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** Some feel the Equestrian side doing much better during season 2 makes up for Vaati stealing too much of the limelight in the first one, others feel it's too little too late.

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** Some feel the Equestrian side doing much better during season 2 makes up for Vaati stealing too much of the limelight in the first one, others feel it's too little too late.late considering it took over an entire ''season'' (18 chapters, amounting to over 140,000 words, plus some of the second season) to actually happen.

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* BrokenBase: The VillainTeamUp. Some feel it makes the Church of Majora feel imposing and builds up the ultimate confrontation with it, other feel like it's completely forced and a large number of them are out of character just for considering teaming with Majora or each other.

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** Some feel the Equestrian side doing much better during season 2 makes up for Vaati stealing too much of the limelight in the first one, others feel it's too little too late.
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The VillainTeamUp. Some feel it makes the Church of Majora feel imposing and builds up the ultimate confrontation with it, other feel like it's completely forced and a large number of them are out of character just for considering teaming with Majora or each other.
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* BrokenBase: The VillainTeamUp. Some feel it makes the Church of Majora feel imposing and builds up the ultimate confrontation with it, other feel like it's completely forced and a large number of them are out of character just for considering teaming with Majora or each other.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: A lot of readers' reasoning for viewing Vaati as a PossessionSue was how he singlehadnedly dealt with all the major villains, with the Mane Six barely doing anything. Come Season 2, and not only do the Mane Six hold their weight, they're the ones to finish off nearly every boss monster [[spoiler: including Demise himself]]. Lampshaded during that last example, when Twilight points out that they've been relying on him the whole time, but now that he's too exhausted to continue, they'll have to finish it themselves.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: A lot of readers' reasoning viewed for viewing the ''Legend of Zelda'' characters as {{Possession Sue}}s, with the Equestrian villains getting the short end of the stick, the Zelda villains being the major threat with [[spoiler:Ganondorf overpowering the Elements and Daring Do getting her flank kicked by the Church of Majora]], and Vaati as a PossessionSue was how he singlehadnedly dealt single-handedly dealing with all the major villains, with villains while the Mane Six barely doing did anything. Come Season 2, and not only do the Mane Six hold their weight, they're the ones to finish off nearly every boss monster [[spoiler: including Demise himself]]. Lampshaded during that last example, when Twilight points out that they've been relying on him the whole time, but now that he's too exhausted to continue, they'll have to finish it themselves.



* PossessionSue: A few detractors have accused Vaati of being this, though the author promises that will change as the story goes on.
** In general, the Legend of Zelda characters are portrayed this way, with the Equestrian villains also getting the short end of the stick and the Zelda villains being the major threat with [[spoiler:Ganondorf overpowering the Elements and Daring Do getting her flank kicked by the Church of Majora]]. The story just seems lopsided towards the Zelda cast.
*** To be fair, Sombra was presented as a serious enough threat that Vaati could only hold him off until the Crystal Heart could be used.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: [[spoiler:Demise is resurrected...but Ghirahim is never shown reacting to this, or to Demise being killed DeaderThanDead. Given Ghirahim's defining trait in canon is UndyingLoyalty to Demise, this feels like wasted potential.]]
** This is because Ghirahim is unaware of [[spoiler:Demise's resurrection]], and Dethl has no intention of telling him, or anyone else, for that matter, about it.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: [[spoiler:Demise is resurrected...but Ghirahim is never shown reacting to this, or to Demise being killed DeaderThanDead. Given Ghirahim's defining trait in canon is UndyingLoyalty to Demise, this feels like wasted potential.]]
** This is because Ghirahim is unaware of [[spoiler:Demise's resurrection]], and Dethl has no intention of telling him, or anyone else, for that matter, about it.
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** The same could be said for how he brought back Diamond Tiara. Originally, she came up with the plan to burn down the Cutie Mark Crusaders' clubhouse herself without Dethl there to possess her, was [[IHaveNoSon disowned by her father]], and was supposed to die when the Krylock bit her. However, following the backlash from many fans who felt he was too hard on her, he wrote the chapter that revealed that Diamond Tiara was turned into a Krylock by the venom, was released by Dethl, sicked on Ponyville, turned back to normal, and was revealed to have been possessed by Dethl when she committed her deed, rewriting the original chapter to include that. However, it seems apparent that the author doesn't like DT very much, and despite bringing her back, [[AnArmAndALeg didn't go easy on her]].

