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*AngelUnaware: It is HEAVILY implied, though not outright stated, that the old man in the rickety cart that Belgarath first meets as a young boy is Aldur in disguise. Belgarath and Polgara meet a man described very similar in the mountains...several thousands of years later. Garion and Company meet this same man later on their way to Cthol Mishrak. Belgarath takes care to mention his deep blue eyes that look far too young for an old man and his bell like laughter, both traits Aldur shares. No one in the story seems to be able to make the connection.
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* InformedWrongness: Garion and Polgara's disagreement in ''Queen of Sorcery''. After burning a man alive using sorcery and being traumatised by it, Garion is treated by everyone – including the Prophecy – as childish for not wanting to use sorcery again and insisting that Polgara should use his real name. After the burning-alive incident, Polgara, the only parent Garion's ever had, spitefully insists on calling him Belgarion if this was [[IKnowYourTrueName somehow significant]] – which it clearly isn't, as she proceeds to call him Garion through the rest of the series. She invades Garion's mind to taunt him and give him smug, condescending advice and even goes as far as manipulating his thoughts to make him write "Belgarion" as his name when Ce'Nedra is teaching him to write. The cherry on top is her (successful) attempt to emotionally manipulate him by claiming that her caring for Garion's family line has been some sort of a personal favor to him, that she's lived in squalor for hundreds of years for him and that her sister died for him – all of it false.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The entire series has a bad case of ProtagonistCenteredMorality, and the past crimes of characters are quickly forgotten as soon as they join the heroes. A reader might well be quite surprised at the portrayal of [[spoiler:Zakath]] as a decent guy who made some bad mistakes late in the ''Malloreon'', considering that this is the guy who [[spoiler: tried and nearly damn succeeded in wiping out an entire race because of something their king did, and used to call himself 'Kal Zakath' ('Kal' meaning 'King and God'- i.e. the title that ''Torak'' used to use.) Yeah.]]

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The entire series has a bad case of ProtagonistCenteredMorality, and the past crimes of characters are quickly forgotten as soon as they join the heroes. A reader might well be quite surprised at the portrayal of [[spoiler:Zakath]] as a decent guy who made some bad mistakes late in the ''Malloreon'', considering that this is the guy who [[spoiler: tried and nearly damn succeeded in wiping out an entire race because of something their king did, and used to call himself 'Kal Zakath' ('Kal' meaning 'King and God'- i.e. the title that ''Torak'' used to use.) Yeah. Though it should be said that he has a full on breakdown when he realises that all he did was for nothing.]]



* AngstWhatAngst: Taiba escapes from a lifetime of slavery, after having had her children forcibly taken from her and horrifically murdered, and yet she never seems to be sad or angry after she's rescued.

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*** The story is at least somewhat aware of this, with Silk - no stranger to ruthlessness himself - being absolutely horrified by his fate.
* AngstWhatAngst: Taiba escapes from a lifetime of slavery, after having had her children forcibly taken from her and horrifically murdered, and yet she never seems to be sad or angry after she's rescued. It could be taken as a kind of emotional numbness, caused by shock, but it's still a bit jarring.



* FoeYay: The paedophiliac undertones to Garion and Chamdar's relationship may or may not have been intentional, but they were effective.

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* FoeYay: The paedophiliac paedophilic undertones to Garion and Chamdar's relationship may or may not have been intentional, but they were effective.



** Zedar -- period. Manipulated by both prophecies to serve their ends, his reward for finding Errand/Eriond--not to mention allowing the Light side to win the EVENT at the end of ''The Belgariad'', (if he hadn't (in self defense) killed Durnik, Polgara would've submitted to Torak and Garion would've lost the fight)--is eternal entombment in solid rock...and Durnik got better. The prequels give him lots of OutOfCharacter KickTheDog moments to try and justify this but it still comes off as harsh, especially considering Belgarath, who entombs him, has done some seriously questionable things himself. It's also implied that he's little more than Torak's puppet - his will so totally overwhelmed by the insane evil god's that he wasn't in control of his own actions. None of that matters, Belgarath happily condemns him to an AndIMustScream fate without a qualm.

