History YMMV / TheArknverse

* OvershadowedByControversy: While the Arknverse had a modest fan base in its heyday, it's remembered nowadays for the ugly behind-the-scenes drama that plagued the Arknthology. The working relationships between [=DeathlyLogic=], [=Type0Negative=], and [=FeralWasteland=] (the three most prominent creators of Arknverse) were extremely volatile, leading the latter two men to depart from and return to the franchise multiple times between 2016 and 2018. Among other things, [=Type0Negative=] was unhappy with [=DeathlyLogic=]'s characterization of Gilgamesh, while [=FeralWasteland=] found fault with [=DeathlyLogic=]'s attitude (which he described as "prideful" and "egotistical"). This led to major delays in plotting, numerous plotline [[SoftReboot reboots]], and the cancellations of numerous spinoff series'. Both men would finally depart from the franchise permanently in mid-2018.
* UnfortunateImplications: [=DeathlyLogic=] removed the references to Michaelis/Azrael's sexuality almost entirely in the early episodes of ''Solar's Crimson'' to avoid the potentially negative implications of a gay man ending up Hell (and [[NightmareFuel what could be done to him there]]).

** A number of fans made light of the fact that Ellpagg always appears to be wearing {{Guyliner}} during his most intense emotional outbursts. [=DeathlyLogic=] even made a video spoofing it. Then DL revealed that [[spoiler: every time Ellpagg is wearing black eye makeup, he’s actually being possessed or influenced by The Carver. And it was confirmed onscreen (in ''Acquaintences'')]].
** In Chapter 7 of ''The Writings of Raziel'', we learn that Raziel began to seek out the company of humans on Earth some time after Azazel's sentencing, because he found himself “cold and hurt from the ways of the Aristocracy, Religious Leaders, and the overall lack of hope, empathy, and joy in the everyday meanderings of life”. Initially, the reader assumes that this is because of the Watchers affair. Several chapters later, however, it's revealed that [[spoiler: sometime prior to the Watchers incident, the Council of Paradisium turned on him (for the crime of violating his vow of celibacy and producing children) and had his family brutally executed in public -- while he was ForcedToWatch]]. No wonder he wanted nothing to do with the Arkn cause.
** In "The Court of Three Kings", we learn that Uriel sent himself to The Infernous because he felt that he deserved to suffer for "abandon[ing] his people"; the wiki further revealed that Uriel defected after he was jailed for beheading a member of his own council, after discovering that they sent his friend and fellow knight, Ellpagg, to The Infernous as a prisoner to be tortured and corrupted. That in itself is bad, but it becomes even more heart-wrenching when it's revealed (in the ''Michael's Camera'' episode "Call To Arms") that Ellpagg isn't just Uriel's friend, but his ''son''.
*** It gets worse a bit later, when we learn the ''real'' reason Uriel chose to send himself to The Infernous: [[spoiler: he made a deal with the Carver, and agreed to create a physical vessel for Malek's scrolls -- in exchange for full control over the Infernous. Not only did he make a deal with the arch-enemy of his people, but he had the power to free Ellpagg from his torment at any time -- and instead chose to wallow in his own self pity]]. Abandoned his people, indeed. The in-universe [[TheReveal reveal]] is enough to cause a complete, centuries-long falling out between the Arknza.
*** This also makes Malek's efforts to snap Uriel out of his Infernous-induced stupor (and his anger over Uriel's refusal to do so) a bit more heartwrenching: Malek doesn't just want Uriel to "wake up" because he's his friend, he wants him to do it because ''Ellpagg is suffering''!

