History YMMV / TheLoudHouseS2E8NoSuchLuckFrogWild

* AccidentalAesop: Although fans hated this episode due to the cruel treatment given to Lincoln by his family, it can be said that the episode, in the dark way it was conceived, has two valuable lessons. The first is that superstition is idiocy, and that taking this talk of luck and bad luck seriously can actually have devastating consequences (see the Salem witch burnings or the indiscriminate hunting of the aye-aye). The second is that lying is never healthy, and that the best weapon to solve problems is always dialogue.

** Do Lincoln's parents really believe that he brings bad luck? Or are they just terrified of berating their own daughters, as seen in "Brawl In The Family"?
** There are people who believe Lisa is actually performing a social experiment and went along with it to see how far it would go, instead of grabbing the IdiotBall in this episode.

** Were Lincoln's personal belongings really sold or was that Rita's sarcasm? Would there be enough time between Lincoln's expulsion and the softball game for them to sell everything? And how could Lincoln not realize that? And if they thought Lincoln's bad luck was also in his possessions, does that mean they would be okay with letting the buyer have bad luck?
* AngstWhatAngst: Lincoln being treated like an outcast by his own family, to the point of having to eat and sleep outside, would be incredibly traumatic to any person his age, yet he barely shows indignation or resentment towards this situation, acting with the same amount of outrage you would expect from a kid that was just grounded with no dessert or video games, maybe even less. By the end however, when he's forced to keep the squirrel suit on for good luck, his [[TranquilFury exasperated but overall tranquil tone and face]] [[TheWoobie make it clear how fed up he is]].

** While Lincoln's [[DisproportionateRetribution punishment outweighed his crimes]], he's often seen as the victim who did nothing wrong. Even if the viewers can ignore the times where Lincoln acted selfish in the other episodes, there's the fact that Lincoln went along that he's TheJinx by lying, as well as purposely breaking one Lori's golf club (granted, it was because he just wanted some time for himself, which is a sympathetic motive, but still). It's one of the many reasons why some viewers grew weary and dislike the "No Such Luck" fics, to the point where Lincoln in these stories is derisively nicknamed "Saint Lincoln".
** Due to [[TheCutie Lily's]] age, she is rarely if ever seen as culpable for any of the insanity that went on in the episode. However, fanfic writers make her the sole good member of the family, claiming Lily had never betrayed Lincoln and was the only one who had '''ever''' cared for him as a family member while all the other Louds treated him as nothing more than [[{{Woobie}} a lightning rod for their abuse]]. As a result, she often joins Lincoln in his new life (usually through Lincoln taking her with him) and is treated with tender loving care by him while he emotionally disowns the rest of his family. This interpretation is unfortunately not supported by the episode itself, as Lily was fully on the side of her family in considering her brother bad luck and ostracizing him (in fact, she had more on-screen indication that she believed he was bad luck than even Lucy as referenced above). On the topic of her age making her less culpable, various episodes show her being [[BrainyBaby pretty perceptive]] of everything going on in spite of her age, which lessens her innocence in the matter.
* FanficFuel: Ever since it first aired, this episode currently takes the cake for the episode that had the most fanfics based on it, to the point that the No Such Luck-fic has pretty much become a genre itself. In fact it's a common cliche that fans want Lincoln to reach his RageBreakingPoint with his family abandon the Louds and run away from home following the events of this episode, get revenge on them, or even outright disowning them as family. Or simply just [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech give them an intense tirade about how stupid and selfish they acted and how much they screwed up.]] before alienating himself from them until they stop being superstitious. Others simply rewrite the episode so that none of the Louds believe Lynn when she claims that Lincoln is a jinx.

*** The {{Retcon}} that came in 2023 that absolved Lucy of wrongdoing is seen by some as too little, too late to mend the damage to her reputation among those still bitter about the episode seeing as it came years after most vindictive fanfiction had been written and most feelings had been codified, as well as due to primarily coming from those no longer working on the show itself (despite their prominence in its creation and production). Furthermore, some remain skeptical due to the retcon not being acknowledged by the official show or, more bitterly, because it simply came too late to matter since most fans have simply moved on.

