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* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: LennonDrake as Suguha was almost instantly showered in praise by viewers after Episode 17 premiered thanks to [[spoiler:how fantastically they delivered Suguha's tearful breakdown towards Kirito over their falling out]].
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* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: LennonDrake [=LennonDrake=] as Suguha was almost instantly showered in praise by viewers after Episode 17 premiered thanks to [[spoiler:how fantastically they delivered Suguha's tearful breakdown towards Kirito over their falling out]].
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** Most fans of the show ship Kirito and Asuna but are willing to admit they are an unhealthy train wreck which only works because [[BirdsOfAFeather they're both equally broken and insane]] and would never want anyone sane in real life to be in a relationship like that. are a healthy couple. However, during the show's 10 anniversary stream, SWE voiced their concerns over the amount of fans who genuinely consider them to be a perfectly healthy couple.
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** Most fans of the show ship Kirito and Asuna but are willing to admit they are an unhealthy train wreck which only works because [[BirdsOfAFeather they're both equally broken and insane]] and would never want anyone sane in real life to be in a relationship like that. are a healthy couple. However, during the show's 10 anniversary stream, SWE voiced their concerns over the amount of fans who genuinely consider them to be a perfectly healthy couple.
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** Cazmer became this in Episode 16 after being adapted from a one-dimensional villain to a sympathetic WellIntentionedExtremist who only wanted to end ALO's race war.
** [[ThoseTwoGuys Shoji and Kyle]], while [[TheScrappy hated to death]] in the original show due to only existing for the sake of a NaughtyTentacles scene, quickly became popular in this show for their hilarious banter and PunchClockVillain characterization.
** [[ThoseTwoGuys Shoji and Kyle]], while [[TheScrappy hated to death]] in the original show due to only existing for the sake of a NaughtyTentacles scene, quickly became popular in this show for their hilarious banter and PunchClockVillain characterization.
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* MemeticPsychopath: Kirito. The abridged series adds in a dangerous AxCrazy side to him and he likely has a higher body count than Laughing Coffin.
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* MemeticPsychopath: MemeticPsychopath:
** Kirito. The abridged series adds in a dangerous AxCrazy side to him and he likely has a higher body count than LaughingCoffin.Coffin.
** After her darker side is revealed in Episode 5, Asuna quickly one-ups her SpearCounterpart in this regard, being a full-fledged psychopath who terrifies ALL of the show's villains, including Kuradeel, Kayaba, and Sugou.
** In Episode 10, we can add [[EnfantTerrible Yui]] to the mix, and we've got our DysfunctionalFamily of psychos complete.
** After her introduction, Suguha was RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap from the original show, owing to her LaughablyEvil characterization.
** Kirito. The abridged series adds in a dangerous AxCrazy side to him and he likely has a higher body count than Laughing
** After her darker side is revealed in Episode 5, Asuna quickly one-ups her SpearCounterpart in this regard, being a full-fledged psychopath who terrifies ALL of the show's villains, including Kuradeel, Kayaba, and Sugou.
** In Episode 10, we can add [[EnfantTerrible Yui]] to the mix, and we've got our DysfunctionalFamily of psychos complete.
** After her introduction, Suguha was RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap from the original show, owing to her LaughablyEvil characterization.
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** Kirito's final fight with Kayaba to Music/ThirtySecondsToMars "This is war", often singled out as the scene that "out-anime'd the anime".
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** Kirito's final fight with Kayaba to Music/ThirtySecondsToMars "This is war", War", often singled out as the scene that "out-anime'd the original anime".
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** Kirito's final fight with Kayaba to {{Music/ThirtySecondsToMars}}' "This is war", often singled out as the scene that "out-anime'd the anime".
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** Kirito's final fight with Kayaba to {{Music/ThirtySecondsToMars}}' Music/ThirtySecondsToMars "This is war", often singled out as the scene that "out-anime'd the anime".
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* {{Adorkable}}: '''Recon'''; There's a reason SWE constantly refer to him as "best boi" during their streams. He's so endearingly dorky even ''Kirito'' can't bring himself to mock him.
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** Kirito's final fight with Kayaba to {{Music/ThirtySecondsToMars}}' "This is war", often singled out as the scene that "out-anime'd the anime".
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* TheWoobie: While everyone who is trapped in [[DeadlyGame SAO]] could count due to how glitchy and unfair the game system is, Sachi takes the cake as the one that goes through the most grief. Her poor internet connection causes frequent glitches and unpredictable lags that make her experience notably harsher. These issues often arise at the worst possible moments, leaving her stuck in place, interrupting her speech, and in the worst possible scenarios, spreading to other players and catching fires. When Kirito learns of the seriousness of the situation, even ''he'' can't bring himself to mock her situation. To make matters worse, she gets killed just as it seemed her companion was going to cut her some slack.
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* MoralEventHorizon:
** While in a sleep-deprived state, Kayaba accidentally creates a glitch in his game that kills players when their avatars die, and by the time he realizes this there are already 10000 people playing it. Instead of doing the rational thing and shutting off the servers before anyone else gets hurt, Kayaba prioritizes that people play the game he spent many sleepless weeks coding and traps everyone in the game, promising to free them if they complete it. He kept the trainwreck going even after catching up on his sleep, deciding that he would rather be a CardCarryingVillain than a screw-up, and donned his [[FakeUltimateHero Heathcliff]] persona to keep the other players as hostages. By the time the Aincrad arc ends, he's already caused the deaths of thousands of people, left thousands more completely traumatized, and deep-sixed an entire industry; all in a futle attempt to try and save his own ass.
** While trapped inside the game, Grimlock murders his own wife Griselda (who was trapped alongside him), and then rallied two of her friends against a troubled lancer named Schmitt to frame the latter for his crimes. When it seemed like this was going to fail, he paid [[PsychoForHire Laughing Coffin]] to dispose of the trio. The kicker? He only killed his wife because she prioritized strategizing for a raid over [[StayInTheKitchen making him dinner]] ''once'' in her married life. As if this wasn't bad enough, he then goes on to justify himself when he's caught, saying that any man in love would've done the same as him. Needless to say, [[EveryoneHasStandards Kirito is disgusted.]]
** [[LethalJokeCharacter Fluffles]] is a cat that somehow learned to play the game after likely getting stuffed in a [=NerveGear=]. In a classic display of OffstageVillainay, he rose up the ranks and became a mob boss, founding the first of many PlayerKilling groups in the form of TheMafia. He stays past the line in Episode 9 when he joins "The King of Ashes" in his journey of RapeBurnAndPillage, even suggesting that they boil two intruders in oil, and purring when his companion eagerly accepts.
