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** Satan, who [[FaceHeelTurn rebelled against God]], [[TheManBehindTheMan is behind the creation of all evil in existence]], and acts as the universal [[TheCorrupter Corrupter]], among other things. Apparently, he is so bad {{Hell}} (and later the Lake of Fire) was made specifically for him and his angels.
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** A few of these certainly exist in the Bible. The biggest example [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation might]] have to be Satan, who [[FaceHeelTurn rebelled against God]], [[TheManBehindTheMan is behind the creation of all evil in existence]], and acts as the universal [[TheCorrupter Corrupter]], among other things. Apparently, he is so bad {{Hell}} (and later the Lake of Fire) was made specifically for him and his angels.
** Though his status as CompleteMonster is more of an InformedAttribute. Most of what we assume [[WordOfDante is from Paradise Lost and its ilk.]] [[MoralEventHorizon Though Revelations would point towards this.]]
** Though his status as CompleteMonster is more of an InformedAttribute. Most of what we assume [[WordOfDante is from Paradise Lost and its ilk.]] [[MoralEventHorizon Though Revelations would point towards this.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: Satan has a lot:
** Many people consider him tempting Eve with the fruit as this, as it resulted in pretty much all the evil and suffering in the world. [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation This one only applies to Satan if he is the snake, however,]] and some people see it as a failed attempt at giving mankind wisdom.
** What he did to Job. Yeah, he had permission, but it's still a pretty nasty thing to do.
** Helping the Antichrist to deceive people into worshiping him.
** Desiring to "sift Peter as wheat," which most likely means he wanted to do the same things to Peter as he did to Job.
** The Bible implies that he was behind Jesus crucifixion. If so, he was not only HoistByHisOwnPetard but OutGambitted, because Jesus's death, preplanned by God, opened the one and only way for people to be saved.
** In Revelation, he is pictured (probably metaphorically) as a red dragon sanding in front of a delivering woman so he can [[EatsBabies devour]] her [[WouldHurtAChild child]] as soon as it is born.
* Saul:
** Repeatedly trying to kill David, even after all the kindness and mercy he showed him.
** Killing the priests of Nob who harbored David.
** Almost getting his son Jonathan killed for not keeping Saul's foolish oath that he knew nothing about, and later deliberately trying to kill Jonathan for standing up for David.
** Murdering some of the Gibeonites, whom Israel had sworn to protect. This one also applies to his household. This would come back to haunt the house of Saul when the Gibeonites forced David to hand over Saul's grandsons to be executed as the price of their allegiance.
* Joab:
** Killing Absalom (David's son) ''explicitly'' against David's orders.
** Killing Abner, who had defected to David.
** Carrying out the UriahGambit. Joab had been a very naughty boy.
* Judas:
** Betraying Jesus (DUH!). According to some, this led to a MyGodWhatHaveIDone, then a suicide.
* Antioch:
** [[OverlyLongGag Did you know what he did to seven dudes and their old woman]]? Y-yeah, nothing to see, keep going!
** Many people consider him tempting Eve with the fruit as this, as it resulted in pretty much all the evil and suffering in the world. [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation This one only applies to Satan if he is the snake, however,]] and some people see it as a failed attempt at giving mankind wisdom.
** What he did to Job. Yeah, he had permission, but it's still a pretty nasty thing to do.
** Helping the Antichrist to deceive people into worshiping him.
** Desiring to "sift Peter as wheat," which most likely means he wanted to do the same things to Peter as he did to Job.
** The Bible implies that he was behind Jesus crucifixion. If so, he was not only HoistByHisOwnPetard but OutGambitted, because Jesus's death, preplanned by God, opened the one and only way for people to be saved.
** In Revelation, he is pictured (probably metaphorically) as a red dragon sanding in front of a delivering woman so he can [[EatsBabies devour]] her [[WouldHurtAChild child]] as soon as it is born.
* Saul:
** Repeatedly trying to kill David, even after all the kindness and mercy he showed him.
** Killing the priests of Nob who harbored David.
** Almost getting his son Jonathan killed for not keeping Saul's foolish oath that he knew nothing about, and later deliberately trying to kill Jonathan for standing up for David.
