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* FourthWallMyopia: Many of the issues the fans have with the Titans' behavior in this episode can be attributed to knowledge the Titans would have no way of knowing at the time, such as the existence of a second Man-Beast/Adonis, the signs of a struggle in Beast Boy's room, or the Beast Boy!Man-Beast being gentle and protective of Raven. From the Titans perspective, ''something'' attacked Raven and thrashed Beast Boy's room, dragged Raven into the sewer and possibly ''killed'' Beast Boy after finding the remains of his belt, and was holding her unconscious form in its jaw when they found her. Then, upon learning it's Beast Boy they were chasing, they're faced with the prospect that one of their friends hurt another badly enough to leave her in a coma-like state, his behavior now extremely aggressive, and is possibly a danger to himself and others, with no way of helping him if they don't find out what happened, with time being of the essence. They can be forgiven for acting less than rational with that in mind, Robin in particular for taking a page from Batman in his fearing the worst and acting confrontational as a result.

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* FourthWallMyopia: Many of the issues the fans have with the Titans' behavior in this episode can be attributed to knowledge the Titans would have no way of knowing at the time, such as the existence of a second Man-Beast/Adonis, the signs of a struggle in Beast Boy's room, or the Beast Boy!Man-Beast being gentle and protective of Raven. From the Titans Titans' perspective, ''something'' attacked Raven and thrashed Beast Boy's room, dragged Raven into the sewer and possibly ''killed'' Beast Boy after finding the remains of his belt, and was holding her unconscious form in its jaw when they found her. Then, upon learning it's Beast Boy they were chasing, they're faced with the prospect that one of their friends hurt another badly enough to leave her in a coma-like state, his behavior now extremely aggressive, and is possibly a danger to himself and others, with no way of helping him if they don't find out what happened, with time being of the essence. They can be forgiven for acting less than rational with that in mind, Robin in particular for taking a page from Batman in his fearing the worst and acting confrontational as a result.

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* FourthWallMyopia: Many of the issues the fans have with the Titan's behavior in this episode can be attributed to knowledge the Titans would have no way of knowing at the time, such as the existence of a second Man-Beast/Adonis, the signs of a struggle in Beast Boy's room, or the Beast Boy!Man-Beast being gentle and protective of Raven. From the Titans perspective, ''something'' attacked Raven and thrashed Beast Boy's room, dragged Raven into the sewer and possibly ''killed'' Beast Boy after finding the remains of his belt, and was holding her unconscious form in its jaw when they found her. Then, upon learning it's Beast Boy they were chasing, they're faced with the prospect that one of their friends hurt another badly enough to leave her in a coma-like state, his behavior now extremely aggressive, and is possibly a danger to himself and others, with no way of helping him if they don't find out what happened, with time being of the essence. They can be forgiven for acting less than rational with that in mind, Robin in particular for taking a page from Batman in his fearing the worst and acting confrontational as a result.

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* FourthWallMyopia: Many of the issues the fans have with the Titan's Titans' behavior in this episode can be attributed to knowledge the Titans would have no way of knowing at the time, such as the existence of a second Man-Beast/Adonis, the signs of a struggle in Beast Boy's room, or the Beast Boy!Man-Beast being gentle and protective of Raven. From the Titans perspective, ''something'' attacked Raven and thrashed Beast Boy's room, dragged Raven into the sewer and possibly ''killed'' Beast Boy after finding the remains of his belt, and was holding her unconscious form in its jaw when they found her. Then, upon learning it's Beast Boy they were chasing, they're faced with the prospect that one of their friends hurt another badly enough to leave her in a coma-like state, his behavior now extremely aggressive, and is possibly a danger to himself and others, with no way of helping him if they don't find out what happened, with time being of the essence. They can be forgiven for acting less than rational with that in mind, Robin in particular for taking a page from Batman in his fearing the worst and acting confrontational as a result.
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* PlatonicWritingRomanticReading: WordOfGod insists that Beast Boy and Raven weren't written as a couple and that the GoldenMoment is nothing more than the resolution of their conflict, but the fact that the Man-Beast was actually ''protecting'' Raven (despite Beast Boy nearly coming to blows with her himself) reads like a huge AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther moment. Worse, Raven telling Beast Boy that responsible use of the Man-Beast makes him a man only sets up more accidental ShipTease in the next season when he busts the form out [[Recap/TeenTitansS4E11TheEndPartOne to protect Raven once more]].

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* PlatonicWritingRomanticReading: WordOfGod insists that Beast Boy and Raven weren't written as a couple and that the GoldenMoment LessonOfTheDaySpeech is nothing more than the resolution of their conflict, but the fact that the Man-Beast was actually ''protecting'' Raven (despite Beast Boy nearly coming to blows with her himself) reads like a huge AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther moment. Worse, Raven telling Beast Boy that responsible use of the Man-Beast makes him a man only sets up more accidental ShipTease in the next season when he busts the form out [[Recap/TeenTitansS4E11TheEndPartOne to protect Raven once more]].
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* FourthWallMyopia: Many of the issues the fans have with the Titan's behavior in this episode can be attributed to knowledge the Titans would have no way of knowing at the time, such as the existence of a second Man-Beast/Adonis, the signs of a struggle in Beast Boy's room, or the Beast Boy!Man-Beast being gentle and protective of Raven. From the Titans perspective, ''something'' attacked Raven and thrashed Beast Boy's room, dragged Raven into the sewer and possibly ''killed'' Beast Boy after finding the remains of his belt, and was holding her unconscious form in it's jaw when they found her. Then, upon learning it's Beast Boy they were chasing, they're faced with the prospect that one of their friends hurt another badly enough to leave her in a coma-like state, his behavior now extremely aggressive, and is possibly a danger to himself and others, with no way of helping him if they don't find out what happened, with time being of the essence. They can be forgiven for acting less than rational with that in mind, Robin in particular for taking a page from Batman in his fearing the worst and acting confrontational as a result.

