History YMMV / TheWalkingDeadSeasonThree

* EightDeadlyWords: While previous seasons have gotten this criticism, season 3 is often considered the worst offender. A good majority of the cast can come off as irrational jerkasses who never treat you kindly no matter how nice you are to them, and the family you're meant to care about rarely if ever show any meaningful kindness or decency towards Javi, which can make it nearly impossible to really form an attachment to them.

** Conrad became well-liked by the fans after episode 2 in which he becomes determinant, because unlike every other Telltale game in which determinant characters tend to die quickly, not only can he survive several determinant deaths (thereby making him the first to survive so long) but his added depth, CharacterDevelopment (unlike the rest of the new cast) and a fairly important role in the rest of the game has earned him a lot of love.

** In season 3 episode 4, there's a part where Javier and Gabriel can be spotted by a bearded guy in a baseball cap who doesn't say anything, but completely nonchalantly shoots them down with a tiny smile and even raising his eyebrows as he does so. It's so random and bizarre that it becomes hilarious. The pair from ''WebVideo/VideoGamesAwesome'' for instance [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa4QFAjaFEs completely cracked up at said part.]]

** Gabriel García, also known as Gabe is hated by the players due to his moody teenage personality that makes fans think he's unoriginal and annoying, his tendency to not listen and complain all the time, his extremely disliked ShipTease with Clementine and probably worst of all: determinately snitching on Javier by revealing to Tripp and Eleanor that Javier shot Conrad causing a rift in the group.
** David Garcia eventually fell to this territory in the later episodes due to his uncaring, hypocritical, and downright irrational behavior, with him just coming off as more abrasive and falling heavily into too dumb to live territory, the fact that the game tries to make you empathize with him while he treats you horrifically regardless of your actions just made it even worse. [[spoiler:Then there are those who hated him for his InsaneTrollLogic for separating Clementine from AJ.]]
** Tripp has gotten some of this for his petty behavior and constant RomanticPlotTumor with Eleanor, his tendency to screw things up and jump to conclusions at the worst times made many people consider him, alongside the good majority of the New Frontier cast, as one of the most annoying characters in the game.

** Episode 5 of ''A New Frontier'' also gives you the option to blame Eleanor for getting [[spoiler:Ava or Tripp]] killed, and refusing to forgive her.

* DesignatedHero: While the Garcia family as a whole can be considered this (excluding Javi), David Garcia is easily the most infamous: He’s abrasive, ungrateful, petty, hypocritical, and is overall a massive liability, all of his scenes include him abusing Javi over petty anger, yelling at his wife over relatively small ordeals and acting like he’s the only responsible one in the family, even though everything he does proves the exact opposite.
** In episodes 3 and 4 it just gets worse, as he was perfectly willing to abandon Javi without putting any consideration to his needs and acting like Kate and Gabe aren’t a part of his family. It’s revealed in the same episode that he took AJ away from Clementine for stealing medicine.
*** In episode 4, he berates Javi for being a selfish prick who doesn’t know shit about family, even though he was more than willing to neglect his own family over his personal needs in that same scenario. Later on, if you try to save him, he proceeds to kill Clint, who offered the chance to leave peacefully. All of this alongside the fact that the game seems to want you to feel sorry for him when he dies made him become hated by a good majority of the fanbase.

* AuthorsSavingThrow: The fate of [[spoiler: Conrad]] has been this for some people. A lot of people have complained about the lack of impact your choices ultimately have on the outcome of a game, and characters you can save will die one or two episode later anyway. However, ever since episode 2, [[spoiler: Conrad]] can potentially die depending on the choices made, so players have stated they feel that the choices that keep him alive really ''do'' have an impact.

* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The start of Season Three can cause this, as Clementine's life got steadily worse and worse, to the point she isn't even the main character anymore.
** Season 3, while it did help remove some of this trope, still was guilty of it, a good majority of the characters came off as irrational jerkasses who never treat you kindly no matter how nice you are to them, the family you're meant to care about rarely if ever show any meaningful kindness or decency towards Javi, which can make it nearly impossible to really grow an attachment for them, Clementine herself is no longer the protagonist and all the efforts she went through in the previous seasons have become meaningless since the season 2 endings were made pointless since whoever you stuck with ends up getting killed in a poorly handled manner.

