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* QuestionableCasting:
** Creator/SarahSilverman as Alexi Darling. Hell, her character was used so little in the film, it almost feels like a BigLippedAlligatorMoment.
** The movie featured most of the original Broadway cast [[RoleReprise reprising their roles]] around a decade after the show debuted, the sole exceptions being Daphne Rubin-Vega and Fredi Walker.[[note]] The former because she was pregnant, the latter because she thought she had aged out of her role.[[/note]] It's a little hard to take the characters seriously as rebellious and idealistic young bohemians when most of their actors are clearly in their mid-30s.



** At the time the show was written, a SoulCrushingDeskJob was seen as not just easy to get for middle-class white men like Mark and Roger, but as all but inescapable. Maureen would have had a choice between that and being a suburban [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Housewife Housewife]]. Living in poverty in order to focus on one's art when one would otherwise have a comfortable middle-class life was widely seen as a brave and noble thing (though the people who didn't have any choice about whether or not they lived in poverty were never very impressed, which the show does portray). "Selling out" to take a corporate job, even one that used your artistic talents, was a failure that meant you had abandoned your own art. Fast forward to past the 2008 Financial Crisis, when [[SoulCrushingDeskJob Soul Crushing Desk Jobs]] are very difficult to get even for college-educated middle class white men; living by one's art, even in poverty, has become all but impossible; and the job market has become a desperate struggle for survival, and these values have become all but incomprehensible.

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** At the time the show was written, a SoulCrushingDeskJob was seen as not just easy to get for middle-class white men like Mark and Roger, but as all but inescapable. Maureen would have had a choice between that and being a suburban [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Housewife Housewife]].{{Housewife}}. Living in poverty in order to focus on one's art when one would otherwise have a comfortable middle-class life was widely seen as a brave and noble thing (though the people who didn't have any choice about whether or not they lived in poverty were never very impressed, which the show does portray). "Selling out" to take a corporate job, even one that used your artistic talents, was a failure that meant you had abandoned your own art. Fast forward to past the 2008 Financial Crisis, when [[SoulCrushingDeskJob Soul Crushing Desk Jobs]] are very difficult to get even for college-educated middle class white men; living by one's art, even in poverty, has become all but impossible; and the job market has become a desperate struggle for survival, and these values have become all but incomprehensible.



* WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack: It's a rare justified case where the romance is established as mutually unhealthy. Joanne loves Maureen and wants to be with her, but is threatened by how Maureen ReallyGetsAround even when they're in a committed relationship. It's also implied that she helped Maureen cheat on Mark, which makes the "Tango Maureen" hilariously awkward. Mark and she agree that Maureen is a whirlwind and yet you are drawn to her knowing exactly what she is. Joanne and Maureen do break up when Joanne tells off Maureen for her philandering and Maureen calls Joanne a ControlFreak, but they are witnessing their friends succumbing to a fatal disease and attend [[spoiler:Angel's funeral, with Joanne expressly saying she wished that Maureen loved her the way Angel loved Collins]]. [[spoiler:They get back together because Joanne knows she can't get rid of Maureen, and they want to be there for Mimi and Collins]].
* WTHCastingAgency:
** Creator/SarahSilverman as Alexi Darling. Hell, her character was used so little in the film, it almost feels like a BigLippedAlligatorMoment.
** The movie featured most of the original Broadway cast [[RoleReprise reprising their roles]] around a decade after the show debuted, the sole exceptions being Daphne Rubin-Vega and Fredi Walker.[[note]] The former because she was pregnant, the latter because she thought she had aged out of her role.[[/note]] It's a little hard to take the characters seriously as rebellious and idealistic young bohemians when most of their actors are clearly in their mid-30s.

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* WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack: It's a rare justified case where the romance is established as mutually unhealthy. Joanne loves Maureen and wants to be with her, but is threatened by how Maureen ReallyGetsAround even when they're in a committed relationship. It's also implied that she helped Maureen cheat on Mark, which makes the "Tango Maureen" hilariously awkward. Mark and she agree that Maureen is a whirlwind and yet you are drawn to her knowing exactly what she is. Joanne and Maureen do break up when Joanne tells off Maureen for her philandering and Maureen calls Joanne a ControlFreak, but they are witnessing their friends succumbing to a fatal disease and attend [[spoiler:Angel's funeral, with Joanne expressly saying she wished that Maureen loved her the way Angel loved Collins]]. [[spoiler:They Collins. They get back together because Joanne knows she can't get rid of Maureen, and they want to be there for Mimi and Collins]].
* WTHCastingAgency:
** Creator/SarahSilverman as Alexi Darling. Hell, her character was used so little in the film, it almost feels like a BigLippedAlligatorMoment.
** The movie featured most of the original Broadway cast [[RoleReprise reprising their roles]] around a decade after the show debuted, the sole exceptions being Daphne Rubin-Vega and Fredi Walker.[[note]] The former because she was pregnant, the latter because she thought she had aged out of her role.[[/note]] It's a little hard to take the characters seriously as rebellious and idealistic young bohemians when most of their actors are clearly in their mid-30s.
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* EsotericHappyEnding: Mimi recovers from her illness, the bonds of friendship between the main cast are renewed, and the musical ends on a high note, but it doesn't change the fact that half the main cast are HIV-positive (and it's very possible Benny and his wife got infected thanks to Benny's affair with Mimi), and this being the nineties, they're running on borrowed time. (In fact, it had already run out for Angel and WordOfGod says Mimi will die soon after.) Notably, one Dutch production flat out rejected this ending on these grounds and had Mimi die at the end.
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*** Note that these values apply mostly to the ''white'' characters. While Joanne is seen as somewhat stuffy, her profession as a lawyer is ''not'' portrayed as a failure, because it was difficult for her to achieve as a woman of color in the late 80s and early 90s. Benny is held in some contempt for "selling out", but it's clear that the rest of the cast's real resentment is for the personal betrayal involved in telling them that they were "golden", then demanding all the back rent at once as a form of extortion to get them to help in evicting the homeless encampment.