** Lincoln is seen by his most vindictive haters, especially the ones defending the sisters and sick of "Saint Lincoln", as [[BlamingTheVictim deserving]] what he endured through this episode, despite how clear it was too far.

* CriticalBacklash: The episode was very controversial in the fandom for a long time due to the KarmicOverkill that Lincoln receives, leading to it becoming a FanficFuel that either [[DeconstructionFic takes apart the episode]], [[AccusationFic calls out or gives comeuppance to the family]], or just flat-out [[RevengeFic kills off all members from the family]]. For casual fans or for fans that aren't really invested into the show, this episode is just a "bad apple" that was already beaten to death and not the monstrosity that it's seen as such.
** The extreme backlash to the episode by the fandom has itself faced backlash among viewers and some fans.

** Due to [[TheCutie Lily's]] age, she is rarely if ever seen as culpable for any of the insanity that went on in the episode. However, fanfic writers make her the sole good member of the family, claiming Lily had never betrayed Lincoln and was the only one who had '''ever''' cared for him as a family member while all the other Louds treated him as nothing more than [[{{Woobie}} a lightning rod for their abuse]]. As a result, she often joins Lincoln in his new life (usually through Lincoln taking her with him) and is treated with tender loving care by him while he emotionally disowns the rest of his family. This interpretation is unfortunately not supported by the episode itself, as Lily was fully on the side of her family in considering her brother bad luck and ostracizing him (in fact, she had more on-screen indication that she believed he was bad luck than even Lucy as referenced above). While she may be seen as having less culpability due to being a baby, various episodes show her being [[BrainyBaby pretty perceptive]] of everything going on in spite of her age, which lessens her innocence in the matter.
* FanficFuel: Ever since it first aired, this episode currently takes the cake for the episode that had the most fanfics based on it, to the point that the No Such Luck-fic has pretty much become a genre itself. In fact it’s a common cliche that fans want Lincoln to reach his RageBreakingPoint with his family abandon the Louds and run away from home following the events of this episode, get revenge on them, or even outright disowning them as family. Or simply just [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech give them an intense tirade about how stupid and selfish they acted and how much they screwed up.]] before alienating himself from them until they stop being superstitious. Others simply rewrite the episode so that [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome none of the Louds believe Lynn when she claims that Lincoln is a jinx]].

** Due to [[TheCutie Lily's]] age, she is rarely if ever seen as culpable for any of the insanity that went on in the episode. However, fanfic writers make her the sole good member of the family, claiming Lily had never betrayed Lincoln and was the only one who had '''ever''' cared for him as a family member while all the other Louds treated him as nothing more than [[{{Woobie}} a lightning rod for their abuse]]. As a result, she often joins Lincoln in his new life (usually through Lincoln taking her with him) and is treated with tender loving care by him while he emotionally disowns the rest of his family. This interpretation is unfortunately not supported by the episode itself, as Lily was fully on the side of her family in considering her brother bad luck and ostracizing him (in fact, she had more on-screen indication that she believed he was bad luck than even Lucy as referenced above). While she may be seen as having less culpability due to being a baby, various episodes show her being [[BrainyBaby pretty perceptive]] of everything going on, which lessens her innocence in the matter.