* MoralEventHorizon: Badger crosses this when he [[spoiler:shoots Mariana in the head, killing her, and even going as far to say that he enjoyed it.]]

* UncannyValley: Season 3 has a much more realistic design for the characters than the first two seasons. While the art itself is far from bad, there are flashbacks to Season 2 times (that is to say, only a month or two after the season's ending) that [[spoiler:update Clementine, Jane, and Kenny for the art style. Seeing them go from slightly-comic-book-cartoonish to very realistic is pretty unsettling.]]

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Some fans didn't feel sad about [[spoiler: David's death]] since many felt he was an irrational {{jerkass}} whose own stupidity eventually caused his own death. This isn't helped that his relationship with Javier comes across as abusive and he actually considered abandoning his own family a long time before the apocalypse. While a good majority chose to say I love you to David instead of fighting, most of them have said they only did out of their fathers promise rather than actually caring about David, many of them even stating they would’ve fought him otherwise. [[spoiler: In the ending where Kate and Gabe live, but he dies, both Kate and Javier seem to agree that his death was his own fault.]]

** Most of the Season 3 cast (aside from [[EnsembleDarkhorse Jesus]]) either for being dull and underdeveloped or for being [[JerkAss outright jerkasses]] or both. As of the finale's release pretty much every let's play on Website/YouTube will have several top comments confessing that they only care about Clementine and [[EightDeadlyWords none of the new cast]].

** [[MookLieutenant Badger]] is a barbaric {{sadist}} gleefully raiding settlements for the aforementioned Joan, while hoarding the stolen supplies from the New Frontier. Encountering the Garcia family, Badger shoots at them, personally killing Javi's niece, [[WouldHurtAChild Mariana]], and demands the community Prescott hand over Javi by taking one of their women and [[{{Fingore}} cutting off her fingers]] one-by-one before killing her, regardless if Javi surrenders himself or not. Badger would then attempt to kill Javi despite his allies' protests and would drive a truck filled with walkers into Prescott, killing almost everyone there. Attempting to kill Javi and his group once more, Badger says he wished he knew Javi was David's brother so he could kill him in a more gruesome manner and shows no remorse for killing David's daughter whom Badger calls "[[SpeakIllOfTheDead a little bitch]]".

* CompleteMonster: [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist Joan]] initially appears to be a reasonable leader in the New Frontier's leadership council, claiming to be looking out for the city of Richmond, but is, in fact, a ControlFreak and shadow dictator who is responsible for raids that she orders behind the backs of the other leaders. These raids entail shooting up and setting zombies loose on other settlements, wiping them out and stealing supplies that the New Frontier doesn't actually need. These include the destruction of Prescott and the murder of young Mariana Garcia. When Javi, David and their friends learn she is behind the raids and expose her, Joan spins things around in order to get David and Javi arrested; if their only witness is killed Joan will accuse David of these raids. If called out for her responsibility in Mariana's death, Joan responds with a sarcastic apology. Joan prepares to make a big show of executing David and when Javi confronts her; she reveals she also took Javi's friends Tripp and Ava hostage to [[SadisticChoice force him to choose]] who to spare, spitefully killing whomever Javi tries to save (Tripp or Ava). When she gets called out on how this isn't the way the New Frontier does things, Joan declares [[ItsAllAboutMe she can do anything she wants]], and only entertains the idea of exiling Javi and his friend because there is a massive herd of zombies outside the city walls.

** [[spoiler: And to top this off the next season has Louis and Violet, who were more likable and better developed characters that show better chemistry with Clem.]]