** Murdering some of the Gibeonites, whom Israel had sworn to protect. This one also applies to his household. This would come back to haunt the house of Saul when the Gibeonites forced David to hand over Saul's grandsons to be executed as the price of their allegiance.
* Joab:
** Killing Absalom (David's son) ''explicitly'' against David's orders.
** Killing Abner, who had defected to David.
** Carrying out the UriahGambit. Joab had been a very naughty boy.
* Judas:
** Betraying Jesus (DUH!). According to some, this led to a MyGodWhatHaveIDone, then a suicide.
* Antioch:
** [[OverlyLongGag Did you know what he did to seven dudes and their old woman]]? Y-yeah, nothing to see, keep going!
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* MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon:
** Satan has alot:
**lot:
*** Many people consider him tempting Eve with the fruit as this, as it resulted in pretty much all the evil and suffering in the world. [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation This one only applies to Satan if he is the snake, however,]] and some people see it as a failed attempt at giving mankind wisdom.
** *** What he did to Job. Yeah, he had permission, but it's still a pretty nasty thing to do.
** *** Helping the Antichrist to deceive people into worshiping him.
** *** Desiring to "sift Peter as wheat," which most likely means he wanted to do the same things to Peter as he did to Job.
** *** The Bible implies that he was behind Jesus crucifixion. If so, he was not only HoistByHisOwnPetard but OutGambitted, because Jesus's death, preplanned by God, opened the one and only way for people to be saved.
** *** In Revelation, he is pictured (probably metaphorically) as a red dragon sanding in front of a delivering woman so he can [[EatsBabies devour]] her [[WouldHurtAChild child]] as soon as it is born.
* ** Saul:
** *** Repeatedly trying to kill David, even after all the kindness and mercy he showed him.
** *** Killing the priests of Nob who harbored David.
** *** Almost getting his son Jonathan killed for not keeping Saul's foolish oath that he knew nothing about, and later deliberately trying to kill Jonathan for standing up for David.
** *** Murdering some of the Gibeonites, whom Israel had sworn to protect. This one also applies to his household. This would come back to haunt the house of Saul when the Gibeonites forced David to hand over Saul's grandsons to be executed as the price of their allegiance.
* ** Joab:
** *** Killing Absalom (David's son) ''explicitly'' against David's orders.
**orders.
*** Killing Abner, who had defected toDavid.
**David.
*** Carrying out the UriahGambit. Joab had been a very naughty boy.
* ** Judas:
** *** Betraying Jesus (DUH!).(Duh!). According to some, this led to a MyGodWhatHaveIDone, then a suicide.
* ** Antioch:
** *** [[OverlyLongGag Did you know what he did to seven dudes and their old woman]]? Y-yeah, nothing to see, keep going!
** Satan has a
**
*** Many people consider him tempting Eve with the fruit as this, as it resulted in pretty much all the evil and suffering in the world. [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation This one only applies to Satan if he is the snake, however,]] and some people see it as a failed attempt at giving mankind wisdom.
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*** Killing Abner, who had defected to
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*** Carrying out the UriahGambit. Joab had been a very naughty boy.
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** Jesus. He could of called thousands of angels to smite His killers, but He chose to bear all the pain and suffering to save all who would believe.
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** Jesus. He could of have called thousands of angels to smite His killers, but He chose to bear all the pain and suffering to save all who would believe.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Several major instances--
** Protestants (and Jews) rejected the additional (as in, those not in the Masoretic text of the Tanakh) Old Testament books that came from the Greek Septuagint and call them "apocrypha" (not {{Canon}}), whereas they're considered {{Canon}} by Catholics.
** Then there's the New Testament "apocrypha," some of which are just ''weird''. The Infancy Gospel of Thomas, for instance, is possibly the first example of SuperDickery, featuring a very young Jesus that blinds, kills, and heals people left and right, then proceeds to lecture his teacher on theology. Mainstream Christians reject the Gospel of Thomas, which was widely read by early Christian communities, on the basis of its much later origin and the fact that it was most certainly not written by Thomas or anyone in his general time period. The Nicean council ruled that it wasn't authentic.
** The entire New Testament is rejected by the Jews; most Christians reject the Book of Mormon, except for the Mormons. Only the Muslims accept the canonicity of the Koran.