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** Zedar -- period. Manipulated by both prophecies to serve their ends, his reward for finding Errand/Eriond--not to mention allowing the Light side to win the EVENT at the end of ''The Belgariad'', (if he hadn't (in self defense) killed Durnik, Polgara would've submitted to Torak and Garion would've lost the fight)--is eternal entombment in solid rock...and Durnik got better. The prequels give him lots of OutOfCharacter KickTheDog moments to try and justify this but it still comes off as harsh, especially considering Belgarath, who entombs him, has done some seriously questionable things himself. It's also implied that he's little more than Torak's puppet - his will so totally overwhelmed by the insane evil god's that he wasn't in control of his own actions. None of that matters, Belgarath happily condemns him to an AndIMustScream fate without much in the way of qualm (he considers letting Zedar out a qualm.couple of times, but Beldin bluntly states that if he did, he'd put Zedar right back a moment later).
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* UnfortunateImplications: The fact that every "race" follows certain fixed stereotypes. You can tell them not only by looks, but their personality. This comes off as... ''problematic'', to many people. Even in-universe, people act racist regarding this, although that may not have been Eddings' intent. It has a story justification, since their gods' created each race as they wished, but even so. There is also the fact members of the "evil" races are entirely acceptable to kill without qualms, but that's pretty standard in fantasy. Some critics have also felt the portrayal of women is a bit sexist too, though perhaps partly in keeping with customs of real societies like this. There is also the fact the Dryads reproduce solely through forcing captured men to have sex with them, and Barak's forcing himself on his wife (yet still part of the good side), although again that's in keeping with real societies. Some of the racial stereotypes, at least, are lessened with later books, plus the "evil" races getting more sympathetic portrayal.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The fact that every "race" follows certain fixed stereotypes. You can tell them not only by looks, but their personality. This comes off as... ''problematic'', to many people. Even in-universe, people act racist regarding this, although that may not have been Eddings' intent. It has a story justification, since their gods' created each race as they wished, but even so. There is also the fact members of the "evil" races are entirely acceptable to kill without qualms, but that's pretty standard in fantasy. Some critics have also felt the portrayal of women is a bit sexist too, though perhaps partly in keeping with customs of real societies like this. There is also the fact the Dryads reproduce solely through forcing captured men to have sex with them, and Barak's forcing himself on his wife (yet still part of the good side), although again that's in keeping with real societies. Some of the racial stereotypes, at least, are lessened with later books, plus the "evil" races getting more sympathetic portrayal.
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* MagnificentBastard: Sadi is the [[EvilChancellor Chief Eunuch at Salmissra’s court]], and the worst person the Prophecy ever drafts into assisting Garion and his companions. A MasterPoisoner and drug kingpin who had previously [[PlayingBothSides played both sides of the war]] in ''Literature/TheBelgariad'', Sadi is recruited during ''The Malloreon'' to act as Garion’s personal option of last resort. Smuggling the group into first Cthol Murgos, and then Mallorea, Sadi adeptly navigates the halls of power in both Angarak nations, and within a few weeks of their arrival in Mal Zeth, becomes the largest crime lord in the capital, capable of summoning several hundred highwaymen when Garion decides he needs a distraction. With a case full of drugs that can warp people into doing what he wants, and the ability to poison a single person at a banquet with a thousand guests, Sadi never reforms, but makes himself absolutely indispensable in matters of intrigue, murder, and ultimately, saving the world.
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** Vordai's purpose in the books is to be a sympathetic character who manages to break through Belgarath's JerkassFacade. The Arendish serf Lammer serves a similar purpose with respect to making Ce'Nedra and Lleldorin appreciate the plight of the serfs. And then there's the brain-damaged boy with the flute. Zedar is set up to appear as this to an extent, as his only real mistake was in daring to think he could outwit Torak, and the punishment for it was milennia of enslavement to the God's CompellingVoice and, at the end, [[spoiler: eternal imprisonment in solid rock]].
** Zedar -- period. Manipulated by both prophecies to serve their ends his reward for finding Errand/Eriond, not to mention allowing the light side to win the EVENT at the end of ''The Belgariad'', (if he hadn't (in self defense) killed Durnik, Polgara would've submitted to Torak and Garion would've lost the fight), is eternal entombment in solid rock - and Durnik got better. The prequels give him lots of OutOfCharacter KickTheDog moments to try and justify this but it still comes off as harsh, especially considering Belgarath, who entombs him, has done some seriously questionable things himself. It's also implied that he's little more than Torak's puppet - his will so totally overwhelmed by the insane evil god's that he wasn't in control of his own actions. None of that matters, Belgarath happily condemns him to an AndIMustScream fate without a qualm.

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** Vordai's purpose in the books is to be a sympathetic character who manages to break through Belgarath's JerkassFacade. The Arendish serf Lammer serves a similar purpose with respect to making Ce'Nedra and Lleldorin Lelldorin appreciate the plight of the serfs. And then there's the brain-damaged boy with the flute. Zedar is set up to appear as this to an extent, as his only real mistake was in daring to think he could outwit Torak, and the punishment for it was milennia millennia of enslavement to the God's CompellingVoice and, at the end, [[spoiler: eternal imprisonment in solid rock]].
** Zedar -- period. Manipulated by both prophecies to serve their ends ends, his reward for finding Errand/Eriond, not Errand/Eriond--not to mention allowing the light Light side to win the EVENT at the end of ''The Belgariad'', (if he hadn't (in self defense) killed Durnik, Polgara would've submitted to Torak and Garion would've lost the fight), is fight)--is eternal entombment in solid rock - rock...and Durnik got better. The prequels give him lots of OutOfCharacter KickTheDog moments to try and justify this but it still comes off as harsh, especially considering Belgarath, who entombs him, has done some seriously questionable things himself. It's also implied that he's little more than Torak's puppet - his will so totally overwhelmed by the insane evil god's that he wasn't in control of his own actions. None of that matters, Belgarath happily condemns him to an AndIMustScream fate without a qualm.
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* TrappedByMountainLions: In ''The Malloreon'', the Big Guy Band from the first series (Barak, Hettar, Relg, Mandorallen, and Lleldorin) spends a significant portion of the story having mainly irrelevant adventures as they try to catch up with the heroes despite Cyradis' warning that it would be fatal to the prophecy. Of course, [[YouCantFightFate Fate was]] [[CosmicPlaything having a fun time]] with them, as situations seemed to conspire to keep them as far away from the heroes as possible until just after it was all over, at which point they were reunited completely unexpectedly.

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* TrappedByMountainLions: In ''The Malloreon'', the Big Guy Band from the first series (Barak, Hettar, Relg, Mandorallen, and Lleldorin) Lelldorin) spends a significant portion of the story having mainly irrelevant adventures as they try to catch up with the heroes despite Cyradis' warning that it would be fatal to the prophecy. Of course, [[YouCantFightFate Fate was]] [[CosmicPlaything having a fun time]] with them, as situations seemed to conspire to keep them as far away from the heroes as possible until just after it was all over, at which point they were reunited completely unexpectedly.
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* JerkassWoobie: Ce'Nedra in ''The Malloreon''. While she's still as bossy and demanding as in ''The Belgariad'', it's hard not to feel at least a little pity towards her when she [[spoiler:loses her father]] during the first book or after [[spoiler:her son is kidnapped by Zandramas]], especially since Zandramas seems to love [[YankTheDogsChain yanking her chain]].

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* AnticlimaxBoss: After being a sinister looming presence during the first book and most of the second one, and in spite of his importance in the backstory as he's the one who [[spoiler:killed Garion's parents]], [[spoiler:Asharak/Chamdar]] is dispatched rather easily when he tries to ambush the heroes [[spoiler:who are trying to leave Tolnedra]]. He threatens Garion's life, [[spoiler:Garion's powers are suddenly awakened and he burns him alive, Polnadra suddenly reveals that he is the one who killed Garion's parents, which give him the will to continue the spell until Chamdar dies without being able to counter-attack]].