* CompleteMonster:
** [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist Joan]] initially appears to be a reasonable leader in the New Frontier's leadership council, claiming to be looking out for the city of Richmond, but is, in fact, a ControlFreak and shadow dictator who is responsible for raids that she orders behind the backs of the other leaders. These raids entail shooting up and setting zombies loose on other settlements, wiping them out and stealing supplies that the New Frontier doesn't actually need. These include the destruction of Prescott and the murder of young Mariana Garcia. When Javi, David and their friends learn she is behind the raids and expose her, Joan spins things around in order to get David and Javi arrested; if their only witness is killed Joan will accuse David of these raids. If called out for her responsibility in Mariana's death, Joan responds with a sarcastic apology. Joan prepares to make a big show of executing David and when Javi confronts her; she reveals she also took Javi's friends Tripp and Ava hostage to [[SadisticChoice force him to choose]] who to spare, spitefully killing whomever Javi tries to save (Tripp or Ava). When she gets called out on how this isn't the way the New Frontier does things, Joan declares [[ItsAllAboutMe she can do anything she wants]], and only entertains the idea of exiling Javi and his friend because there is a massive herd of zombies outside the city walls.
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* [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist Joan]] initially appears to be a reasonable leader in the New Frontier's leadership council, claiming to be looking out for the city of Richmond, but is, in fact, a ControlFreak and shadow dictator who is responsible for raids that she orders behind the backs of the other leaders. These raids entail shooting up and setting zombies loose on other settlements, wiping them out and stealing supplies that the New Frontier doesn't actually need. These include the destruction of Prescott and the murder of young Mariana Garcia. When Javi, David and their friends learn she is behind the raids and expose her, Joan spins things around in order to get David and Javi arrested; if their only witness is killed Joan will accuse David of these raids. If called out for her responsibility in Mariana's death, Joan responds with a sarcastic apology. Joan prepares to make a big show of executing David and when Javi confronts her; she reveals she also took Javi's friends Tripp and Ava hostage to [[SadisticChoice force him to choose]] who to spare, spitefully killing whomever Javi tries to save (Tripp or Ava). When she gets called out on how this isn't the way the New Frontier does things, Joan declares [[ItsAllAboutMe she can do anything she wants]], and only entertains the idea of exiling Javi and his friend because there is a massive herd of zombies outside the city walls.
* Badger: someone please fill out this more

* CompleteMonster: [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist Joan]] initially appears to be a reasonable leader in the New Frontier's leadership council, claiming to be looking out for the city of Richmond, but is, in fact, a ControlFreak and shadow dictator who is responsible for raids that she orders behind the backs of the other leaders. These raids entail shooting up and setting zombies loose on other settlements, wiping them out and stealing supplies that the New Frontier doesn't actually need. These include the destruction of Prescott and the murder of young Mariana Garcia. When Javi, David and their friends learn she is behind the raids and expose her, Joan spins things around in order to get David and Javi arrested; if their only witness is killed Joan will accuse David of these raids. If called out for her responsibility in Mariana's death, Joan responds with a sarcastic apology. Joan prepares to make a big show of executing David and when Javi confronts her; she reveals she also took Javi's friends Tripp and Ava hostage to [[SadisticChoice force him to choose]] who to spare, spitefully killing whomever Javi tries to save (Tripp or Ava). When she gets called out on how this isn't the way the New Frontier does things, Joan declares [[ItsAllAboutMe she can do anything she wants]], and only entertains the idea of exiling Javi and his friend because there is a massive herd of zombies outside the city walls.

** After the InternetBackdraft that resulted from [[spoiler: Kenny and Jane's brief and unceremonious death scenes]] back in Episode 1 Telltale added additional flashbacks in Episode 4 with the characters in question that give them some extra moments with Clementine as well as a little more [[CharacterDevelopment character development]].

** The "Tell him off" option in episode 2 of season 3 has gotten this reaction, the main reason being that instead of Javier actually telling off David, Javier ''tells him that Kate wants to leave him'', which caused many to cite it as one of the most infamously misleading choices next to [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/TheWolfAmongUs "Glass him"]].

** Javier Garcia being the playable character of Season 3 instead of Clementine. The fan's opinion on him is divided. Some players hate him for replacing Clementine as the main protagonist and doesn't find him as interesting. While others consider him a refreshing and likeable new protagonist.
** David García, fans either hate him for his JerkAss tendencies, temper outburst and the judgemental way he treats his brother Javier or like him for his PetTheDog moments, three-dimensional personality and his (determinant) bond with Javi, thinking he's more interesting than most of the cast. Unfortunately, later episodes caused him to lose a good majority of his fans.