* OvershadowedByControversy: While the Arknverse had a modest fan base in its heyday, it's remembered nowadays for the ugly behind-the-scenes drama that plagued the Arknthology. The working relationships between [=DeathlyLogic=], [=Type0Negative=], and [=FeralWasteland=] (the three most prominent creators of Arknverse) were extremely volatile, leading the latter two men to depart from and return to the franchise multiple times between 2016 and 2018. Among other things, [=Type0Negative=] was unhappy with [=DeathlyLogic=]'s characterization of Gilgamesh, while [=FeralWasteland=] found fault with [=DeathlyLogic=]'s attitude (which he described as "prideful" and "egotistical"). This led to major delays in plotting, numerous plotline [[SoftReboot reboots]], and the cancellations of numerous spinoff series'. Both men would finally depart from the franchise permanently in mid-2018.

* FunnyAneurysmMoment: In “I have to shoot myself in the face”, Michael learns how to jump between timelines (“.hop”) by [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin shooting himself in the head]] with one of Edgar Kharon’s revolvers (which causes an instant Debigrath Effect). It's PlayedForLaughs, due to Michael’s [[DeathIsCheap instantaneous resurrections]] (which sometimes land him in awkward situations) and his general incompetence. At the end of Season 3, however, [[spoiler: Michael is KilledOffForReal by a headshot from one of Edgar’s other revolvers -- fired by his own double, Michaelis]]. This was intentional foreshadowing on the part of [=DeathlyLogic=].

* HarsherInHindsight: In Chapter 7 of ''The Writings of Raziel'', we learn that Raziel began to seek out the company of humans on Earth some time after Azazel's sentencing, because he found himself “cold and hurt from the ways of the Aristocracy, Religious Leaders, and the overall lack of hope, empathy, and joy in the everyday meanderings of life”. Initially, the reader assumes that this is because of the Watchers affair. Several chapters later, however, it's revealed that [[spoiler: sometime prior to the Watchers incident, the Council of Paradisium turned on him (for the crime of violating his vow of celibacy and producing children) and had his family brutally executed in public -- while he was ForcedToWatch]]. No wonder he wanted nothing to do with the Arkn cause.

* MisaimedFandom: Tour Guide Michael (''Michael's Camera'') is a sleazy creep who likes toilet humor, uses the House’s joint bedroom to masturbate, and (or so we’re told) was sentenced to the Infernous because he was into “kiddy porn”. The viewers, however, adored him, mainly because of his twisted, frank sense of humor.
* OvershadowedByControversy: While the Arknverse had a modest fan base in its heyday, it's remembered nowadays for the ugly behind-the-scenes drama that plagued the Arknthology. The working relationship between [=DeathlyLogic=], [=Type0Negative=], and [=FeralWasteland=] was extremely volatile, leading the latter two men to depart from and return to the franchise multiple times between 2016 and 2018. Among other things, [=Type0Negative=] was unhappy with [=DeathlyLogic=]'s characterization of Gilgamesh, while [=FeralWasteland=] found fault with [=DeathlyLogic=]'s attitude (which he described as "prideful" and "egotistical". This led to major delays in plotting, many plotline [[SoftReboot reboots]], and the cancellations of numerous spinoff series'. Finally, both men departed from the franchise permanently in mid-2018.

* OvershadowedByControversy: While the Arknverse had a modest fan base in its heyday, it's remembered nowadays for the ugly behind-the-scenes drama that plagued the Arknthology. The working relationship between [=DeathlyLogic=], [=Type0Negative=], and [=FeralWasteland=] was extremely volatile, leading the latter two men to depart from and return to the franchise multiple times between 2016 and 2018. Among other things, [=Type0Negative=] was unhappy with [=DeathlyLogic=]'s characterization of Gilgamesh, while [=FeralWasteland=] found fault with [=DeathlyLogic=]'s attitude (which he described as "prideful" and "egotistical". This led to major delays in plotting, many plotline [[SoftReboot reboots]], and the cancellations of numerous spinoff series'.
Finally, both men departed from the franchise permanently in mid-2018.