** While in a sleep-deprived state, Kayaba accidentally creates a glitch in his game that kills players when their avatars die, and by the time he realizes this there are already 10000 people playing it. Instead of doing the rational thing and shutting off the servers before anyone else gets hurt, Kayaba prioritizes that people play the game he spent many sleepless weeks coding and traps everyone in the game, promising to free them if they complete it. He kept the trainwreck going even after catching up on his sleep, deciding that he would rather be a CardCarryingVillain than a screw-up, and donned his [[FakeUltimateHero Heathcliff]] persona to keep the other players as hostages. By the time the Aincrad arc ends, he's already caused the deaths of thousands of people, left thousands more completely traumatized, and deep-sixed an entire industry; all in a futle attempt to try and save his own ass.
** While trapped inside the game, Grimlock murders his own wife Griselda (who was trapped alongside him), and then rallied two of her friends against a troubled lancer named Schmitt to frame the latter for his crimes. When it seemed like this was going to fail, he paid [[PsychoForHire Laughing Coffin]] to dispose of the trio. The kicker? He only killed his wife because she prioritized strategizing for a raid over [[StayInTheKitchen making him dinner]] ''once'' in her married life. As if this wasn't bad enough, he then goes on to justify himself when he's caught, saying that any man in love would've done the same as him. Needless to say, [[EveryoneHasStandards Kirito is disgusted.]]
** [[LethalJokeCharacter Fluffles]] is a cat that somehow learned to play the game after likely getting stuffed in a [=NerveGear=]. In a classic display of OffstageVillainay, he rose up the ranks and became a mob boss, founding the first of many PlayerKilling groups in the form of TheMafia. He stays past the line in Episode 9 when he joins "The King of Ashes" in his journey of RapeBurnAndPillage, even suggesting that they boil two intruders in oil, and purring when his companion eagerly accepts.
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MoralEventHorizon: In a series where a large majority of the main characters are complete assholes, there are a few who stand out.
** While in a sleep-deprived state, SAO head programmer Kayaba Akihiko accidentally creates a glitch in his game that kills players when their avatars die, and by the time he realizes this there are already 10000 people playing it. Instead of doing the rational thing and shutting off the servers before anyone else gets hurt, Kayaba prioritizes that people play the game he spent many sleepless weeks coding and traps everyone in the game, promising to free them if they complete it. He kept the trainwreck going even after catching up on his sleep, deciding that he would rather be a CardCarryingVillain than a screw-up, and donned his [[FakeUltimateHero Heathcliff]] persona to keep the other players as hostages. By the time the Aincrad arc ends, he's already caused the deaths of thousands of people, left thousands more completely traumatized, and deep-sixed an entire industry; all in a futle attempt to try and save his own ass.
** [[LethalJokeCharacter Fluffles]] is a cat that somehow learned to play the game after likely getting stuffed in a [=NerveGear=]. In a classic display of OffstageVillainy, he rose up the ranks and became a mob boss, founding the first of many PlayerKilling groups in the form of TheMafia. He stays past the line in Episode 9 when he joins "The King of Ashes" in his journey of RapePillageAndBurn, even suggesting that they boil two intruders in oil, and purring when his companion eagerly accepts.
** While trapped inside the game, Grimlock murders his own wife Griselda (who was trapped alongside him), and thenrallied rallies two of her friends against a troubled lancer named Schmitt to frame the latter for his crimes. When it seemed like this was going to fail, he paid [[PsychoForHire Laughing Coffin]] to dispose of the trio. The kicker? He only killed his wife because she prioritized strategizing for a raid over [[StayInTheKitchen making him dinner]] ''once'' in her married life. As if this wasn't bad enough, he then goes on to justify himself when he's caught, saying that any man in love would've done the same as him. Needless to say, [[EveryoneHasStandards Kirito is disgusted.]]
** [[LethalJokeCharacter Fluffles]] is a cat that somehow learned to play the game after likely getting stuffed in a [=NerveGear=]. In a classic display of OffstageVillainay, he rose up the ranks and became a mob boss, founding the first of many PlayerKilling groups in the form of TheMafia. He stays past the line in Episode 9 when he joins "The King of Ashes" in his journey of RapeBurnAndPillage, even suggesting that they boil two intruders in oil, and purring when his companion eagerly accepts.]]
** While in a sleep-deprived state, SAO head programmer Kayaba Akihiko accidentally creates a glitch in his game that kills players when their avatars die, and by the time he realizes this there are already 10000 people playing it. Instead of doing the rational thing and shutting off the servers before anyone else gets hurt, Kayaba prioritizes that people play the game he spent many sleepless weeks coding and traps everyone in the game, promising to free them if they complete it.
** [[LethalJokeCharacter Fluffles]] is a cat that somehow learned to play the game after likely getting stuffed in a [=NerveGear=]. In a classic display of OffstageVillainy, he rose up the ranks and became a mob boss, founding the first of many PlayerKilling groups in the form of TheMafia. He stays past the line in Episode 9 when he joins "The King of Ashes" in his journey of RapePillageAndBurn, even suggesting that they boil two intruders in oil, and purring when his companion eagerly accepts.
** While trapped inside the game, Grimlock murders his own wife Griselda (who was trapped alongside him), and then
** [[LethalJokeCharacter Fluffles]] is a cat that somehow learned to play the game after likely getting stuffed in a [=NerveGear=]. In a classic display of OffstageVillainay, he rose up the ranks and became a mob boss, founding the first of many PlayerKilling groups in the form of TheMafia. He stays past the line in Episode 9 when he joins "The King of Ashes" in his journey of RapeBurnAndPillage, even suggesting that they boil two intruders in oil, and purring when his companion eagerly accepts.
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** SAO player "The King Of Ashes" is a deranged psychopath who takes advantage of the lack of authority in the game to go on a rampage of RapePillageAndBurn against other players, taking over Floor 75 and hindering the process of all those who seek to escape the DeadlyGame. It gets so bad that Kayaba has to use his Heathcliff persona to try and quell his rebellion.
** Asuna's greedy asshole of a father [[AbusiveParents Shouzou Yuuki]] crosses it when he essentially sells his comatose daughter to one of his employees in exchange of a large sum of money. If that wasn't horrible enough, his original desire was to euthanise her to get out of paying her medical bills. It's no wonder Asuna turned out the way she did.