** [[spoiler: Kenny]] prompting the inexperienced Clementine to speed up when teaching her how to drive, with both of them not wearing seat belts, ''with baby A.J. riding with them in the car'', and then taking control of the steering wheel by force to swerve when she hits a lone walker on the road while speeding instead of commanding her to hit the breaks. This results in [[spoiler: Kenny's]] death as they are catapulted through the windscreen upon impact, breaking their spine upon crashing to the ground, and then being devoured by walkers shortly afterwards.

** David Garcia eventually fell to this territory in the later episodes due to his uncaring, hypocritical, and downright irrational behavior, with him just coming off as more abrasive and falling heavily into too dumb to live territory, the fact that the game tries to make you empathize with him while he treats you horrifically regardless of your actions just made it even worse.

* StrangledByTheRedString: Javi and Kate from season 3. From the start, it's fairly obvious the story wants the two paired off. The only issues being the fanbase [[BaseBreakingCharacter doesn't exactly like either one of them]], and their romantic chemistry is minimal to nil at best (not to mention that [[YourCheatingHeart Kate is still married to David]]).

* WhatAnIdiot: Richmond as a town. If Joan's clandestine and gruesome raids to innocent settlements doesn't upset you enough, [[spoiler: how about Joan double-crossing on the deal to spare a life, and kill whoever Javi chose to spare anyway]]. This town is shockingly spineless about the corruption that Joan glaringly displays. And then when a riot inevitably breaks out, Richmond's own armed members shoot their own civilians that they are organized to protect.

** Potentially David. [[spoiler: After Javi agrees to the feasible deal of choosing exile from Richmond so that their friends and family can leave without further violence, what does David do? He quickly grabs a gun and threatens to kill Clint. A massive problem with this is that Clint was the one to organize this peaceful resolution, and Joan should be the one to persecuted for Richmond's corruption. Instead, David kills Clint after a struggle, which makes his murder come off as grossly injust, since Clint was at least trying to reach a reasonable resolution to Richmond vs Garcia conflict.]]

* AlasPoorScrappy: Even people who have hated Gabe through the entirety of ''A New Frontier'' agree that [[spoiler:his potential death in Episode 5]] is utterly soul crushing.

* AuthorsSavingThrow: The fate of [[spoiler:Conrad]] has been this for some people. A lot of people have complained about the lack of impact your choices ultimately have on the outcome of a game, and characters you can save will die one or two episode later anyway. However, ever since episode 2, [[spoiler:Conrad]] can potentially die depending on the choices made, so players have stated they feel that the choices that keep him alive really ''do'' have an impact.

** Regardless of how many players feel about [[SeasonalRot Season Three]], a lot of players do appreciate that the season did not end on such a dour, depressing note, especially compared to [[DownerEnding Season 2]]. Players also do love that [[spoiler:Conrad]] is capable of surviving all the way up to the end, and that Clementine developed into a more optimistic person.

** Javier Garcia being the playable character of Season 3 instead of Clementine. The fan's opinion on him is divided. Some players hate him for replacing Clementine as the main protagonist and doesn't find him as interesting. While others consider him a refreshing and likable new protagonist.
** David García, fans either hate him for his JerkAss tendencies, temper outburst and the judgemental way he treats his brother Javier or like him for his PetTheDog moments, three-dimensional personality and his (determinant) bond with Javi, thinking he's more interesting than most of the cast. Unfortunately later episodes caused him to lose a good majority of his fans.
* ClicheStorm: Easily one the biggest criticisms of season 3 is that uses every zombie survival story trope imaginable, even using similar storylines that were in the comics and tv show.
* CompleteMonster: [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist Joan]] initially appears to be a reasonable leader in the New Frontier's leadership council, claiming to be looking out for the city of Richmond, but is in fact a ControlFreak and shadow dictator who is responsible for raids that she orders behind the backs of the other leaders. These raids entail shooting up and setting zombies loose on other settlements, wiping them out and stealing supplies that the New Frontier doesn't actually need. These include the destruction of Prescott and the murder of young Mariana Garcia. When Javi, David and their friends learn she is behind the raids and expose her, Joan spins things around in order to get David and Javi arrested; if their only witness is killed Joan will accuse David of these raids. If called out for her responsibility in Mariana's death, Joan responds with a sarcastic apology. Joan prepares to make a big show of executing David and when Javi confronts her; she reveals she also took Javi's friends Tripp and Ava hostage to [[SadisticChoice force him to choose]] who to spare, spitefully killing whomever Javi tries to save (Tripp or Ava). When she gets called out on how this isn't the way the New Frontier does things, Joan declares [[ItsAllAboutMe she can do anything she wants]], and only entertains the idea of exiling Javi and his friend because there is a massive herd of zombies outside the city walls.