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** The same could be said for how he brought back Diamond Tiara. Originally, she came up with the plan to burn down the Cutie Mark Crusaders' clubhouse with them inside it herself without Dethl there to possess her, was [[IHaveNoSon disowned by her father]], and was supposed to die when the Krylock bit her. However, following the backlash from many fans who felt he was too hard on her, he wrote the chapter that revealed that Diamond Tiara was turned into a Krylock by the venom, was released by Dethl, sicked on Ponyville, turned back to normal, and was revealed to have been possessed by Dethl when she committed her deed, rewriting the original chapter to include that. However, it seems apparent that the author doesn't like DT Diamond Tiara very much, and despite bringing her back, [[AnArmAndALeg didn't go easy on her]].
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: [[spoiler:Demise is resurrected...but Ghirahim is never shown reacting to this, or to Demise being killed DeaderThanDead. Given Ghirahim's defining trait in canon is UndyingLoyalty to Demise, this feels like wasted potential.]]

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: [[spoiler:Demise is resurrected...but Ghirahim is never shown reacting to this, or to Demise being killed DeaderThanDead. Given Ghirahim's defining trait in canon is UndyingLoyalty to Demise, this feels like wasted potential.]]]]
** This is because Ghirahim is unaware of [[spoiler:Demise's resurrection]], and Dethl has no intention of telling him, or anyone else, for that matter, about it.
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** The same could be said for how he brought back Diamond Tiara. Originally, she came up with the plan to burn down the Cutie Mark Crusaders' clubhouse herself, was [[IHaveNoSon disowned by her father]], and was supposed to die when the Krylock bit her. However, following the backlash from many fans who felt he was too hard on her, he wrote the chapter that revealed that Diamond Tiara was turned into a Krylock by the venom, was released by Dethl, sicked on Ponyville, turned back to normal, and was revealed to have been possessed by Dethl when she committed her deed, rewriting the original chapter to include that. However, it seems apparent that the author doesn't like DT very much, and despite bringing her back, [[AnArmAndALeg didn't go easy on her]].

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** The same could be said for how he brought back Diamond Tiara. Originally, she came up with the plan to burn down the Cutie Mark Crusaders' clubhouse herself, herself without Dethl there to possess her, was [[IHaveNoSon disowned by her father]], and was supposed to die when the Krylock bit her. However, following the backlash from many fans who felt he was too hard on her, he wrote the chapter that revealed that Diamond Tiara was turned into a Krylock by the venom, was released by Dethl, sicked on Ponyville, turned back to normal, and was revealed to have been possessed by Dethl when she committed her deed, rewriting the original chapter to include that. However, it seems apparent that the author doesn't like DT very much, and despite bringing her back, [[AnArmAndALeg didn't go easy on her]].
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** The same could be said for how he brought back Diamond Tiara. Originally, she came up with the plan to burn down the Cutie Mark Crusaders' clubhouse herself, was [[IHaveNoSon disowned by her father]], and was supposed to die when the Krylock bit her. However, following the FanBacklash, he wrote the chapter that revealed that Diamond Tiara was turned into a Krylock by the venom, was released by Dethl, sicked on Ponyville, turned back to normal, and was revealed to have been possessed by Dethl when she committed her deed, rewriting the original chapter to include that. However, it seems apparent that the author doesn't like DT very much, and despite bringing her back, [[AnArmAndALeg didn't go easy on her]].

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** The same could be said for how he brought back Diamond Tiara. Originally, she came up with the plan to burn down the Cutie Mark Crusaders' clubhouse herself, was [[IHaveNoSon disowned by her father]], and was supposed to die when the Krylock bit her. However, following the FanBacklash, backlash from many fans who felt he was too hard on her, he wrote the chapter that revealed that Diamond Tiara was turned into a Krylock by the venom, was released by Dethl, sicked on Ponyville, turned back to normal, and was revealed to have been possessed by Dethl when she committed her deed, rewriting the original chapter to include that. However, it seems apparent that the author doesn't like DT very much, and despite bringing her back, [[AnArmAndALeg didn't go easy on her]].
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** The same could be said for how he brought back Diamond Tiara. Originally, she came up with the plan to burn down the Cutie Mark Crusaders' clubhouse herself, was [[IHaveNoSon disowned by her father]], and was supposed to die when the Krylock bit her. However, following the FanBacklash, he wrote the chapter that revealed that Diamond Tiara was turned into a Krylock by the venom, was released by Dethl, sicked on Ponyville, turned back to normal, and was revealed to have been possessed by Dethl when she committed her deed, rewriting the original chapter to include that. However, it seems apparent that the author doesn't like DT very much, and despite bringing her back, [[AnArmAndALeg didn't go easy on her]].
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** Twinrova goes down fairly easily compared to the other boss monsters.
* AuthorsSavingThrow: A lot of readers' reasoning for viewing Vaati as a PossessionSue was how he singlehadnedly dealt with all the major villains, with the Mane Six barely doing anything. Come Season 2, and not only do the Mane Six hold their weight, they're the ones to finish off nearly every boss monster [[spoiler: including Demise himself]]. Lampshaded during that last example, when Twilight points out that they've been relying on him the whole time, but now that he's too exhausted to continue, they'll have to finish it themselves.


