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*** Note that any sympathetic behavior on Prosek's part is directly linked to how obedient/useful anyone is to him, even if they are human. He outright ''declared war'' on Free Quebec because they democratically voted to secede from the CS because he had vastly exceeded the original terms of the whole Coalition by declaring himself TheEmperor. He actually cultivates the Burbs around the CS fortress cities as refugee camps whose human inhabitants have no citizenship rights in the CS because he uses the promise of attaining such status as an incentive for them to become cannon fodder in his armies. Plus he generally has no problems with killing any humans that are not explicitly his subjects (and many who are).


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** On at least two occasions CS troopers have saved the life of ''[[TheHero Erin Tarn]]'' (admittedly not knowing who she was other than an old human lady) from monstrous threats. It is actually possible for CS characters to be LawfulGood, because so much of the world around them is filled with evil monsters, while they themselves are deliberately undereducated and ignorant of politics. Thus they do not know enough to realize their government is evil until it really gets rubbed in their faces.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: the Coalition States in many respects as a nazi-esque pro-tech anti-magic big bad who are racist against aliens. Their views are promoted as being irrationally paranoid and intolerant. A careful look into the powers of many creatures such as dragons, or what magic and psionics are capable of doing, and the comparative weakness of normal humans totally justifies these fears though. The CS Emperor Karl Prosek's speech in Coalition War Campaign, though terrifying Erin Tarn, actually brings up valid points about the unpredictability of magic and how it corrupts humans. The 'Corrupt' class and Dunscon himself in Federation of Magic (the group that originally invaded the Coalition States and instigated their anti-magic attitudes) serve as shining examples of this. As do the Witches ported from Palladium Fantasy, and even the Diabolists and Summoners who also appear in Conversion Book 1, since they make a habit of calling the true name of various Old Ones and Demons and Devils to cast their magic. The risks of magic are made even more apparent when the Nightbane sourcebook Through the Glass Darkly expands the rules and reveals how magic can become sentient on its own, randomly killing living creatures to sustain its PPE. It also reveals how the practice of magic can instill multiple personalities in sorcerers or give them the equivalent of the 'Wizard Eyes' that the Ice King suffers from in Adventure Time.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: the Coalition States in many respects is portrayed as a nazi-esque pro-tech anti-magic big bad who are racist against aliens.aliens/psychics/mages. Their views are promoted as being irrationally paranoid and intolerant. A careful look into Actually examining the powers of many creatures such as dragons, or what magic and psionics are capable abilities of doing, something like a dragon or a high-powered psychic makes them sound a lot more sane. People who have played a lot of Rifts tend to slowly drift towards the Coalition's viewpoint that the possession of certain powersets makes you a constant threat to everyone around you, and you should be treated as such.
** Exposure to a Nonhuman Tactical Strike/Elimination Team campaign aka Supernatural SWAT, which is basically a crash course in just how bad things can get in this department, tends to radically alter
the comparative weakness views of normal humans totally justifies these fears though. The CS Emperor Karl Prosek's speech in Coalition War Campaign, though terrifying Erin Tarn, actually brings up valid points players about the unpredictability of magic and how it corrupts humans. The 'Corrupt' class and Dunscon himself in Federation much of Magic (the group that originally invaded the Coalition States and instigated their anti-magic attitudes) serve as shining examples of this. As do the Witches ported from Palladium Fantasy, and even the Diabolists and Summoners who also appear in Conversion Book 1, since they make a habit of calling the true name of various Old Ones and Demons and Devils to cast their magic. The risks of magic are made even more apparent when the Nightbane sourcebook Through the Glass Darkly expands the rules and reveals how magic can become sentient on its own, randomly killing living creatures to sustain its PPE. It also reveals how the practice of magic can instill multiple personalities in sorcerers or give them the equivalent of the 'Wizard Eyes' that the Ice King suffers from in Adventure Time.is crazy.
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** Before their divorce, Kevin's wife Maryanne was usually listed as the editor. One wonders if she did anything beyond typesetting and posing for various pictures.

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*StrawmanHasAPoint: the Coalition States in many respects as a nazi-esque pro-tech anti-magic big bad who are racist against aliens. Their views are promoted as being irrationally paranoid and intolerant. A careful look into the powers of many creatures such as dragons, or what magic and psionics are capable of doing, and the comparative weakness of normal humans totally justifies these fears though. The CS Emperor Karl Prosek's speech in Coalition War Campaign, though terrifying Erin Tarn, actually brings up valid points about the unpredictability of magic and how it corrupts humans. The 'Corrupt' class and Dunscon himself in Federation of Magic (the group that originally invaded the Coalition States and instigated their anti-magic attitudes) serve as shining examples of this. As do the Witches ported from Palladium Fantasy, and even the Diabolists and Summoners who also appear in Conversion Book 1, since they make a habit of calling the true name of various Old Ones and Demons and Devils to cast their magic. The risks of magic are made even more apparent when the Nightbane sourcebook Through the Glass Darkly expands the rules and reveals how magic can become sentient on its own, randomly killing living creatures to sustain its PPE. It also reveals how the practice of magic can instill multiple personalities in sorcerers or give them the equivalent of the 'Wizard Eyes' that the Ice King suffers from in Adventure Time.
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** Before their divorce, Kevin's wife Maryanne was usually listed as the editor. One wonders if she did anything beyond typesetting.