** Protestants (and Jews) rejected the additional (as in, those not in the Masoretic text of the Tanakh) Old Testament books that came from the Greek Septuagint and call them "apocrypha" (not {{Canon}}), whereas they're considered {{Canon}} by Catholics.
** Then there's the New Testament "apocrypha," some of which are just ''weird''. The Infancy Gospel of Thomas, for instance, is possibly the first example of SuperDickery, featuring a very young Jesus that blinds, kills, and heals people left and right, then proceeds to lecture his teacher on theology. Mainstream Christians reject the Gospel of Thomas, which was widely read by early Christian communities, on the basis of its much later origin and the fact that it was most certainly not written by Thomas or anyone in his general time period. The Nicean council ruled that it wasn't authentic.
** The entire New Testament is rejected by the Jews; most Christians reject the Book of Mormon, except for the Mormons. Only the Muslims accept the canonicity of the Koran.
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** Hell and the Lake of Fire.
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** Hell and the The Lake of Fire.
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* FateWorseThanDeath: Hell.
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* NeverLiveItDown: The phrase "Doubting Thomas" is a name used for people demanding proof of something, implying that the demand is unreasonable. In fairness, all the apostles had to see Jesus' wounds before they believed Him (and He didn't rebuke them for wanting so); Thomas just got singled out because he arrived late.
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** [[WhatTheHellHero The people of Israel behave this way every other chapter]].
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** Getting drunk and telling your all your weaknesses to a hot woman. [[SarcasmMode Good move there, Samson]].
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** [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Getting drunk and telling your all your weaknesses to a hot woman.woman]]. [[SarcasmMode Good move there, Samson]].
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** The seven brothers and their mom mentioned in the Maccabeus book. FamilyUnfriendlyDeath doesn't even begin to ''describe'' it. (This tropette read it as a child once and she had nightmares for ''several'' nights.)
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** The seven brothers and their mom mentioned in the Maccabeus book. FamilyUnfriendlyDeath doesn't even begin to ''describe'' it. (This tropette read it as a child once and she had nightmares for ''several'' nights.)
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** Mary Magdalene and Jesus is this to Gnostics and DanBrown.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Try to read anything in the Old Testament against mixing the holy seed with that of foreigners, anything about conquering neighboring nations and taking slaves from them without thinking of [[NaziGermany something else]].
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Try to read anything in the Old Testament against mixing the holy seed with that of foreigners, anything about conquering neighboring nations and taking slaves from them without thinking of [[NaziGermany something else]].
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** Mary Magdalene and Jesus is this to Gnostics and DanBrown.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Try to read anything in the Old Testament against mixing the holy seed with that of foreigners, anything about conquering neighboring nations and taking slaves from them without thinking of [[NaziGermany something else]].DanBrown
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Try to read anything in the Old Testament against mixing the holy seed with that of foreigners, anything about conquering neighboring nations and taking slaves from them without thinking of [[NaziGermany something else]].
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** Haman from the Book of Esther is an egomaniac who manipulated the king into attempting to genocide the Jews. Why? ''One'' Jew refused to bow to him!
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* PuritySue: Actually a JustifiedTrope, sorta. Catholic doctrine claims that in order for Jesus to have been born without sin, ''Mary had to be born without sin herself''.
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* KnightTemplar: God has some [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide pretty]] [[DisproportionateRetribution extreme]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist methods]] [[GoodIsNotNice of dealing with evil]], ValuesDissonance or not. It kind of provoked the GodOfEvil trope in the first place...
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* KnightTemplar: God has some [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide pretty]] [[DisproportionateRetribution extreme]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist methods]] [[GoodIsNotNice of dealing with evil]], ValuesDissonance or not. It kind of provoked the GodOfEvil trope in the first place...
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** More seriously, Christians who persecuted Jews from the middle ages and onward for "killing Jesus". [[TooDumbToLive Yes, let's ignore the fact that Jesus '''was''' a Jew, shall we?]]
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** More seriously, Christians who persecuted Jews from the middle ages and onward for "killing Jesus". [[TooDumbToLive [[WhatAnIdiot Yes, let's ignore the fact that Jesus '''was''' a Jew, shall we?]]
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** The Psalm David wrote in response to Jonathan's and Saul's death.