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** All the boss battles qualify, really.
** The entire Battle of the Crystal Empire.

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** [[spoiler: The Mane Six fusing their Elements with their weapons to fight Demise with, besting him in combat, and then fusing their Elements, and themselves, into a massive golden spear to destroy him.]]

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** [[spoiler: The Mane Six fusing their Elements with their weapons to fight Demise with, besting him in combat, and then fusing their Elements, and themselves, into a massive golden spear to destroy him.him ''[[DeaderThanDead for good]]''. Especially for those who felt the story was lopsided in the favor of the Hyrule cast.]]



** [[spoiler: The aftermath of Dethl unleashing a bunch of dream monsters into the dreams of fifty Equestrians, fifteen of which die because Luna couldn't get to them in time. Most of them were foals, and two of them were Pipsqueak and Babs Seed.]]

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** [[spoiler: The aftermath of Dethl unleashing a bunch of dream monsters into the dreams of fifty Equestrians, fifteen of which die because Luna couldn't get to them in time. Most of them were foals, and two of them were Pipsqueak and Babs Seed.]]
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: [[spoiler:Demise is resurrected...but Ghirahim is never shown reacting to this, or to Demise being killed DeaderThanDead. Given Ghirahim's defining trait in canon is UndyingLoyalty to Demise, this feels like wasted potential.
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** [[spoiler: The Mane Six fusing their Elements with their weapons to fight Demise with, besting him in combat, and then fusing their Elements, and themselves, into a massive golden spear to destroy him.]]



** [[spoiler: Ahuizotl mourning his pet cats (slain by Ghirahim) alongside the [[BreakTheCutie broken]] Daring Do.]]

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** [[spoiler: Ahuizotl mourning his pet cats (slain by Ghirahim) alongside the [[BreakTheCutie broken]] Daring Do.]]
** [[spoiler: The aftermath of Dethl unleashing a bunch of dream monsters into the dreams of fifty Equestrians, fifteen of which die because Luna couldn't get to them in time. Most of them were foals, and two of them were Pipsqueak and Babs Seed.
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** [[spoiler: The Mane Six fusing their Elements with their weapons to take on Demise, managing to best him in combat, then fusing their Elements, and themselves, into a giant golden spear that utterly destroys him.]]



** [[spoiler: Ahuizotl mourning his pet cats (slain by Ghirahim) alongside the [[BreakTheCutie broken]] Daring Do.]]
** [[spoiler: The aftermath of Dethl releasing dream monsters into the dreams of fifty Equestrians, which manage to kill fifteen of them, including Pipsqueak and Babs Seed, because Luna couldn't reach them in time.]]

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** [[spoiler: Ahuizotl mourning his pet cats (slain by Ghirahim) alongside the [[BreakTheCutie broken]] Daring Do.]]
** [[spoiler: The aftermath of Dethl releasing dream monsters into the dreams of fifty Equestrians, which manage to kill fifteen of them, including Pipsqueak and Babs Seed, because Luna couldn't reach them in time.
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** [[spoiler: The Mane Six fusing their Elements with their weapons to take on Demise, managing to best him in combat, then fusing their Elements, and themselves, into a giant golden spear that utterly destroys him.]]



** [[spoiler: Ahuizotl mourning his pet cats (slain by Ghirahim) alongside the [[BreakTheCutie broken]] Daring Do.]]

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** [[spoiler: Ahuizotl mourning his pet cats (slain by Ghirahim) alongside the [[BreakTheCutie broken]] Daring Do.]]
** [[spoiler: The aftermath of Dethl releasing dream monsters into the dreams of fifty Equestrians, which manage to kill fifteen of them, including Pipsqueak and Babs Seed, because Luna couldn't reach them in time.
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** [[spoiler: Ahuizotl mourning his pet cats (slain by Ghirahim) alongside the [[BreakTheCutie broken]] Daring Do.]]
** [[spoiler: The aftermath of Dethl using his dream monsters to murder foals, including Pipsqueak and Babs Seed.]]

