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** The big sign to the heroes that something is off about [[spoiler:the brainwashed Rillian]] is that he's so submissive towards a woman. Even more gratingly, ''Jill'' is the one who points it out, saying people in our world don't think much of men like that.
*** Then again, while being [[CourtlyLove in love with and obedient to]] a lady you consider wise is quite knightly, being completely on board with your beloved's EvilPlan, never even trying to question it, and amusedly wondering ''how hilarious it will be when you suprise people and slaughter them'' is not. The knight in question frankly seems to have left his brains at home in this scene, which is never commendable. Possibly justified by the fact that [[spoiler: the guy ''was'' brainwashed!]]

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** The big sign to the heroes that something is off about [[spoiler:the brainwashed Rillian]] Rilian]] is that he's so submissive towards a woman. Even more gratingly, ''Jill'' is the one who points it out, saying people in our world don't think much of men like that.
*** Then again, while being [[CourtlyLove in love with and obedient to]] a lady you consider wise is quite knightly, being completely on board with your beloved's EvilPlan, never even trying to question it, and amusedly wondering ''how hilarious it will be when you suprise surprise people and slaughter them'' is not. The knight in question frankly seems to have left his brains at home in this scene, which is never commendable. Possibly justified by the fact that [[spoiler: the guy ''was'' brainwashed!]]
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Moving the Applicability example to the main page as Allegory because this is likely very much intentional: C.S. Lewis is himself an atheist who converted to Anglicanism as an adult and is known for his Christian apologetics pieces.


* {{Applicability}}: The Lady of the Green Kirtle, ruler of Underland, uses genuine atheist arguments. Combined with her magic, she persuades the heroes that there is no Aslan (God). They have conceived of the great lion Aslan merely because they have seen a cat and imagined something greater. Likewise, they have conceived of the Sun merely because they have seen a lamp and imagined something greater. The fact they can only describe them by reference to other things is proof enough they do not actually ''exist'', and in fact never existed. Best to put aside such childish fantasies and comforting delusions and live in the ''real'' world. Considering her [[AnimalMotifs association with snakes]], WordOfGod connection to [[SatanicArchetype Jadis]], and the fact that she ''knows'' those things do exist, having been to the upper world herself, she could be considered a SatanicArchetype or similar representation of demon-suggested doubts.
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* FridgeBrilliance:
** At the beginning of the story, Caspian is going to find Aslan and ask him what to do about his successor, given that his son and heir has been missing for years. When Jill meets Aslan for the first time, he tells her that he has been calling her and Eustace since before they called to him, and he then gives her the mission of finding Prince Rilian. Aslan was planning the answer before Caspian had even asked the question![[note]]Given that Aslan is meant to represent Jesus, Lewis may have intended this realization.[[/note]]
** The Lady of the Green Kirtle's clothing, and later her appearance as the serpent, are described as "green as poison." This always seemed like an odd simile... until one remembers that ''arsenic'' was often used in the dyeing of (green) garments and wallpaper during Victorian times.
** GeniusBonus: The "ettin" in Ettinsmoor is an archaic word for giant. Furthermore, it's derived from Proto-Germanic "etunaz" (giant), which seems to have been related to the Proto-Germanic "etanÄ…" (to eat).
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* OlderThanTheyThink: The Lady of the Green Kirtle is often called the Green Lady, the Green Witch and the Emerald Witch, despite none of those appellations appearing in the book's text. However, the last nickname is actually semi-official: the back cover synopsis of each of the Collier Books editions of ''The Chronicles of Narnia'' (first published in 1970) do make reference to Rilian's escape from the "Emerald Witch"'s underground kingdom.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: The Lady of the Green Kirtle is often called the Green Lady, the Green Witch and the Emerald Witch, despite none of those appellations appearing in the book's text. However, the last nickname is actually semi-official: the back cover synopsis synopses of each of the Collier Books editions of ''The Chronicles of Narnia'' (first published in 1970) do make reference to Rilian's escape from the "Emerald Witch"'s underground kingdom.
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* CompleteMonster: [[TheSpook The Lady of the Green Kirtle]], or the Green Lady, is a powerful [[WickedWitch witch]] with a specialty in MindManipulation, a desire to rule over Narnia, and not even an ounce of morality. After arriving in the country, she assassinates the beloved queen. When Prince Rilian comes to avenge his mother, the Green Lady captures him and {{mind rape}}s him for six years until he is nothing more than her brain-dead servant and forced husband. In addition, she performs the same dark magic on gnomes from the Deep Realm, forcing thousands of otherwise good people into being her slaves who are allowed to do nothing but build her underground castle for years. When the heroes arrive in Narnia to try to rescue the Prince, she misdirects them into a pack of [[ToServeMan man-eating]] giants, fully intending for the three heroes, [[WouldHurtAChild two of whom are children]], to be brutally murdered and eaten. After the heroes manage to escape and confront her in her lair, she attempts to {{brainwash|ed}} them too, only to [[VillainousBreakdown go ballistic]] when the hypnosis fails, at which point she tries to kill them and thousands of gnomes and other innocent creatures living underground.