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* FourthWallMyopia: Many of the issues the fans have with the Titan's behavior in this episode can be attributed to knowledge the Titans would have no way of knowing at the time, such as the existence of a second Man-Beast/Adonis, the signs of a struggle in Beast Boy's room, or the Beast Boy!Man-Beast being gentle and protective of Raven. From the Titans perspective, ''something'' attacked Raven and thrashed Beast Boy's room, dragged Raven into the sewer and possibly ''killed'' Beast Boy after finding the remains of his belt, and was holding her unconscious form in it's its jaw when they found her. Then, upon learning it's Beast Boy they were chasing, they're faced with the prospect that one of their friends hurt another badly enough to leave her in a coma-like state, his behavior now extremely aggressive, and is possibly a danger to himself and others, with no way of helping him if they don't find out what happened, with time being of the essence. They can be forgiven for acting less than rational with that in mind, Robin in particular for taking a page from Batman in his fearing the worst and acting confrontational as a result.
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* FourthWallMyopia: Many of the issues the fans have with the Titan's behavior in this episode can be attributed to knowledge the Titans would have no way of knowing at the time, such as the existence of a second Man-Beast/Adonis, the signs of a struggle in Beast Boy's room, or the Beast Boy!Man-Beast being gentle and protective of Raven. From the Titans perspective, ''something'' attacked Raven and thrashed Beast Boys room, dragged Raven into the sewer and possibly ''killed'' Beast Boy after finding the remains of his belt, and was holding her unconscious form in it's jaw when they found her. Then, upon learning it's Beast Boy they were chasing, they're faced with the prospect that one of their friends hurt another badly enough to leave her in a coma-like state, his behavior now extremely aggressive, and is possibly a danger to himself and others, with no way of helping him if they don't find out what happened, with time being of the essence. They can be forgiven for acting less than rational with that in mind, Robin in particular for taking a page from Batman in his fearing the worst and acting confrontational as a result.

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* FourthWallMyopia: Many of the issues the fans have with the Titan's behavior in this episode can be attributed to knowledge the Titans would have no way of knowing at the time, such as the existence of a second Man-Beast/Adonis, the signs of a struggle in Beast Boy's room, or the Beast Boy!Man-Beast being gentle and protective of Raven. From the Titans perspective, ''something'' attacked Raven and thrashed Beast Boys Boy's room, dragged Raven into the sewer and possibly ''killed'' Beast Boy after finding the remains of his belt, and was holding her unconscious form in it's jaw when they found her. Then, upon learning it's Beast Boy they were chasing, they're faced with the prospect that one of their friends hurt another badly enough to leave her in a coma-like state, his behavior now extremely aggressive, and is possibly a danger to himself and others, with no way of helping him if they don't find out what happened, with time being of the essence. They can be forgiven for acting less than rational with that in mind, Robin in particular for taking a page from Batman in his fearing the worst and acting confrontational as a result.
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* FourthWallMyopia: Many of the issues the fans have with the Titan's behavior in this episode can be attributed to knowledge the Titans would have no way of knowing at the time, such as the existence of a second Man-Beast/Adonis, the signs of a struggle in Beast Boys room, or the Beast Boy!Man-Beast being gentle and protective of Raven. From the Titans perspective, ''something'' attacked Raven and thrashed Beast Boys room, dragged Raven into the sewer and possibly ''killed'' Beast Boy after finding the remains of his belt, and was holding her unconscious form in it's jaw when they found her. Then, upon learning it's Beast Boy they were chasing, they're faced with the prospect that one of their friends hurt another badly enough to leave her in a coma-like state, his behavior now extremely aggressive, and is possibly a danger to himself and others, with no way of helping him if they don't find out what happened, with time being of the essence. They can be forgiven for acting less than rational with that in mind, Robin in particular for taking a page from Batman in his fearing the worst and acting confrontational as a result.

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* FourthWallMyopia: Many of the issues the fans have with the Titan's behavior in this episode can be attributed to knowledge the Titans would have no way of knowing at the time, such as the existence of a second Man-Beast/Adonis, the signs of a struggle in Beast Boys Boy's room, or the Beast Boy!Man-Beast being gentle and protective of Raven. From the Titans perspective, ''something'' attacked Raven and thrashed Beast Boys room, dragged Raven into the sewer and possibly ''killed'' Beast Boy after finding the remains of his belt, and was holding her unconscious form in it's jaw when they found her. Then, upon learning it's Beast Boy they were chasing, they're faced with the prospect that one of their friends hurt another badly enough to leave her in a coma-like state, his behavior now extremely aggressive, and is possibly a danger to himself and others, with no way of helping him if they don't find out what happened, with time being of the essence. They can be forgiven for acting less than rational with that in mind, Robin in particular for taking a page from Batman in his fearing the worst and acting confrontational as a result.
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* FourthWallMyopia: Many of the issues the fans have with the Titan's behavior in this episode can be attributed to knowledge the Titans would have no way of knowing at the time, such as the existence of a second Man-Beast/Adonis, the signs of a struggle in Beast Boys room, or the Beast Boy!Man-Beast being gentle and protective of Raven. From the Titans perspective, ''something'' attacked Raven and thrashed Beast Boys room, dragged Raven into the sewer and possibly ''killed'' Beast Boy after finding the remains of his belt, and was holding her unconscious form in it's jaw when they found her. Then, upon learning it's Beast Boy they were chasing, they're faced with the prospect that one of their friends hurt another badly enough to leave her in a coma-like state, his behavior now extremely aggressively, and is possibly a danger to himself and others, with no way of helping him if they don't find out what happened, with time being of the essence. They can be forgiven for acting less than rational with that in mind, Robin in particular for taking a page from Batman in his fearing the worst and acting confrontational as a result.