** Nobuyuki Sugou is a particularly repulsive employee of RECT Progress (founded by Asuna's father) who lusts after his boss' daughter. However, he absolutely ''demolishes'' the line when he traps her and 300 other recently freed victims of SAO to use as test subjects to give himself mind control powers, all with the end goal of turning her into his personal SexSlave.
** Asuna's greedy asshole of a father [[AbusiveParents Shouzou Yuuki]] crosses it when he essentially sells his comatose daughter to one of his employees in exchange of a large sum of money. If that wasn't horrible enough, his original desire was to euthanise her to get out of paying her medical bills. It's no wonder Asuna turned out the way she did.
** Nobuyuki Sugou is a particularly repulsive employee of RECT Progress (founded by Asuna's father) who lusts after his boss' daughter. However, he absolutely ''demolishes'' the line when he traps her and 300 other recently freed victims of SAO to use as test subjects to give himself mind control powers, all with the end goal of turning her into his personal SexSlave.
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** Here, the reasoning for Keita's [DrivenToSuicide suicide]] in Episode 3 isn't made clear: [[DespairEventHorizon Was he grief-stricken]] by his friends dying due to his own cowardice and carelessness? Did he prefer to die [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled rather than allow Fluffles' mafia to capture and torture him]]? [[TakeAThirdOption Or]] did he find out about the disastrous consequences of [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom his handling of [=NPCs=]]] and jumped out of remorse or to avoid facing scrutiny?
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** Here, the reasoning for Keita's [DrivenToSuicide [[DrivenToSuicide suicide]] in Episode 3 isn't made clear: [[DespairEventHorizon Was he grief-stricken]] by his friends dying due to his own cowardice and carelessness? Did he prefer to die [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled rather than allow Fluffles' mafia to capture and torture him]]? [[TakeAThirdOption Or]] did he find out about the disastrous consequences of [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom his handling of [=NPCs=]]] and jumped out of remorse or to avoid facing scrutiny?
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** While in a sleep-deprived state, Kayaba accidentally creates a glitch in his game that kills players when their avatars die, and by the time he realizes this there are already 10000 people playing it. Instead of doing the rational thing and shutting off the servers before anyone else gets hurt, Kayaba prioritizes that people play the game he spent many sleepless weeks coding and traps everyone in the game, promising to free them if they complete it. He kept the trainwreck going even after catching up on his sleep, deciding that he would rather be a CardCarryingVillain than a screw-up, and donned his [[FakeUltimateHero Heathcliff]] persona to keep the other players as hostages. By the time the Aincrad arc ends, he's already caused the deaths of thousands of people, left thousands more completely traumatized, and deep-sixed an entire industry; all in a futle attempt to try and save his own ass.
** While trapped inside the game, Grimlock murders his own wife Griselda (who was trapped alongside him), and then rallied two of her friends against a troubled lancer named Schmitt to frame the latter for his crimes. When it seemed like this was going to fail, he paid [[PsychoForHire Laughing Coffin]] to dispose of the trio. The kicker? He only killed his wife because she prioritized strategizing for a raid over [[StayInTheKitchen making him dinner]] ''once'' in her married life. As if this wasn't bad enough, he then goes on to justify himself when he's caught, saying that any man in love would've done the same as him. Needless to say, [[EveryoneHasStandards Kirito is disgusted.]]
** [[LethalJokeCharacter Fluffles]] is a cat that somehow learned to play the game after likely getting stuffed in a [=NerveGear=]. In a classic display of OffstageVillainay, he rose up the ranks and became a mob boss, founding the first of many PlayerKilling groups in the form of TheMafia. He stays past the line in Episode 9 when he joins "The King of Ashes" in his journey of RapeBurnAndPillage, even suggesting that they boil two intruders in oil, and purring when his companion eagerly accepts.
** Asuna's bodyguard and stalker Kuradeel crosses the line from {{Manchild}} to PsychopathicManchild when he sadistically murders his friend [[PluckyComicRelief Godfree]] after [[DirtyCoward poisoning his drink]] because he found his roleplaying to be annoying. He stays past the line when [[WouldHurtAChild he tries to do the same to Kirito]] for getting his favorite cult of murderers Laughing Coffin disbanded and humiliating him during a duel, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and because he insulted his face.]]
** While in a sleep-deprived state, Kayaba accidentally creates a glitch in his game that kills players when their avatars die, and by the time he realizes this there are already 10000 people playing it. Instead of doing the rational thing and shutting off the servers before anyone else gets hurt, Kayaba prioritizes that people play the game he spent many sleepless weeks coding and traps everyone in the game, promising to free them if they complete it. He kept the trainwreck going even after catching up on his sleep, deciding that he would rather be a CardCarryingVillain than a screw-up, and donned his [[FakeUltimateHero Heathcliff]] persona to keep the other players as hostages. By the time the Aincrad arc ends, he's already caused the deaths of thousands of people, left thousands more completely traumatized, and deep-sixed an entire industry; all in a futle attempt to try and save his own ass.
** While trapped inside the game, Grimlock murders his own wife Griselda (who was trapped alongside him), and then rallied two of her friends against a troubled lancer named Schmitt to frame the latter for his crimes. When it seemed like this was going to fail, he paid [[PsychoForHire Laughing Coffin]] to dispose of the trio. The kicker? He only killed his wife because she prioritized strategizing for a raid over [[StayInTheKitchen making him dinner]] ''once'' in her married life. As if this wasn't bad enough, he then goes on to justify himself when he's caught, saying that any man in love would've done the same as him. Needless to say, [[EveryoneHasStandards Kirito is disgusted.]]
** [[LethalJokeCharacter Fluffles]] is a cat that somehow learned to play the game after likely getting stuffed in a [=NerveGear=]. In a classic display of OffstageVillainay, he rose up the ranks and became a mob boss, founding the first of many PlayerKilling groups in the form of TheMafia. He stays past the line in Episode 9 when he joins "The King of Ashes" in his journey of RapeBurnAndPillage, even suggesting that they boil two intruders in oil, and purring when his companion eagerly accepts.
** Asuna's bodyguard and stalker Kuradeel crosses the line from {{Manchild}} to PsychopathicManchild when he sadistically murders his friend [[PluckyComicRelief Godfree]] after [[DirtyCoward poisoning his drink]] because he found his roleplaying to be annoying. He stays past the line when [[WouldHurtAChild he tries to do the same to Kirito]] for getting his favorite cult of murderers Laughing Coffin disbanded and humiliating him during a duel, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and because he insulted his face.]]
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** Is Klein really the OnlySaneMan of the series, or is he wearing a MaskOfSanity like Asuna? His inappropriate joke regarding Kirito's friends dying again implies he's got a dark sense of humor somewhere in his subconscious, like Kirito.