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After being a sinister looming presence during the first book and most of the second one, and in spite of his importance in the backstory as he's the one who [[spoiler:killed Garion's parents]], [[spoiler:Asharak/Chamdar]] is dispatched rather easily when he tries to ambush the heroes [[spoiler:who are trying to leave Tolnedra]]. He threatens Garion's life, [[spoiler:Garion's powers are suddenly awakened and he burns him alive, Polnadra suddenly reveals that he is the one who killed Garion's parents, which give him the will to continue the spell until Chamdar dies without being able to counter-attack]].counter-attack]].
** [[spoiler:Zedar]] is one of Torak's CoDragons and the one who kickstarted the entire plot [[spoiler:by stealing the Orb]]. He also was one [[spoiler:of Aldur's students]] and is meant to be as old and probably as powerful as Belgarath himself. When he's finally confronted, he's defeated in the span of a few pages ''off-screen'' and doesn't even get to cast one spell, as most of the battle we see is him and Belgarath fighting over a dagger to stab each other. (Although it's justified story-wise. When he and Belgarath finally meet face to face, Belgarath is so enraged and [[spoiler:Zedar]] so panicked that they resort to a fistfight instead of a WizardDuel.)
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* AnticlimaxBoss: After being a sinister looming presence during the first book and most of the second one, and in spite of his importance in the backstory as he's the one who [[spoiler:killed Garion's parents]], [[spoiler:Asharak/Chamdar]] is dispatched rather easily when he tries to ambush the heroes [[spoiler:who are trying to leave Tolnedra]]. He threatens Garion's life, [[spoiler:Garion's powers are suddenly awakened and he burns him alive, Polnadra suddenly reveals that he is the one who killed Garion's parents, which give him the will to continue the spell until he dies without being able to counter-attack]].

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* AnticlimaxBoss: After being a sinister looming presence during the first book and most of the second one, and in spite of his importance in the backstory as he's the one who [[spoiler:killed Garion's parents]], [[spoiler:Asharak/Chamdar]] is dispatched rather easily when he tries to ambush the heroes [[spoiler:who are trying to leave Tolnedra]]. He threatens Garion's life, [[spoiler:Garion's powers are suddenly awakened and he burns him alive, Polnadra suddenly reveals that he is the one who killed Garion's parents, which give him the will to continue the spell until he Chamdar dies without being able to counter-attack]].
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* AnticlimaxBoss: After being a sinister looming presence during the first book and most of the second one, and in spite of his importance in the backstory as he's the one who [[spoiler:killed Garion's parents]], [[spoiler:Asharak/Chamdar]] is dispatched rather easily when he tries to ambush the heroes [[spoiler:who are trying to leave Tolnedra]]. He threatens Garion's life, [[spoiler:Garion's powers are suddenly awakened and he burns him alive, Polnadra suddenly reveals that he is the one who killed Garion's parents, which give him the will to continue the spell until he dies without being able to counter-attack]].
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* TooDumbToLive: Ctuchik when he tries to unmake the Orb of Aldur in a moment of panic, the conduit for one of the Purposes of the Universe. The Universe rebounds Ctuchik's attempt back on him, [[CessationOfExistence deleting him from existence.]] Also implied to be why there are so few sorcerers who possess the Will and the Word: many who awaken it may end up unmaking themselves.

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** ''The Malloreon'' has these 2 Grolim {{evil sorcerer}}s:
*** [[BigBadWannabe Harakan]], alias Lord Mengha, is one of Urvon's [[TheDragon underlings]], and the most [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder treacherous]] Grolim in the whole of ''The Malloreon''. Posing as the [[SinisterMinister leader]] of the Bear-Cult, Harakan twice sent assassins to murder Queen Ce'Nedra; mind-controlled her into nearly murdering her own son; and after his plan to trigger a war between Garion and King Anheg failed, raised the Bear-Cult in revolt in Drasnia and Cherek alike. When this plan and a subsequent one to worsen the war between Cthol Murgos and Mallorea both resulted in disaster, Harakan made contact with the [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Demon Lord Nahaz]] and [[DealWithTheDevil cut a deal with him]], whereby Nahaz would drive Urvon mad, make Harakan [[TakeOverTheWorld ruler of the world]] and by seizing the Orb of Aldur and the Sardion [[TakeAThirdOption destroy both the Light and Dark Prophecies]] and make [[{{Satan}} the King of Hell]] the new Lord of the Universe in place of [[{{God}} UL]]. He also resurrected demon-worship in Karanda; turned the Malloreon Civil War into a MeleeATrois; used Nahaz's [[LegionsOfHell demons]] to sack multiple cities and massacre their populations; and convinced young Karandese women to let Nahaz [[FetusTerrible impregnate them]], a process that would not only kill the girls, but would unleash demons that were not of this world and could not be banished. [[SmugSnake Never quite as clever or in control as he thought he was]], Harakan was nevertheless fully aware of what he was doing when he unleashed Nahaz, and was prepared to risk the destruction of the multiverse for the sake of personal power.
*** [[EvilSorceress Zandramas]], the BigBad, is a former Grolim [[SinisterMinister priestess]] who liked to cut out people's hearts and [[BloodBath bathe in their blood]] while nude. Her crimes include [[BadPeopleAbuseAnimals cruelty to animals]]; [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betraying everyone who helps her]]; kidnapping Garion's son Geran; having successfully started a civil war in the east and attempting to start one in the west; [[MoreThanMindControl brainwashing Ce'Nedra]], regularly trying to break the rules of Prophecy; and [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]]. She uses ships to travel undetected, but once at her location, she kills the other sailors, often either by [[ManOnFire burning the ships]] or feeding the sailors to wild animals. Even the aforementioned Torak leaves a note to [[ArchEnemy Garion]] asking [[EvenEvilHasStandards him to stop Zandramas]].