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* CompleteMonster: [[TheSpook The Lady of the Green Kirtle]], or the Green Lady, is a powerful [[WickedWitch witch]] with a specialty in MindManipulation, a desire to rule over Narnia, and not even an ounce of morality. After arriving in the country, she assassinates the beloved queen. When Prince Rilian comes to avenge his mother, the Green Lady captures him and {{mind rape}}s him for six years until he is nothing more than her brain-dead servant and forced husband.husband-to-be. In addition, she performs the same dark magic on gnomes from the Deep Realm, forcing thousands of otherwise good people into being her slaves who are allowed to do nothing but build her underground castle for years. When the heroes arrive in Narnia to try to rescue the Prince, she misdirects them into a pack of [[ToServeMan man-eating]] giants, fully intending for the three heroes, [[WouldHurtAChild two of whom are children]], to be brutally murdered and eaten. After the heroes manage to escape and confront her in her lair, she attempts to {{brainwash|ed}} them too, only to [[VillainousBreakdown go ballistic]] when the hypnosis fails, at which point she tries to kill them and thousands of gnomes and other innocent creatures living underground.
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* AluminumChristmasTrees: The chapter 'A Parliament of Owls' appears to be named in accordance with the owls' name for their secret meeting, but it's also the real life term for a group of owls.
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*** Then again, while being [[CourtlyLove in love with and obedient to]] a lady you consider wise is quite knightly, being completely on board with your beloved's EvilPlan, never even trying to question it, and amusedly wondering ''how hilarious it will be when you suprise people and slaughter them'' is not. The knight in question frankly seems to have left his brains at home in this scene, which is never commendable.

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*** Then again, while being [[CourtlyLove in love with and obedient to]] a lady you consider wise is quite knightly, being completely on board with your beloved's EvilPlan, never even trying to question it, and amusedly wondering ''how hilarious it will be when you suprise people and slaughter them'' is not. The knight in question frankly seems to have left his brains at home in this scene, which is never commendable. Possibly justified by the fact that [[spoiler: the guy ''was'' brainwashed!]]
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* {{Applicability}}: The Lady of the Green Kirtle, ruler of Underland, uses genuine atheist arguments. Combined with her magic, she persuades the heroes that there is no Aslan (God). They have conceived of the great lion Aslan merely because they have seen a cat and imagined something greater. Likewise, they have conceived of the Sun merely because they have seen a lamp and imagined something greater. These things do not actually ''exist'', and in fact never existed. Best to put aside such childish fantasies and comforting delusions and live in the ''real'' world. Considering her [[AnimalMotifs association with snakes]], WordOfGod connection to [[SatanicArchetype Jadis]], and the fact that she ''knows'' those things do exist, having been to the upper world herself, she could be considered a SatanicArchetype or similar representation of demon-suggested doubts.

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* {{Applicability}}: The Lady of the Green Kirtle, ruler of Underland, uses genuine atheist arguments. Combined with her magic, she persuades the heroes that there is no Aslan (God). They have conceived of the great lion Aslan merely because they have seen a cat and imagined something greater. Likewise, they have conceived of the Sun merely because they have seen a lamp and imagined something greater. These The fact they can only describe them by reference to other things is proof enough they do not actually ''exist'', and in fact never existed. Best to put aside such childish fantasies and comforting delusions and live in the ''real'' world. Considering her [[AnimalMotifs association with snakes]], WordOfGod connection to [[SatanicArchetype Jadis]], and the fact that she ''knows'' those things do exist, having been to the upper world herself, she could be considered a SatanicArchetype or similar representation of demon-suggested doubts.
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* {{Applicability}}: The Lady of the Green Kirtle uses genuine atheist arguments -- Aslan is merely suggested in the mind by her cat as is the Sun by her lamp, the upper world is just a pacifying fantasy, etc. -- to try and persuade the heroes that there is no Aslan (God) and there is no Narnia (Heaven). Considering her [[AnimalMotifs association with snakes]], WordOfGod connection to [[SatanicArchetype Jadis]], and the fact that she ''knows'' those things do exist, having been to the upper world herself, she could be considered a SatanicArchetype or similar representation of demon-suggested doubts.