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* FourthWallMyopia: Many of the issues the fans have with the Titan's behavior in this episode can be attributed to knowledge the Titans would have no way of knowing at the time, such as the existence of a second Man-Beast/Adonis, the signs of a struggle in Beast Boys room, or the Beast Boy!Man-Beast being gentle and protective of Raven. From the Titans perspective, ''something'' attacked Raven and thrashed Beast Boys room, dragged Raven into the sewer and possibly ''killed'' Beast Boy after finding the remains of his belt, and was holding her unconscious form in it's jaw when they found her. Then, upon learning it's Beast Boy they were chasing, they're faced with the prospect that one of their friends hurt another badly enough to leave her in a coma-like state, his behavior now extremely aggressively, aggressive, and is possibly a danger to himself and others, with no way of helping him if they don't find out what happened, with time being of the essence. They can be forgiven for acting less than rational with that in mind, Robin in particular for taking a page from Batman in his fearing the worst and acting confrontational as a result.
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* FourthWallMyopia: Many of the issues the fans have with the Titan's behavior in this episode can be attributed to knowledge the Titans would have no way of knowing at the time, such as the existence of a second Man-Beast/Adonis, the signs of a struggle in Beast Boys room, or the Beast Boy!Man-Beast being gentle and protective of Raven. From the Titans perspective, ''something'' attacked Raven and thrashed Beast Boys room, dragged Raven into the sewer and possibly ''killed'' Beast Boy after finding the remains of his belt, and was holding her unconscious form in it's jaw when they found her. Then, upon learning it's Beast Boy they were chasing, they're faced with the prospect that one of their friends hurt another badly enough to leave her in a coma-like state, his behavior now extremely aggressively, and is possibly a danger to himself and others, with no way of helping him if they don't find out what happened, with time being of the essence. They can be forgiven for acting less than rational with that in mind, Robin in particular for taking a page from Batman in his fearing the worst and acting confrontational as a result.
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* PlatonicWritingRomanticReading: WordOfGod insists that Beast Boy and Raven weren't written as a couple and that the GoldenMoment is nothing more than the resolution of their conflict, but the fact that the Man-Beast was actually ''protecting'' Raven (despite Beast Boy nearly coming to blows with her himself) reads like a huge AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther moment. Worse, Raven telling Beast Boy that responsible use of the Man-Beast makes him a man only sets up more accidental ShipTease in the next season when he busts the form out [[Recap/TeenTitansS4E11TheEndPartOne to protect Raven once more]].
* RonTheDeathEater: Certain fans seem to think that Adonis and/or the Man-Beast are rapists, due to them [[ShippingGoggles seeing "sub-text"]] about it in the episode.

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* PlatonicWritingRomanticReading: WordOfGod insists that Beast Boy and Raven weren't written as a couple and that the GoldenMoment is nothing more than the resolution of their conflict, but the fact that the Man-Beast was actually ''protecting'' Raven (despite Beast Boy nearly coming to blows with her himself) reads like a huge AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther moment. Worse, Raven telling Beast Boy that responsible use of the Man-Beast makes him a man only sets up more accidental ShipTease in the next season when he busts the form out [[Recap/TeenTitansS4E11TheEndPartOne to protect Raven once more]].
* RonTheDeathEater: Certain fans seem to think that Adonis and/or the Man-Beast are rapists, due to them [[ShippingGoggles seeing "sub-text"]] about it in the episode.
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* RonTheDeathEater: Certain fans seem to think that Adonis and/or the Man-Beast are rapists, due to them [[ShippingGoggles seeing "sub-text"]] about it in the episode.
* ShippingGoggles: While the episode's CluelessAesop about being a man has some poorly thought out sexual undertones[[note]]e.g. Beast Boy's chauvinistic demand that Starfire furnish him with a drink, Adonis' [[YouGotSpunk really bad attempt at flirting with Raven]][[/note]], a sizeable portion of the audience have convinced themselves that this episode is ''entirely'' about sex.
** First, many mistakenly believe Adonis to be a would-be rapist and that his man-beast form is sexually interested in Raven (according to Raven herself, Adonis' monster form only wanted to attack Beast Boy, and she was accidentally in the way). Adonis at ''most'' has a YouGotSpunk moment with her during the opening fight.
** Second, some are of the opinion that there are sexual undertones to Beast Boy's behavior and resentment of Raven; note that at no point does Beast Boy actually express attraction to Raven during or prior to the episode, however meaningful their GoldenMoment at the end may be considered.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Certain fans seem to think that Adonis and/or the Man-Beast are rapists, due to them [[ShippingGoggles seeing "sub-text"]] about it in the episode.
* ShippingGoggles: While the episode's CluelessAesop about being a man has some poorly thought out sexual undertones[[note]]e.g. Beast Boy's chauvinistic demand that Starfire furnish him with a drink, Adonis' [[YouGotSpunk really bad attempt at flirting with Raven]][[/note]], a sizeable portion of the audience have convinced themselves that this episode is ''entirely'' about sex.
** First, many mistakenly believe Adonis to be a would-be rapist and that his man-beast form is sexually interested in Raven (according to Raven herself, Adonis' monster form only wanted to attack Beast Boy, and she was accidentally in the way). Adonis at ''most'' has a YouGotSpunk moment with her during the opening fight.
** Second, some are of the opinion that there are sexual undertones to Beast Boy's behavior and resentment of Raven; note that at no point does Beast Boy actually express attraction to Raven during or prior to the episode, however meaningful their GoldenMoment at the end may be considered.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Some fans would rather ignore this episode due to the Titans' mean-spirited JerkassBall clutching and the IdiotPlot. The bizarre, awkward sexual undertones don’t make things better.