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** [[spoiler: Ahuizotl mourning his pet cats (slain by Ghirahim) alongside the [[BreakTheCutie broken]] Daring Do.]]
** [[spoiler: The aftermath of Dethl using his dream monsters to murder foals, including Pipsqueak and Babs Seed.
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** [[spoiler: Ahuizotl mourning his pet cats (slain by Ghirahim) alongside the [[BreakTheCutie broken]] Daring Do.]]

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** [[spoiler: Ahuizotl mourning his pet cats (slain by Ghirahim) alongside the [[BreakTheCutie broken]] Daring Do.]]
** [[spoiler: The aftermath of Dethl using his dream monsters to murder foals, including Pipsqueak and Babs Seed.
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** [[spoiler: Ahuizotl mourning his pet cats (slain by Ghirahim) alongside the [[BreakTheCutie broken]] Daring Do.]]
** [[spoiler: The aftermath of Dethl's murder of multiple ponies in their sleep, including Pipsqueak and Babs Seed.]]

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** [[spoiler: Ahuizotl mourning his pet cats (slain by Ghirahim) alongside the [[BreakTheCutie broken]] Daring Do.]]
** [[spoiler: The aftermath of Dethl's murder of multiple ponies in their sleep, including Pipsqueak and Babs Seed.
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** [[spoiler: Ahuizotl mourning his pet cats (slain by Ghirahim) alongside the [[BreakTheCutie broken]] Daring Do.]]

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** [[spoiler: Ahuizotl mourning his pet cats (slain by Ghirahim) alongside the [[BreakTheCutie broken]] Daring Do.]]
** [[spoiler: The aftermath of Dethl's murder of multiple ponies in their sleep, including Pipsqueak and Babs Seed.
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* StorybreakerTeamup: Due to how [[PossessionSue the Zelda cast is written]], the story can come off as this. Vaati effortlessly thrashes most of the Equestrian villains while the Zelda villains are presented as such a huge threat [[spoiler:even the Elements of Harmony, the most powerful artifacts in the Equestrian world, can't beat Ganondorf.]]
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Credit where it\'s do. I DON\'T like this fic. I feel things are too lopsided and in general the Zelda characters are overpowered. But I did feel this part WAS awesome and was one of the times I felt like this was an actual crossover.

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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: [[spoiler:The Ponyvillians and Vaati's forces managing to win a battle against Ganondorf's troops, especially for those who felt like the Zelda villains were overshadowing the Equestria side too much. Stand out moments include Derpy and the Doctor bringing down ''Phantom Ganon'' with a ballista while Maulgrim has him distracted and letting the knight finish him off.]]
--> [[spoiler:'''Phantom Ganon''']]: This...impossible.
--> '''Maulgrim''': This is Equestria. And here...''anything'' is possible.
** [[spoiler:[[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu The CMC helping Discord defeat one of Majora's Avatars]]. And earning their Cutie Marks in the process.]]

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*** To be fair, Sombra was presented as a serious enough threat that Vaati could only hold him off until the Crystal Heart could be used.
* StorybreakerTeamup: Due to how [[PossessionSue the Zelda cast is written]], the story can come off as this. Vaati effortlessly thrashes most of the Equestrian villains while the Zelda villains are presented as such a huge threat [[spoiler:even the Elements of Harmony, the most powerful artifacts in the Equestrian world, can't beat Ganondorf.]]



** [[spoiler: Ahuizotl mourning his pet cats (slain by Ghirahim) alongside the [[BreakTheCutie broken]] Daring Do.]]
* StorybreakerTeamup: Due to how the [[PossessionSue the Zelda cast is written]], the story can come off as this. Vaati effortlessly thrashes most of the Equestrian villains while the Equestrian villains are presented as such a huge threat [[spoiler:even the Elements of Harmony, the most powerful artifacts in the Equestrian world, can't beat Ganondorf.]]