* DracoInLeatherPants: While Lincoln's [[DisproportionateRetribution punishment outweighed his crimes]], he's often seen as the victim who did nothing wrong. Even if the viewers can ignore the times where Lincoln acted selfish in the other episodes, there's the fact that Lincoln went along that he's TheJinx by lying, as well as purposely breaking one Lori's golf club (granted, it was because he just wanted some time for himself, which is a sympathetic motive, but still). It's one of the many reasons why some viewers grew weary and dislike the "No Such Luck" fics, to the point where Lincoln in these stories is derisively nicknamed "Saint Lincoln".
** Due to [[TheCutie Lily's]] age, she is rarely if ever seen as culpable for any of the insanity that went on in the episode. However, fanfic writers make her the sole good member of the family, claiming Lily had never betrayed Lincoln and was the only one who had '''ever''' cared for him as a family member while all the other Louds treated him as nothing more than [[{{Woobie}} a lightning rod for their abuse]]. As a result, she often joins Lincoln in his new life (usually through Lincoln taking her with him) and is treated with tender loving care by him while he emotionally disowns the rest of his family. This interpretation is unfortunately not supported by the episode itself, as Lily was fully on the side of her family in considering her brother bad luck and ostracizing him (in fact, she had more on-screen indication that she believed he was bad luck than even Lucy as referenced above).

** Due to [[TheCutie Lily's]] age, she is rarely if ever seen as culpable for any of the insanity that went on in the episode. However, fanfic writers often give her a fanon upgrade into PuritySue status by claiming that Lily had never betrayed Lincoln and was the only one who had '''ever''' cared for him as a family member while all the other Louds treated him as nothing more than [[{{Woobie}} a lightning rod for their abuse]]. As a result, she often joins Lincoln in his new life (usually through Lincoln taking her with him) and is treated with tender loving care by him while he emotionally disowns the rest of his family. This interpretation is unfortunately not supported by the episode itself, as Lily was fully on the side of her family in considering her brother bad luck and ostracizing him (in fact, she had more on-screen indication that she believed he was bad luck than even Lucy as referenced above).

* AdaptationalHeroism: Some fanfics based on the episode rewrite events so that one or more of the Loud sisters stick by Lincoln's side to some capacity. This most often occurs with Lily (see DracoInLeatherPants). Possibly could be [[{{Retcon}} retroactively canonized]] with Lucy,
* AdaptationalVillainy: In fanfiction of this episode, the Louds tend to be even crueler than they were in the episode itself, typically to support the story's narrative of Lincoln [[TheRunaway running away]], taking his family to court, disowning them, or worse. This most often is done by taking details from the episode and exaggerating them far beyond what the episode had intended or implied (sometimes unintentionally due to writers being more influenced by other fanfics), such as Lincoln being forced to sleep outside for multiple nights or in terrible weather, being forced to wear the squirrel suit for weeks or even months, being physically abused by his siblings and/or parents, or outright hated by the family rather than simply feared

** Due to [[TheCutie Lily's]] age, she is rarely if ever seen as culpable for any of the insanity that went on in the episode. However, fanfic writers often give her a fanon upgrade into PuritySue status by claiming that Lily had never betrayed Lincoln and was the only one who had '''ever''' cared for him as a family member while all the other Louds treated him as nothing more than [[{{Woobie}} a lightning rod for their abuse]]. As a result, she often joins Lincoln in his new life (usually through Lincoln taking her with him) and treated with tender loving care by him while he emotionally disowns the rest of his family. This interpretation is unfortunately not supported by the episode itself, as Lily was fully on the side of her family in considering Lincoln bad luck and ostracizing him (in fact, she had more on-screen indication that she believed LIncoln was bad luck than even Lucy as mentioned above).

* AdaptationalVillainy: In fanfiction of this episode, the Louds tend to be even crueler than they were in the episode itself, typically to support the story's narrative of Lincoln [[TheRunaway running away]], taking his family to court, disowning them, or worse. This most often is done by taking details from the episode and exaggerating them far beyond what the episode had intended or implied (sometimes unintentionally due to writers being more influenced by other fanfics), such as Lincoln being forced to sleep outside for multiple nights or in terrible weather, being forced to wear the squirrel suit for weeks or even months, being physically abused by his siblings and/or parents, or outright hated by the family rather than simply feared.
* AccidentalAesop: Although fans hated this episode due to the cruel treatment given to Lincoln by his family, it can be said that the episode, in the dark way it was conceived, has two valuable lessons. The first is that superstition is idiocy, and that taking this talk of luck and bad luck seriously can actually have devastating consequences (see the Salem witch burnings or the indiscriminate hunting of the aye-aye). The second is that lying is never healthy, and that the best weapon to solve problems is always dialogue.

