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* SpecialEffectsFailure: If [[spoiler:Tripp]] dies in Episode 4, he reappears in the background anyway in Episode 5 shortly after [[spoiler:Ava]] dies. Apparently the animators forgot to edit him out.

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* SpecialEffectsFailure: If [[spoiler:Tripp]] dies in Episode 4, he reappears in the background anyway in Episode 5 shortly after [[spoiler:Ava]] dies. Apparently Apparently, the animators forgot to edit him out.



** Clint and Lingard have known David for years, who has already proven himself to be extremely loyal to Richmond. It stands that they would at least consider it from David’s point of view when he reveals Joan’s actions. Not only do they not do that, they also kick David out, in spite of the evidence (and Max’s confession) proving him right. There’s an implication that they’re following her to remain in power, despite outnumbering her two to one.

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** Clint and Lingard have known David for years, who has already proven himself to be extremely loyal to Richmond. It stands that they would at least consider it from David’s point of view when he reveals Joan’s actions. Not only do they not do that, but they also kick David out, in spite of the evidence (and Max’s confession) proving him right. There’s an implication that they’re following her to remain in power, despite outnumbering her two to one.



** [[spoiler: Kenny]] prompting the inexperienced Clementine to speed up when teaching her how to drive, with both of them not wearing seat belts, ''with baby A.J. riding with them in the car'', and then taking control of the steering wheel by force to swerve when she hits a lone walker on the road while speeding instead of commanding her to hit the breaks. This results in [[spoiler: Kenny's]] easily preventable death as they are catapulted through the windscreen upon impact, breaking his spine and legs upon crashing to the ground, and then being devoured by walkers shortly afterwards. What's worse, this leaves Clementine and baby A.J. to fend for themselves after [[spoiler: Kenny]] dies, since they were lucky enough to not die in the crash as well.

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** [[spoiler: Kenny]] prompting the inexperienced Clementine to speed up when teaching her how to drive, with both of them not wearing seat belts, ''with baby A.J. riding with them in the car'', and then taking control of the steering wheel by force to swerve when she hits a lone walker on the road while speeding instead of commanding her to hit the breaks. This results in [[spoiler: Kenny's]] easily preventable death as they are catapulted through the windscreen upon impact, breaking his spine and legs upon crashing to the ground, and then being devoured by walkers shortly afterwards. What's worse, this leaves Clementine and baby A.J. to fend for themselves after [[spoiler: Kenny]] dies, since they were lucky enough to not die in the crash as well.well.
* TheWoobie: Javier without a doubt. Aside from watching his niece die and dealing with a JerkAss brother in David, almost everything that goes wrong is almost ''entirely'' blamed on him, whether or not he had any choice in the decision or not. What makes it even worse is that even if he tries to stand up for himself, he will more often than not come out looking worse than if he doesn't say a word.

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** Conrad is a character that unlike Ben Paul, Tripp or Ava can actually live in all 5 episodes. While he has moments in the third episode if the player allows him to kill Badger, he doesn't do much in the fourth episode aside helping Javi at the end (if the player manages to duck to let him live). And while Conrad has a peaceful ending, we don't get his reactions on either Joan's betrayal or Tripp's deaths. Considering Eleanor said after Tripp's death on how she'll tell Conrad about it, this feels like a missed opportunity on the only two members of Prescott to reconcile. It doesn't help that, if the choice stats are any indication, most players never even got to see what Conrad gets up to Episode 2 because they put a cap in his dome for pulling a gun on a beloved character (Clementine, of course) and taking Gabe hostage.

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** Conrad is a character that unlike Ben Paul, Tripp or Ava can actually live in all 5 episodes. While he has moments in the third episode if the player allows him to kill Badger, he doesn't do much in the fourth episode aside helping Javi at the end (if the player manages to duck to let him live). And while Conrad has a peaceful ending, we don't get his reactions on either Joan's betrayal or Tripp's deaths. Considering Eleanor said after Tripp's death on how she'll tell Conrad about it, this feels like a missed opportunity on the only two members of Prescott to reconcile. It doesn't help that, if the choice stats are any indication, most players never even got to see what Conrad gets up to after Episode 2 because they put a cap in his dome for pulling a gun on a beloved character (Clementine, of course) and taking Gabe hostage.
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** Come Episode 5, Kate begins insisting that Javi and the group step up to protect Richmond from the walker invasion, and Javi is guilt-tripped for trying to save his family even though every person in the city seems to be either a corrupt, violent scumbag or a feckless, underdeveloped moron. This especially applies to named characters like Fern, who almost shoots Javi and Kate for (quite justifiably) fighting back against Joan's tyranny and causing casualties among her family, when she and her husband participated in New Frontier's raids against other settlements in the first place. When David steps in to disable Fern by breaking her arm, he's treated as though he's overreacting when Fern's lucky he didn't kill her, and his decision to abandon Richmond to its fate comes across as entirely reasonable considering how the New Frontier betrayed him (his only mistake is doing so while the walker herd is still rampaging outside the walls). In the ending, Jesus suggests out of the blue that Javi lead Richmond himself, as though he owes it any loyalty whatsoever.

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** Come Episode 5, Kate begins insisting that Javi and the group step up to protect Richmond from the walker invasion, and Javi is guilt-tripped for trying to save his family even though every person in the city seems to be either a corrupt, violent scumbag or a feckless, underdeveloped moron. This especially applies to named characters like Fern, who almost shoots Javi and Kate for (quite justifiably) fighting back against Joan's tyranny and causing casualties among her family, when she and her husband participated in the New Frontier's raids against other settlements in the first place. When David steps in to disable Fern by breaking her arm, he's treated as though he's overreacting when Fern's lucky he didn't kill her, and his decision to abandon Richmond to its fate comes across as entirely reasonable considering how the New Frontier betrayed him (his only mistake is doing so while the walker herd is still rampaging outside the walls). In the ending, Jesus suggests out of the blue that Javi lead Richmond himself, as though he owes it any loyalty whatsoever.

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* JerkassWoobie: Hoo boy, David. On the one hand, he's a violent {{Jerkass}} who frequently uses the excuse of "protecting" his family to control them. This is best seen in the confrontation with Fern, in which, even ''after'' the situation has been defused, he'll still [[spoiler:break her arm and callously kill her husband right in front of her]], then react with shock and hurt when his family berate him for it. On the other hand, his control-freak tendencies clearly come from a lifetime of having to be the responsible older brother. The outbreak starts mere ''hours'' after his beloved father dies, and he's seperated from the rest of his family shortly after, spending years beliving that his brother, wife, and children had all died.

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* JerkassWoobie: Hoo boy, David. On the one hand, he's a violent {{Jerkass}} who frequently uses the excuse of "protecting" his family to control them. This is best seen in the confrontation with Fern, in which, even ''after'' the situation has been defused, he'll still [[spoiler:break her arm and callously kill her husband right in front of her]], then react with shock and hurt when his family berate him for it. On the other hand, his control-freak tendencies clearly come from a lifetime of having to be the responsible older brother. The outbreak starts mere ''hours'' after his beloved father dies, and he's seperated separated from the rest of his family shortly after, spending years beliving that his brother, wife, and children had all died.



** Conrad is a character that unlike Ben Paul, Tripp or Ava can actually live in all 5 episodes. While he has moments in the third episode if the player allows him to kill Badger, he doesn't do much in the fourth episode aside helping Javi at the end (if the player manages to duck to let him live. And while Conrad has a peaceful ending, we don't get his reactions on either Joan's betrayal or Tripp's deaths. Considering Eleanor said after Tripp's death on how she'll tell Conrad about it, this feels like a miss opportunity on the only two members of Prescott to reconcile.