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** Before their divorce, Kevin's wife Maryanne was usually listed as the editor. One wonders if she did anything beyond typesetting.typesetting and posing for various pictures.
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* ProtectionFromEditors: More like "Kevin doesn't hire any editors," leading to occasional RougeAnglesOfSatin, [[AuthorFilibuster Author Filibusters]] and playtest anecdotes filling up space in the books.

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* ProtectionFromEditors: More like "Kevin doesn't hire any editors," leading to occasional RougeAnglesOfSatin, [[AuthorFilibuster Author Filibusters]] and playtest anecdotes filling up space in the books.books.
** Before their divorce, Kevin's wife Maryanne was usually listed as the editor. One wonders if she did anything beyond typesetting.

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Ruined Forever is now Darth Wiki and not to be wicked in this way.


* BrokenBase: Between the {{Fandom}}, the FanDumb and the HateDumb [[ComplainingAboutGamesYouDontPlay complaints by those who don't play it]], the constant calls of RuinedForever following ''any'' [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks new Sourcebook, rules change]], the rules ''not'' changing for decades, or CanonDefilement (perceived or real)...and the occasional (rare) rational disagreement over an issue related to the game or setting...the Rifts fanbase has split more times than a sequoia's root system.

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* BrokenBase: Between the {{Fandom}}, the FanDumb and the HateDumb [[ComplainingAboutGamesYouDontPlay complaints by those who don't play it]], the constant calls of RuinedForever it was ruined following ''any'' [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks new Sourcebook, rules change]], the rules ''not'' changing for decades, or CanonDefilement (perceived or real)...and the occasional (rare) rational disagreement over an issue related to the game or setting...the Rifts fanbase has split more times than a sequoia's root system.
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** They probably wouldn't get hit with this trope so hard if their armor and weaponry didn't look so darn {{Badass}}.
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** A lot of Emperor Prosek's detractors (both in and out of the game) accuse him of this, though like the Angel and Dunscon above, he does have his PetTheDog moments. For instance, for all that he's merciless and ruthless with anything he considers a threat (real or imagined) to the CS, unlike most tyrannical dictators, he is genuinely concerned for the citizens of the CS, and does his level best to make sure they're well treated. Unfortunately, in his opinion, this includes keeping them ignorant, illiterate, and xenophobic. For the other side of the coin, see DracoInLeatherPants below.


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** This gets brought up in the introduction to the second book in the ''Siege on Tolkeen'' series. Siembieda states flat out that "die-hard fans of the Coalition" will probably be displeased with the way the CS is portrayed in this book. But nothing in the book is coming out of nowhere, it all fits previously-established techniques and doctrines used by the CS for decades now.

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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Some of the things done by [[EldritchAbomination Alien Intelligences]], Atlantis, Dark Mages, Cults, Evil Gods, [[MadScientist Mad Scientists]], and the various versions of TheEmpire are often damned sick and horrifying even by RPG standards!
** There's some stuff, like the Soul Harvesters ([[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin guess what they do]]) from ''Psyscape'', which is so disturbing that the book has a disclaimer right before that section warning off folks with timid sensibilities.
** The artwork and concepts of the four Horsemen of the Apocalypse in the Africa world book.
** The mutants in ''Madhaven''. Their freaky appearance is bad enough until you remember that they're all descended from [[UncannyValley humans]].


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* NightmareFuel: Some of the things done by [[EldritchAbomination Alien Intelligences]], Atlantis, Dark Mages, Cults, Evil Gods, [[MadScientist Mad Scientists]], and the various versions of TheEmpire are often damned sick and horrifying even by RPG standards!
** There's some stuff, like the Soul Harvesters ([[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin guess what they do]]) from ''Psyscape'', which is so disturbing that the book has a disclaimer right before that section warning off folks with timid sensibilities.
** The artwork and concepts of the four Horsemen of the Apocalypse in the Africa world book.
** The mutants in ''Madhaven''. Their freaky appearance is bad enough until you remember that they're all descended from [[UncannyValley humans]].
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* DracoInLeatherPants: For all the atrocities they commit, the Coalition can be surprisingly easy to sympathize with. After all, the vast majority of the world's problems actually ''are'' caused by magic and/or creatures from other dimensions. If it weren't for their zero tolerance policies and ceaseless propaganda, they would easily come off as TheFederation.
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* The artwork and concepts of the four Horsemen of the Apocalypse in the Africa world book.

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* FreudWasRight: Some of the robots have... interesting weapon placements.
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* FetishFuel: Pretty much everything about Atlantis.
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\"Most\" is a gross exaggeration, leaning towards Fantastic Racism. Most non-humans on Rifts Earth are like the humans, just trying to get along on a mad world as best they can.