** [[SelfAppliedNickname Tiffany]]: Was he a {{GIRL}} who got his real identity exposed by Kayaba but chose to run with it? Was he using his wife's account to play the game? [[RealMenWearPink or does he simply like going by "Tiffany"]]? For what's worth, Kirito still uses the nickname when talking to him IRL, but that might be because he's [[TheGadfly Kirito]].
** Here, the reasoning for Keita's [DrivenToSuicide suicide]] in Episode 3 isn't made clear: [[DespairEventHorizon Was he grief-stricken]] by his friends dying due to his own cowardice and carelessness? Did he prefer to die [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled rather than allow Fluffles' mafia to capture and torture him]]? [[TakeAThirdOption Or]] did he find out about the disastrous consequences of [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom his handling of [=NPCs=]]] and jumped out of remorse or to avoid facing scrutiny?
** [[SelfAppliedNickname Tiffany]]: Was he a {{GIRL}} who got his real identity exposed by Kayaba but chose to run with it? Was he using his wife's account to play the game? [[RealMenWearPink or does he simply like going by "Tiffany"]]? For what's worth, Kirito still uses the nickname when talking to him IRL, but that might be because he's [[TheGadfly Kirito]].
** Here, the reasoning for Keita's [DrivenToSuicide suicide]] in Episode 3 isn't made clear: [[DespairEventHorizon Was he grief-stricken]] by his friends dying due to his own cowardice and carelessness? Did he prefer to die [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled rather than allow Fluffles' mafia to capture and torture him]]? [[TakeAThirdOption Or]] did he find out about the disastrous consequences of [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom his handling of [=NPCs=]]] and jumped out of remorse or to avoid facing scrutiny?
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** Did Kirito not take advantage of [[DudeShesLikeInAComa a sleeping Asuna]] (instead drawing cat whiskers on her face) because [[EveryoneHasStandards even he has standards]]? Or did he not do it because he [[ChasteHero genuinely did not think of it]]? When Asuna wakes up and demands to know what Kirito did to her, his reply sounds vaguely innocent-like.
-->'''Asuna:''' Is that all?\\
-->'''Asuna:''' Is that all?\\
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** Did Due to how much of a massive {{Troll}} Kirito is in this version, sometimes it's unclear how genuine some of his claims are.
*** In Episode 3, was his HeelFaceDoorSlam after talking with Sachi just an act to get a rise out of her for thinking she could change him, or was he genuine in his apology and only backpedaled because old habits die hard? To his credit, he ''did'' seem to be trying to act kinder around her after their discussion.
*** In Episode 5, did he not take advantage of [[DudeShesLikeInAComa a sleeping Asuna]] (instead drawing cat whiskers on her face) because [[EveryoneHasStandards even he has standards]]? Or did he not do it because he [[ChasteHero genuinely did not think of it]]? When Asuna wakes up and demands to know what Kirito did to her, his reply sounds vaguely innocent-like.
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*** In Episode 3, was his HeelFaceDoorSlam after talking with Sachi just an act to get a rise out of her for thinking she could change him, or was he genuine in his apology and only backpedaled because old habits die hard? To his credit, he ''did'' seem to be trying to act kinder around her after their discussion.
*** In Episode 5, did he not take advantage of [[DudeShesLikeInAComa a sleeping Asuna]] (instead drawing cat whiskers on her face) because [[EveryoneHasStandards even he has standards]]? Or did he not do it because he [[ChasteHero genuinely did not think of it]]? When Asuna wakes up and demands to know what Kirito did to her, his reply sounds vaguely innocent-like.
*** Discussed in Episode 9 when Heathcliff questions if his backstory with Fluffles is real or if he's just trolling everyone.
---->'''Asuna:''' Knowing him, [[TakeAThirdOption it may very well be both.]]
---->'''Asuna:''' Knowing him, [[TakeAThirdOption it may very well be both.]]
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* DracoInLeatherPants: During Episode 17's "Post-Mortem" stream, SWE talked about how surprised they were at how many viewers felt sympathy for [[EvilIsPetty Shoji]] after Asuna was done with him, as the fact that he cared for his dog (whom Asuna threatened to eat as blackmail) apparently redeemed him in a lot of people's eyes, despite being a pathetic, cowardly bully who [[BullyingTheDisabled picked on a disabled coworker]] for most of his screentime. It's probably ''because'' he's so pathetic that people find him sympathetic. Besides, petty jerk or not, he was stupid enough to say he [[EmbarrassingCoverUp was molesting her.]] As one commenter from the stream put it, the coworker he was bullying was complicit in the same evil scheme. The dog was innocent.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Happens a lot, since most of the characters in this series are meant to be LoveToHate:
** Most fans of the show ship Kirito and Asuna but are willing to admit they are an unhealthy train wreck which only works because [[BirdsOfAFeather they're both equally broken and insane]] and would never want anyone sane in real life to be in a relationship like that. are a healthy couple. However, during the show's 10 anniversary stream, SWE voiced their concerns over the amount of fans who genuinely consider them to be a perfectly healthy couple.
** Similarly, there are multiple fans who praise Yui for being a [[ExtremelyProtectiveChild loving and protective companion]] to her surrogate parents Kirito and Asuna in [=ALfheim=], ignoring the fact that, as an AI developed by an insane man, her sense of love is incredibly skewed, since she's willing to put the two of them through some extreme emotional distress by FakingTheDead as a "joke", and she encourages Kirito to continue hurting himself in the World Tree's invisible wall, showing no concern for his health.
** Due to his AdaptationalSympathy in this version, Kayaba has a lot of fans that see him as an overworked victim whose evil actions were due to [[ExhaustionInducedIdiocy sleep deprivation]] despite the fact that he had two years to catch up on his sleep and put an end to his mistake to prevent any more deaths, but chose not to out of stuborness, cowardice and his newly found hatred of [[SurroundedByIdiots the SAO player base.]] By the end, Kirito notes that he was nothing but a DirtyCoward who only cared about saving his own ass.
** During Episode 17's "Post-Mortem" stream, SWE talked about how surprised they were at how many viewers felt sympathy for [[EvilIsPetty Shoji]] after Asuna was done with him, as the fact that he cared for his dog (whom Asuna threatened to eat as blackmail) apparently redeemed him in a lot of people's eyes, despite being a pathetic, cowardly bully who [[BullyingTheDisabled picked on a disabledcoworker]] co-worker]] for most of his screentime. It's probably ''because'' he's so pathetic that people find him sympathetic. Besides, petty jerk or not, he was stupid enough to say he [[EmbarrassingCoverUp was molesting her.]] As one commenter from the stream put it, the coworker he was bullying was complicit in the same evil scheme. The dog was innocent.