** In Season 3 Gabe tries to teach and play Euchre with Clementine. Not only are there twos in his deck which must be removed no matter what type of the game you use, you have to have ''four people'' to play the game.

** Mariana Garcia is very liked amongst the fandom, many people saying that they really enjoyed her adorkable and care free attitude which is very reminiscent of Clementine herself, also putting the fact that she has absolutely hilarious moments in her screentime and being genuinely kind to Javi unlike the rest of his family, this in turn is what made so many people pissed off when they [[spoiler:unceremoniously killed her off in the end of the first episode.]]

** Gabriel García, also known as Gabe is hated by the players due to his moody teenage personality that makes fans think he's unoriginal and annoying, his tendency to not listen and complain all the time, his extremely disliked ShipTease with Clementine and probably worst of all: determinantly snitching on Javier by revealing to Tripp and Eleanor that Javier shot Conrad causing a rift in the group.

* TheScrappy:

* SpecialEffectsFailure: If [[spoiler:Tripp]] dies in Episode 4 of ''A New Frontier'', he reappears in the background anyway in Episode 5 shortly after [[spoiler:Ava]] dies. Apparently the animators forgot to edit him out.

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Some fans didn't feel sad about [[spoiler: David's death]] since many felt he was an irrational, {{jerkass}} whose own stupidity eventually caused his own death. This isn't helped that his relationship with Javier comes across as abusive and he actually considered abandoning his own family a long time before the apocalypse. While a good majority chose to say I love you to David instead of fighting, most of them have said they only did out of their fathers promise rather than actually caring about David, many of them even stating they would’ve fought him otherwise. [[spoiler: In the ending where Kate and Gabe live, but he dies, both Kate and Javier seem to agree that his death was his own fault.]]

* AlasPoorScrappy: Even people who have hated Gabe through the entirety of A New Frontier agree that [[spoiler:his potential death in Episode 5]] is utterly soul crushing.

* AuthorsSavingThrow: The fate of [[spoiler:Conrad]] has been this for some people. A lot of people have complained about the lack of impact your choices ultimately have on the outcome of a game, and characters you can save will die one or two episode later anyway. However, ever since episode 2 of New Frontier, [[spoiler:Conrad]] can potentially die depending on the choices made, so players have stated they feel that the choices that keep him alive really do have an impact.
** After the InternetBackdraft that resulted from [[spoiler: Kenny and Jane's brief and unceremonious death scenes]] back in Episode 1 Telltale added additional flashbacks in Episode 4 with the character's in question that give them some extra moments with Clementine as well as a little more [[CharacterDevelopment character development]].

** David García, fans either hate him for his JerkAss tendencies, temper outburst and the judgemental way he treats his brother Javier or like him for his PetTheDog moments, Three-dimensional personality and his (determinant) bond with Javi, thinking he's more interesting than most of the cast. Unfortunately later episodes caused him to lose a good majority of his fans.
* ClicheStorm: Easily one the biggest criticisms of season 3 is that uses every zombies survival story trope imaginable, even using similar storyline that were in the comics and tv show.
* CompleteMonster:[[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist Joan]] initially appears to be a reasonable leader in the New Frontier's leadership council, claiming to be looking out for the city of Richmond, but is in fact a ControlFreak and shadow dictator who is responsible for raids that she orders behind the backs of the other leaders. These raids entail shooting up and setting zombies loose on other settlements, wiping them out and stealing supplies that the New Frontier doesn't actually need. These include the destruction of Prescott and the murder of young Mariana Garcia. When Javi, David and their friends learn she is behind the raids and expose her, Joan spins things around in order to get David and Javi arrested; if their only witness is killed Joan will accuse David of these raids. If called out for her responsibility in Mariana's death, Joan responds with a sarcastic apology. Joan prepares to make a big show of executing David and when Javi confronts her; she reveals she also took Javi's friends Tripp and Ava hostage to [[SadisticChoice force him to choose]] who to spare, spitefully killing whomever Javi tries to save (Tripp or Ava). When she gets called out on how this isn't the way the New Frontier does things, Joan declares [[ItsAllAboutMe she can do anything she wants]], and only entertains the idea of exiling Javi and his friend because there is a massive herd of zombies outside the city walls.