* CompleteMonster:
** [[TheCaligula Gilga'mesh Xeth'i'stral]] used his fame and status as a war hero to become the first king of [[Characters/TheArknverseArkn the Arkn]]. A bigoted wife-beater behind closed doors, [[FantasticRacism Gilgamesh]] promotes the racist belief that all Dekn are "mistakes" of the Hethe and therefore inherently inferior to his race. Ruling over the Golden Cities with an iron fist, Gilgamesh began conducting [[FalseFlagOperation false flag attacks]] and blaming them on the Dekn to keep the war going with him in power--in one notable instance, Gilgamesh razed Carrowind to the ground for supposedly harboring a single Dekn refugee, leaving no survivors. Seeking to punish Raziel for falling in love with a commoner, Gilgamesh had his children executed in front of him and then--fearing a revolution that could depose him--launched brutal purges in Paradisium to exterminate his community of magick practitioners. Having hypocritically allied himself with the Dekn Emperor--the legendary Carver--Gilgamesh sacrificed millions of humans and his own personal guard in a staged battle that ended with Gilgamesh faking his own death to help with the creation of [[{{Hell}} the Infernous]].
** Adam Spirit returns as the [[SerialKiller Hooks Killer]] and, while seemingly confined to a single timeline, is virtually identical to his non-canon counterpart in terms of his sadism, twisted nature, and love of atrocities--such that [[EvenEvilHasStandards the Carver himself]] refers to him as a "monster". This version of Hooks is also Carver's partner and, not content with simply freeing him into .Reality, he decides, [[ForTheEvulz just because he can]], to go public about the Arkn and Dekn--setting off the [[RealityBreakingParadox May 15th Catastrophe]], which causes a system-wide crash that obliterates multiple timelines and countless lives. The last time he's seen onscreen, he guts Michael Knight, sending him to the Infernous to be tormented by the Carver, who then claims him as a vessel. Hooks may be [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters a mere human]], but he proves himself to be far more deplorable than most supernatural entities in the setting.
** Elius'Exe'Deus--simplified as [[TeensAreMonsters Elias Exodus]]--is a sociopathic half-Arkn boy and grandson of the Carver. As a {{Nephilim}}, he survived genocide by hiding in the Hybrid Grounds; once left to his own devices, Elias wasted little time in slaughtering all the other children and [[SoulEating absorbing their souls]]. In 2015, Elias returns as an amnesiac suffering from voices inside his head. Once his memories "return" when Vine saves him from committing suicide, Elias reveals that he's been faking his amnesia--the "voices" he hears are his victims screaming, [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming much to his delight]]--and thanks Vine for saving him by leaving him to rot in the Hybrid Grounds for eternity. After departing, Elias is intent on consuming both Arkn and Dekn to [[GodhoodSeeker become a living god]], bragging and laughing about having driven his own race to extinction.
** [[HornyDevils Reyn]] is a particularly sadistic lesser [[Characters/TheArknverseDekn Dekn]] who works for the Carver's empire as his own PsychoForHire. Often visiting Earth to [[WarForFunAndProfit instigate war and terror]] by turning mortal men against each other, Reyn has a nasty habit of gaining the trust of her victims by taking the shape of a woman [[ShapeshiftingSeducer that they lust for]] before executing her prey. When given the mission to wipe out an entire French family, Reyn seduces the patriarch and brutally murders him for failing to satisfy her in bed. When her brother decides to save a human baby, Reyn tries to kill the child herself and, furious at him for betraying her, personally leads a task force to hunt him down, with the implication that Reyn ultimately managed to find her brother and killed him for revenge.

* MisaimedFandom: Tour Guide Michael (''Michael's Camera'') is a sleazy creep who likes toilet humor, uses the House’s joint bedroom to masturbate, and (or so we’re told) was sentenced to the Infernous because he was into “kiddy porn”. The viewers, however, adored him, mainly because of his twisted, frank sense of humor.

* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Gilgamesh a cold, cruel, calculating monster who deliberately sold out his own people in a selfish grab for more power? Or was he simply a greedy, [[EvilIsDumb foolish]] JerkAss?

