also happened to be closing cracks in the fabric of reality and restarting the Universe...]]]] This is probably why the 4th series will have a more international setting.
** [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] in a second-series episode, when the team goes to save a stranded alien.
---> Owen: "Tell me how exactly we're going to use it to arm ourselves against the future?"
--->"We could hide behind it."
** Subverted in Series 3, as when Aliens finally do come to Earth, and Torchwood finally has a chance to carry out its job, the government sees fit to try and destroy them. [[spoiler: And succeeds, for the most part.]]
** According to [[WordOfGod Russell T Davies in publicity for series 4]], this trope has now been completed, [[spoiler: due to the fact there are only Jack and Gwen left and in hiding, their HQ is gone, and now the Rift in time and space, their primary reason for being based in Cardiff, has been fixed and closed thanks to [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E13TheBigBang a certain Time Lord who also happened to be closing cracks in the fabric of reality and restarting the Universe...]]]] This is probably why the 4th series will have a more international setting.
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Natter. Also, no examples please for the actual trope Your Mileage May Vary.
* BrokenBase: The fandom ran into a few problems with this over Gwen in the first two seasons, but never seemed as bad as some bases. What really dug a divide between previously calm fans were the events of [[spoiler: ''Children of Earth'''s Day Four and Day Five]]. Be careful about any criticisms OR compliments you have about [[spoiler:Ianto's death or how it was handled]].
* CharacterDerailment: U.N.I.T, gratuitously and pointlessly, are now massive human rights abusers.
* CharacterDerailment: U.N.I.T, gratuitously and pointlessly, are now massive human rights abusers.
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** Well, to most it's a legend it seems but it seems most of them believe it. After all, when Gwen told her father what she did he didn't believe her but when he asked Jack who he was and got the reply "Torchwood" he instantly believe Gwen. So, Torchwood is Cardiff's biggest, most believed urban legend.
** First episode, they interrupt the police at a murder scene by announcing they are Torchwood. Gwen's nosy ass has no idea who they are, but everyone else on site seems to accept that Torchwood has the authority to come in and handle dead bodies for two minutes, then presumably leave. Not very secret, not very urban legendy.
** First episode, they interrupt the police at a murder scene by announcing they are Torchwood. Gwen's nosy ass has no idea who they are, but everyone else on site seems to accept that Torchwood has the authority to come in and handle dead bodies for two minutes, then presumably leave. Not very secret, not very urban legendy.
* JerkassWoobie: Owen spends the first half of season one being pure Jerkass, with the woobie elements coming in later.
* RunningTheAsylum: Here's a challenge -- find a review that ''doesn't'' compare this show to {{fanfiction}}.
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* YouFailBiologyForever: In the 11th episode Combat, Jack remarks the Weevils are becoming immune to the Weevil spray and a -- highly reasonable -- question is raised by Toshiko whether they might be mutating. Cue Ianto's ominous "or evolving". Yes, because random mutations are fine and dandy, it's that [[HollywoodEvolution evolution]] thing you need to worry about.
* YourMileageMayVary: Opinions on the miniseries are... [[{{Understatement}} mixed]]. A common deciding factor seems to be whether they were dedicated fans of ''Torchwood'' before it -- some established fans complaining that the show has been ruined to the point that a new season would be unthinkable. Others feel that it was the best Torchwood story so far and the series has finally settled into its proper form, so that it should be followed by another miniseries. Another possible divide is between the fanfic-side of fandom and the non-fanfic side of fandom.
** Another common dividing point is fans who agree that the show [[GrowingTheBeard grew the beard]], but [[NarmCharm didn't want it to]].
** Of course, there is heavily divided opinion on the show itself, with many thinking it was a failed attempt at Darker and Edgier, and Hotter and Sexier Doctor Who.
* YourMileageMayVary: Opinions on the miniseries are... [[{{Understatement}} mixed]]. A common deciding factor seems to be whether they were dedicated fans of ''Torchwood'' before it -- some established fans complaining that the show has been ruined to the point that a new season would be unthinkable. Others feel that it was the best Torchwood story so far and the series has finally settled into its proper form, so that it should be followed by another miniseries. Another possible divide is between the fanfic-side of fandom and the non-fanfic side of fandom.
** Another common dividing point is fans who agree that the show [[GrowingTheBeard grew the beard]], but [[NarmCharm didn't want it to]].
** Of course, there is heavily divided opinion on the show itself, with many thinking it was a failed attempt at Darker and Edgier, and Hotter and Sexier Doctor Who.
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* TheWoobie: The 'space whale' from Meat. Also the main alien from spin-off novel [[NothingIsScarier 'Into The Silence']]. The latter also counts as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, and the way in which it finds refuge is oddly {{heart|warming moments}}[[TearJerker warming]].
* YouFailBiologyForever: In the 11th episode Combat, Jack remarks the Weevils are becoming immune to the Weevil spray and a -- highly reasonable -- question is raised by Toshiko whether they might be mutating. Cue Ianto's ominous "or evolving". Yes, because random mutations are fine and dandy, it's that [[HollywoodEvolution evolution]] thing you need to worryabout.
* YourMileageMayVary: Opinions on the miniseries are... [[{{Understatement}} mixed]]. A common deciding factor seems to be whether they were dedicated fans of ''Torchwood'' before it -- some established fans complaining that the show has been ruined to the point that a new season would be unthinkable. Others feel that it was the best Torchwood story so far and the series has finally settled into its proper form, so that it should be followed by another miniseries. Another possible divide is between the fanfic-side of fandom and the non-fanfic side of fandom.
** Another common dividing point is fans who agree that the show [[GrowingTheBeard grew the beard]], but [[NarmCharm didn't want it to]].
** Of course, there is heavily divided opinion on the show itself, with many thinking it was a failed attempt at Darker and Edgier, and Hotter and Sexier Doctor Who.about.
* YouFailBiologyForever: In the 11th episode Combat, Jack remarks the Weevils are becoming immune to the Weevil spray and a -- highly reasonable -- question is raised by Toshiko whether they might be mutating. Cue Ianto's ominous "or evolving". Yes, because random mutations are fine and dandy, it's that [[HollywoodEvolution evolution]] thing you need to worry
* YourMileageMayVary: Opinions on the miniseries are... [[{{Understatement}} mixed]]. A common deciding factor seems to be whether they were dedicated fans of ''Torchwood'' before it -- some established fans complaining that the show has been ruined to the point that a new season would be unthinkable. Others feel that it was the best Torchwood story so far and the series has finally settled into its proper form, so that it should be followed by another miniseries. Another possible divide is between the fanfic-side of fandom and the non-fanfic side of fandom.
** Another common dividing point is fans who agree that the show [[GrowingTheBeard grew the beard]], but [[NarmCharm didn't want it to]].
** Of course, there is heavily divided opinion on the show itself, with many thinking it was a failed attempt at Darker and Edgier, and Hotter and Sexier Doctor Who.
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