** Most fans of the show ship Kirito and Asuna but are willing to admit they are an unhealthy train wreck which only works because [[BirdsOfAFeather they're both equally broken and insane]] and would never want anyone sane in real life to be in a relationship like that. are a healthy couple. However, during the show's 10 anniversary stream, SWE voiced their concerns over the amount of fans who genuinely consider them to be a perfectly healthy couple.
** Similarly, there are multiple fans who praise Yui for being a [[ExtremelyProtectiveChild loving and protective companion]] to her surrogate parents Kirito and Asuna in [=ALfheim=], ignoring the fact that, as an AI developed by an insane man, her sense of love is incredibly skewed, since she's willing to put the two of them through some extreme emotional distress by FakingTheDead as a "joke", and she encourages Kirito to continue hurting himself in the World Tree's invisible wall, showing no concern for his health.
** Due to his AdaptationalSympathy in this version, Kayaba has a lot of fans that see him as an overworked victim whose evil actions were due to [[ExhaustionInducedIdiocy sleep deprivation]] despite the fact that he had two years to catch up on his sleep and put an end to his mistake to prevent any more deaths, but chose not to out of stuborness, cowardice and his newly found hatred of [[SurroundedByIdiots the SAO player base.]] By the end, Kirito notes that he was nothing but a DirtyCoward who only cared about saving his own ass.
** During Episode 17's "Post-Mortem" stream, SWE talked about how surprised they were at how many viewers felt sympathy for [[EvilIsPetty Shoji]] after Asuna was done with him, as the fact that he cared for his dog (whom Asuna threatened to eat as blackmail) apparently redeemed him in a lot of people's eyes, despite being a pathetic, cowardly bully who [[BullyingTheDisabled picked on a disabled
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** While still a lazy, manipulative asshole, Keita usually gets accused of being directly responsible for the deaths of every SAO player in the first month because he stole the game's tutorial NPC. Barring the ridiculousness of there being one single tutorial NPC to be used by ''ten thousand different players'' (something Keita probably didn't know), it's also made clear said tutorial's advice was [[ShapedLikeItself useless at best]] and [[AntiAdvice harmful at worst]], so the blame can be mostly placed on Kayaba for his impractical game developing and the comical stupidity that characterizes the SAO playerbase.base.
** Due to MemeticMutation, Gary has reached MemeticPsychopath levels of evil in the fandom, which ignores his status as a NonPlayerCharacter who, unlike Yui, hasn't been portrayed as having any level of awareness for his actions. However, because [[AxCrazy Kirito]] believes him to be directly responsible for Sachi's death, many fans now see him as a DirtyCoward who intentionally abandoned his guild to die.
** While still a lazy, manipulative asshole, Keita usually gets accused of being directly responsible for the deaths of every SAO player in the first month because he stole the game's tutorial NPC. Barring the ridiculousness of there being one single tutorial NPC to be used by ''ten thousand different players'' (something Keita probably didn't know), it's also made clear said tutorial's advice was [[ShapedLikeItself useless at best]] and [[AntiAdvice harmful at worst]], so the blame can be mostly placed on Kayaba for his impractical game developing and the comical stupidity that characterizes the SAO player
** Due to MemeticMutation, Gary has reached MemeticPsychopath levels of evil in the fandom, which ignores his status as a NonPlayerCharacter who, unlike Yui, hasn't been portrayed as having any level of awareness for his actions. However, because [[AxCrazy Kirito]] believes him to be directly responsible for Sachi's death, many fans now see him as a DirtyCoward who intentionally abandoned his guild to die.
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** While Asuna was implied to have always been somewhat troubles, troubled, it's unclear if she was always wearing her MaskOfSanity while trapped in SAO or if she started the game as a relatively normal person whose terrible life conditions wile trapped in the [[DeadlyGame death game]] for two years (which evidently took a toll on many other players' sanity) simply [[SanitySlippage accelerated her mental decline.]] It's worth noting that outside of her InnocentBigot streak, she doesn't really do anything morally deplorable until Episode 7 (596 days into the game). The fact that she seems to have completely lost her marbles by the time we reach [=ALfheim=] supports this.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Did Kirito not take advantage of [[DudeShesLikeInAComa a sleeping Asuna]] (instead drawing cat whiskers on her face) because [[EveryoneHasStandards even he has standards]]? Or did he not do it because he [[ChasteHero genuinely did not think of it]]? When Asuna wakes up and demands to know what Kirito did to her, his reply sounds vaguely innocent-like.
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** Did Kirito not take advantage of [[DudeShesLikeInAComa a sleeping Asuna]] (instead drawing cat whiskers on her face) because [[EveryoneHasStandards even he has standards]]? Or did he not do it because he [[ChasteHero genuinely did not think of it]]? When Asuna wakes up and demands to know what Kirito did to her, his reply sounds vaguely innocent-like.
** Did Kirito not take advantage of [[DudeShesLikeInAComa a sleeping Asuna]] (instead drawing cat whiskers on her face) because [[EveryoneHasStandards even he has standards]]? Or did he not do it because he [[ChasteHero genuinely did not think of it]]? When Asuna wakes up and demands to know what Kirito did to her, his reply sounds vaguely innocent-like.
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** While Asuna was implied to have always been somewhat troubles, it's unclear if she was always wearing her MaskOfSanity while trapped in SAO or if she started the game as a relatively normal person whose terrible life conditions wile trapped in the [[DeadlyGame death game]] for two years (which evidently took a toll on many other players' sanity) simply [[SanitySlippage accelerated her mental decline.]] It's worth noting that outside of her InnocentBigot streak, she doesn't really do anything morally deplorable until Episode 7 (596 days into the game). The fact that she seems to have completely lost her marbles by the time we reach [=ALfheim=] supports this.
*** In Episode 17, WordOfGod is that it's up to the viewer to decide whether her constant targeting of her jailer Shoji during her escape attempts were due to [[PayEvilUntoEvil knowing about how much of an asshole he is to his co-workers]], or simply being annoyed by his grating voice and wanting to shut him up.
** Regarding Yui; just how [[LackOfEmpathy devoid of empathy]] is she? The revelation that she was lying about the system wanting to delete her might imply that her DarkAndTroubledPast at Kayaba's hands was a fallacy to "humanize herself" as well, meaning she ''could've'' helped all the mentally challenged players in the game (such as Jeffrey, Kuradeel, The King of Ashes and many others) but chose not to until encountering Asuna and Kirito.