*** As well as the ''enormous'' HeroicBlueScreenOfDeath he had when he learned about it.
*** As well as the ''enormous'' HeroicBlueScreenOfDeath he had when he learned about it.
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***death. As well as the ''enormous'' HeroicBlueScreenOfDeath he had when he learned about it.
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** Jesus' death. Even if you're not a Christian, you've gotta [[JesusWasWayCool feel for the guy.]]
*** Some of his miracles, too. Specially when he revived a poor little girl. And when he wept before he revived his old friend Lazarus.
*** Some of his miracles, too. Specially when he revived a poor little girl. And when he wept before he revived his old friend Lazarus.
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** Jesus' death. Even if you're not a Christian, you've gotta [[JesusWasWayCool feel for the guy.]]
***]] Some of his miracles, too. Specially when he revived a poor little girl. And when he wept before he revived his old friend Lazarus.
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** Betraying Jesus (DUH!).
*** According to some, this led to a MyGodWhatHaveIDone, then a suicide.
*** According to some, this led to a MyGodWhatHaveIDone, then a suicide.
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** Betraying Jesus (DUH!).
***(DUH!). According to some, this led to a MyGodWhatHaveIDone, then a suicide.
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** Many people consider him tempting Eve with the fruit as this, as it resulted in pretty much all the evil and suffering in the world. [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation This one only applies if he is the snake, however,]] and some people see it as a failed attempt at giving mankind wisdom.
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** Many people consider him tempting Eve with the fruit as this, as it resulted in pretty much all the evil and suffering in the world. [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation This one only applies to Satan if he is the snake, however,]] and some people see it as a failed attempt at giving mankind wisdom.
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** More seriously, Christians who persecuted Jews from the middle ages and onward for "killing Jesus". [[[[TooDumbToLive Yes, let's ignore the fact that Jesus '''was''' a Jew, shall we?]]
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** More seriously, Christians who persecuted Jews from the middle ages and onward for "killing Jesus". [[[[TooDumbToLive [[TooDumbToLive Yes, let's ignore the fact that Jesus '''was''' a Jew, shall we?]]
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** More seriously, Christians who persecuted [[TooDumbToLive Jews from the middle ages and onward for "killing Jesus".]] Yes, let's ignore the fact that Jesus '''was''' a Jew, shall we?
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** More seriously, Christians who persecuted [[TooDumbToLive Jews from the middle ages and onward for "killing Jesus".]] Jesus". [[[[TooDumbToLive Yes, let's ignore the fact that Jesus '''was''' a Jew, shall we?we?]]
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Melchidezek Only appeared once yet became popular among biblical scholars.
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** Melchidezek Only appeared once yet became popular among biblical scholars.
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* CompleteMonster: A few of these certainly exist in the Bible. The biggest example [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation might]] have to be Satan, who [[FaceHeelTurn rebelled against God]], [[TheManBehindTheMan is behind the creation of all evil in existence]], and acts as the universal [[TheCorrupter Corrupter]], among other things. Apparently, he is so bad {{Hell}} (and later the Lake of Fire) was made specifically for him and his angels.
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* CompleteMonster: CompleteMonster:
** A few of these certainly exist in the Bible. The biggest example [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation might]] have to be Satan, who [[FaceHeelTurn rebelled against God]], [[TheManBehindTheMan is behind the creation of all evil in existence]], and acts as the universal [[TheCorrupter Corrupter]], among other things. Apparently, he is so bad {{Hell}} (and later the Lake of Fire) was made specifically for him and his angels.
** A few of these certainly exist in the Bible. The biggest example [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation might]] have to be Satan, who [[FaceHeelTurn rebelled against God]], [[TheManBehindTheMan is behind the creation of all evil in existence]], and acts as the universal [[TheCorrupter Corrupter]], among other things. Apparently, he is so bad {{Hell}} (and later the Lake of Fire) was made specifically for him and his angels.
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* MisaimedFandom: Samson is presented as a flawed figure who abuses his powers, gets screwed over for it, and ends up dying because there's nowhere else to go. Yet, many readers can't look over his RatedMForManly antics and celebrate him as a MemeticBadass who dies in a blaze of glory. He's almost like the [[GurrenLagann Kamina]] of the ancient world.
** More seriously, Christians who persecuted Jews from the middle ages and onward for "killing Jesus". Yes, let's ignore the fact that Jesus '''was''' a Jew, shall we?