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** ''The Malloreon'' has these 2 Grolim {{evil sorcerer}}s:
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*** [[BigBadWannabe Harakan]], alias [[EvilSorcerer Lord Mengha, Mengha]], is one of Urvon's [[TheDragon underlings]], and the most [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder treacherous]] Grolim in the whole of ''The Malloreon''. Posing as the [[SinisterMinister leader]] of the Bear-Cult, Harakan twice sent assassins to murder Queen Ce'Nedra; mind-controlled her into nearly murdering her own son; and after his plan to trigger a war between Garion and King Anheg failed, raised the Bear-Cult in revolt in Drasnia and Cherek alike. When this plan and a subsequent one to worsen the war between Cthol Murgos and Mallorea both resulted in disaster, Harakan made contact with the [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Demon Lord Nahaz]] and [[DealWithTheDevil cut a deal with him]], whereby Nahaz would drive Urvon mad, make Harakan [[TakeOverTheWorld ruler of the world]] and by seizing the Orb of Aldur and the Sardion [[TakeAThirdOption destroy both the Light and Dark Prophecies]] and make [[{{Satan}} the King of Hell]] the new Lord of the Universe in place of [[{{God}} UL]]. He also resurrected demon-worship in Karanda; turned the Malloreon Civil War into a MeleeATrois; used Nahaz's [[LegionsOfHell demons]] to sack multiple cities and massacre their populations; and convinced young Karandese women to let Nahaz [[FetusTerrible impregnate them]], a process that would not only kill the girls, but would unleash demons that were not of this world and could not be banished. [[SmugSnake Never quite as clever or in control as he thought he was]], Harakan was nevertheless fully aware of what he was doing when he unleashed Nahaz, and was prepared to risk the destruction of the multiverse for the sake of personal power.
*** [[EvilSorceress Zandramas]], the BigBad, BigBad of ''The Malloreon'', is a former Grolim [[SinisterMinister priestess]] who liked to cut out people's hearts and [[BloodBath bathe in their blood]] while nude. Her crimes include [[BadPeopleAbuseAnimals cruelty to animals]]; [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betraying everyone who helps her]]; kidnapping Garion's son Geran; having successfully started a civil war in the east and attempting to start one in the west; [[MoreThanMindControl brainwashing Ce'Nedra]], regularly trying to break the rules of Prophecy; and [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]]. She uses ships to travel undetected, but once at her location, she kills the other sailors, often either by [[ManOnFire burning the ships]] or feeding the sailors to wild animals. Even the aforementioned Torak leaves a note to [[ArchEnemy Garion]] asking [[EvenEvilHasStandards him to stop Zandramas]].

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** ''Magician's Gambit'': [[EvilSorcerer Ctuchik]] is HighPriest of the Grolims, and [[TheDragon chief disciple]] of [[GodOfEvil Torak]], ruling Cthol Murgos in Torak's stead after the god was left comatose. Completely uninterested in awakening Torak, Ctuchik nevertheless keeps Grolim rituals of HumanSacrifice going for five hundred years, sacrificing untold thousands of slaves to a god he does not even worship in order to cement his control over the priesthood. Pursuing his [[DragonWithAnAgenda own agenda]], Ctuchik aims to TakeOverTheWorld in order to satiate his lust for power, and maintains a private [[TortureTechnician torture chamber]] for his own [[{{Sadist}} amusement]].
** ''The Malloreon'': [[EvilSorceress Zandramas]], the BigBad of this sequel series, is a former [[ReligionOfEvil Grolim]] [[SinisterMinister priestess]] who liked to cut out people's hearts and [[BloodBath bathe in their blood]] while nude. Her crimes include [[BadPeopleAbuseAnimals cruelty to animals]]; [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betraying everyone who helps her]]; kidnapping Garion's son Geran; having successfully started a civil war in the east and attempting to start one in the west; [[MoreThanMindControl brain-washing Ce'Nedra]], regularly trying to break the rules of Prophecy; and [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]]. She uses ships to travel undetected, but once at her location, she kills the other sailors, often either by [[ManOnFire burning the ships]] or feeding the sailors to wild animals. Even the Big Bad, [[GodOfEvil Torak]], leaves a note to [[ArchEnemy Garion]] asking [[EvenEvilHasStandards him to stop Zandramas]].

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** ''Magician's Gambit'': [[EvilSorcerer Ctuchik]] is HighPriest of the Grolims, [[ReligionOfEvil Grolims]], and [[TheDragon chief disciple]] of [[GodOfEvil Torak]], ruling Cthol Murgos in Torak's stead after the god was left comatose. Completely uninterested in awakening Torak, Ctuchik nevertheless keeps Grolim rituals of HumanSacrifice going for five hundred years, sacrificing untold thousands of slaves to a god he does not even worship in order to cement his control over the priesthood. Pursuing his [[DragonWithAnAgenda own agenda]], Ctuchik aims to TakeOverTheWorld in order to satiate his lust for power, and maintains a private [[TortureTechnician torture chamber]] for his own [[{{Sadist}} amusement]].
** ''The Malloreon'': Malloreon'' has these 2 Grolim {{evil sorcerer}}s:
*** [[BigBadWannabe Harakan]], alias Lord Mengha, is one of Urvon's [[TheDragon underlings]], and the most [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder treacherous]] Grolim in the whole of ''The Malloreon''. Posing as the [[SinisterMinister leader]] of the Bear-Cult, Harakan twice sent assassins to murder Queen Ce'Nedra; mind-controlled her into nearly murdering her own son; and after his plan to trigger a war between Garion and King Anheg failed, raised the Bear-Cult in revolt in Drasnia and Cherek alike. When this plan and a subsequent one to worsen the war between Cthol Murgos and Mallorea both resulted in disaster, Harakan made contact with the [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Demon Lord Nahaz]] and [[DealWithTheDevil cut a deal with him]], whereby Nahaz would drive Urvon mad, make Harakan [[TakeOverTheWorld ruler of the world]] and by seizing the Orb of Aldur and the Sardion [[TakeAThirdOption destroy both the Light and Dark Prophecies]] and make [[{{Satan}} the King of Hell]] the new Lord of the Universe in place of [[{{God}} UL]]. He also resurrected demon-worship in Karanda; turned the Malloreon Civil War into a MeleeATrois; used Nahaz's [[LegionsOfHell demons]] to sack multiple cities and massacre their populations; and convinced young Karandese women to let Nahaz [[FetusTerrible impregnate them]], a process that would not only kill the girls, but would unleash demons that were not of this world and could not be banished. [[SmugSnake Never quite as clever or in control as he thought he was]], Harakan was nevertheless fully aware of what he was doing when he unleashed Nahaz, and was prepared to risk the destruction of the multiverse for the sake of personal power.
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[[EvilSorceress Zandramas]], the BigBad of this sequel series, BigBad, is a former [[ReligionOfEvil Grolim]] Grolim [[SinisterMinister priestess]] who liked to cut out people's hearts and [[BloodBath bathe in their blood]] while nude. Her crimes include [[BadPeopleAbuseAnimals cruelty to animals]]; [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betraying everyone who helps her]]; kidnapping Garion's son Geran; having successfully started a civil war in the east and attempting to start one in the west; [[MoreThanMindControl brain-washing brainwashing Ce'Nedra]], regularly trying to break the rules of Prophecy; and [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]]. She uses ships to travel undetected, but once at her location, she kills the other sailors, often either by [[ManOnFire burning the ships]] or feeding the sailors to wild animals. Even the Big Bad, [[GodOfEvil Torak]], aforementioned Torak leaves a note to [[ArchEnemy Garion]] asking [[EvenEvilHasStandards him to stop Zandramas]].