*** In Episode 17, WordOfGod is that it's up to the viewer to decide whether her constant targeting of her jailer Shoji during her escape attempts were due to [[PayEvilUntoEvil knowing about how much of an asshole he is to his co-workers]], or simply being annoyed by his grating voice and wanting to shut him up.
** Regarding Yui; just how [[LackOfEmpathy devoid of empathy]] is she? The revelation that she was lying about the system wanting to delete her might imply that her DarkAndTroubledPast at Kayaba's hands was a fallacy to "humanize herself" as well, meaning she ''could've'' helped all the mentally challenged players in the game (such as Jeffrey, Kuradeel, The King of Ashes and many others) but chose not to until encountering Asuna and Kirito.
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** Then again, Kazuto himself was quite the uncaring {{Jerkass}} in the early episodes, and it remains unclear whether he used to be like this when they were both kids or if Suguha's abuse was his StartOfDarkness. Just how valid Suguha's MotiveRant is is thus left difficult to determine as of Episode 17's release.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Suguha has a number of problems, stemming from a DarkAndTroubledPast; she originally took up kendo because Kazuto was practicing it as well, but when he quit to take up programming their grandfather, who never wanted to teach her in the first place, did everything he could to make her quit. Since Kazuto never showed how much he truly cared for her, as compared to the extreme lengths he's going to to save Asuna, she grew up resenting him (even though Asuna's life is on the line now, while Suguha's wasn't back then, making the comparison feel quite hollow), his passions and her own femininity and angrily declares that he never gave a shit about her. The problem is that most of her screen time thus far has repeatedly shown her to be pointlessly rude and sometimes outright cruel to the people around her, ESPECIALLY Kazuto, so it's a mystery as to why she seems mystified that he could be anything other than a BigBrotherMentor that she expects him to be and resents him for not being. Plus, mocking her brother's penis being ripped in half from a catheter is a bit far for some people.
** Then again, Kazuto himself was quite the uncaring {{Jerkass}} in previous episodes, and it remains unclear whether he used to be like this when they were both kids or if Suguha's abuse was his StartOfDarkness. Just how valid Suguha's MotiveRant is is thus left difficult to determine as of Episode 17's release.
** Then again, Kazuto himself was quite the uncaring {{Jerkass}} in previous episodes, and it remains unclear whether he used to be like this when they were both kids or if Suguha's abuse was his StartOfDarkness. Just how valid Suguha's MotiveRant is is thus left difficult to determine as of Episode 17's release.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Suguha has a number of problems, stemming from a DarkAndTroubledPast; she originally took up kendo because Kazuto was practicing it as well, but when he quit to take up programming their grandfather, who never wanted to teach her in the first place, did everything he could to make her quit. Since Kazuto never showed how much he truly cared for her, as compared to the extreme lengths he's going to to save Asuna, she grew up resenting him (even though Asuna's life is on the line now, while Suguha's wasn't back then, making the comparison feel quite hollow), his passions and her own femininity and angrily declares that he never gave a shit about her. The problem is that most of her screen time thus far has repeatedly shown her to be pointlessly rude and sometimes outright cruel to the people around her, ESPECIALLY Kazuto, so it's a mystery as to why she seems mystified that he could be anything other than a BigBrotherMentor that she expects him to be and resents him for not being. Plus, Some of her actions, such as mocking her brother's penis being ripped in half from a catheter is catheter, beating him to a bit far pulp in Kendo shortly after he had gotten out of the hospital, and punting her crush Nagata for some people.
asking her out on a date, make her FreudianExcuse feel more like MisplacedRetribution, especially since Kirito himself was never given such a degree of sympathy during his own redemption arc, despite never reaching the levels of physical abuse Suguha was known for.
** Then again, Kazuto himself was quite the uncaring {{Jerkass}} inprevious the early episodes, and it remains unclear whether he used to be like this when they were both kids or if Suguha's abuse was his StartOfDarkness. Just how valid Suguha's MotiveRant is is thus left difficult to determine as of Episode 17's release.
** Then again, Kazuto himself was quite the uncaring {{Jerkass}} in
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Suguha has a number of problems, stemming from a DarkAndTroubledPast; she originally took up kendo because Kazuto was practicing it as well, but when he quit to take up programming their grandfather, who never wanted to teach her in the first place, did everything he could to make her quit. Since Kazuto never showed how much he truly cared for her, as compared to the extreme lengths he's going to to save Asuna, she grew up resenting him (even though Asuna's life is on the line now, while Suguha's wasn't back then, making the comparison feel quite hollow), his passions and her own femininity and angrily declares that he never gave a shit about her. The problem is that most of her screen time thus far has repeatedly shown her to be pointlessly rude and sometimes outright cruel to the people around her, ESPECIALLY Kazuto, so it's a mystery as to why she seems mystified that he could be anything other than a BigBrotherMentor that she expects him to be and resents him for not being.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Suguha has a number of problems, stemming from a DarkAndTroubledPast; she originally took up kendo because Kazuto was practicing it as well, but when he quit to take up programming their grandfather, who never wanted to teach her in the first place, did everything he could to make her quit. Since Kazuto never showed how much he truly cared for her, as compared to the extreme lengths he's going to to save Asuna, she grew up resenting him (even though Asuna's life is on the line now, while Suguha's wasn't back then, making the comparison feel quite hollow), his passions and her own femininity and angrily declares that he never gave a shit about her. The problem is that most of her screen time thus far has repeatedly shown her to be pointlessly rude and sometimes outright cruel to the people around her, ESPECIALLY Kazuto, so it's a mystery as to why she seems mystified that he could be anything other than a BigBrotherMentor that she expects him to be and resents him for not being. Plus, mocking her brother's penis being ripped in half from a catheter is a bit far for some people.
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** And, perhaps appropriately, "Swordland" from ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline'' proper is retained for some key fights, usually when Kirito is bringing down a boss monster.
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** And, perhaps appropriately, "Swordland" from ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline'' ''Literature/SwordArtOnline'' proper is retained for some key fights, usually when Kirito is bringing down a boss monster.
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** The [[LightNovel/SwordArtOnline original work]] was designed by a writer who wasn't familiar with video games, so the question of exactly how Sword Art Online was played was typically given a HandWave. The Abridged series explores the gameplay in more detail and the suffering of the players being trapped in a barely functional game is PlayedForLaughs.