* FunnyAneurysmMoment: In “I have to shoot myself in the face”, Michael learns how to jump between timelines (“.hop”) by [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin shooting himself in the head]] with one of Edgar Kharon’s revolvers (which causes an instant Debigrath Effect). This is played off in a humorous manner, due to Michael’s [[DeathIsCheap instantaneous resurrections]] (which sometimes land him in awkward situations) and his incompetence. At the end of Season 3, [[spoiler: Michael is KilledOffForReal by a headshot from one of Edgar’s other revolvers -- fired by his own double, Michaelis.]] This was intentional foreshadowing on the part of [=DeathlyLogic=].
** A number of fans made light of the fact that Ellpagg always appears to be wearing {{Guyliner}} during his most intense emotional outbursts. [=DeathlyLogic=] even made a video spoofing it. Some time after the (initial) cancellation of ''Solar’s Crimson'', DL revealed that [[spoiler: every time Ellpagg is wearing black eye makeup, he’s actually being possessed or influenced by the Carver]].

** A number of fans made light of the fact that Ellpagg often always appears to be wearing {{Guyliner}} during his most intense emotional outbursts. [=DeathlyLogic=] even made a video spoofing it. Some time after the cancellation of ''Solar’s Crimson'', DL revealed that [[spoiler: every time Ellpagg is wearing black eye makeup, he’s actually being possessed by the Carver]].
* HarsherInHindsight: In Chapter 7 of ''The Writings of Raziel'', we learn that Raziel began to seek out the company of humans on Earth some time after Azazel's sentencing, because he found himself “cold and hurt from the ways of the Aristocracy, Religious Leaders, and the overall lack of hope, empathy, and joy in the everyday meanderings of life”. Initially, the reader assumes that this is because of the Watchers affair. Several chapters later, it's revealed that [[spoiler: sometime prior to the Watchers incident, the Council of Paradisium turned on him (for the crime of violating his law of celibacy and producing children) and had his family brutally executed in public -- while he was ForcedToWatch]]. No wonder he wanted nothing to do with the Arkn.
** In "The Court of Three Kings", we learn that Uriel sent himself to The Infernous because he felt he deserved to suffer for "abandon[ing] his people"; the wiki further revealed that Uriel had left his kingdom after being jailed for beheading a member of his own council -- after discovering that they had sent his "friend", Ellpagg, to the Infernous as a prisoner (rather than to kill the Carver). That in itself is bad enough -- but his story becomes even more heart-wrenching when it's revealed (in the ''Michael's Camera'' episode "Call To Arms") that Ellpagg wasn't just Uriel's friend, but his ''son''.
*** It gets worse a bit later, when we learn the ''real'' reason Uriel chose to send himself to the Infernous: [[spoiler: he made a deal with the Carver, and agreed to create a physical vessel for Malek's scrolls -- in exchange for full control over the Infernous. Not only did he make a deal with the arch-enemy of his people, but he had the power to free Ellpagg from his torment at any time -- and instead chose to wallow in his own self pity]]. TheReveal in-universe is enough to cause a complete falling out between the Arknza, which apparently lasts for ''centuries''.
*** This also makes Malek's efforts to snap Uriel out of his Infernous-induced stupor (and his anger over Uriel's refusal to do so) a bit more heartwrenching. He doesn't just want Uriel to end his own suffering because he's his friend, he wants him to do it because ''Ellpagg is suffering''!
** In a meta example: the brutal fight between Raphael and Azrael, in light of the bitter falling-out between [=FeralWasteland=] and [=DeathlyLogic=].

*** It gets worse a bit later, when we learn the ''real'' reason Uriel chose to send himself to the Infernous: [[spoiler: he made a deal with the Carver, and agreed to create a physical vessel for Malek's scrolls -- in exchange for full control over the Infernous. Not only did he make a deal with the arch-enemy of his people, but he had the power to free Ellpagg from his torment at any time -- and instead chose to wallow in his own self pity]]. TheReveal is enough to cause a complete falling out between the Arknza, which apparently lasts for ''centuries''.