* NeverLiveItDown: "Doubting" Thomas. In reality, all of the apostles needed physical proof before believing Jesus' resurrection; Thomas just got singled out because he came in late.
** More seriously, Christians who persecuted Jews from the middle ages and onward for "killing Jesus". Yes, let's ignore the fact that Jesus '''was''' a Jew, shall we?
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* MisaimedFandom: MisaimedFandom:
** Samson is presented as a flawed figure who abuses his powers, gets screwed over for it, and ends up dying because there's nowhere else to go. Yet, many readers can't look over his RatedMForManly antics and celebrate him as a MemeticBadass who dies in a blaze of glory. He's almost like the [[GurrenLagann Kamina]] of the ancient world.
** More seriously, Christians who persecuted [[TooDumbToLive Jews from the middle ages and onward for "killingJesus". Jesus".]] Yes, let's ignore the fact that Jesus '''was''' a Jew, shall we?
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** "Doubting" Thomas. In reality, all of the apostles needed physical proof before believing Jesus' resurrection; Thomas just got singled out because he came in late.
** Samson is presented as a flawed figure who abuses his powers, gets screwed over for it, and ends up dying because there's nowhere else to go. Yet, many readers can't look over his RatedMForManly antics and celebrate him as a MemeticBadass who dies in a blaze of glory. He's almost like the [[GurrenLagann Kamina]] of the ancient world.
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** "Doubting" Thomas. In reality, all of the apostles needed physical proof before believing Jesus' resurrection; Thomas just got singled out because he came in late.
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I can\'t figure what this is talking about. What throne? Is this even about Judas?
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*** Interestingly enough, in an older version, as per Acts, he is still on the throne. Go figure.
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** This Christian troper sincerely the The Book of the Revelation was all metaphorical. Revelation. Especially [[YourHeadAsplode If its if it's literal]], well...imagine ''End of Evangelion'' [[MindRape times a million]]. Yeah.
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* FridgeBrilliance: The reason why God never mentioned any other "projects" concerning life on other planets. Why would He bother telling a [[HumansAreFlawed race so flawed as ours]], one in which sin is spread into throughout humanity ''by birth'', if there is any life on other planets? ''Because he doesn't want us to screw them out of their personal Eden's''.
* FridgeLogic: When Abraham's servant arrived at Rebekah's house, she was kind enough to bring water for all ten of his camels. Since the average camel drinks a massive amount of water after a long trip like that, Rebekah must have made an impressive number of trips back and forth to the well.
** Everything about the fight with God, from the omnipotent deity choosing to wrestle, to his need to cheat, to the fact that he had to ask Jacob to relent before the sun rose as if he were a vampire. Everything may be explained and justified, probably, but it's still odd.
** FridgeBrilliance: Depending on how the word "elohim" is translated, it may of actually been an angel he fought. All of the above suddenly makes more scene now, doesn't it? Adding to this point, it may well have been a [[XanatosGambit ploy]] by God to show Jacob that he had to rely fully on divine aid to get him out of his predicament with Esau instead of relying on his own strength (which had only ended up getting him into trouble up to that point).
* FridgeLogic: When Abraham's servant arrived at Rebekah's house, she was kind enough to bring water for all ten of his camels. Since the average camel drinks a massive amount of water after a long trip like that, Rebekah must have made an impressive number of trips back and forth to the well.
** Everything about the fight with God, from the omnipotent deity choosing to wrestle, to his need to cheat, to the fact that he had to ask Jacob to relent before the sun rose as if he were a vampire. Everything may be explained and justified, probably, but it's still odd.
** FridgeBrilliance: Depending on how the word "elohim" is translated, it may of actually been an angel he fought. All of the above suddenly makes more scene now, doesn't it? Adding to this point, it may well have been a [[XanatosGambit ploy]] by God to show Jacob that he had to rely fully on divine aid to get him out of his predicament with Esau instead of relying on his own strength (which had only ended up getting him into trouble up to that point).
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* CharacterizationMarchesOn: God goes from being portrayed as an angry, vengeful god to a loving, fatherly god. In fact, this example of the trope occurs ''in story'', with Jesus being considered strange and radical for this "new version of God" he's preaching about.