** Were Lincoln's personal effects really sold or was that Rita's sarcasm? Would there be enough time between Lincoln's expulsion and the softball game for them to sell everything? And how could Lincoln not realize that? And if they thought Lincoln's bad luck was also in his possessions, does that mean they would be okay with letting the buyer have bad luck?

** Was Lincoln kicked out of the house at night by his sisters, or did he himself decide to sleep in the backyard, embarrassed? It is worth mentioning that the sisters locked his room, but you don't hear them saying that he is forbidden to sleep on the sofa in the living room, for example. Furthermore, Lincoln had no reason to sleep outside considering he has multiple friends with whom he could crash for the night, as well as Lisa's bunker. Even earlier draft revisions of the script do not make it clear why Lincoln tries to sleep outside except for the "comedy" of a rejection gag.

** Was Lincoln kicked out of the house at night by his sisters, or did he himself decide to sleep in the backyard, embarrassed? It is worth mentioning that the sisters locked his room, but you don't hear them saying that he is forbidden to sleep on the sofa in the living room, for example.

* StrawmanHasAPoint: Although fans hated this episode due to the cruel treatment given to Lincoln by his family, it can be said that the episode, in the dark way it was conceived, has two valuable lessons. The first is that superstition is idiocy, and that taking this talk of luck and bad luck seriously can actually have devastating consequences (see the Salem witch burnings or the indiscriminate hunting of the aye-aye). The second is that lying is never healthy, and that the best weapon to solve problems is always dialogue.

* KarmicOverkill: The main reason as to why this episode was so disliked in the fandom. While Lincoln shouldn't have pretended to be TheJinx so people would leave him alone, him being kicked out of the house was still too far, especially considering Lincoln is a child.

* CriticalBacklash: The episode was very controversial in the fandom for a long time due to the KarmicOverkill that Lincoln receives, leading to it becoming a FanficFuel that either [[DeconstructionFic takes apart the episode]], [[AccusationFic calls out or give comeuppance to the family]], or just flat-out [[RevengeFic kills off all members from the family]]. For casual fans or for fans that aren't really invested into the show, this episode is just a "bad apple" that was already beaten to death and not the monstrosity that it's seen as such.

* DontShootTheMessage: While the episode brings up a valid moral against lying and how it isn't a healthy way to solve a conflict, it isn't saved from how everyone (including the parents) picked up the IdiotBall and Lincoln was [[DisproportionateReteibution overly punished for it]], while ignoring the implications of the family's actions.

** Lincoln is seen by his most vindictive haters, especially the ones defending the sisters and sick of "Saint Lincoln", as deserving what he endured through this episode, despite how clear it was too far.

* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Given how uncharacteristically stupid the Louds act, at Lincoln's expense, how Lynn is never called out on her SoreLoser tendencies, that the family pretty much crosses the line by cutting Lincoln out of their lives and that Lincoln is stuck in an embarrassing situation in the end, with the family having not stopped being superstitious, the episode can be viewed as this.

* OvershadowedByControversy:
** This episode is mostly known for for the ''massive'' backlash it received and the hoard of [[RevengeFic "No Suck Luck" fics]] it triggered than its actual quality.
** Likewise, it's not very easy to talk about this episode without mentioning the harassment Chris Savino received by some fans for trying to justify Lincoln's karma, saying that "he got what he deserved".

!!"Frog Wild"
* OvershadowedByControversy: It's not easy to talk about this episode without bringing up how it's paired up with one of the most infamous episodes in the series.

** It's not very easy to talk about this episode without mentioning the ''sheer'' amount of hate Creator/ChrisSavino received for saying that "Lincoln got what he deserved", which culminated Savino receiving tons of hate mail and ''death threats''.