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** ''The Malloreon'': [[EvilSorceress Zandramas]], the BigBad of this sequel series, is a former [[ReligionOfEvil Grolim]] [[SinisterMinister priestess]] who liked to cut out people's hearts and [[BloodBath bathe in their blood]] while nude. Her crimes include [[KickTheDog cruelty to animals]]; [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betraying everyone who helps her]]; kidnapping Garion's son Geran; having successfully started a civil war in the east and attempting to start one in the west; [[MoreThanMindControl brain-washing Ce'Nedra]], regularly trying to break the rules of Prophecy; and [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]]. She uses ships to travel undetected, but once at her location, she kills the other sailors, often either by [[ManOnFire burning the ships]] or feeding the sailors to wild animals. Even the Big Bad, [[GodOfEvil Torak]], leaves a note to [[ArchEnemy Garion]] asking [[EvenEvilHasStandards him to stop Zandramas]].

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** ''The Malloreon'': [[EvilSorceress Zandramas]], the BigBad of this sequel series, is a former [[ReligionOfEvil Grolim]] [[SinisterMinister priestess]] who liked to cut out people's hearts and [[BloodBath bathe in their blood]] while nude. Her crimes include [[KickTheDog [[BadPeopleAbuseAnimals cruelty to animals]]; [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betraying everyone who helps her]]; kidnapping Garion's son Geran; having successfully started a civil war in the east and attempting to start one in the west; [[MoreThanMindControl brain-washing Ce'Nedra]], regularly trying to break the rules of Prophecy; and [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]]. She uses ships to travel undetected, but once at her location, she kills the other sailors, often either by [[ManOnFire burning the ships]] or feeding the sailors to wild animals. Even the Big Bad, [[GodOfEvil Torak]], leaves a note to [[ArchEnemy Garion]] asking [[EvenEvilHasStandards him to stop Zandramas]].
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* StopHelpingMe: The Orb tries so hard to be helpful. To the point that it has to be told that its help is not required. It thought that rearranging the stars to spell "Belgarion" was a request rather than an example.

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** ''Magician's Gambit'': [[EvilSorcerer Ctuchik]] is HighPriest of the Grolims, and [[TheDragon chief disciple]] of [[GodOfEvil Torak]], ruling Cthol Murgos in Torak's stead after the god was left comatose. Completely uninterested in awakening Torak, Ctuchik nevertheless keeps Grolim rituals of HumanSacrifice going for five hundred years, sacrificing untold thousands of slaves to a god he does not even worship in order to cement his control over the priesthood. Pursuing his [[DragonWithAnAgenda own agenda]], Ctuchik aims to TakeOverTheWorld in order to satiate his lust for power, and maintains a private [[TortureTechnician torture chamber]] for his own [[{{Sadist}} amusement]]. Ctuchik is everything that his ArchEnemy [[TheMentor Belgarath]] [[EvilCounterpart is not]].
** ''The Malloreon'': [[EvilSorceress Zandramas]], the BigBad of this sequel series, is a former [[ReligionOfEvil Grolim]] [[SinisterMinister priestess]] who liked to cut out people's hearts and [[BloodBath bathe in their blood]] while nude. Her crimes include [[KickTheDog cruelty to animals]]; [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betraying everyone who helps her]]; kidnapping Garion's son Geran; having successfully started a civil war in the east and attempting to start one in the west; [[MoreThanMindControl brain-washing Ce'Nedra]], regularly trying to break the rules of Prophecy; and [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]]. She uses ships to travel undetected, but once at her location, she kills the other sailors, often either by [[ManOnFire burning the ships]] or feeding the sailors to wild animals. Even [[PhysicalGod Torak]] leaves a note to [[ArchEnemy Garion]] asking [[EvenEvilHasStandards him to stop Zandramas]].

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** ''Magician's **''Magician's Gambit'': [[EvilSorcerer Ctuchik]] is HighPriest of the Grolims, and [[TheDragon chief disciple]] of [[GodOfEvil Torak]], ruling Cthol Murgos in Torak's stead after the god was left comatose. Completely uninterested in awakening Torak, Ctuchik nevertheless keeps Grolim rituals of HumanSacrifice going for five hundred years, sacrificing untold thousands of slaves to a god he does not even worship in order to cement his control over the priesthood. Pursuing his [[DragonWithAnAgenda own agenda]], Ctuchik aims to TakeOverTheWorld in order to satiate his lust for power, and maintains a private [[TortureTechnician torture chamber]] for his own [[{{Sadist}} amusement]]. Ctuchik is everything that his ArchEnemy [[TheMentor Belgarath]] [[EvilCounterpart is not]].
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** ''The Malloreon'': [[EvilSorceress Zandramas]], the BigBad of this sequel series, is a former [[ReligionOfEvil Grolim]] [[SinisterMinister priestess]] who liked to cut out people's hearts and [[BloodBath bathe in their blood]] while nude. Her crimes include [[KickTheDog cruelty to animals]]; [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betraying everyone who helps her]]; kidnapping Garion's son Geran; having successfully started a civil war in the east and attempting to start one in the west; [[MoreThanMindControl brain-washing Ce'Nedra]], regularly trying to break the rules of Prophecy; and [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]]. She uses ships to travel undetected, but once at her location, she kills the other sailors, often either by [[ManOnFire burning the ships]] or feeding the sailors to wild animals. Even [[PhysicalGod Torak]] the Big Bad, [[GodOfEvil Torak]], leaves a note to [[ArchEnemy Garion]] asking [[EvenEvilHasStandards him to stop Zandramas]].