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** Conrad is a character that unlike Ben Paul, Tripp or Ava can actually live in all 5 episodes. While he has moments in the third episode if the player allows him to kill Badger, he doesn't do much in the fourth episode aside helping Javi at the end (if the player manages to duck to let him live.live). And while Conrad has a peaceful ending, we don't get his reactions on either Joan's betrayal or Tripp's deaths. Considering Eleanor said after Tripp's death on how she'll tell Conrad about it, this feels like a miss missed opportunity on the only two members of Prescott to reconcile.reconcile. It doesn't help that, if the choice stats are any indication, most players never even got to see what Conrad gets up to Episode 2 because they put a cap in his dome for pulling a gun on a beloved character (Clementine, of course) and taking Gabe hostage.


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** Come Episode 5, Kate begins insisting that Javi and the group step up to protect Richmond from the walker invasion, and Javi is guilt-tripped for trying to save his family even though every person in the city seems to be either a corrupt, violent scumbag or a feckless, underdeveloped moron. This especially applies to named characters like Fern, who almost shoots Javi and Kate for (quite justifiably) fighting back against Joan's tyranny and causing casualties among her family, when she and her husband participated in New Frontier's raids against other settlements in the first place. When David steps in to disable Fern by breaking her arm, he's treated as though he's overreacting when Fern's lucky he didn't kill her, and his decision to abandon Richmond to its fate comes across as entirely reasonable considering how the New Frontier betrayed him (his only mistake is doing so while the walker herd is still rampaging outside the walls). In the ending, Jesus suggests out of the blue that Javi lead Richmond himself, as though he owes it any loyalty whatsoever.
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** The fate of [[spoiler: Conrad]] has been this for some people. A lot of people have complained about the lack of impact your choices ultimately have on the outcome of a game, and characters you can save will die one or two episode later, anyway. However, ever since Episode 2, [[spoiler: Conrad]] can potentially die depending on the choices made, so players have stated they feel that the choices that keep him alive really ''do'' have an impact.
** After the backlash that resulted from [[spoiler: Kenny and Jane's brief and unceremonious death scenes]] back in Episode 1, Telltale added additional flashbacks in Episode 4 with the characters in question that give them some extra moments with Clementine as well as a little more [[CharacterDevelopment character development]].
** Regardless of how many players feel about [[SeasonalRot Season 3]], a lot of players do appreciate that the season did not end on such a dour, depressing note, especially compared to [[DownerEnding Season 2]]. Players also do love that [[spoiler: Conrad]] is capable of surviving all the way up to the end, and that Clementine developed into a more optimistic person.



* CriticalResearchFailure:
** In Season 3 Gabe tries to teach and play Euchre with Clementine. Not only are there twos in his deck which must be removed no matter what type of the game you use, but you also have to have ''four people'' to play the game.
** A flashback shows Clementine injects a feverish A.J. with a dose of the antibiotic vancomycin, but while the drug is extremely powerful, it's also possibly harmful, and is not advised for use in any common illness like A.J. might have (such as whooping cough or pneumonia). It does end up working though, so yay?



* TooBleakStoppedCaring: For many longtime fans of Telltale's series, this is the entry where this came into full effect due to the handling of Clementine's story. Season 2 was already criticized for being so bleak that players stopped feeling invested, mostly due to characters dying left and right, often unceremoniously. For many, the only saving grace were some of the MultipleEndings, in which Clementine and [[spoiler:Kenny or Jane]] look to an uncertain but hopeful future with AJ. Then in this season, [[spoiler:Kenny or Jane will be abruptly killed off in one flashback, adding one more trauma to Clementine's long list and once again leaving her alone to fend for herself.]] This made many players abandon all hope of ever seeing Clementine get a decent ending, with many reacting to the SequelHook with apathy.
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** Eleanor, for telling Joan about Javi's plan which lead to the deaths of either Ava or Tripp, even if most of the players are trying to be as nice as possible to her and didn't kill Conrad (though in that case Eleanor will accidentally reveal your intentions). What makes it even worst is that not only does she never receive any punishment in the end for betraying Javi's friends while [[KarmaHoudini getting away with it scot-free]], but she also has the gall to blame ''Javier'' for everything ''she'' [[NeverMyFault had caused in the first place]]. And keep in mind this is even if the player spares Conrad in episode 2, followed Joan's order to leave Richmond and let Tripp live for another episode. Oh, and Eleanor is still gonna lash out at Javi if you followed Joan's order to leave on peaceful terms, even though it was David who started the riot.

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** Eleanor, for telling Joan about Javi's plan which lead to the deaths of either Ava or Tripp, even if most of the players are trying to be as nice as possible to her and didn't kill Conrad (though in that case Eleanor will accidentally reveal your intentions). What makes it even worst is that not only does she never receive any punishment in the end for betraying Javi's friends while [[KarmaHoudini getting away with it scot-free]], but she also has the gall to blame ''Javier'' for everything ''she'' [[NeverMyFault had caused in the first place]]. And keep in mind this is even if the player spares Conrad in episode 2, followed Joan's order to leave Richmond and let Tripp live for another episode. Oh, and Eleanor is still gonna lash out at Javi if you followed Joan's order to leave on peaceful terms, even though it was David who started the riot.

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** Eleanor, for telling Joan about Javi's plan which lead to the deaths of either Ava or Tripp, even if most of the players are trying to be as nice as possible to her and didn't kill Conrad (though in that case Eleanor will accidentally reveal your intentions). What makes it even worst is that not only does she never receive any punishment in the end for betraying Javi's friends while [[KarmaHoudini getting away with it scot-free]], but she also has the gall to blame ''Javier'' for everything ''she'' [[NeverMyFault had caused in the first place]].

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** Eleanor, for telling Joan about Javi's plan which lead to the deaths of either Ava or Tripp, even if most of the players are trying to be as nice as possible to her and didn't kill Conrad (though in that case Eleanor will accidentally reveal your intentions). What makes it even worst is that not only does she never receive any punishment in the end for betraying Javi's friends while [[KarmaHoudini getting away with it scot-free]], but she also has the gall to blame ''Javier'' for everything ''she'' [[NeverMyFault had caused in the first place]]. And keep in mind this is even if the player spares Conrad in episode 2, followed Joan's order to leave Richmond and let Tripp live for another episode. Oh, and Eleanor is still gonna lash out at Javi if you followed Joan's order to leave on peaceful terms, even though it was David who started the riot.



* TheyChangedItSoItSucks: While ''A New Frontier'' comes in for its fair share of legitimate criticism, there's a vocal part of the fanbase that seem to dislike it simply for not being as heavily focussed on Clementine as the other three seasons. While most players agree that Kate and Gabe fairly earned their status as TheScrappy, many will admit that Javier would probably have been ''much'' better received as a character if Clementine (and Lee to a lesser extent) hadn't been such a ToughActToFollow as a central protagonist.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Many players have wondered if the season wouldn't have been all-round improved by reversing [[TheScrappy Gabe]] and [[WeHardlyKnewYe Mariana]]'s roles, with [[spoiler:Gabe locked in to dying at the end of the first episode, and Mariana getting the rest of the season to grow as a character and (determinantly) survive]].

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* TheyChangedItSoItSucks: While ''A New Frontier'' comes in for its fair share of legitimate criticism, there's a vocal part of the fanbase that seem to dislike it simply for not being as heavily focussed focused on Clementine as the other three seasons. While most players agree that Kate and Gabe fairly earned their status as TheScrappy, many will admit that Javier would probably have been ''much'' better received as a character if Clementine (and Lee to a lesser extent) hadn't been such a ToughActToFollow as a central protagonist.
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Many players have wondered if the season wouldn't have been all-round improved by reversing [[TheScrappy Gabe]] and [[WeHardlyKnewYe Mariana]]'s roles, with [[spoiler:Gabe locked in to dying at the end of the first episode, and Mariana getting the rest of the season to grow as a character and (determinantly) survive]].survive]].
** Conrad is a character that unlike Ben Paul, Tripp or Ava can actually live in all 5 episodes. While he has moments in the third episode if the player allows him to kill Badger, he doesn't do much in the fourth episode aside helping Javi at the end (if the player manages to duck to let him live. And while Conrad has a peaceful ending, we don't get his reactions on either Joan's betrayal or Tripp's deaths. Considering Eleanor said after Tripp's death on how she'll tell Conrad about it, this feels like a miss opportunity on the only two members of Prescott to reconcile.
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** Many fans found [[spoiler:Kenny's and Jane's flashback deaths]] to be hard to take seriously for how rushed and unceremonious they are, particularly [[spoiler:Kenny's]]. [[spoiler:After being a pivotal character who has survived for two seasons, he is suddenly killed off as he falls out of a car that Clementine crashes and stays behind to be eaten while she escapes. Even people who didn't like Kenny thought it was a poorly-executed sendoff to a major character.]].