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** The [[LightNovel/SwordArtOnline [[Literature/SwordArtOnline original work]] was designed by a writer who wasn't familiar with video games, so the question of exactly how Sword Art Online was played was typically given a HandWave. The Abridged series explores the gameplay in more detail and the suffering of the players being trapped in a barely functional game is PlayedForLaughs.
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* RonTheDeathEater: While still a lazy, manipulative asshole, Keita usually gets accused of being directly responsible for the deaths of every SAO player in the first month because he stole the game's tutorial NPC. Barring the ridiculousness of there being one single tutorial NPC to be used by ''ten thousand different players'', it's also made clear said tutorial's advice was [[ShapedLikeItself useless at best]] and [[AntiAdvice harmful at worst]], so the blame can be solely placed on Kayaba for his impractical game developing.
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* RonTheDeathEater: While still a lazy, manipulative asshole, Keita usually gets accused of being directly responsible for the deaths of every SAO player in the first month because he stole the game's tutorial NPC. Barring the ridiculousness of there being one single tutorial NPC to be used by ''ten thousand different players'', players'' (something Keita probably didn't know), it's also made clear said tutorial's advice was [[ShapedLikeItself useless at best]] and [[AntiAdvice harmful at worst]], so the blame can be solely mostly placed on Kayaba for his impractical game developing.developing and the comical stupidity that characterizes the SAO player base.
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* EpilepticTrees: During the stream premiering episode 14 the idea was floated that [[spoiler: [[CosmicPlaything Recon's]] Nerve Gear, which he got second-hand from the parents of a dead SAO player, belonged to Sacchi for maximum BlackComedy points, but the Somethingwitty gang shot it down since the people he bought it from were explicitly mentioned to have had a son, while also saying that if they had thought of that they would have changed the line to daughter and left the implication out there.]]
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* EpilepticTrees: During the stream premiering episode 14 the idea was floated that [[spoiler: [[CosmicPlaything Recon's]] Nerve Gear, which he got second-hand from the parents of a dead SAO player, belonged to Sacchi Sachi for maximum BlackComedy points, but the Somethingwitty gang shot it down since the people he bought it from were explicitly mentioned to have had a son, while also saying that if they had thought of that they would have changed the line to daughter and left the implication out there.]]
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* RonTheDeathEater: While still a lazy, manipulative asshole, Keita usually gets accused of being directly responsible for the deaths of every SAO player in the first month because he stole the game's tutorial NPC. Barring the ridiculousness of there being one single tutorial NPC to be used by ''ten thousand different players'', it's also made clear said tutorial's advice was [[ShapedLikeItself useless at best]] and [[AntiAdvice harmful at worst]], so the blame can be solely placed on Kayaba for his impractical game developing.
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** Schmitt's mention of ''Pokemon V&R'' in Episode 6 (released in 2015) becomes funnier in hindsight when taking into account SAO's in-universe release date of 2022. Once the real year came around, that predicted abbreviation was only off by [[VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet one letter]].
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** Schmitt's mention of ''Pokemon V&R'' in Episode 6 (released in 2015) becomes funnier in hindsight when taking into account SAO's in-universe release date of 2022. Once the real year came around, that predicted abbreviation was only off by [[VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet one letter]]. And just like ''SAO'', that game ''also'' released with a plethora of glitches due to being rushed and received great backlash because of it.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: During Episode 17's "Post-Mortem" stream, SWE talked about how surprised they were at how many viewers felt sympathy for [[EvilIsPetty Shoji]] after Asuna was done with him, as the fact that he cared for his dog (whom Asuna threatened to eat as blackmail) apparently redeemed him in a lot of people's eyes, despite being a pathetic, cowardly bully for most of his screentime. It's probably ''because'' he's so pathetic that people find him sympathetic. Besides, petty jerk or not, he was stupid enough to say he [[EmbarrassingCoverUp was molesting her.]]
** As one commenter from the stream put it, the coworker he was bullying was complicit in the same evil scheme. The dog was innocent.
** As one commenter from the stream put it, the coworker he was bullying was complicit in the same evil scheme. The dog was innocent.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: During Episode 17's "Post-Mortem" stream, SWE talked about how surprised they were at how many viewers felt sympathy for [[EvilIsPetty Shoji]] after Asuna was done with him, as the fact that he cared for his dog (whom Asuna threatened to eat as blackmail) apparently redeemed him in a lot of people's eyes, despite being a pathetic, cowardly bully who [[BullyingTheDisabled picked on a disabled coworker]] for most of his screentime. It's probably ''because'' he's so pathetic that people find him sympathetic. Besides, petty jerk or not, he was stupid enough to say he [[EmbarrassingCoverUp was molesting her.]]
**]] As one commenter from the stream put it, the coworker he was bullying was complicit in the same evil scheme. The dog was innocent.
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** Ubisoft being the ones that made Alfheim Online and its administrator, Sugou, being a pervert [[DudeShesLikeInAComa more ways]] [[AndNowYouMustMarryMe than one]] becomes this with several reports in 2020 regarding widespread sexual harassment and abuse within Ubisoft.
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** In general, Kayaba's infamous MotiveDecay from the original gets rewritten to be the result of making a snap knee-jerk decision while having a nervous breakdown after being overworked by his superiors. "Crunch" in the video game industry, in which developers are under extended overtime to develop video games to the detriment of their health and wellbeing, started to become a serious discussion point a year or so after the episode aired, especially after it led to the disastrous releases of several games widely considered {{Obvious Beta}}s.
** Ubisoft being the ones thatmade Alfheim Online worked with RECT Progress to create and publish ''[=ALfheim=] Online'', and its administrator, Sugou, being a pervert [[DudeShesLikeInAComa more ways]] [[AndNowYouMustMarryMe than one]] [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty sexual predator]] abusing his position to get away with it, becomes this with several reports in 2020 regarding widespread sexual harassment and abuse within Ubisoft.
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*** In general, Kayaba's infamous MotiveDecay from the original gets rewritten to be the result of making a snap knee-jerk decision while having a nervous breakdown after being overworked by his superiors. "Crunch" in the video game industry, in which developers are under extended overtime to develop video games to the detriment of their health and wellbeing, started to become a serious discussion point a year or so after the episode aired.
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** As one commenter from the stream put it, the coworker he was bullying was complicit in the same evil scheme. The dog was innocent.