** In Season 3 Gabe tries to teach and play Euchre with Clementine, not only is there is twos in his deck which must be removed no matter what type of the game you use you have to be ''four to play the game''.

** Season 3, while it did help remove some of this trope, still was guilty of it, a good majority of the characters came off as irrational jerkasses who never treat you kindly no matter how nice you are to them, the family your meant to care for rarely if ever show any kindness or decency towards Javi, which can make it nearly impossible to really grow an attachment for them, Clementine herself is no longer the protagonist and all the efforts she went through in the previous seasons have become meaningless since the season 2 endings were made pointless since whoever you stuck with ends up getting killed in an admittedly poorly handled manner.
* DesignatedHero: In A New Frontier, while the Garcia family as a whole can be considered this (excluding Javi), David Garcia is easily the most infamous: He’s abrasive, ungrateful, petty, hypocritical, and is overall a massive liability, all of his scenes including him abusing Javi over petty anger, yelling at his wife over relatively small ordeals and acting like he’s the only responsible one in the family, even though everything he does proves the exact opposite. In episode 3 and 4 it just gets worse, as he was perfectly willing to abandon Javi without putting any consideration to his needs and acting like Kate and Gabe aren’t a part of his family. It’s revealed in the same episode that he took AJ away from Clementine for stealing medicine. In episode 4, he berates Javi for being a selfish prick who doesn’t know shit about family, even though he was more than willing to neglect his own family over his personal needs in that same scenario. Later on, if you try to save him, he proceeds to kill Clint, who offered the chance to leave peacefully. All of this alongside the fact that the game seems to want you to feel sorry for him when he dies made him become hated by a good majority of the fanbase.

** Mariana Garcia is very liked amongst the fandom, many people saying that they really enjoyed her adorkable and care free attitude which is very reminiscent of Clementine herself, also putting the fact that she has absolutely hilarious moments in her screentime and being genuinely kind to Javi unlike the rest of his family, this in turn is what made so many people pissed off when they unceremoniously killed her off in the end of the first episode.
** Conrad became well-liked by the fans after A New Frontier episode 2 in which he becomes determinant, because unlike every other telltale game in which determinant characters tend to die quickly not only can he survive several determinant deaths thereby making him the first to survive so long but his added depth, CharacterDevelopment unlike the rest of the new cast and a fairly important role in the rest of the game has earned him a lot of love.
* FanPreferredCouple: This happens again in season three, as some fans prefer the pairing Javier/Jesus over Javier/Kate. This is due to the fact that players have an option of flirting with [[EnsembleDarkhorse Jesus]], the confirmation of Javier being bisexual, and because of how poorly received his [[RomanticPlotTumor relationship]] is with [[TheScrappy Kate]].

* HoYay: In the finale to The New Frontier, Javier and Jesus can have a ShipTease moment. However Javier treats it is up to the player's response.
* IdiotPlot: One of the biggest criticisms of the New Frontier is that everyone ignores the most sensible things in favor of the things that would cause the most drama.
* ItsShortSoItSucks: ''A New Frontier'' has also caught this problem too, as many players complain how the story is sped through so fast that there isn't time to get attached to the characters.
* JerkassWoobie: David.

** The [tell him off] option in episode 2 of season 3 has gotten this reaction, the main reason being that instead of Javier actually telling off David, Javier tells him that Kate wants to leave him, which caused many to cite it as one of the most infamously misleading choices.

* Its ShortSoItSucks: ''A New Frontier'' has also caught this problem too, as many players complain how the story is sped through so fast that there isn't time to get attached to the characters.

* RomanticPlotTumor: Javier and Kate's relationship takes up a lot of screen time in ''A New Frontier''. The fact that both are [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base Breakers]] doesn't help.