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** Many fans found [[spoiler:Kenny's and Jane's flashback deaths]] to be hard to take seriously for how rushed and unceremonious they are, particularly [[spoiler:Kenny's]]. [[spoiler:After being a pivotal character who has survived for two seasons, he is suddenly killed off as he falls out of a car that Clementine crashes and stays behind to be eaten while she escapes. Even people who didn't like Kenny thought it was a poorly-executed sendoff to a major character.]].]]

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* AntiShippingGoggles: Numerous fans have grown to ''despise'' the ShipTease between Clementine and [[spoiler: Gabe]]. Mostly because [[spoiler: Gabe]] is considered TheScrappy for numerous reasons that don't bring him even close to Clem's popularity. It didn't help when one possible ending for Season 3 have Clementine [[spoiler: kiss Gabe]] before he dies which had most players grossed out.
** [[spoiler: And to top this off the next season has Louis and Violet, who are more likable and better developed characters that show better chemistry with Clem.]]

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* AntiShippingGoggles: Numerous fans have grown to ''despise'' the ShipTease between Clementine and [[spoiler: Gabe]]. Mostly because [[spoiler: Gabe]] is considered TheScrappy Gabe]], largely due to Gabe feeling like an unworthy fit for numerous reasons that don't bring him even close fan-favorite Clementine, who is significantly more mature and capable. Many players reacted with disgust to Clem's popularity. It didn't help when one possible a potential ending for Season 3 have in which Clementine [[spoiler: kiss Gabe]] before [[spoiler:kisses him as he dies which had most players grossed out.
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dies, with what sounds like a confession of love.]] In addition, next season has Louis and Violet, who are more likable and better developed better-developed characters that show better chemistry with Clem.]]Clem. Players were pleased at the dialogue option to have Clementine dismiss her relationship with Gabe.



* BaseBreakingCharacter: Javi. Some players find him likeable and refreshing, while others find him boring and feel that he shouldn't have replaced Clementine as the main protagonist.
* ClicheStorm: Easily one of the biggest criticisms of Season 3 is that uses every zombie survival story trope imaginable, even using similar storylines that were in the comics and TV show.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Javi. Some players find him likeable and refreshing, while others and are interested in his story of trying his damndest to keep his family from falling apart. Others find him to be a boring VanillaProtagonist and feel that he shouldn't have replaced Clementine as the main protagonist.
* ClicheStorm: Easily one of the biggest criticisms of Season 3 is that uses every zombie survival story trope imaginable, even using similar storylines that were in the comics and TV show.
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* FanPreferredCouple: This happens with some fans preferring the pairing Javier/Jesus over Javier/Kate. This is due to the fact that players have an option of flirting with [[EnsembleDarkhorse Jesus]], the confirmation of Javier being bisexual, and because of how poorly received his [[RomanticPlotTumor relationship]] is with [[TheScrappy Kate]].

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* FanPreferredCouple: This happens Despite the game pushing for Javier/Kate, most fans prefer Javi with some fans preferring Jesus, whom he can flirt with in the pairing Javier/Jesus over Javier/Kate. This is due to final episode. Many believe the fact that players two have an option of flirting better chemistry together, and are more a more interesting (and perhaps healthier) couple than what's perceived as a forced relationship with [[EnsembleDarkhorse Jesus]], Javi's brother's widow. The creators confirming Javi to be bisexual got the confirmation of Javier being bisexual, and because of how poorly received his [[RomanticPlotTumor relationship]] is with [[TheScrappy Kate]].ship even more support.



* IdiotPlot: One of the biggest criticisms of ''The New Frontier'' is that everyone ignores the most sensible things in favor of the things that would cause the most drama.



* JerkassWoobie: Hoo boy, David.

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* ItsTheSameSoItSucks: A major criticism of the plot as a whole is that it once again features a corrupt community of survivors led by an evil dictator that the main cast has to fight back against--an idea already focused on in the comics, the TV show, and other ''The Walking Dead'' media, without any significant changes.
* JerkassWoobie: Hoo boy, David. On the one hand, he's a violent {{Jerkass}} who frequently uses the excuse of "protecting" his family to control them. This is best seen in the confrontation with Fern, in which, even ''after'' the situation has been defused, he'll still [[spoiler:break her arm and callously kill her husband right in front of her]], then react with shock and hurt when his family berate him for it. On the other hand, his control-freak tendencies clearly come from a lifetime of having to be the responsible older brother. The outbreak starts mere ''hours'' after his beloved father dies, and he's seperated from the rest of his family shortly after, spending years beliving that his brother, wife, and children had all died.



** A lot of people agreed that Season 3's flashbacks showing how either [[spoiler:Jane or Kenny died were just insulting and hard to take seriously, the worst offender being Kenny whom, after having been a central character and survived for two seasons, is suddenly killed off unceremoniously as he falls out of a car that Clementine crashes and stays behind to be eaten while she escapes. Even people who didn't like Kenny found it a poorly executed death, and many saw it as proof that the writers merely killed him (or Jane) off so that Clementine's story would be the same in Season 3 regardless of the ending you chose for Season 2,]] which felt really unfair to the characters.
** The "Tell him off" option in Episode 2 of Season 3 has gotten this reaction, the main reason being that instead of Javier actually telling off David, Javier ''tells him that Kate wants to leave him'', which caused many to cite it as one of the most infamously misleading choices next to [[VideoGame/TheWolfAmongUs "Glass him"]].

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** A lot of people agreed that Season 3's flashbacks showing how either [[spoiler:Jane or Kenny died were just insulting Many fans found [[spoiler:Kenny's and Jane's flashback deaths]] to be hard to take seriously, the worst offender seriously for how rushed and unceremonious they are, particularly [[spoiler:Kenny's]]. [[spoiler:After being Kenny whom, after having been a central pivotal character and who has survived for two seasons, he is suddenly killed off unceremoniously as he falls out of a car that Clementine crashes and stays behind to be eaten while she escapes. Even people who didn't like Kenny found thought it was a poorly executed death, and many saw it as proof that the writers merely killed him (or Jane) off so that Clementine's story would be the same in Season 3 regardless of the ending you chose for Season 2,]] which felt really unfair poorly-executed sendoff to the characters.
** The "Tell him off" option in Episode 2 of Season 3 has gotten this reaction, the main reason being that instead of Javier actually telling off David, Javier ''tells him that Kate wants to leave him'', which caused many to cite it as one of the most infamously misleading choices next to [[VideoGame/TheWolfAmongUs "Glass him"]].
a major character.]].



** In Season 3, Episode 5, [[spoiler:the group will eventually meet a woman named Fern who is mourning either her dead child or her husband, depending on choices you made beforehand. The animation on Fern's face however is atrocious as she switches from heavy crying to shouting profanities to screaming in pain when David breaks her arm, all with a completely indifferent expression.]]
** If she's still alive, [[spoiler:Ava's]] death in Season 3 Episode 5 happens so random and quickly that it's hard to take seriously. Immediately after telling Javi to be careful, she's grabbed by a zombie crawling out a car behind her, causing her to fall down a cliff, and the characters mourn for five seconds before moving on. Even funnier as one of Javi's dialogue options about two seconds after she falls is "She died a hero." The whole thing reads more like BlackComedy than an actual tragic scene.
** The fight between David and Javi in Episode 5 has been considered this for many people, even players who chose to show love instead of fight admitted that it’s a little hard to take seriously. It’s made worse since it comes out of nowhere and doesn’t affect the story whatsoever.
** Trip's exclamation of "I didn't even know you had a brother, Javi!" is ''incredibly'' baffling considering 1) Trip and Javi have known each other for about a day at most, so why Trip feels so betrayed about not knowing that a near-stranger has a brother makes no sense, and 2) Trip knows that Gabe and Mariana were Javi's nephew and niece.