* HarsherInHindsight: In Chapter 7 of ''The Writings of Raziel'', we learn that Raziel began to seek out the company of humans on Earth some time after Azazel's sentencing, because he found himself “cold and hurt from the ways of the Aristocracy, Religious Leaders, and the overall lack of hope, empathy, and joy in the everyday meanderings of life”. Initially, the reader assumes that this is because of the Watchers affair. Several chapters later, it's revealed that [[spoiler: sometime prior to that, the Council of Paradisium turned against Raziel and had his family brutally executed in public]]. No wonder he wanted nothing to do with the Arkn.

* MisaimedFandom: Tour Guide Michael is a sleazy creep who likes toilet humor, uses the House’s joint bedroom to masturbate, and (or so we’re told) was sentenced to the Infernous because he was into “kiddy porn”. The viewers, however, adored him, mainly because of his twisted, frank sense of humor.

* JustForFun/XMeetsY: Creator [=DeathlyLogic=] has described the Mythos as "Series/{{Supernatural}} and {{The Matrix}} had a three-way with the [[Franchise/TheSlenderManMythos Slenderverse]] (without Slenderman)".

* JustForFun/XMeetsY: Creator [=DeathlyLogic=] has described the Mythos as "{{Supernatural}} and {{The Matrix}} had a three-way with the [[Franchise/TheSlenderManMythos Slenderverse]] (without Slenderman)".

* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Gilgamesh a cold, cruel, calculating monster who sold out his own people in a selfish grab for more power? Or was he simply a greedy, foolish JerkAss who had a change of heart at the last minute?

* JustForFun/XMeetsY: Creator [=DeathlyLogic=] has described the Mythos as "{{Supernatural}} and {{The Matrix}} had a three-way with the [[Franchise/TheSlenderManMythos Slenderverse]] (without Slenderman)".

* FunnyAneurysmMoment: In “I have to shoot myself in the face”, Michael learns how to jump between timelines (“.hop”) by [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin shooting himself in the head]] with one of Edgar Kharon’s revolvers (which causes an instantaneous Debigrath Effect). This is played off in a humorous manner, due to Michael’s [[DeathIsCheap instantaneous resurrections]] (which sometimes land him in awkward situations) and his incompetence. At the end of Season 3, [[spoiler: Michael is KilledOffForReal by a headshot from one of Edgar’s other revolvers -- fired by his own double, Michaelis.]] This was intentional foreshadowing on the part of [==DeathlyLogic=].

* HarsherInHindsight: In Chapter 7 of ''The Writings of Raziel'', we learn that Raziel began to seek out the company of humans on Earth some time after Azazel's sentencing, because he found himself “cold and hurt from the ways of the Aristocracy, Religious Leaders, and the overall lack of hope, empathy, and joy in the everyday meanderings of life”. Initially, the reader assumes that this is because of the Watchers affair. Several chapters later, Raziel reveals that it was much worst than that: [[spoiler: sometime after the Watchers affair, the Council of the Paradisium turned against him and had his family executed in front of him before having him exiled]]. No wonder he wanted nothing to do with the Arkn.

* HarsherInHindsight: In Chapter 7 of ''The Writings of Raziel'', we learn that Raziel began to seek out the company of humans on Earth some time after Azazel's sentencing, because he found himself “cold and hurt from the ways of the Aristocracy, Religious Leaders, and the overall lack of hope, empathy, and joy in the everyday meanderings of life”. Initially, the reader assumes that this is because of the Watchers affair. Several chapters later, Raziel reveals that it was much worst than that: [[spoiler: sometime before the Watchers affair, the Council of the Paradisium turned against him and had his family executed in front of him before having him exiled]]. No wonder he wanted nothing to do with the Arkn.