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*** Note that these values apply mostly to the ''white'' characters. While Joanne is seen as somewhat stuffy, her profession as a lawyer is ''not'' portrayed as a failure, because it was difficult for her to achieve as a an LGBTQ woman of color in the late 80s and early 90s. Benny is held in some contempt for "selling out", but it's clear that the rest of the cast's real resentment is for the personal betrayal involved in telling them that they were "golden", then demanding all the back rent at once as a form of extortion to get them to help in evicting the homeless encampment.
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** At the time the show was written, a SoulCrushingDeskJob was seen as not only easy to get for middle-class white men like Mark and Roger, but as all but inescapable. Maureen would have a choice between that and being a suburban [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Housewife Housewife]]. Living in poverty in order to focus on one's art when one would otherwise have a comfortable middle-class life was seen as a brave and noble thing (at least among artists; people who didn't have a choice about whether or not they lived in poverty were never very impressed, which the show does portray). "Selling out" to take a corporate job, even one that used your artistic talents, was a failure that meant you had abandoned your own art. Fast forward to past the 2008 Financial Crisis, when [[SoulCrushingDeskJob Soul Crushing Desk Jobs]] are very difficult to get even for college-educated middle class white men; living by one's art, even in poverty, has become all but impossible; and the job market has become a desperate struggle for survival, and these values have become all but incomprehensible.

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** At the time the show was written, a SoulCrushingDeskJob was seen as not only just easy to get for middle-class white men like Mark and Roger, but as all but inescapable. Maureen would have had a choice between that and being a suburban [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Housewife Housewife]]. Living in poverty in order to focus on one's art when one would otherwise have a comfortable middle-class life was widely seen as a brave and noble thing (at least among artists; (though the people who didn't have a any choice about whether or not they lived in poverty were never very impressed, which the show does portray). "Selling out" to take a corporate job, even one that used your artistic talents, was a failure that meant you had abandoned your own art. Fast forward to past the 2008 Financial Crisis, when [[SoulCrushingDeskJob Soul Crushing Desk Jobs]] are very difficult to get even for college-educated middle class white men; living by one's art, even in poverty, has become all but impossible; and the job market has become a desperate struggle for survival, and these values have become all but incomprehensible.
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** Note that these values apply mostly to the ''white'' characters. While Joanne is seen as somewhat stuffy, her profession as a lawyer is ''not'' portrayed as a failure, because it was difficult for her to achieve as a woman of color in the late 80s and early 90s. Benny is held in some contempt for "selling out", but it's clear that the rest of the cast's real resentment is for the personal betrayal involved in telling them that they were "golden", then demanding all the back rent at once as a form of extortion to get them to help in evicting the homeless encampment.