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* {{Applicability}}: The Lady of the Green Kirtle Kirtle, ruler of Underland, uses genuine atheist arguments -- Aslan is merely suggested in the mind by arguments. Combined with her cat as is the Sun by her lamp, the upper world is just a pacifying fantasy, etc. -- to try and persuade magic, she persuades the heroes that there is no Aslan (God) (God). They have conceived of the great lion Aslan merely because they have seen a cat and there is no Narnia (Heaven).imagined something greater. Likewise, they have conceived of the Sun merely because they have seen a lamp and imagined something greater. These things do not actually ''exist'', and in fact never existed. Best to put aside such childish fantasies and comforting delusions and live in the ''real'' world. Considering her [[AnimalMotifs association with snakes]], WordOfGod connection to [[SatanicArchetype Jadis]], and the fact that she ''knows'' those things do exist, having been to the upper world herself, she could be considered a SatanicArchetype or similar representation of demon-suggested doubts.
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*** Then again, while being [[CourtlyLove in love with and obedient to]] a lady you consider wise is quite knightly, being completely on board with your beloved's EvilPlan, never even trying to question it, and amusedly wondering ''how hilarious it will be when you suprise people and slaughter them'' is not. The knight in question frankly seems to have left his brains at home in this scene, which is never commendable.
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* CompleteMonster: The [[BigBad Lady of the Green Kirtle, or Green Lady]], is a powerful [[WickedWitch witch]] with a specialty in MindManipulation, a desire to rule over Narnia, and not even an ounce of morality. After arriving in the country, she assassinates the beloved queen. When Prince Rilian comes to avenge his mother, [[spoiler:the Green Lady captures him and {{mind rape}}s him for ten years until he is nothing more than her brain-dead servant and forced husband. In addition, she performs the same dark magic on gnomes from the Deep Realm, forcing thousands of otherwise good people into being her slaves who are allowed to do nothing but build her underground castle for years.]] When the heroes arrive in Narnia to try to rescue the Prince, she misdirects them into a pack of man-eating giants, fully intending for the three heroes, two of which are children, to be brutally murdered and eaten. After the heroes manage to escape and confront her in her lair, she attempts to {{brainwash|ed}} them too, only to [[VillainousBreakdown go ballistic]] when the hypnosis fails, at which point she tries to kill them and thousands of gnomes and other innocent creatures living underground.

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* CompleteMonster: [[TheSpook The [[BigBad Lady of the Green Kirtle, Kirtle]], or the Green Lady]], Lady, is a powerful [[WickedWitch witch]] with a specialty in MindManipulation, a desire to rule over Narnia, and not even an ounce of morality. After arriving in the country, she assassinates the beloved queen. When Prince Rilian comes to avenge his mother, [[spoiler:the the Green Lady captures him and {{mind rape}}s him for ten six years until he is nothing more than her brain-dead servant and forced husband. In addition, she performs the same dark magic on gnomes from the Deep Realm, forcing thousands of otherwise good people into being her slaves who are allowed to do nothing but build her underground castle for years.]] When the heroes arrive in Narnia to try to rescue the Prince, she misdirects them into a pack of man-eating [[ToServeMan man-eating]] giants, fully intending for the three heroes, [[WouldHurtAChild two of which whom are children, children]], to be brutally murdered and eaten. After the heroes manage to escape and confront her in her lair, she attempts to {{brainwash|ed}} them too, only to [[VillainousBreakdown go ballistic]] when the hypnosis fails, at which point she tries to kill them and thousands of gnomes and other innocent creatures living underground.
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* WhatAnIdiot: On hearing the story of Rilian's mother's death from Glimfeather, Jill is perceptive enough to realize that the beautiful woman and the deadly snake are one and the same. Later on the trip, when they come across the Lady of the GREEN Kirtle riding her horse in the middle of nowhere, Jill remains totally unsuspicious.
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Expanding on Applicability; there's a rule somewhere that you can't have two tropes listed next to each other.


* {{Applicability}}: The Lady of the Green Kirtle uses genuine atheist arguments -- Aslan is merely suggested in the mind by her cat as is the Sun by her lamp, the upper world is just a pacifying fantasy, etc. -- to try and persuade the heroes that there is no Aslan (God) and there is no Narnia (Heaven). She could also be considered a SatanicArchetype.
* CompleteMonster: The [[BigBad Lady of the Green Kirtle, or Green Lady]], is a powerful [[WickedWitch witch]] with a specialty in MindManipulation, a desire to rule over Narnia, and not even an ounce of morality. After arriving in the country, she assassinates the beloved queen. When Prince Rilian comes to avenge his mother, the Green Lady captures him and {{mind rape}}s him for six years until he is nothing more than her brain-dead servant and forced husband. In addition, she performs the same dark magic on gnomes from the Deep Realm, forcing thousands of otherwise good people into being her slaves who are allowed to do nothing but build her underground castle for years. When the heroes arrive in Narnia to try to rescue the Prince, she misdirects them into a pack of man-eating giants, fully intending for the three heroes, two of which are children, to be brutally murdered and eaten. After the heroes manage to escape and confront her in her lair, she attempts to {{brainwash|ed}} them too, only to [[VillainousBreakdown go ballistic]] when the hypnosis fails, at which point she tries to kill them and thousands of gnomes and other innocent creatures living underground.