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** In Season 3, Episode 5, [[spoiler:the group will eventually meet a woman named Fern who is mourning either her dead child or her husband, depending on choices you made beforehand. The However, the animation on Fern's face however is atrocious nonexistent, as she switches from heavy crying to shouting profanities to screaming in pain when David breaks her arm, all with a completely indifferent expression.]]
** If she's still alive, [[spoiler:Ava's]] death in Season 3 Episode 5 happens so random and quickly that it's hard to take seriously.laughable. Immediately after telling Javi to be careful, she's grabbed by a zombie crawling out a car behind her, causing her to fall down a cliff, and the characters mourn for five seconds before moving on. Even funnier as one of Javi's dialogue options about two seconds after she falls is "She died a hero." The whole thing reads more like BlackComedy than an actual tragic scene.
** The fight between David and Javi in Episode 5 has been considered this for many people, even players who chose to show people for how melodramatic it is, particularly if the player chooses "love." This will result in Javi screaming "I love instead of fight admitted that it’s a little hard to take seriously. It’s made worse since it comes out of nowhere you!" over and doesn’t affect the story whatsoever.
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** Trip's exclamation Upon being told of Javi's brother David, Tripp exclaims, offended, "I didn't even know you had a brother, Javi!" This is ''incredibly'' baffling considering 1) Trip and despite only knowing Javi have known each other for about a day at most, so why Trip feels so betrayed about not knowing this point, and already being aware that he had a near-stranger has a brother makes no sense, niece and 2) Trip knows that Gabe and Mariana were Javi's nephew and niece. nephew.



* RomanticPlotTumor: Javier and Kate's relationship takes up a lot of screen time in ''A New Frontier''. The fact that the former is a [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base Breaker]] and the latter a [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] doesn't help.

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* RomanticPlotTumor: Javier and Kate's relationship takes up a lot of screen time in ''A New Frontier''. The fact that whether it's pursued or not. Even if the former is a [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base Breaker]] player chooses to turn Kate down at every opportunity, the game continues to pack sexual tension into their every scene together--even in the flashbacks ''before'' the zombie outbreak and David's disappearance. Many players were left annoyed at being pressured to romance Kate, whether for a perceived lack of chemistry, or for the latter moral implications of pursuing your brother's widow during a [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] doesn't help.time of desperation.



** Kate for being an annoying FlatCharacter who only seems to be around to be one half of a RomanticPlotTumor with Javi. The fact that she [[AntiRoleModel has smoked marijuana in front of her kids when she thought they weren't looking]] (even once in the same vehicle as them!) and is heavily implied to be pursuing a romance with Javi before the zombie outbreak and while married to David makes it worse. Furthermore, she never gets in trouble for romantically having feelings for Javi while Javi does even if he doesn't return her feelings.

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** Kate for being an annoying FlatCharacter who only seems to be around to be one half of a RomanticPlotTumor with Javi. The fact that she [[AntiRoleModel has smoked marijuana in front of her kids when she thought they weren't looking]] (even once in the same vehicle as them!) and is heavily implied to be pursuing a romance with Javi before the zombie outbreak and while married to David makes it worse. Furthermore, she never gets in trouble for romantically having feelings for Javi while Javi does even if he doesn't return her feelings. Many lost all sympathy for her when she potentially [[spoiler:''kisses Javi right in front of David,'' while the latter is clearly on the verge of a breakdown.]]



* TooBleakStoppedCaring: A common criticism towards Clementine's arc, as all the efforts she went through in the previous seasons have become meaningless since whoever you were stuck with at the end of Season 2 ends up getting killed in a rushed and pointless manner.

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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: A common criticism towards For many longtime fans of Telltale's series, this is the entry where this came into full effect due to the handling of Clementine's arc, as all the efforts she went through in the previous seasons have become meaningless since whoever you were stuck with at the end of story. Season 2 ends up getting was already criticized for being so bleak that players stopped feeling invested, mostly due to characters dying left and right, often unceremoniously. For many, the only saving grace were some of the MultipleEndings, in which Clementine and [[spoiler:Kenny or Jane]] look to an uncertain but hopeful future with AJ. Then in this season, [[spoiler:Kenny or Jane will be abruptly killed off in a rushed one flashback, adding one more trauma to Clementine's long list and pointless manner.once again leaving her alone to fend for herself.]] This made many players abandon all hope of ever seeing Clementine get a decent ending, with many reacting to the SequelHook with apathy.
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* UncannyValley:
** Season 3 has a much more realistic design for the characters than the first two seasons. While the art itself is far from bad, there are flashbacks to Season 2 times (that is to say, only a month or two after the season's ending) that [[spoiler:update Clementine, Jane, and Kenny for the art style. Seeing them go from slightly-comic-book-cartoonish to very realistic is pretty unsettling.]]
** In Episode 5 of Season 3, you encounter a woman named Fern, grieving over her husband and/or child. She cracks and points a gun at you, leading to a tense scene with everyone yelling, crying, etc. The problem? Fern's facial animation is ''minimal'' at best. The whole scene, she'll look completely indifferent. Fortunately, a patch was eventually addressed where Fern's expressions are more appropriate.
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* EightDeadlyWords: While previous seasons have gotten this criticism, Season 3 is often considered the worst offender. A good majority of the cast can come off as irrational jerkasses who never treat you kindly no matter how nice you are to them, and the family you're meant to care about rarely if ever show any meaningful kindness or decency towards Javi, which can make it nearly impossible to really form any type of attachment to them, much less sentimental.
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* AntiShippingGoggles: Numerous fans have grown to ''despise'' the ShipTease between Clementine and [[spoiler: Gabe]]. Mostly because [[spoiler: Gabe]] is considered TheScrappy for numerous reasons that don't bring him even close to Clem's popularity. It didn't help when one possible ending for season 3 have Clementine [[spoiler: kiss Gabe]] before he dies which had most players grossed out.

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* AntiShippingGoggles: Numerous fans have grown to ''despise'' the ShipTease between Clementine and [[spoiler: Gabe]]. Mostly because [[spoiler: Gabe]] is considered TheScrappy for numerous reasons that don't bring him even close to Clem's popularity. It didn't help when one possible ending for season Season 3 have Clementine [[spoiler: kiss Gabe]] before he dies which had most players grossed out.



** The fate of [[spoiler: Conrad]] has been this for some people. A lot of people have complained about the lack of impact your choices ultimately have on the outcome of a game, and characters you can save will die one or two episode later anyway. However, ever since episode 2, [[spoiler: Conrad]] can potentially die depending on the choices made, so players have stated they feel that the choices that keep him alive really ''do'' have an impact.
** After the backlash that resulted from [[spoiler: Kenny and Jane's brief and unceremonious death scenes]] back in Episode 1 Telltale added additional flashbacks in Episode 4 with the characters in question that give them some extra moments with Clementine as well as a little more [[CharacterDevelopment character development]].
** Regardless of how many players feel about [[SeasonalRot Season Three]], a lot of players do appreciate that the season did not end on such a dour, depressing note, especially compared to [[DownerEnding Season 2]]. Players also do love that [[spoiler: Conrad]] is capable of surviving all the way up to the end, and that Clementine developed into a more optimistic person.