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* FanonDiscontinuity: Some fans would rather ignore this episode due to the Titans' mean-spirited JerkassBall clutching and the IdiotPlot.clutching. The bizarre, awkward sexual undertones don’t make things better.

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** Second, some are of the opinion that there are sexual undertones to Beast Boy's behavior and resentment of Raven; note that at no point does Beast Boy actually express attraction to Raven during or prior to the episode, however meaningful their GoldenMoment at the end may be considered.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin's interrogation of Beast Boy is framed as him being torn between his duty to law and order and his friendship with his teammate, hoping to find something that can confirm his belief that Beast Boy is innocent but recognizing the necessity of finding out the truth even if he doesn't like it and punishing him if he really is guilty. Unfortunately, all he really does is make increasingly angry and confrontational demands that Beast Boy (who's in obviously shaky mental condition at the time) give him an alibi, threatening him with jail if he can't. Since the evidence he has for Beast Boy's guilt is circumstantial at best, this comes off to a lot of people as him ''assuming'' his teammate is guilty without something substantial to back it up; even if one takes him at his word that he's trying to clear Beast Boy, him deliberately piling stress on him in the hopes of getting the truth is both ethically questionable and unlikely to actually accomplish anything constructive. What makes this even worse is the fact that Robin is a ''detective'' who should know better than to do this instead of searching for physical evidence or waiting for Raven to wake up so he can just ask ''her'' about what happened. Topping it all off is how Robin treats Beast Boy like any other villain when he does transform, even though he clearly can’t control it. [[KickTheDog “Sleep tight.”]]

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** Second, some are of the opinion that there are sexual undertones to Beast Boy's behavior and resentment of Raven; note that at no point does Beast Boy actually express attraction to Raven during or prior to the episode, however meaningful their GoldenMoment at the end may be considered.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin's interrogation of Beast Boy is framed as him being torn between his duty to law and order and his friendship with his teammate, hoping to find something that can confirm his belief that Beast Boy is innocent but recognizing the necessity of finding out the truth even if he doesn't like it and punishing him if he really is guilty. Unfortunately, all he really does is make increasingly angry and confrontational demands that Beast Boy (who's in obviously shaky mental condition at the time) give him an alibi, threatening him with jail if he can't. Since the evidence he has for Beast Boy's guilt is circumstantial at best, this comes off to a lot of people as him ''assuming'' his teammate is guilty without something substantial to back it up; even if one takes him at his word that he's trying to clear Beast Boy, him deliberately piling stress on him in the hopes of getting the truth is both ethically questionable and unlikely to actually accomplish anything constructive. What makes this even worse is the fact that Robin is a ''detective'' who should know better than to do this instead of searching for physical evidence or waiting for Raven to wake up so he can just ask ''her'' about what happened. Topping it all off is how Robin treats Beast Boy like any other villain when he does transform, even though he clearly can’t control it. [[KickTheDog “Sleep tight.”]]
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* IdiotPlot: If it's not Beast Boy losing his temper in a dangerous chemical facility, it's the Titans universally failing to realize any significance in Beast Boy's ensuing personality problem. Throw in the fact that Robin, a ''detective'', refuses to search for evidence and instead hinges everything on the demand for a full account of events from a mentally unstable individual, and you have the trifecta.
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* RelationshipWritingFumble: WordOfGod insists that Beast Boy and Raven weren't written as a couple and that the GoldenMoment is nothing more than the resolution of their conflict, but the fact that the Man-Beast was actually ''protecting'' Raven (despite Beast Boy nearly coming to blows with her himself) reads like a huge AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther moment. Worse, Raven telling Beast Boy that responsible use of the Man-Beast makes him a man only sets up more accidental ShipTease in the next season when he busts the form out [[Recap/TeenTitansS4E11TheEndPartOne to protect Raven once more]].

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* RelationshipWritingFumble: PlatonicWritingRomanticReading: WordOfGod insists that Beast Boy and Raven weren't written as a couple and that the GoldenMoment is nothing more than the resolution of their conflict, but the fact that the Man-Beast was actually ''protecting'' Raven (despite Beast Boy nearly coming to blows with her himself) reads like a huge AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther moment. Worse, Raven telling Beast Boy that responsible use of the Man-Beast makes him a man only sets up more accidental ShipTease in the next season when he busts the form out [[Recap/TeenTitansS4E11TheEndPartOne to protect Raven once more]].
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Some fans would rather ignore this episode due to the Titans' mean-spirited JerkassBall and the IdiotPlot. The bizarre, awkward sexual undertones don’t make things better.