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** ''Magician's Gambit'': [[EvilSorcerer Ctuchik]] is HighPriest of the Grolims, and [[TheDragon chief disciple]] of [[GodOfEvil Torak]], ruling Cthol Murgos in Torak's stead after the god was left comatose. Completely uninterested in awakening Torak, Ctuchik nevertheless keeps Grolim rituals of HumanSacrifice going for five hundred years, sacrificing untold thousands of slaves to a god he does not even worship in order to cement his control over the priesthood. Pursuing his [[DragonWithAnAgenda own agenda]], Ctuchik aims to TakeOverTheWorld in order to satiate his lust for power, and maintains a private [[TortureTechnician torture chamber]] for his own [[{{Sadist}} amusement]]. Ctuchik, everything that his ArchEnemy [[TheMentor Belgarath]] [[EvilCounterpart is not]], is finally destroyed when he violates the universe's taboo against trying to unmake things, and is obliterated for his crime.
** ''The Malloreon'': [[EvilSorceress Zandramas]], the BigBad of this sequel series, is a former [[ReligionOfEvil Grolim]] [[SinisterMinister priestess]] who liked to cut out people's hearts and [[BloodBath bathe in their blood]] while nude. Her crimes include [[KickTheDog cruelty to animals]]; [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betraying everyone who helps her]]; kidnapping Garion's son Geran; having successfully started a civil war in the east and attempting to start one in the west; [[MoreThanMindControl brain-washing Ce'Nedra]], regularly trying to break the rules of Prophecy; and [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]]. She uses ships to travel undetected, but once at her location, she kills the other sailors, often either by [[ManOnFire burning the ships]] or feeding the sailors to wild animals.

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** ''Magician's **''Magician's Gambit'': [[EvilSorcerer Ctuchik]] is HighPriest of the Grolims, and [[TheDragon chief disciple]] of [[GodOfEvil Torak]], ruling Cthol Murgos in Torak's stead after the god was left comatose. Completely uninterested in awakening Torak, Ctuchik nevertheless keeps Grolim rituals of HumanSacrifice going for five hundred years, sacrificing untold thousands of slaves to a god he does not even worship in order to cement his control over the priesthood. Pursuing his [[DragonWithAnAgenda own agenda]], Ctuchik aims to TakeOverTheWorld in order to satiate his lust for power, and maintains a private [[TortureTechnician torture chamber]] for his own [[{{Sadist}} amusement]]. Ctuchik, Ctuchik is everything that his ArchEnemy [[TheMentor Belgarath]] [[EvilCounterpart is not]], is finally destroyed when he violates the universe's taboo against trying to unmake things, and is obliterated for his crime.
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** ''The Malloreon'': [[EvilSorceress Zandramas]], the BigBad of this sequel series, is a former [[ReligionOfEvil Grolim]] [[SinisterMinister priestess]] who liked to cut out people's hearts and [[BloodBath bathe in their blood]] while nude. Her crimes include [[KickTheDog cruelty to animals]]; [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betraying everyone who helps her]]; kidnapping Garion's son Geran; having successfully started a civil war in the east and attempting to start one in the west; [[MoreThanMindControl brain-washing Ce'Nedra]], regularly trying to break the rules of Prophecy; and [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]]. She uses ships to travel undetected, but once at her location, she kills the other sailors, often either by [[ManOnFire burning the ships]] or feeding the sailors to wild animals. Even [[PhysicalGod Torak]] leaves a note to [[ArchEnemy Garion]] asking [[EvenEvilHasStandards him to stop Zandramas]].

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** ''Magician's Gambit'': [[EvilSorcerer Ctuchik]] is HighPriest of the Grolims, and [[TheDragon chief disciple]] of [[GodOfEvil Torak]], ruling Cthol Murgos in Torak's stead after the god was left comatose. Completely uninterested in awakening Torak, Ctuchik nevertheless keeps Grolim rituals of HumanSacrifice going for five hundred years, sacrificing untold thousands of slaves to a god he does not even worship in order to cement his control over the priesthood. Pursuing his [[DragonWithAnAgenda own agenda]], Ctuchik aims to TakeOverTheWorld in order to satiate his lust for power, and maintains a private [[TortureTechnician torture chamber]] for his own [[{{Sadist}} amusement]]. Everything that his ArchEnemy [[TheMentor Belgarath]] [[EvilCounterpart is not]], Ctuchik is finally destroyed when he violates the universe's taboo against trying to unmake things, and is obliterated for his crime.

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** ''Magician's **''Magician's Gambit'': [[EvilSorcerer Ctuchik]] is HighPriest of the Grolims, and [[TheDragon chief disciple]] of [[GodOfEvil Torak]], ruling Cthol Murgos in Torak's stead after the god was left comatose. Completely uninterested in awakening Torak, Ctuchik nevertheless keeps Grolim rituals of HumanSacrifice going for five hundred years, sacrificing untold thousands of slaves to a god he does not even worship in order to cement his control over the priesthood. Pursuing his [[DragonWithAnAgenda own agenda]], Ctuchik aims to TakeOverTheWorld in order to satiate his lust for power, and maintains a private [[TortureTechnician torture chamber]] for his own [[{{Sadist}} amusement]]. Everything Ctuchik, everything that his ArchEnemy [[TheMentor Belgarath]] [[EvilCounterpart is not]], Ctuchik is finally destroyed when he violates the universe's taboo against trying to unmake things, and is obliterated for his crime.
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** ''The Malloreon'': [[EvilSorcerer Zandramas]], the BigBad of this sequel series, is a former [[ReligionOfEvil Grolim]] [[SinisterMinister priestess]] who liked to cut out people's hearts and [[BloodBath bathe in their blood]] while nude. Her crimes include [[KickTheDog cruelty to animals]]; [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betraying everyone who helps her]]; kidnapping Garion's son Geran; having successfully started a civil war in the east and attempting to start one in the west; [[MoreThanMindControl brain-washing Ce'Nedra]], regularly trying to break the rules of Prophecy; and [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]]. She uses ships to travel undetected, but once at her location, she kills the other sailors, often either by [[ManOnFire burning the ships]] or feeding the sailors to wild animals.