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** [[spoiler: Ahuizotl mourning his pet cats (slain by Ghirahim) alongside the [[BreakTheCutie broken]] Daring Do.]]
* StorybreakerTeamup: Due to how the [[PossessionSue the Zelda cast is written]], the story can come off as this. Vaati effortlessly thrashes most of the Equestrian villains while the Equestrian villains are presented as such a huge threat [[spoiler:even the Elements of Harmony, the most powerful artifacts in the Equestrian world, can't beat Ganondorf.
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** [[spoiler: Ahuizotl mourning his pet cats (slain by Ghirahim) alongside the [[BreakTheCutie broken]] Daring Do.]]

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** [[spoiler: Ahuizotl mourning his pet cats (slain by Ghirahim) alongside the [[BreakTheCutie broken]] Daring Do.]]
* StorybreakerTeamup: Due to how the [[PossessionSue the Zelda cast is written]], the story can come off as this. Vaati effortlessly thrashes most of the Equestrian villains while the Equestrian villains are presented as such a huge threat [[spoiler:even the Elements of Harmony, the most powerful artifacts in the Equestrian world, can't beat Ganondorf.
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** In general, the Legend of Zelda characters are portrayed this way, with the Equestrian villains also getting the short end of the stick and the Zelda villains being the major threat with [[spoiler:Ganondorf overpowering the Elements]]. The story just seems lopsided towards the Zelda cast.

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** In general, the Legend of Zelda characters are portrayed this way, with the Equestrian villains also getting the short end of the stick and the Zelda villains being the major threat with [[spoiler:Ganondorf overpowering the Elements]].Elements and Daring Do getting her flank kicked by the Church of Majora]]. The story just seems lopsided towards the Zelda cast.
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** Vaati completely breaks down as he realizes he's afraid of his own power, due to almost attacking Twilight when she tried to stop him from killing Discord as well as becoming sorely tempted to kill Celestia after she pressed him for information about his past.

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** Vaati completely breaks down as he realizes he's afraid of his own power, due to almost attacking Twilight when she tried to stop him from killing Discord as well as becoming sorely tempted to kill Celestia after she pressed him for information about his past.past.
** [[spoiler: Ahuizotl mourning his pet cats (slain by Ghirahim) alongside the [[BreakTheCutie broken]] Daring Do.]]
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* AntiClimaxBoss: Volvagia, due to [[spoiler: Fluttershy using the Stare to free her from Ganondorf's control, and her giving up the Element of Kindness in exchange]].
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* CompleteMonster: Dethl, whom Lord Siravant has stated in the past to be the vilest character he's ever written. What little we've seen of him does not paint a pretty picture: he's the [[DreamWeaver King of Nightmares]], and thus excels at giving his victims [[YourWorstNightmare the worst nightmares imaginable]], won a bloody civil war in the Dark World after the death of Demise and became its new [[EvilOverlord High King]], freed King Sombra and restored his powers, and possessed Diamond Tiara in an effort to kill Scootaloo and then unleashed her on Ponyville again after she was turned into a krylock while imprisoned in Tartarus, all to punish Vaati for redeeming himself.
** He's also the one who brought Ganon to Equestria in Season 2, though he was doing this on Majora's orders.
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** In general, the Legend of Zelda characters are portrayed this way, with the Equestrian villains also getting the short end of the stick and the Zelda villains being the major threat with [[spoiler:Ganondorf overpowering the Elements]]. The story just seems lopsided towards the Zelda cast.
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* TearJerker: Vaati's flashbacks to the many times he was bullied as a child are just heartbreaking.
** Vaati completely breaks down as he realizes he's afraid of his own power, due to almost attacking Twilight when she tried to stop him from killing Discord as well as becoming sorely tempted to kill Celestia after she pressed him for information about his past.
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* CompleteMonster: Dethl, whom Lord Siravant has stated in the past to be the vilest character he's ever written. What little we've seen of him does not paint a pretty picture: he's the [[DreamWeaver King of Nightmares]], and thus excels at giving his victims [[YourWorstNightmare the worst nightmares imaginable]], won a bloody civil war in the Dark World after the death of Demise and became its new [[EvilOverlord High King]], freed King Sombra and restored his powers, and possessed Diamond Tiara in an effort to kill Scootaloo and then unleashed her on Ponyville again after she was turned into a krylock while imprisoned in Tartarus, all to punish Vaati for redeeming himself.
** He's also the one who brought Ganon to Equestria in Season 2, though he was doing this on Majora's orders.
* PossessionSue: A few detractors have accused Vaati of being this, though the author promises that will change as the story goes on.

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