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* FanonDiscontinuity: Some fans would rather ignore this episode due to the Titans' mean-spirited JerkassBall clutching and the IdiotPlot. The bizarre, awkward sexual undertones don’t make things better.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin's interrogation of Beast Boy is framed as him being torn between his duty to law and order and his friendship with his teammate, hoping to find something that can confirm his belief that Beast Boy is innocent but recognizing the necessity of finding out the truth even if he doesn't like it and punishing him if he really is guilty. Unfortunately, all he really does is make increasingly angry and confrontational demands that Beast Boy, who's in obviously shaky mental condition at the time, give him an alibi, threatening him with jail if he can't. Since the evidence he has for Beast Boy's guilt is circumstantial at best, this comes off to a lot of people as him ''assuming'' his teammate is guilty without something substantial to back it up; even if one takes him at his word that he's trying to clear Beast Boy, him deliberately piling stress on him in the hopes of getting the truth is both ethically questionable and unlikely to actually accomplish anything constructive. What makes this even worse is the fact that Robin is a ''detective'' who should know better than to do this instead of searching for physical evidence or waiting for Raven to wake up so he can question ''her'' about what happened. Topping it all off is how Robin treats Beast Boy like any other villain when he does transform, even though he clearly can’t control it. [[KickTheDog “Sleep tight.”]]

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin's interrogation of Beast Boy is framed as him being torn between his duty to law and order and his friendship with his teammate, hoping to find something that can confirm his belief that Beast Boy is innocent but recognizing the necessity of finding out the truth even if he doesn't like it and punishing him if he really is guilty. Unfortunately, all he really does is make increasingly angry and confrontational demands that Beast Boy, who's Boy (who's in obviously shaky mental condition at the time, time) give him an alibi, threatening him with jail if he can't. Since the evidence he has for Beast Boy's guilt is circumstantial at best, this comes off to a lot of people as him ''assuming'' his teammate is guilty without something substantial to back it up; even if one takes him at his word that he's trying to clear Beast Boy, him deliberately piling stress on him in the hopes of getting the truth is both ethically questionable and unlikely to actually accomplish anything constructive. What makes this even worse is the fact that Robin is a ''detective'' who should know better than to do this instead of searching for physical evidence or waiting for Raven to wake up so he can question just ask ''her'' about what happened. Topping it all off is how Robin treats Beast Boy like any other villain when he does transform, even though he clearly can’t control it. [[KickTheDog “Sleep tight.”]]
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** First, many mistakenly believe Adonis to be a would-be rapist and that his man-beast form is sexually interested in her (according to Raven herself, Adonis' monster form only wanted to attack Beast Boy, and she was accidentally in the way). Adonis at ''most'' has a YouGotSpunk moment with her during the opening fight.

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** First, many mistakenly believe Adonis to be a would-be rapist and that his man-beast form is sexually interested in her Raven (according to Raven herself, Adonis' monster form only wanted to attack Beast Boy, and she was accidentally in the way). Adonis at ''most'' has a YouGotSpunk moment with her during the opening fight.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin's interrogation of Beast Boy is framed as him being torn between his duty to law and order and his friendship with his teammate, hoping to find something that can confirm his belief that Beast Boy is innocent but recognizing the necessity of finding out the truth even if he doesn't like it and punishing him if he really is guilty. Unfortunately, all he really does is make increasingly angry and confrontational demands that Beast Boy, who's in obviously shaky mental condition at the time, give him an alibi, threatening him with jail if he can't. Since the evidence he has for Beast Boy's guilt is circumstantial at best, this comes off to a lot of people as him ''assuming'' his teammate is guilty without something substantial to back it up; even if one takes him at his word that he's trying to clear Beast Boy, him deliberately piling stress on him in the hopes of getting the truth is both ethically questionable and unlikely to actually accomplish anything constructive. What makes this even worse is the fact that Robin is a ''detective'' who should know better than to do this instead of searching for physical evidence or waiting for Raven to wake up so he can question ''her'' about what happened. Topping it al off is how Robin treats Beast Boy like any other villain when he does transform, even though he clearly can’t control it. [[KickTheDog “Sleep tight.”]]

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin's interrogation of Beast Boy is framed as him being torn between his duty to law and order and his friendship with his teammate, hoping to find something that can confirm his belief that Beast Boy is innocent but recognizing the necessity of finding out the truth even if he doesn't like it and punishing him if he really is guilty. Unfortunately, all he really does is make increasingly angry and confrontational demands that Beast Boy, who's in obviously shaky mental condition at the time, give him an alibi, threatening him with jail if he can't. Since the evidence he has for Beast Boy's guilt is circumstantial at best, this comes off to a lot of people as him ''assuming'' his teammate is guilty without something substantial to back it up; even if one takes him at his word that he's trying to clear Beast Boy, him deliberately piling stress on him in the hopes of getting the truth is both ethically questionable and unlikely to actually accomplish anything constructive. What makes this even worse is the fact that Robin is a ''detective'' who should know better than to do this instead of searching for physical evidence or waiting for Raven to wake up so he can question ''her'' about what happened. Topping it al all off is how Robin treats Beast Boy like any other villain when he does transform, even though he clearly can’t control it. [[KickTheDog “Sleep tight.”]]
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* RonTheDeathEater: Certain fans seem to think that Adonis or the Man-Beast are rapists, due to them [[ShippingGoggles seeing "sub-text"]] about it in the episode.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Certain fans seem to think that Adonis or and/or the Man-Beast are rapists, due to them [[ShippingGoggles seeing "sub-text"]] about it in the episode.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin's interrogation of Beast Boy is framed as him being torn between his duty to law and order and his friendship with his teammate, hoping to find something that can confirm his belief that Beast Boy is innocent but recognizing the necessity of finding out the truth even if he doesn't like it and punishing him if he really is guilty. Unfortunately, all he really does is make increasingly angry and confrontational demands that Beast Boy, who's in obviously shaky mental condition at the time, give him an alibi, threatening him with jail if he can't. Since the evidence he has for Beast Boy's guilt is circumstantial at best, this comes off to a lot of people as him ''assuming'' his teammate is guilty without something substantial to back it up; even if one takes him at his word that he's trying to clear Beast Boy, him deliberately piling stress on him in the hopes of getting the truth is both ethically questionable and unlikely to actually accomplish anything constructive. What makes this even worse is the fact that Robin is a ''detective'' who should know better than to do this instead of searching for physical evidence or waiting for Raven to wake up so he can question ''her'' about what happened. What makes it even worse is how Robin treats Beast Boy like any other villain when he does transform, even though he clearly can’t control it. [[KickTheDog “Sleep tight.”]]