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** ''The Malloreon'': [[EvilSorcerer [[EvilSorceress Zandramas]], the BigBad of this sequel series, is a former [[ReligionOfEvil Grolim]] [[SinisterMinister priestess]] who liked to cut out people's hearts and [[BloodBath bathe in their blood]] while nude. Her crimes include [[KickTheDog cruelty to animals]]; [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betraying everyone who helps her]]; kidnapping Garion's son Geran; having successfully started a civil war in the east and attempting to start one in the west; [[MoreThanMindControl brain-washing Ce'Nedra]], regularly trying to break the rules of Prophecy; and [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]]. She uses ships to travel undetected, but once at her location, she kills the other sailors, often either by [[ManOnFire burning the ships]] or feeding the sailors to wild animals.
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** ''Magician's Gambit'': [[EvilSorcerer Ctuchik]] from is HighPriest of the Grolims, and [[TheDragon chief disciple]] of [[GodOfEvil Torak]], ruling Cthol Murgos in Torak's stead after the god was left comatose. Completely uninterested in awakening Torak, Ctuchik nevertheless keeps Grolim rituals of HumanSacrifice going for five hundred years, sacrificing untold thousands of slaves to a god he does not even worship in order to cement his control over the priesthood. Pursuing his [[DragonWithAnAgenda own agenda]], Ctuchik aims to TakeOverTheWorld in order to satiate his lust for power, and maintains a private [[TortureTechnician torture chamber]] for his own [[{{Sadist}} amusement]]. Everything that his ArchEnemy [[TheMentor Belgarath]] [[EvilCounterpart is not]], Ctuchik is finally destroyed when he violates the universe's taboo against trying to unmake things, and is obliterated for his crime.

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** ''Magician's Gambit'': [[EvilSorcerer Ctuchik]] from is HighPriest of the Grolims, and [[TheDragon chief disciple]] of [[GodOfEvil Torak]], ruling Cthol Murgos in Torak's stead after the god was left comatose. Completely uninterested in awakening Torak, Ctuchik nevertheless keeps Grolim rituals of HumanSacrifice going for five hundred years, sacrificing untold thousands of slaves to a god he does not even worship in order to cement his control over the priesthood. Pursuing his [[DragonWithAnAgenda own agenda]], Ctuchik aims to TakeOverTheWorld in order to satiate his lust for power, and maintains a private [[TortureTechnician torture chamber]] for his own [[{{Sadist}} amusement]]. Everything that his ArchEnemy [[TheMentor Belgarath]] [[EvilCounterpart is not]], Ctuchik is finally destroyed when he violates the universe's taboo against trying to unmake things, and is obliterated for his crime.

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** ''The Malloreon'': [[EvilSorcerer Zandramas]], the BigBad of this sequel series, is a former [[Grolim ReligionOfEvil]] [[SinisterMinister priestess]] who liked to cut out people's hearts and [[BloodBath bathe in their blood]] while nude. Her crimes include [[KickTheDog cruelty to animals]]; [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betraying everyone who helps her]]; kidnapping Garion's son Geran; having successfully started a civil war in the east and attempting to start one in the west; [[MoreThanMindControl brain-washing Ce'Nedra]], regularly trying to break the rules of Prophecy; and [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]]. She uses ships to travel undetected, but once at her location, she kills the other sailors, often either by [[ManOnFire burning the ships]] or feeding the sailors to wild animals.

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** ''The Malloreon'': [[EvilSorcerer Zandramas]], the BigBad of this sequel series, is a former [[Grolim ReligionOfEvil]] [[ReligionOfEvil Grolim]] [[SinisterMinister priestess]] who liked to cut out people's hearts and [[BloodBath bathe in their blood]] while nude. Her crimes include [[KickTheDog cruelty to animals]]; [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betraying everyone who helps her]]; kidnapping Garion's son Geran; having successfully started a civil war in the east and attempting to start one in the west; [[MoreThanMindControl brain-washing Ce'Nedra]], regularly trying to break the rules of Prophecy; and [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]]. She uses ships to travel undetected, but once at her location, she kills the other sailors, often either by [[ManOnFire burning the ships]] or feeding the sailors to wild animals.

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* CompleteMonster: [[EvilSorcerer Ctuchik]] from ''Magician's Gambit'' is HighPriest of the Grolims, and [[TheDragon chief disciple]] of [[GodOfEvil Torak]], ruling Cthol Murgos in Torak's stead after the god was left comatose. Completely uninterested in awakening Torak, Ctuchik nevertheless keeps Grolim rituals of HumanSacrifice going for five hundred years, sacrificing untold thousands of slaves to a god he does not even worship in order to cement his control over the priesthood. Pursuing his [[DragonWithAnAgenda own agenda]], Ctuchik aims to TakeOverTheWorld in order to satiate his lust for power, and maintains a private [[TortureTechnician torture chamber]] for his own [[{{Sadist}} amusement]]. Everything that his ArchEnemy [[TheMentor Belgarath]] [[EvilCounterpart is not]], Ctuchik is finally destroyed when he violates the universe's taboo against trying to unmake things, and is obliterated for his crime.

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* CompleteMonster: CompleteMonster:
**''Magician's Gambit'':
[[EvilSorcerer Ctuchik]] from ''Magician's Gambit'' is HighPriest of the Grolims, and [[TheDragon chief disciple]] of [[GodOfEvil Torak]], ruling Cthol Murgos in Torak's stead after the god was left comatose. Completely uninterested in awakening Torak, Ctuchik nevertheless keeps Grolim rituals of HumanSacrifice going for five hundred years, sacrificing untold thousands of slaves to a god he does not even worship in order to cement his control over the priesthood. Pursuing his [[DragonWithAnAgenda own agenda]], Ctuchik aims to TakeOverTheWorld in order to satiate his lust for power, and maintains a private [[TortureTechnician torture chamber]] for his own [[{{Sadist}} amusement]]. Everything that his ArchEnemy [[TheMentor Belgarath]] [[EvilCounterpart is not]], Ctuchik is finally destroyed when he violates the universe's taboo against trying to unmake things, and is obliterated for his crime.crime.
**''The Malloreon'': [[EvilSorcerer Zandramas]], the BigBad of this sequel series, is a former [[Grolim ReligionOfEvil]] [[SinisterMinister priestess]] who liked to cut out people's hearts and [[BloodBath bathe in their blood]] while nude. Her crimes include [[KickTheDog cruelty to animals]]; [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betraying everyone who helps her]]; kidnapping Garion's son Geran; having successfully started a civil war in the east and attempting to start one in the west; [[MoreThanMindControl brain-washing Ce'Nedra]], regularly trying to break the rules of Prophecy; and [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]]. She uses ships to travel undetected, but once at her location, she kills the other sailors, often either by [[ManOnFire burning the ships]] or feeding the sailors to wild animals.
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* CompleteMonster: ''The Malloreon'' has Zandramas. Between [[BadBoss betraying everyone who helps her]], kidnapping Garion's son, attempting to start a civil war in the West, having successfully started one in the east, [[EvilIsNotAToy consorting with demons]], [[MoreThanMindControl brain-washing Ce'Nedra]], regularly trying to break the rules of Prophecy, [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]], [[KickTheDog cruelty to animals]], and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking standing around naked in front of a toddler]], she ''really'' pushes the envelope. That's all on top of already being a priestess of a ReligionOfEvil who liked to cut out people's hearts and [[BloodBath bathe in their blood]] while nude. Even ''[[GodOfEvil Torak]]'' and ''[[BiggerBad The Dark Prophecy]]'' [[EvenEvilHasStandards think she was a psycho]].