*** Or, worse still, glorify the evil and atrocities. This may stem from the fact that, while [[ANaziByAnyOtherName the Coalition want to commit genocide on every non-human on Earth]], most non-humans on Earth [[EvilVersusEvil actually are evil.]]
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*** Or, worse still, glorify the evil and atrocities. This may stem from the fact that, while [[ANaziByAnyOtherName the Coalition want to commit genocide on every non-human on Earth]], most many non-humans on Earth [[EvilVersusEvil actually are evil.]]
**** Along with WhatMeasureIsANonHumanWhatMeasureIsANonHuman for the vast majority that isn't evil.
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* BrokenBase: Between the {{Fandom}}, the FanDumb, the {{Hatedom}}, the HateDumb [[ComplainingAboutGamesYouDontPlay complaints by those who don't play it]], the constant calls of RuinedForever following ''any'' [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks new Sourcebook, rules change]], the rules ''not'' changing for decades, or CanonDefilement (perceived or real)...and the occasional (rare) rational disagreement over an issue related to the game or setting...the Rifts fanbase has split more times than a sequoia's root system.

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* BrokenBase: Between the {{Fandom}}, the FanDumb, the {{Hatedom}}, FanDumb and the HateDumb [[ComplainingAboutGamesYouDontPlay complaints by those who don't play it]], the constant calls of RuinedForever following ''any'' [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks new Sourcebook, rules change]], the rules ''not'' changing for decades, or CanonDefilement (perceived or real)...and the occasional (rare) rational disagreement over an issue related to the game or setting...the Rifts fanbase has split more times than a sequoia's root system.
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*** Or, worse still, glorify the evil and atrocities.

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*** Or, worse still, glorify the evil and atrocities. This may stem from the fact that, while [[ANaziByAnyOtherName the Coalition want to commit genocide on every non-human on Earth]], most non-humans on Earth [[EvilVersusEvil actually are evil.]]
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** PowerLevels aside, the Carpet of Adhesion spell is broken because there is effectively no saving throw. If you're caught in the carpet, you're stuck. That's it, no way out.
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** There's some stuff, like the Soul Harvesters ([[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin guess what they do]]) from ''Psyscape'', which is so disturbing that the book has a disclaimer right before that section warning off folks with timid sensibilities.
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* CompleteMonster: Many of the principal villains, both literal monsters and humans, fall into this trope.
** While the Angel of Death and Alistair Dunscon are complete monsters, they have their moments of sympathy in their backstories, Yahuar Huacac the Blood Weeper is practically the epitome of evil and insanity, wanting to rule a continent of the undead where no living thing can survive.
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* ProtectionFromEditors: More like "Kevin doesn't hire any editors," leading to occasional RougeAnglesOfSatin, [[AuthorFilibuster Author Filibusters]] and playtest anecdotes filling up space in the books.
* YourMileageMayVary: RPG fans are [[{{Understatement}} somewhat divided]] on the system, the rules, every setting, every change, the [[{{Hatedom}} creator/publisher himself]]...see BrokenBase.

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* ProtectionFromEditors: More like "Kevin doesn't hire any editors," leading to occasional RougeAnglesOfSatin, [[AuthorFilibuster Author Filibusters]] and playtest anecdotes filling up space in the books.
* YourMileageMayVary: RPG fans are [[{{Understatement}} somewhat divided]] on the system, the rules, every setting, every change, the [[{{Hatedom}} creator/publisher himself]]...see BrokenBase.
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*** Or, worse still, glorify the evil and atrocities.
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** The Palladium forums, though, are pretty tame.

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** The Palladium forums, though, are pretty tame.tame, partly due to strict moderation. (The FanworkBan, one of the bigger sources of flamethrower fuel elsewhere, is [[OrwellianEditor fully supported and obeyed]] here.)

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** Game breaking in the sense of rendering the game unplayable: How do you resolve a skill check? [[WallBanger The rules don't say]]. You have to ''buy other Palladium gameline books'' to get an answer. ''Nice one'', Siembieda!
** It tells you what percentiles are on page 8 of the rule book. Then it tells you what the numbers mean twice for the different type skills sets. What do you think the percent sign is for behind each number when it says radio: 45+5% per level. If you're a first level character, you roll under a 50 on two ten sided dice. * HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Some of the things done by [[EldritchAbomination Alien Intelligences]], Atlantis, Dark Mages, Cults, Evil Gods, [[MadScientist Mad Scientists]], and the various versions of TheEmpire are often damned sick and horrifying even by RPG standards!

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** Game breaking in the sense of rendering the game unplayable: How do you resolve a skill check? [[WallBanger The rules don't say]]. You have to ''buy other Palladium gameline books'' to get an answer. ''Nice one'', Siembieda!
** It tells you what percentiles are on page 8 of the rule book. Then it tells you what the numbers mean twice for the different type skills sets. What do you think the percent sign is for behind each number when it says radio: 45+5% per level. If you're a first level character, you roll under a 50 on two ten sided dice.
* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Some of the things done by [[EldritchAbomination Alien Intelligences]], Atlantis, Dark Mages, Cults, Evil Gods, [[MadScientist Mad Scientists]], and the various versions of TheEmpire are often damned sick and horrifying even by RPG standards!

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