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin's interrogation of Beast Boy is framed as him being torn between his duty to law and order and his friendship with his teammate, hoping to find something that can confirm his belief that Beast Boy is innocent but recognizing the necessity of finding out the truth even if he doesn't like it and punishing him if he really is guilty. Unfortunately, all he really does is make increasingly angry and confrontational demands that Beast Boy, who's in obviously shaky mental condition at the time, give him an alibi, threatening him with jail if he can't. Since the evidence he has for Beast Boy's guilt is circumstantial at best, this comes off to a lot of people as him ''assuming'' his teammate is guilty without something substantial to back it up; even if one takes him at his word that he's trying to clear Beast Boy, him deliberately piling stress on him in the hopes of getting the truth is both ethically questionable and unlikely to actually accomplish anything constructive. What makes this even worse is the fact that Robin is a ''detective'' who should know better than to do this instead of searching for physical evidence or waiting for Raven to wake up so he can question ''her'' about what happened. What makes Topping it even worse al off is how Robin treats Beast Boy like any other villain when he does transform, even though he clearly can’t control it. [[KickTheDog “Sleep tight.”]]
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin's interrogation of Beast Boy is framed as him being torn between his duty to law and order and his friendship with his teammate, hoping to find something that can confirm his belief that Beast Boy is innocent but recognizing the necessity of finding out the truth even if he doesn't like it and punishing him if he really is guilty. Unfortunately, all he really does is make increasingly angry and confrontational demands that Beast Boy, who's in obviously shaky mental condition at the time, give him an alibi, threatening him with jail if he can't. Since the evidence he has for Beast Boy's guilt is circumstantial at best, this comes off to a lot of people as him ''assuming'' his teammate is guilty without something substantial to back it up; even if one takes him at his word that he's trying to clear Beast Boy, him deliberately piling stress on him in the hopes of getting the truth is both ethically questionable and unlikely to actually accomplish anything constructive. What makes this even worse is the fact that Robin is a ''detective'' who should know better than to do this instead of searching for physical evidence or waiting for Raven to wake up so he can question ''her'' about what happened.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin's interrogation of Beast Boy is framed as him being torn between his duty to law and order and his friendship with his teammate, hoping to find something that can confirm his belief that Beast Boy is innocent but recognizing the necessity of finding out the truth even if he doesn't like it and punishing him if he really is guilty. Unfortunately, all he really does is make increasingly angry and confrontational demands that Beast Boy, who's in obviously shaky mental condition at the time, give him an alibi, threatening him with jail if he can't. Since the evidence he has for Beast Boy's guilt is circumstantial at best, this comes off to a lot of people as him ''assuming'' his teammate is guilty without something substantial to back it up; even if one takes him at his word that he's trying to clear Beast Boy, him deliberately piling stress on him in the hopes of getting the truth is both ethically questionable and unlikely to actually accomplish anything constructive. What makes this even worse is the fact that Robin is a ''detective'' who should know better than to do this instead of searching for physical evidence or waiting for Raven to wake up so he can question ''her'' about what happened. What makes it even worse is how Robin treats Beast Boy like any other villain when he does transform, even though he clearly can’t control it. [[KickTheDog “Sleep tight.”]]
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** Second, some are of the opinion that there are sexual undertones to Beast Boy's behavior and resentment of Raven; note that at no point does Beast Boy actually express attraction to Raven during or prior to the episode, however meaningful their GoldenMoment at the end may be considered.

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** Second, some are of the opinion that there are sexual undertones to Beast Boy's behavior and resentment of Raven; note that at no point does Beast Boy actually express attraction to Raven during or prior to the episode, however meaningful their GoldenMoment at the end may be considered.considered.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin's interrogation of Beast Boy is framed as him being torn between his duty to law and order and his friendship with his teammate, hoping to find something that can confirm his belief that Beast Boy is innocent but recognizing the necessity of finding out the truth even if he doesn't like it and punishing him if he really is guilty. Unfortunately, all he really does is make increasingly angry and confrontational demands that Beast Boy, who's in obviously shaky mental condition at the time, give him an alibi, threatening him with jail if he can't. Since the evidence he has for Beast Boy's guilt is circumstantial at best, this comes off to a lot of people as him ''assuming'' his teammate is guilty without something substantial to back it up; even if one takes him at his word that he's trying to clear Beast Boy, him deliberately piling stress on him in the hopes of getting the truth is both ethically questionable and unlikely to actually accomplish anything constructive. What makes this even worse is the fact that Robin is a ''detective'' who should know better than to do this instead of searching for physical evidence or waiting for Raven to wake up so he can question ''her'' about what happened.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Was Robin's hostility towards Beast Boy in the interrogation scene genuine? Or was he trying to provoke some kind of reaction to test whether the Man-Beast really was Beast Boy?