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* CompleteMonster: ''The Malloreon'' has Zandramas. Between [[BadBoss betraying everyone who helps her]], kidnapping Garion's son, attempting to start a civil war in [[EvilSorcerer Ctuchik]] from ''Magician's Gambit'' is HighPriest of the West, having successfully started one Grolims, and [[TheDragon chief disciple]] of [[GodOfEvil Torak]], ruling Cthol Murgos in Torak's stead after the east, [[EvilIsNotAToy consorting with demons]], [[MoreThanMindControl brain-washing Ce'Nedra]], regularly god was left comatose. Completely uninterested in awakening Torak, Ctuchik nevertheless keeps Grolim rituals of HumanSacrifice going for five hundred years, sacrificing untold thousands of slaves to a god he does not even worship in order to cement his control over the priesthood. Pursuing his [[DragonWithAnAgenda own agenda]], Ctuchik aims to TakeOverTheWorld in order to satiate his lust for power, and maintains a private [[TortureTechnician torture chamber]] for his own [[{{Sadist}} amusement]]. Everything that his ArchEnemy [[TheMentor Belgarath]] [[EvilCounterpart is not]], Ctuchik is finally destroyed when he violates the universe's taboo against trying to break the rules of Prophecy, [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]], [[KickTheDog cruelty to animals]], unmake things, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking standing around naked in front of a toddler]], she ''really'' pushes the envelope. That's all on top of already being a priestess of a ReligionOfEvil who liked to cut out people's hearts and [[BloodBath bathe in their blood]] while nude. Even ''[[GodOfEvil Torak]]'' and ''[[BiggerBad The Dark Prophecy]]'' [[EvenEvilHasStandards think she was a psycho]].is obliterated for his crime.
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* RelationshipWritingFumble: Polgara and Beldaran are twin sisters, but in ''Polgara the Sorceress'', Pol's descriptions of her love for Beldaran imply something much more {{Twincest}}-y.

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* RelationshipWritingFumble: Polgara and Beldaran are twin sisters, but in ''Polgara the Sorceress'', Pol's descriptions of her love for Beldaran imply something much more {{Twincest}}-y.{{Twincest}}uous.
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** '''Zedar.''' How in control of/aware of his actions was he while under Torak's control, and therefore how accountable should he be held for them? Was he a tragic character whose only mistake was thinking he could take on Torak on his own, or was he a DirtyCoward who used the mind control as an excuse to avoid facing up to all the terrible things he did? If it's the latter, then his final, AndIMustScream fate is LaserGuidedKarma, but if it's the former, then's both DisproportionateRetribution and a CruelAndUnusualPunishment on Belgarath's part. It certainly doesn't help analysis of his character that Belgarath, Polgara, and Beldin are all looking at him through an ''extremely'' personal and emotional point of view, and are therefore no way willing to look at him from any sort of charitable perspective, much less an ''objective'' one.

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** '''Zedar.''' How in control of/aware of his actions was he while under Torak's control, and therefore how accountable should he be held for them? Was he a tragic character whose only mistake was thinking he could take on Torak on his own, or was he a DirtyCoward who used the mind control as an excuse to avoid facing up to all the terrible things he did? If it's the latter, then his final, AndIMustScream fate is LaserGuidedKarma, but if it's the former, then's both DisproportionateRetribution and a CruelAndUnusualPunishment [[ColdBloodedTorture cruel and unusual punishment]] on Belgarath's part. It certainly doesn't help analysis of his character that Belgarath, Polgara, and Beldin are all looking at him through an ''extremely'' personal and emotional point of view, and are therefore no way willing to look at him from any sort of charitable perspective, much less an ''objective'' one.



* TheScrappy: Ce'Nedra just ''barely'' misses becoming this, and that only because of her CrowningMomentOfAwesome. Although, to some fans the CMOA wasn't enough to save her.

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* TheScrappy: Ce'Nedra just ''barely'' misses becoming this, and that only because of her CrowningMomentOfAwesome.SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome. Although, to some fans the CMOA wasn't enough to save her.



* TastesLikeDiabetes: The denouement of ''The Malloreon'', where everyone pairs off with their LoveInterest and has BabiesEverAfter. {{Lampshaded}} by Silk.

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* TastesLikeDiabetes: The denouement of ''The Malloreon'', where everyone pairs off with their LoveInterest and has BabiesEverAfter. {{Lampshaded}} [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] by Silk.
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** '''Zedar.''' How in control of/aware of his actions was he while under Zedar's control, and therefore how accountable should he be held for them? Was he a tragic character whose only mistake was thinking he could take on Torak on his own, or was he a DirtyCoward who used the mind control as an excuse to avoid facing up to all the terrible things he did? If it's the latter, then his final, AndIMustScream fate is LaserGuidedKarma, but if it's the latter, then's both DisproportionateRetribution and a CruelAndUnusualPunishment on Belgarath's part. It certainly doesn't help analysis of his character that Belgarath, Polgara, and Beldin are all looking at him through an ''extremely'' personal and emotional point of view, and are therefore no way willing to look at him from any sort of charitable perspective, much less an ''objective'' one.

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** '''Zedar.''' How in control of/aware of his actions was he while under Zedar's Torak's control, and therefore how accountable should he be held for them? Was he a tragic character whose only mistake was thinking he could take on Torak on his own, or was he a DirtyCoward who used the mind control as an excuse to avoid facing up to all the terrible things he did? If it's the latter, then his final, AndIMustScream fate is LaserGuidedKarma, but if it's the latter, former, then's both DisproportionateRetribution and a CruelAndUnusualPunishment on Belgarath's part. It certainly doesn't help analysis of his character that Belgarath, Polgara, and Beldin are all looking at him through an ''extremely'' personal and emotional point of view, and are therefore no way willing to look at him from any sort of charitable perspective, much less an ''objective'' one.
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