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** The fate of [[spoiler: Conrad]] has been this for some people. A lot of people have complained about the lack of impact your choices ultimately have on the outcome of a game, and characters you can save will die one or two episode later later, anyway. However, ever since episode Episode 2, [[spoiler: Conrad]] can potentially die depending on the choices made, so players have stated they feel that the choices that keep him alive really ''do'' have an impact.
** After the backlash that resulted from [[spoiler: Kenny and Jane's brief and unceremonious death scenes]] back in Episode 1 1, Telltale added additional flashbacks in Episode 4 with the characters in question that give them some extra moments with Clementine as well as a little more [[CharacterDevelopment character development]].
** Regardless of how many players feel about [[SeasonalRot Season Three]], 3]], a lot of players do appreciate that the season did not end on such a dour, depressing note, especially compared to [[DownerEnding Season 2]]. Players also do love that [[spoiler: Conrad]] is capable of surviving all the way up to the end, and that Clementine developed into a more optimistic person.



* ClicheStorm: Easily one of the biggest criticisms of season 3 is that uses every zombie survival story trope imaginable, even using similar storylines that were in the comics and tv show.

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* ClicheStorm: Easily one of the biggest criticisms of season Season 3 is that uses every zombie survival story trope imaginable, even using similar storylines that were in the comics and tv TV show.



** A lot of people agreed that season 3's flashbacks showing how either [[spoiler:Jane or Kenny died were just insulting and hard to take seriously, the worst offender being Kenny whom, after having been a central character and survived for two seasons, is suddenly killed off unceremoniously as he falls out of a car that Clementine crashes and stays behind to be eaten while she escapes. Even people who didn't like Kenny found it a poorly executed death, and many saw it as proof that the writers merely killed him (or Jane) off so that Clementine's story would be the same in season 3 regardless of the ending you chose for season 2,]] which felt really unfair to the characters.
** The "Tell him off" option in episode 2 of season 3 has gotten this reaction, the main reason being that instead of Javier actually telling off David, Javier ''tells him that Kate wants to leave him'', which caused many to cite it as one of the most infamously misleading choices next to [[VideoGame/TheWolfAmongUs "Glass him"]].
** In season 3 episode 4, there's a part where Javier and Gabriel can be spotted by a bearded guy in a baseball cap who doesn't say anything, but completely nonchalantly shoots them down with a tiny smile and even raising his eyebrows as he does so. It's so random and bizarre that it becomes outright hilarious. The pair from ''WebVideo/VideoGamesAwesome'' for instance [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa4QFAjaFEs completely cracked up at said part.]]
** In season 3, episode 5, [[spoiler:the group will eventually meet a woman named Fern who is mourning either her dead child or her husband, depending on choices you made beforehand. The animation on Fern's face however is atrocious as she switches from heavy crying to shouting profanities to screaming in pain when David breaks her arm, all with a completely indifferent expression.]]
** If she's still alive, [[spoiler:Ava's]] death in season 3 episode 5 happens so random and quickly that it's hard to take seriously. Immediately after telling Javi to be careful, she's grabbed by a zombie crawling out a car behind her, causing her to fall down a cliff, and the characters mourn for five seconds before moving on. Even funnier as one of Javi's dialogue options about two seconds after she falls is "She died a hero." The whole thing reads more like BlackComedy than an actual tragic scene.
** The fight between David and Javi in episode 5 has been considered this for many people, even players who chose to show love instead of fight admitted that it’s a little hard to take seriously. It’s made worse since it comes out of nowhere and doesn’t affect the story whatsoever.

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** A lot of people agreed that season Season 3's flashbacks showing how either [[spoiler:Jane or Kenny died were just insulting and hard to take seriously, the worst offender being Kenny whom, after having been a central character and survived for two seasons, is suddenly killed off unceremoniously as he falls out of a car that Clementine crashes and stays behind to be eaten while she escapes. Even people who didn't like Kenny found it a poorly executed death, and many saw it as proof that the writers merely killed him (or Jane) off so that Clementine's story would be the same in season Season 3 regardless of the ending you chose for season Season 2,]] which felt really unfair to the characters.
** The "Tell him off" option in episode Episode 2 of season Season 3 has gotten this reaction, the main reason being that instead of Javier actually telling off David, Javier ''tells him that Kate wants to leave him'', which caused many to cite it as one of the most infamously misleading choices next to [[VideoGame/TheWolfAmongUs "Glass him"]].
** In season Season 3 episode Episode 4, there's a part where Javier and Gabriel can be spotted by a bearded guy in a baseball cap who doesn't say anything, but completely nonchalantly shoots them down with a tiny smile and even raising his eyebrows as he does so. It's so random and bizarre that it becomes outright hilarious. The pair from ''WebVideo/VideoGamesAwesome'' for instance [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa4QFAjaFEs completely cracked up at said part.]]
** In season Season 3, episode Episode 5, [[spoiler:the group will eventually meet a woman named Fern who is mourning either her dead child or her husband, depending on choices you made beforehand. The animation on Fern's face however is atrocious as she switches from heavy crying to shouting profanities to screaming in pain when David breaks her arm, all with a completely indifferent expression.]]
** If she's still alive, [[spoiler:Ava's]] death in season Season 3 episode Episode 5 happens so random and quickly that it's hard to take seriously. Immediately after telling Javi to be careful, she's grabbed by a zombie crawling out a car behind her, causing her to fall down a cliff, and the characters mourn for five seconds before moving on. Even funnier as one of Javi's dialogue options about two seconds after she falls is "She died a hero." The whole thing reads more like BlackComedy than an actual tragic scene.
** The fight between David and Javi in episode Episode 5 has been considered this for many people, even players who chose to show love instead of fight admitted that it’s a little hard to take seriously. It’s made worse since it comes out of nowhere and doesn’t affect the story whatsoever.



* ReplacementScrappy: The main reason why Javier Garcia became [[BaseBreakingCharacter a divisive character]] with him replacing Clementine as the main character with fans believing that he is a less interesting character than her. It does not help much that fans were hoping that [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot season three would focused more on the multiple endings for the second season only for them to be addressed in one flashback cutscene where they]] [[spoiler: [[DroppedABridgeOnHim Dropped A Bridge On Kenny/Jane/Edith/Insert Any Character Other Than Alvin Jr. That You Ended Up With By Season Two]]]] with the main story focusing more on Javi's story.

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* ReplacementScrappy: The main reason why Javier Garcia became [[BaseBreakingCharacter a divisive character]] with him replacing Clementine as the main character with fans believing that he is a less interesting character than her. It does not help much that fans were hoping that [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot season three Season 3 would focused more on the multiple endings for the second season only for them to be addressed in one flashback cutscene where they]] [[spoiler: [[DroppedABridgeOnHim Dropped A Bridge On Kenny/Jane/Edith/Insert Any Character Other Than Alvin Jr. That You Ended Up With By Season Two]]]] with the main story focusing more on Javi's story.



** Javi and Kate from season 3. From the start, it's fairly obvious the story wants the two paired off. The only issues being the fanbase [[BaseBreakingCharacter doesn't exactly like either one of them]], and their romantic chemistry is minimal to nil at best (not to mention that Kate is still married to David).

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** Javi and Kate from season Season 3. From the start, it's fairly obvious the story wants the two paired off. The only issues being the fanbase [[BaseBreakingCharacter doesn't exactly like either one of them]], and their romantic chemistry is minimal to nil at best (not to mention that Kate is still married to David).



** In ''A New Frontier'' episode 4, Javi can give several TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to [[EmoTeen Gabe]], telling him that he's tired of Gabe trying to be a lone warrior or martyr when he's actually a boy trying to [[IWantToBeARealMan prove himself a man]], and tells him to grow up.

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** In ''A New Frontier'' episode Episode 4, Javi can give several TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to [[EmoTeen Gabe]], telling him that he's tired of Gabe trying to be a lone warrior or martyr when he's actually a boy trying to [[IWantToBeARealMan prove himself a man]], and tells him to grow up.