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*** In Episode 11, merrily skips over the line of good taste like a game of hopscotch as a character fades away, but turns something that should be utterly tragic into hilarity with five simple words:
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* DracoInLeatherPants: During Episode 17's "Post-Mortem" stream, SWE talked about how surprised they were at how many viewers felt sympathy for [[EvilIsPetty Shoji]] after Asuna was done with him, as the fact that he cared for his dog (whom Asuna threatened to eat as blackmail) apparently redeemed him in a lot of people's eyes, despite being a pathetic, cowardly bully for most of his screentime. It's probably ''because'' he's so pathetic that people find him sympathetic. Besides, petty jerk or not, he was stupid enough to say he [[EmbarrassingCoverUp was molesting her.]]
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** Schmitt's mention of ''Pokemon V&R'' in Episode 6 (released in 2015) becomes funnier in hindsight when taking into account SAO's in-universe release date of 2022. Once the real year came around, that predicted abbreviation was only off by [[VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet one letter]].
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** Then again, Kazuto himself was quite the uncaring {{Jerkass}} in previous episodes, and it remains unclear whether he used to be like this when they were both kids or if Suguha's abuse was his StartOfDarkness. This might factor in just how valid Suguha's MotiveRant is.
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** Then again, Kazuto himself was quite the uncaring {{Jerkass}} in previous episodes, and it remains unclear whether he used to be like this when they were both kids or if Suguha's abuse was his StartOfDarkness. This might factor in just Just how valid Suguha's MotiveRant is.is is thus left difficult to determine as of Episode 17's release.
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Wording correction.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The Fairy Dance arc began facing some criticism as it went along; almost of the characters and setpieces are altered to be part of an in-universe roleplay, which is amusing, but deviates harshly from the anime and becomes incredibly meanspirited, even by usual standards. Fortunately, episode 17 turns it around, focusing almost entirely on Kirito and Suguha's toxic relationship and insecurities, thereby building on the source material instead of mocking or outright discarding it.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The Fairy Dance arc began facing some criticism as it went along; almost most of the characters and setpieces are altered to be part of an in-universe roleplay, which is amusing, but deviates harshly from the anime and becomes incredibly meanspirited, even by usual standards. Fortunately, episode 17 turns it around, focusing almost entirely on Kirito and Suguha's toxic relationship and insecurities, thereby building on the source material instead of mocking or outright discarding it.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The Fairy Dance arc began facing some criticism as it went along; almost of the characters and setpieces are altered to be part of an in-universe roleplay, which is amusing, but deviates harshly from the anime and becomes incredibly meanspirited, even by usual standards. Fortunately, Episode 17 turns it around, focusing almost entirely on Kirito and Suguha's toxic relationship and insecurities, thereby building on the source material instead of mocking or outright discarding it.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The Fairy Dance arc began facing some criticism as it went along; almost of the characters and setpieces are altered to be part of an in-universe roleplay, which is amusing, but deviates harshly from the anime and becomes incredibly meanspirited, even by usual standards. Fortunately, Episode episode 17 turns it around, focusing almost entirely on Kirito and Suguha's toxic relationship and insecurities, thereby building on the source material instead of mocking or outright discarding it.
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While I agree Suguha's Freudian Excuse is a bit weak and falls more into Misplaced Retribution than anything else, I disagree with the notion that the narrative fully supports her decision, especially after her "maybe I'm the problem" speech halfway through the episode.
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** There is also the fact that the end of the episode, the narrative more or less implied the treatment of Kazuto by her sister is justified or is a rational response for what he did. Yeah.....
** There is also the fact that the end of the episode, the narrative more or less implied the treatment of Kazuto by her sister is justified or is a rational response for what he did. Yeah.....
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Suguha has a number of problems, stemming from a DarkAndTroubledPast; she originally took up kendo because Kazuto was practicing it as well, but when he quit to take up programming their grandfather, who never wanted to teach her in the first place, did everything he could to make her quit. Since Kazuto never showed how much he truly cared for her, as compared to the extreme lengths he's going to to save Asuna, she grew up resenting him, him (even though Asuna's life is on the line now, while Suguha's wasn't back then, making the comparison feel quite hollow), his passions and her own femininity and angrily declares that he never gave a shit about her. The problem is that most of her screen time thus far has repeatedly shown her to be pointlessly rude and sometimes outright cruel to the people around her, ESPECIALLY Kazuto, so it's a mystery as to why she seems mystified that he could be anything other than a BigBrotherMentor that she expects him to be and resents him for not being.
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** Episode 17 adds Suguha to the list: for the whole season, she's been an unrepentant {{Jerkass}} and BigSisterBully to Kirito, but Episode 17 reveals her rather sympathetic FreudianExcuse: [[spoiler: she used to [[BigBrotherWorship really look up to Kirito]], and started learning kendo with their grandfather to emulate him, but he quit to work on computers instead. This left Suguha to endure TrainingFromHell from their grandfather, who had only been interested in training Kirito and wanted her to quit, causing her to resent Kirito for abandoning her. However, She's still more of a jerkass and of a woobie because her treatment of Kirito is still too extreme to fully make her sympathetic enough]]
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** Episode 17 adds Suguha to the list: for the whole season, she's been an unrepentant {{Jerkass}} and BigSisterBully to Kirito, but Episode 17 reveals her rather sympathetic FreudianExcuse: [[spoiler: she used to [[BigBrotherWorship really look up to Kirito]], and started learning kendo with their grandfather to emulate him, but he quit to work on computers instead. This left Suguha to endure TrainingFromHell from their grandfather, who had only been interested in training Kirito and wanted her to quit, causing her to resent Kirito for abandoning her. However, She's still more of a jerkass and less of a woobie because her treatment of Kirito is still too extreme to fully make her sympathetic enough]]enough]]
** On top of being one Asuna's jailers, [[spoiler: Shoji is a pathetic and selfish {{Jerkass}} who makes a habit out of antagonizing his disabled co-worker for no apparent reason other than prejudice. Despite this, seeing him cry and confess to a FalseRapeAccusation after Asuna threatened to eat [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes his dog]] can make some viewers feel sympathy for him. The fact that Asuna targeted him directly during her rampages (in which she's implied to have been [[IAmAHumanitarian eating]] her jailers) adds some sympathy points.]]
** On top of being one Asuna's jailers, [[spoiler: Shoji is a pathetic and selfish {{Jerkass}} who makes a habit out of antagonizing his disabled co-worker for no apparent reason other than prejudice. Despite this, seeing him cry and confess to a FalseRapeAccusation after Asuna threatened to eat [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes his dog]] can make some viewers feel sympathy for him. The fact that Asuna targeted him directly during her rampages (in which she's implied to have been [[IAmAHumanitarian eating]] her jailers) adds some sympathy points.]]