** Much fanfic angst has been inspired by the poor dynamic between the Titans featured in this episode, including [[Fanfic/TheEndofEnds one particularly infamous fanfic]]...

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** Much fanfic angst has been inspired by the poor dynamic between the Titans featured in this episode, including [[Fanfic/TheEndofEnds [[Fanfic/TheEndOfEnds one particularly infamous fanfic]]...

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Not Misaimed Fandom. The episode hasn't won Adonis and the Man-Beast fans for the sexual interpretation of their characters.


* MisaimedFandom: While the episode's CluelessAesop about being a man has some poorly thought out sexual undertones[[note]]e.g. Beast Boy's chauvinistic demand that Starfire furnish him with a drink, Adonis' [[YouGotSpunk really bad attempt at flirting with Raven]][[/note]], a sizeable portion of the audience [[ShippingGoggles have convinced themselves]] that this episode is ''entirely'' about sex.
** First, many mistakenly believe Adonis to be a would-be rapist and that his man-beast form is sexually interested in her (according to Raven herself, Adonis' monster form only wanted to attack Beast Boy, and she was accidentally in the way). Adonis at ''most'' has a YouGotSpunk moment with her during the opening fight.
** Second, some are of the opinion that there are sexual undertones to Beast Boy's behavior and resentment of Raven; note that at no point does Beast Boy actually express attraction to Raven during or prior to the episode, however meaningful their GoldenMoment at the end may be considered.



* RonTheDeathEater: Certain fans seem to think that Adonis or the Man-Beast are rapists, due to them [[ShippingGoggles seeing "sub-text"]] about it in the episode.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Certain fans seem to think that Adonis or the Man-Beast are rapists, due to them [[ShippingGoggles seeing "sub-text"]] about it in the episode.episode.
* ShippingGoggles: While the episode's CluelessAesop about being a man has some poorly thought out sexual undertones[[note]]e.g. Beast Boy's chauvinistic demand that Starfire furnish him with a drink, Adonis' [[YouGotSpunk really bad attempt at flirting with Raven]][[/note]], a sizeable portion of the audience have convinced themselves that this episode is ''entirely'' about sex.
** First, many mistakenly believe Adonis to be a would-be rapist and that his man-beast form is sexually interested in her (according to Raven herself, Adonis' monster form only wanted to attack Beast Boy, and she was accidentally in the way). Adonis at ''most'' has a YouGotSpunk moment with her during the opening fight.
** Second, some are of the opinion that there are sexual undertones to Beast Boy's behavior and resentment of Raven; note that at no point does Beast Boy actually express attraction to Raven during or prior to the episode, however meaningful their GoldenMoment at the end may be considered.
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* RelationshipWritingFumble: WordOfGod insists that Beast Boy and Raven weren't written as a couple and that the GoldenMoment is nothing more than the resolution of their conflict, but the fact that the Man-Beast was actually ''protecting'' Raven (despite Beast Boy nearly coming to blows with her himself) reads like a huge AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther moment. Worse, Raven telling Beast Boy that responsible use of the Man-Beast makes him a man only sets up more accidental ShipTease in the next season when he busts the form out to protect Raven once more.

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* RelationshipWritingFumble: WordOfGod insists that Beast Boy and Raven weren't written as a couple and that the GoldenMoment is nothing more than the resolution of their conflict, but the fact that the Man-Beast was actually ''protecting'' Raven (despite Beast Boy nearly coming to blows with her himself) reads like a huge AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther moment. Worse, Raven telling Beast Boy that responsible use of the Man-Beast makes him a man only sets up more accidental ShipTease in the next season when he busts the form out [[Recap/TeenTitansS4E11TheEndPartOne to protect Raven once more.more]].
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* RelationshipWritingFumble: WordOfGod insists that Beast Boy and Raven weren't written as a couple and that the GoldenMoment is nothing more than the resolution of their conflict, but the fact that the Man-Beast was actually ''protecting'' Raven (despite Beast Boy nearly coming to blows with her himself) reads like a huge AwwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther moment. Worse, Raven telling Beast Boy that responsible use of the Man-Beast makes him a man only sets up more accidental ShipTease in the next season when he busts the form out to protect Raven once more.

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* RelationshipWritingFumble: WordOfGod insists that Beast Boy and Raven weren't written as a couple and that the GoldenMoment is nothing more than the resolution of their conflict, but the fact that the Man-Beast was actually ''protecting'' Raven (despite Beast Boy nearly coming to blows with her himself) reads like a huge AwwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther moment. Worse, Raven telling Beast Boy that responsible use of the Man-Beast makes him a man only sets up more accidental ShipTease in the next season when he busts the form out to protect Raven once more.
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* RelationshipWritingFumble: WordOfGod is that Beast Boy and Raven weren't intentionally written as a couple, but the fact that the Man-Beast was actually ''protecting'' Raven from her aggressor (after Beast Boy nearly came to blows with her himself) did not go unnoticed by the fans, nor did their heart-to-heart conversation at the end of the episode. (In fact, the Man-Beast would only become a stronger bit of potential ship tease in Season 4, by making its only other appearance during the attempt to protect Raven from Trigon's army). WordOfGod refuses to indicate that the GoldenMoment is anything more than resolving the narrative conflict that Beast Boy and Raven had in the episode.