* TooBleakStoppedCaring: A common criticism towards Clementine's arc, as all the efforts she went through in the previous seasons have become meaningless since whoever you were stuck with at the end of season 2 ends up getting killed in a rushed and pointless manner.

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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: A common criticism towards Clementine's arc, as all the efforts she went through in the previous seasons have become meaningless since whoever you were stuck with at the end of season Season 2 ends up getting killed in a rushed and pointless manner.



** Richmond as a town. If Joan's clandestine and gruesome raids to innocent settlements doesn't upset you enough, [[spoiler: how about Joan double-crossing on the deal to spare a life, and kill whoever Javi chose to spare anyway]]. This town is shockingly spineless about the corruption that Joan glaringly displays. And then when a riot inevitably breaks out, Richmond's own armed members shoot their own civilians that they are organized to protect.

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** Richmond as a town. If Joan's clandestine and gruesome raids to innocent settlements doesn't upset you enough, [[spoiler: how about Joan double-crossing on the deal to spare a life, and kill whoever Javi chose to spare spare, anyway]]. This town is shockingly spineless about the corruption that Joan glaringly displays. And then then, when a riot inevitably breaks out, Richmond's own armed members shoot their own civilians that they are organized to protect.



** Eleanor and Tripp get hit with this big time, they get pissed at Javi for killing their friend Conrad and yet they decide to trust Joan. Yes don’t trust the man who went out of his way to make sure you two survive, trust the person who actively had your home destroyed for petty reasons and expose Javi's plan to her even though she makes it clear she’s willing to kill your friend. To say Tripp and Eleanor were not being rational is an understatement.

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** Eleanor and Tripp get hit with this big time, this, '''big time''': (determinant) they get pissed at Javi for killing their friend Conrad and Conrad, yet they decide to trust Joan. Yes Sure, don’t trust the man who went out of his way to make sure you two survive, trust the person who actively had your home destroyed for petty reasons and expose Javi's plan to her even though she makes it clear she’s willing to kill your friend. To say Tripp and Eleanor were not being rational is an understatement.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Many players have wondered if the season wouldn't have been all-round improved by reversing [[TheScrappy Gabe]] and [[WeHardlyKnewYe Mariana]]'s roles, with [[spoiler:Gabe locked in to dying at the end of the first episode, and Mariana getting the rest of the season to grow as a character and (determinantly) survive]].
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* RomanticPlotTumor: Javier and Kate's relationship takes up a lot of screen time in ''A New Frontier''. The fact that both are [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base Breakers]] doesn't help.

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* RomanticPlotTumor: Javier and Kate's relationship takes up a lot of screen time in ''A New Frontier''. The fact that both are the former is a [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base Breakers]] Breaker]] and the latter a [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] doesn't help.
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* FanPrefferedCutContent: Early concept art, promotional images and [[DummiedOut animations left in the code of the game]] tell the story of a completely different start of the game that would in turn almost completely change the whole story of the season: [[PlayerCharacter Javier]] would get captured by The New Frontier, split from his family, branded on the neck against his will and thrown into a cell in an abandoned slaughterhouse that the group has repurposed into a prison (which also kept zombies). Javier's cellmate was [[{{Deuteragonist}} Clementine]], with The New Frontier taking away the boy she was looking after, [=AJ=]. Clementine and Javier decide to work together to escape the slaughterhouse and find their kidnapped loved ones. During the escape, they would be chased by Badger, one of The New Frontier members, who would get stuck in a turnstile with zombies getting closer and closer, with Javier having an option to [[MercyKill mercy-kill]] him or leave him to be devoured alive. After Clem and Javi manage to escape, they would stay together to find a way to get their families out of The New Frontier camp. This intro and storyline was cut, with WordOfGod stating that it "Didn't feel like an authentic Franchise/TheWalkingDead story", but some fans think that the high-adrenaline slaugherhouse escape was a much better setup for the plot than the much more generic "group goes out to scavange gas in the junkyard and gets ambushed by bandits" scene present in the final game. This story draft also implied that the fan-favorite Clementine will be a proper {{Deuteragonist}} who will spend a majority of the game with Javier, unlike in the final product, where she is still an important character, but is frequently absent or has to take the back seat for the new characters (which majority of the fans found boring at best or annoying and downright detrimental to the group at worst, not really helping the case).

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* FanPrefferedCutContent: FanPreferredCutContent: Early concept art, promotional images and [[DummiedOut animations left in the code of the game]] tell the story of a completely different start of the game that would in turn almost completely change the whole story of the season: [[PlayerCharacter Javier]] would get captured by The New Frontier, split from his family, branded on the neck against his will and thrown into a cell in an abandoned slaughterhouse that the group has repurposed into a prison (which also kept zombies). Javier's cellmate was [[{{Deuteragonist}} Clementine]], with The New Frontier taking away the boy she was looking after, [=AJ=]. After Tripp's group raids the prison for unrelated reasons, Clementine and Javier decide to work together to escape the slaughterhouse slaughterhouse, now that they have a chance amid the chaos, and find their kidnapped loved ones. During the escape, they would be chased by Badger, one of The New Frontier members, who would get stuck in a turnstile with zombies getting closer and closer, with Javier having an option to [[MercyKill mercy-kill]] him or leave him to be devoured alive. After Clem and Javi manage to escape, they would stay together to find a way to get their families out of The New Frontier camp. This intro and storyline was cut, with WordOfGod stating that it "Didn't feel like an authentic Franchise/TheWalkingDead story", but some fans think that the high-adrenaline slaugherhouse escape was a much better setup for the plot than the much more generic "group goes out to scavange gas in the junkyard and gets ambushed by bandits" scene present in the final game. This story draft also implied that the fan-favorite Clementine will be a proper {{Deuteragonist}} who will spend a majority of the game with Javier, unlike in the final product, where she is still an important character, but is frequently absent or has to take the back seat for the new characters (which majority of the fans found boring at best or annoying and downright detrimental to the group at worst, not really helping the case).

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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Javi. Some players find him likeable and refreshing, while others find him boring and feel that he shouldn't have replaced Clementine as the main protagonist.
** David. Some feel that he's more fleshed out than the rest of the cast and like him for his PetTheDog moments, three-dimensional personality and his (determinant) bond with Javi. Others dislike him for his JerkAss tendencies, temper outburst and the judgemental way he treats his brother. Later episodes caused him to lose a good majority of his fans.

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BaseBreakingCharacter: Javi. Some players find him likeable and refreshing, while others find him boring and feel that he shouldn't have replaced Clementine as the main protagonist.
** David. Some feel that he's more fleshed out than the rest of the cast and like him for his PetTheDog moments, three-dimensional personality and his (determinant) bond with Javi. Others dislike him for his JerkAss tendencies, temper outburst and the judgemental way he treats his brother. Later episodes caused him to lose a good majority of his fans.
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** [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist Joan]] is one of the leaders of the New Frontier, and despite her claims to be looking out for the city of Richmond, is just a sociopathic tyrant ordering raids on other settlements without the other leaders' knowledge. She would destroy these settlements by setting [[OurZombiesAreDifferent walkers]] on them and steal supplies that the New Frontier doesn't actually need; Prescott is one such example. Joan will have Javi and David arrested when they try to expose her raids, and if their only witness is killed, Joan will accuse David of said raids. When Joan prepares to publicly execute David and Javi confronts her, she captures Javi's friends Tripp and Ava hostage and [[SadisticChoice forces him to choose]] who to spare, spitefully killing whomever Javi tries to save. When called out for her brutality, Joan declares [[ItsAllAboutMe she can do anything she wants]], and only entertains the idea of exiling Javi and his group because of massive herds of walkers outside the city walls.