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* {{Applicability}}: The Lady of the Green Kirtle uses genuine atheist arguments -- Aslan is merely suggested in the mind by her cat as is the Sun by her lamp, the upper world is just a pacifying fantasy, etc. -- to try and persuade the heroes that there is no Aslan (God) and there is no Narnia (Heaven). She Considering her [[AnimalMotifs association with snakes]], WordOfGod connection to [[SatanicArchetype Jadis]], and the fact that she ''knows'' those things do exist, having been to the upper world herself, she could also be considered a SatanicArchetype.
SatanicArchetype or similar representation of demon-suggested doubts.
* CompleteMonster: The [[BigBad Lady of the Green Kirtle, or Green Lady]], is a powerful [[WickedWitch witch]] with a specialty in MindManipulation, a desire to rule over Narnia, and not even an ounce of morality. After arriving in the country, she assassinates the beloved queen. When Prince Rilian comes to avenge his mother, the [[spoiler:the Green Lady captures him and {{mind rape}}s him for six ten years until he is nothing more than her brain-dead servant and forced husband. In addition, she performs the same dark magic on gnomes from the Deep Realm, forcing thousands of otherwise good people into being her slaves who are allowed to do nothing but build her underground castle for years. ]] When the heroes arrive in Narnia to try to rescue the Prince, she misdirects them into a pack of man-eating giants, fully intending for the three heroes, two of which are children, to be brutally murdered and eaten. After the heroes manage to escape and confront her in her lair, she attempts to {{brainwash|ed}} them too, only to [[VillainousBreakdown go ballistic]] when the hypnosis fails, at which point she tries to kill them and thousands of gnomes and other innocent creatures living underground.



* EpilepticTrees[=/=]FanficFuel: What exactly the Lady of the Green Kirtle ''is''. At first she was said to be another witch along the lines of the White Witch. Then we found out in ''The Magician's Nephew'' that the White Witch was the only survivor of a destroyed universe, so the Lady of the Green Kirtle couldn't have come from there. So who is she and where did she come from? For the movies, WordOfGod says that she is the source of the green mist added in the film version of ''Literature/TheVoyageOfTheDawnTreader'', which was meant to foreshadow her role in the next story.

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* EpilepticTrees[=/=]FanficFuel: EpilepticTrees: What exactly the Lady of the Green Kirtle ''is''. At first she was said to be another witch along the lines of the White Witch. Then we found out in ''The Magician's Nephew'' that the White Witch was the only survivor of a destroyed universe, so the Lady of the Green Kirtle couldn't have come from there. So who is she and where did she come from? For the movies, WordOfGod says that she is the source of the green mist added in the film version of ''Literature/TheVoyageOfTheDawnTreader'', which was meant to foreshadow her role in the next story.



** The big sign to the heroes that something is off about the brainwashed Rillian is that he's so submissive towards a woman. Even more gratingly, ''Jill'' is the one who points it out, saying people in our world don't think much of men like that.

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** The big sign to the heroes that something is off about the [[spoiler:the brainwashed Rillian Rillian]] is that he's so submissive towards a woman. Even more gratingly, ''Jill'' is the one who points it out, saying people in our world don't think much of men like that.



** The book also averts DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale, depicting Rilian's seduction, abduction, brainwashing, and forced marriage as clearly horrific.

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** The book also averts DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale, depicting Rilian's [[spoiler:Rilian's]] seduction, abduction, brainwashing, and forced marriage as clearly horrific.

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* ValuesDissonance: It's not by far the only thing he bashes [[BoardingSchoolOfHorrors Experiment House]] for, nor even close to what is considered worst about it, but Lewis seems to have problems with secular and gender-integrated education. It's also likely shaped by his own negative experiences in a boarding school as a kid.

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It's not by far the only thing he bashes [[BoardingSchoolOfHorrors Experiment House]] for, nor even close to what is considered worst about it, but Lewis seems to have problems with secular and gender-integrated education. It's also likely shaped by his own negative experiences in a boarding school as a kid.kid.
** The big sign to the heroes that something is off about the brainwashed Rillian is that he's so submissive towards a woman. Even more gratingly, ''Jill'' is the one who points it out, saying people in our world don't think much of men like that.

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