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* RelationshipWritingFumble: WordOfGod is insists that Beast Boy and Raven weren't intentionally written as a couple, couple and that the GoldenMoment is nothing more than the resolution of their conflict, but the fact that the Man-Beast was actually ''protecting'' Raven from her aggressor (after (despite Beast Boy nearly came coming to blows with her himself) did not go unnoticed by the fans, nor did their heart-to-heart conversation at the end reads like a huge AwwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther moment. Worse, Raven telling Beast Boy that responsible use of the episode. (In fact, the Man-Beast would makes him a man only become a stronger bit of potential ship tease sets up more accidental ShipTease in Season 4, by making its only other appearance during the attempt next season when he busts the form out to protect Raven from Trigon's army). WordOfGod refuses to indicate that the GoldenMoment is anything more than resolving the narrative conflict that Beast Boy and Raven had in the episode.once more.


* RonTheDeathEater: Certain fans seem to think that Adonis or the Man-Beast are rapists, due to them [[ShippingGoggles seeing "sub-text"]] about it in the episode.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin during the interrogation scene. The episode tries to portray him as though he's [[ShootTheDog being forced to have the hard conversation]] about Beast Boy's new inner monster, but Robin spends the whole scene being needlessly hostile and displaying a bizarre [[NoSympathy lack of sympathy]] for Beast Boy's condition, while Beast Boy is clearly in a mentally fragile state and [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone already anguished over what he may have done to Raven]].

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* RonTheDeathEater: Certain fans seem to think that Adonis or the Man-Beast are rapists, due to them [[ShippingGoggles seeing "sub-text"]] about it in the episode.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin during the interrogation scene. The episode tries to portray him as though he's [[ShootTheDog being forced to have the hard conversation]] about Beast Boy's new inner monster, but Robin spends the whole scene being needlessly hostile and displaying a bizarre [[NoSympathy lack of sympathy]] for Beast Boy's condition, while Beast Boy is clearly in a mentally fragile state and [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone already anguished over what he may have done to Raven]].
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Unhiding seemingly legitimate example of UU. Also, hiding the example doesn't delete it.


%% * UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin during the interrogation scene. The episode tries to portray him as though he's [[ShootTheDog being forced to have the hard conversation]] about Beast Boy's new inner monster, but Robin spends the whole scene being needlessly hostile and displaying a bizarre [[NoSympathy lack of sympathy]] for Beast Boy's condition, while Beast Boy is clearly in a mentally fragile state and [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone already anguished over what he may have done to Raven]].

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%% * UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin during the interrogation scene. The episode tries to portray him as though he's [[ShootTheDog being forced to have the hard conversation]] about Beast Boy's new inner monster, but Robin spends the whole scene being needlessly hostile and displaying a bizarre [[NoSympathy lack of sympathy]] for Beast Boy's condition, while Beast Boy is clearly in a mentally fragile state and [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone already anguished over what he may have done to Raven]].
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The What The Hell Hero entry indicates that this may not have been unintentional.


* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin during the interrogation scene. The episode tries to portray him as though he's [[ShootTheDog being forced to have the hard conversation]] about Beast Boy's new inner monster, but Robin spends the whole scene being needlessly hostile and displaying a bizarre [[NoSympathy lack of sympathy]] for Beast Boy's condition, while Beast Boy is clearly in a mentally fragile state and [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone already anguished over what he may have done to Raven]].

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%% * UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin during the interrogation scene. The episode tries to portray him as though he's [[ShootTheDog being forced to have the hard conversation]] about Beast Boy's new inner monster, but Robin spends the whole scene being needlessly hostile and displaying a bizarre [[NoSympathy lack of sympathy]] for Beast Boy's condition, while Beast Boy is clearly in a mentally fragile state and [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone already anguished over what he may have done to Raven]].
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin during the interrogation scene in "The Beast Within". The episode is trying to portray him as [[ShootTheDog being forced to have the hard conversation]] regarding Beast Boy's new inner monster, except that hard conversation shows Robin being needlessly hostile and threatening towards Beast Boy and displaying a bizarre [[NoSympathy lack of sympathy]] for Beast Boy's condition while Beast Boy is in a clearly mentally fragile state and [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone already anguished over his and Raven's state]].

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin during the interrogation scene in "The Beast Within". scene. The episode is trying tries to portray him as though he's [[ShootTheDog being forced to have the hard conversation]] regarding about Beast Boy's new inner monster, except that hard conversation shows but Robin spends the whole scene being needlessly hostile and threatening towards Beast Boy and displaying a bizarre [[NoSympathy lack of sympathy]] for Beast Boy's condition condition, while Beast Boy is in a clearly in a mentally fragile state and [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone already anguished over his and Raven's state]].what he may have done to Raven]].
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin during the interrogation scene in "The Beast Within". The episode is trying to portray him as [[ShootTheDog being forced to have the hard conversation]] regarding Beast Boy's new inner monster, except that hard conversation except that hard conversation shows Robin being needlessly hostile and threatening towards Beast Boy and displaying a bizarre [[NoSympathy lack of sympathy]] for Beast Boy's condition while Beast Boy is in a clearly mentally fragile state and [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone already anguished over his and Raven's state]].

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin during the interrogation scene in "The Beast Within". The episode is trying to portray him as [[ShootTheDog being forced to have the hard conversation]] regarding Beast Boy's new inner monster, except that hard conversation except that hard conversation shows Robin being needlessly hostile and threatening towards Beast Boy and displaying a bizarre [[NoSympathy lack of sympathy]] for Beast Boy's condition while Beast Boy is in a clearly mentally fragile state and [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone already anguished over his and Raven's state]].

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