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** [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist Joan]] is one of the leaders of the New Frontier, and despite her claims to be looking out for the city of Richmond, is just a sociopathic tyrant ordering raids on other settlements without the other leaders' knowledge. She would destroy these settlements by setting [[OurZombiesAreDifferent walkers]] on them and steal supplies that the New Frontier doesn't actually need; Prescott is one such example. Joan will have Javi and David arrested when they try to expose her raids, and if their only witness is killed, Joan will accuse David of said raids. When Joan prepares to publicly execute David and Javi confronts her, she captures Javi's friends Tripp and Ava hostage and [[SadisticChoice forces him to choose]] choose who to spare, spitefully killing whomever Javi tries to save. When called out for her brutality, Joan declares [[ItsAllAboutMe she can do anything she wants]], and only entertains the idea of exiling Javi and his group because of massive herds of walkers outside the city walls.
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* FanPrefferedCutContent: Early concept art, promotional images and [[DummiedOut animations left in the code of the game]] tell the story of a completely different start of the game that would in turn almost completely change the whole story of the season: [[PlayerCharacter Javier]] would get captured by The New Frontier, split from his family, branded on the neck against his will and thrown into a cell in an abandoned slaughterhouse that the group has repurposed into a prison (which also kept zombies). Javier's cellmate was [[{{Deuteragonist}} Clementine]], with The New Frontier taking away the boy she was looking after, [=AJ=]. Clementine and Javier decide to work together to escape the slaughterhouse and find their kidnapped loved ones. During the escape, they would be chased by Badger, one of The New Frontier members, who would get stuck in a turnstile with zombies getting closer and closer, with Javier having an option to [[MercyKill mercy-kill]] him or leave him to be devoured alive. After Clem and Javi manage to escape, they would stay together to find a way to get their families out of The New Frontier camp. This intro and storyline was cut, with WordOfGod stating that it "Didn't feel like an authentic Franchise/TheWalkingDead story", but some fans think that the high-adrenaline slaugherhouse escape was a much better setup for the plot than the much more generic "group goes out to scavange gas in the junkyard and gets ambushed by bandits" scene present in the final game. This story draft also implied that the fan-favorite Clementine will be a proper {{Deuteragonist}} who will spend a majority of the game with Javier, unlike in the final product, where she is still an important character, but is frequently absent or has to take the back seat for the new characters (which majority of the fans found boring at best or annoying and downright detrimental to the group at worst, not really helping the case).
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** The scene where Ava gives Clem a bag of supplies. The game attempts to paint her as a ReasonablyAuthorityFigure despite the fact that she [[spoiler: still sides with David in ''kidnapping AJ away from Clementine.'']] She then proceeds to tell Clem that she needs to "keep a level head" after essentially having [[spoiler: AJ kidnapped away from her]] and that she should just move on. It serves to make Ava, and by association the group she was with, sound ''absolutely crazy''.

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** The scene where Ava gives Clem a bag of supplies. The game attempts to paint her as a ReasonablyAuthorityFigure despite the fact that she [[spoiler: still sides with David in ''kidnapping AJ away from Clementine.'']] She then proceeds to tell Clem that she needs to "keep a level head" after essentially having [[spoiler: AJ kidnapped away from her]] and that she should just move on. It serves to make Ava, and by association the group she was with, sound ''absolutely crazy''.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: A common critisism towards Clementine's arc, as all the efforts she went through in the previous seasons have become meaningless since whoever you were stuck with at the end of season 2 ends up getting killed in a rushed and pointless manner.


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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: A common criticism towards Clementine's arc, as all the efforts she went through in the previous seasons have become meaningless since whoever you were stuck with at the end of season 2 ends up getting killed in a rushed and pointless manner.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: [[ZigZaggingTrope Zig-Zagged]] with Gabe in ''A New Frontier'', depending on determinate choices. Fans disliked him in episode 1 and 2, but his calmer attitude in episode 3 [[spoiler: and (possibly) helping Javier out in the beginning of episode 4 made some fans soften their opinion towards him… until he determinately snitches on Javier by revealing to Tripp and Eleanor that Javier shot Conrad, which reignited enormously the hatred in fans.]] However, [[spoiler: in episode 5, he starts showing maturity, questioning his relationships with his dad and Javi, as well as in general actually being genuinely helpful throughout the episode. He also can (determinately) actually die, but his death scene actually managed to [[AlasPoorScrappy stir feelings of sadness within a good chunk of his critics]].]] While the hatred against him has NOT disappeared completely, he has gained fans and ultimately seems to have settled into the BaseBreakingCharacter category.
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** Potentially David. [[spoiler: After Javi agrees to the feasible deal of choosing exile from Richmond so that their friends and family can leave without further violence, what does David do? He quickly grabs a gun and threatens to kill Clint. A massive problem with this is that Clint was the one to organize this peaceful resolution, and Joan should be the one to persecuted for Richmond's corruption. Instead, David kills Clint after a struggle, which makes his murder come off as grossly unjust, since Clint was at least trying to reach a reasonable resolution to Richmond vs Garcia conflict.]]
** [[spoiler: Kenny]] prompting the inexperienced Clementine to speed up when teaching her how to drive, with both of them not wearing seat belts, ''with baby A.J. riding with them in the car'', and then taking control of the steering wheel by force to swerve when she hits a lone walker on the road while speeding instead of commanding her to hit the breaks. This results in [[spoiler: Kenny's]] easily preventable death as they are catapulted through the windscreen upon impact, breaking their spine upon crashing to the ground, and then being devoured by walkers shortly afterwards. What's worse, this leaves Clementine and baby A.J. to fend for themselves after [[spoiler: Kenny]] dies, since they were lucky enough to not die in the crash as well.

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** Potentially David. [[spoiler: After Javi agrees to the feasible deal of choosing exile from Richmond so that their friends and family can leave without further violence, what does David do? He quickly grabs a gun and threatens to kill Clint. A massive problem with this is that Clint was the one to organize this peaceful resolution, and Joan should be the one to persecuted for Richmond's corruption. Instead, David kills Clint after a struggle, which makes his murder come off as grossly unjust, since Clint (despite being UnintentionallyUnsympathetic) was at least trying to reach a reasonable resolution to the Richmond vs Garcia conflict.]]
** [[spoiler: Kenny]] prompting the inexperienced Clementine to speed up when teaching her how to drive, with both of them not wearing seat belts, ''with baby A.J. riding with them in the car'', and then taking control of the steering wheel by force to swerve when she hits a lone walker on the road while speeding instead of commanding her to hit the breaks. This results in [[spoiler: Kenny's]] easily preventable death as they are catapulted through the windscreen upon impact, breaking their his spine and legs upon crashing to the ground, and then being devoured by walkers shortly afterwards. What's worse, this leaves Clementine and baby A.J. to fend for themselves after [[spoiler: Kenny]] dies, since they were lucky enough to not die in the crash as well.
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** Some consider David having crossed this in Episode 5 [[spoiler: when he finds out about Kate's feelings for his little brother over him, [[GreenEyedMonster attacks Javier with a wrench even if the player as Javier do not return Kate's feelings]], and even hits Gabe (albeit unintentionally) when his own son tries to stop him from fighting his uncle. It gets worse if the player chooses to fight him off instead of trying to calm him down, as failing the QTE afterwards results in David essentially '''murdering his own brother''']].

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** Some consider David having crossed this in Episode 5 [[spoiler: when he finds out about Kate's feelings for his little brother over him, [[GreenEyedMonster attacks Javier with a wrench even if the player as Javier do not return Kate's feelings]], feelings while also not scolding Kate for showing feelings to Javi despite being his wife]], and even hits Gabe (albeit unintentionally) when his own son tries to stop him from fighting his uncle. It gets worse if the player chooses to fight him off instead of trying to calm him down, as failing the QTE afterwards results in David essentially '''murdering his own brother''']].



* TheScrappy: ''A New Frontier'' might be infamous just for having the most amount of hated characters in comparison to the other seasons, who at least had some notable likable or sympathetic traits.
** Most of the Season 3 cast (aside from [[EnsembleDarkhorse Jesus and Conrad]]) either for being dull and underdeveloped or for being [[JerkAss outright jerkasses]] or both. As of the finale's release pretty much every let's play on Website/YouTube will have several top comments confessing that they only care about Clementine and [[EightDeadlyWords none of the new cast]].
** Kate for being an annoying FlatCharacter who only seems to be around to be one half of a RomanticPlotTumor with Javi. The fact that she [[AntiRoleModel has smoked marijuana in front of her kids when she thought they weren't looking]] (even once in the same vehicle as them!) and is heavily implied to be pursuing a romance with Javi before the zombie outbreak and while married to David makes it worse.

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* TheScrappy: ''A New Frontier'' might be infamous just for having the most amount of hated characters in comparison to the other seasons, who at least had some notable likable likeable or sympathetic traits.
** Most of the Season 3 cast (aside from [[EnsembleDarkhorse Jesus and Conrad]]) either for being dull and underdeveloped or for being [[JerkAss outright jerkasses]] or both. As of the finale's release pretty much every let's lets play on Website/YouTube will have several top comments confessing that they only care about Clementine and [[EightDeadlyWords none of the new cast]].
** Kate for being an annoying FlatCharacter who only seems to be around to be one half of a RomanticPlotTumor with Javi. The fact that she [[AntiRoleModel has smoked marijuana in front of her kids when she thought they weren't looking]] (even once in the same vehicle as them!) and is heavily implied to be pursuing a romance with Javi before the zombie outbreak and while married to David makes it worse. Furthermore, she never gets in trouble for romantically having feelings for Javi while Javi does even if he doesn't return her feelings.
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* TheyChangedItSoItSucks: While ''A New Frontier'' comes in for its fair share of legitimate criticism, there's a vocal part of the fanbase that seem to dislike it simply for not being as heavily focussed on Clementine as the other three seasons. While most players agree that Kate and Gabe fairly earned their status as TheScrappy, many will admit that Javier would probably have been ''much'' better received as a character if Clementine (and Lee to a lesser extent) hadn't been such a ToughActToFollow as a central protagonist.
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** Kate for being an annoying FlatCharacter who only seems to be around to be one half of a RomanticPlotTumor with Javi. The fact that she [[AntiRoleModel has smoked marijuana in front of her kids when she thought they weren't looking]] (even once in the same vehicle as them!) and is [[YourCheatingHeart heavily implied to be pursuing a romance with Javi before the zombie outbreak and while married to David]] makes it worse.

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** Kate for being an annoying FlatCharacter who only seems to be around to be one half of a RomanticPlotTumor with Javi. The fact that she [[AntiRoleModel has smoked marijuana in front of her kids when she thought they weren't looking]] (even once in the same vehicle as them!) and is [[YourCheatingHeart heavily implied to be pursuing a romance with Javi before the zombie outbreak and while married to David]] David makes it worse.



** Javi and Kate from season 3. From the start, it's fairly obvious the story wants the two paired off. The only issues being the fanbase [[BaseBreakingCharacter doesn't exactly like either one of them]], and their romantic chemistry is minimal to nil at best (not to mention that [[YourCheatingHeart Kate is still married to David]]).

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** Javi and Kate from season 3. From the start, it's fairly obvious the story wants the two paired off. The only issues being the fanbase [[BaseBreakingCharacter doesn't exactly like either one of them]], and their romantic chemistry is minimal to nil at best (not to mention that [[YourCheatingHeart Kate is still married to David]]).David).

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* EightDeadlyWords: While previous seasons have gotten this criticism, season 3 is often considered the worst offender. A good majority of the cast can come off as irrational jerkasses who never treat you kindly no matter how nice you are to them, and the family you're meant to care about rarely if ever show any meaningful kindness or decency towards Javi, which can make it nearly impossible to really form any type of attachment to them, much less sentimental.
* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Jesus has already gained this status as well since he's a major comic character (already considered an EnsembleDarkhorse in both the show and comic) to finally interact with the game cast and shows off his badass fighting moves to cover for the player. For bonus points, he's also voiced by [[Franchise/MassEffect Garrus Vakarian]].
** Mariana Garcia is very liked amongst the fandom, many people saying that they really enjoyed her adorkable and carefree attitude which is very reminiscent of Clementine herself, also putting the fact that she has absolutely hilarious moments in her screentime and being genuinely kind to Javi unlike the rest of his family, this in turn is what made so many people pissed off when they [[spoiler: unceremoniously killed her off at the end of the first episode.]]
** Conrad became well-liked by the fans after episode 2 in which he becomes determinant, because unlike every other Telltale game in which determinant characters tend to die quickly, not only can he survive several determinant deaths (thereby making him the first to survive so long) but his added depth, CharacterDevelopment (unlike the rest of the new cast) and a fairly important role in the rest of the game has earned him a lot of love, perhaps even more so than the other members of the cast (excluding Clementine of course.)

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* EightDeadlyWords: While previous seasons have gotten this criticism, season Season 3 is often considered the worst offender. A good majority of the cast can come off as irrational jerkasses who never treat you kindly no matter how nice you are to them, and the family you're meant to care about rarely if ever show any meaningful kindness or decency towards Javi, which can make it nearly impossible to really form any type of attachment to them, much less sentimental.
* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Jesus has already gained this status as well since he's a major comic character (already considered an EnsembleDarkhorse in both the show and comic) to finally interact with the game cast and shows off his badass fighting moves to cover for the player. For bonus points, he's also voiced by [[Franchise/MassEffect Garrus Vakarian]].
** Mariana Garcia is very liked amongst the fandom, many people saying that they really enjoyed her adorkable and carefree attitude which is very reminiscent of Clementine herself, also putting the fact that she has absolutely hilarious moments in her screentime and being genuinely kind to Javi unlike the rest of his family, this in turn is what made so many people pissed off when they [[spoiler: unceremoniously killed her off at the end of the first episode.]]
** Conrad became well-liked by the fans after episode 2 in which he becomes determinant, because unlike every other Telltale game in which determinant characters tend to die quickly, not only can he survive several determinant deaths (thereby making him the first to survive so long) but his added depth, CharacterDevelopment (unlike the rest of the new cast) and a fairly important role in the rest of the game has earned him a lot of love, perhaps even more so than the other members of the cast (excluding Clementine of course.)
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** [[MookLieutenant Badger]] is a barbaric {{sadist}} gleefully raiding settlements for the aforementioned Joan, while hoarding the stolen supplies from the New Frontier. Encountering the Garcia family, Badger shoots at them, personally killing Javi's niece, [[WouldHurtAChild Mariana]], and demands the community Prescott hand over Javi by taking one of their women and [[{{Fingore}} cutting off her fingers]] one-by-one before killing her, regardless if Javi surrenders himself or not. Badger would then attempt to kill Javi despite his allies' protests and would drive a truck filled with walkers into Prescott, killing almost everyone there. Attempting to kill Javi and his group once more, Badger says he wished he knew Javi was David's brother so he could kill him in a more gruesome manner and shows no remorse for killing David's daughter, who Badger calls "[[SpeakIllOfTheDead a little bitch]]".

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** [[MookLieutenant Badger]] is a barbaric {{sadist}} gleefully raiding settlements for the aforementioned Joan, while hoarding the stolen supplies from the New Frontier. Encountering the Garcia family, Badger shoots at them, personally killing Javi's niece, [[WouldHurtAChild Mariana]], and demands the community Prescott hand over Javi by taking one of their women and [[{{Fingore}} cutting off her fingers]] one-by-one before killing her, regardless if Javi surrenders himself or not. Badger would then attempt to kill Javi despite his allies' protests and would drive a truck filled with walkers into Prescott, killing almost everyone there. Attempting to kill Javi and his group once more, Badger says he wished he knew Javi was David's brother so he could kill him in a more gruesome manner and shows no remorse for killing David's daughter, who Badger calls "[[SpeakIllOfTheDead a little bitch]]".

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