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** *** Note that these values apply mostly to the ''white'' characters. While Joanne is seen as somewhat stuffy, her profession as a lawyer is ''not'' portrayed as a failure, because it was difficult for her to achieve as a woman of color in the late 80s and early 90s. Benny is held in some contempt for "selling out", but it's clear that the rest of the cast's real resentment is for the personal betrayal involved in telling them that they were "golden", then demanding all the back rent at once as a form of extortion to get them to help in evicting the homeless encampment.
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** At the time the show was written, a SoulCrushingDeskJob was seen as not only easy to get for middle-class white men like Mark and Roger, but as all but inescapable. Maureen would have a choice between that and being a suburban [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Housewife Housewife]]. Living in poverty in order to focus on one's art when one would otherwise have a comfortable middle-class life was seen as a brave and noble thing (at least among artists; people who didn't have a choice about whether or not they lived in poverty were never very impressed, which the show does portray). "Selling out" to take a corporate job, even one that used your artistic talents, was a failure that meant you had abandoned your own art. Fast forward to past the 2008 Financial Crisis, when [[SoulCrushingDeskJob Soul Crushing Desk Jobs]] are very difficult to get even for college-educated middle class white men; living by one's art, even in poverty, has become all but impossible; and the job market has become a desperate struggle for survival, and these values have become all but incomprehensible.
** Note that these values apply mostly to the ''white'' characters. While Joanne is seen as somewhat stuffy, her profession as a lawyer is ''not'' portrayed as a failure, because it was difficult for her to achieve as a woman of color in the late 80s and early 90s. Benny is held in some contempt for "selling out", but it's clear that the rest of the cast's real resentment is for the personal betrayal involved in telling them that they were "golden", then demanding all the back rent at once as a form of extortion to get them to help in evicting the homeless encampment.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: There are some, especially among the show's hatedom, who insist Benny did nothing wrong. While whether or not it was understandable for him to change his mind about not charging his friends rent is up for a debate, he ''did'' promise they could stay there for free, so it's understandable why his friends would be pissed at him for suddenly dropping that bombshell on them. Even if you agree with his decision to charge rent for ''future'' leases, demanding to be paid back for the year's worth of rent he previously said they didn't have to pay is a ''massive'' dick move. While Benny is a decent man at heart, he's far from blameless.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: There are some, especially among the show's hatedom, who insist Benny did nothing wrong. While whether or not it was understandable for him to change his mind about not charging his friends rent is up for a debate, he ''did'' promise they could stay there for free, so it's understandable why his friends would be pissed at him for suddenly dropping that bombshell on them. Even if you agree with his decision to charge rent for ''future'' leases, demanding to be paid back for the year's worth of rent he previously said they didn't have to pay is a ''massive'' dick move. While Benny is a decent man at heart, heart and he does redeem himself in the second act, he's far from blameless.
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** It's often argued that Benny isn't actually a villain because all he's doing is asking his tenants to pay their rent. Put simply, this is not the main point of the protagonists' conflict with him, it's actually two-fold: first, he's going back on their deal to blackmail them with an eviction he knows they couldn't fight in order to get favors out of them, and his main goal is to kick a small tent city's worth of homeless people out of their place to build his studio. The actual rent he's threatening them to pay barely even comes up.

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** It's often argued that Benny isn't actually a villain because all he's doing is asking his tenants to pay their rent. Put simply, this is not the main point of the protagonists' conflict with him, it's actually two-fold: first, he's going back on their deal to blackmail them with an eviction he knows they couldn't fight in order to get favors out of them, and his main goal is to kick a small tent city's worth of homeless people out of their place to build his studio. The actual rent he's threatening them to pay barely even comes up.up - the group rejects the deal immediately and never bring it up again.
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* FairForItsDay: The show was and still is highly regarded for its normalized portrayal of queer sexuality and the frankness in its discussion of AIDS, two things that the wealthy, theater-going crowds of the mid-90s weren't used to seeing. Nowadays, it's often accused of trivializing the AIDS crisis from an ''extremely'' brutal and blatantly homophobic battle for human rights, as well as homelessness itself, to somewhat-minor difficulties (squatters would not be able to afford AZT, even if it were sold secondhand like in the play). The fact that it [[BuryYourGays kills off the gay drag queen/gender-fluid Angel]], while {{spar|edByTheAdaptation}}ing the cishetero Mimi, whose ''Theatre/LaBoheme'' equivalent dies, has also been called into question. It also remains one of the few mainstream shows to feature an openly bisexual character... who perpetuates [[AnythingThatMoves their most hated stereotype]]. And due to author Jonathan Larson's death before the show opened, there's no way of knowing if or how his views might have changed with the times, despite Larson himself being both heavily associated with friends and acquatinces who were LGBT, and having multiple friends who ultimately succumbed to AIDS' grasp.

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* FairForItsDay: The show was and still is highly regarded for its normalized portrayal of queer sexuality and the frankness in its discussion of AIDS, two things that the wealthy, theater-going crowds of the mid-90s weren't used to seeing. Nowadays, it's often accused of trivializing the AIDS crisis from an ''extremely'' brutal and blatantly homophobic battle for human rights, as well as homelessness itself, to somewhat-minor difficulties (squatters would not be able to afford AZT, even if it were sold secondhand like in the play). The fact that it [[BuryYourGays kills off the gay drag queen/gender-fluid Angel]], while {{spar|edByTheAdaptation}}ing the cishetero Mimi, whose ''Theatre/LaBoheme'' equivalent dies, has also been called into question. It also remains one of the few mainstream shows to feature an openly bisexual character... who perpetuates [[AnythingThatMoves [[ReallyGetsAround their most hated stereotype]]. And due to author Jonathan Larson's death before the show opened, there's no way of knowing if or how his views might have changed with the times, despite Larson himself being both heavily associated with friends and acquatinces who were LGBT, and having multiple friends who ultimately succumbed to AIDS' grasp.



* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: The movie starts on Christmas Eve 1989, but the show has always been synonymous with TheNineties. The internet and VirtualReality as [[NewMediaAreEvil an evil takeover plot]], AIDS spreading like wildfire, etc. However, the movie also created [[AnachronismStew a serious anachronism]]: The ''Film/ThelmaAndLouise'' joke in "Today 4 U".

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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: The movie starts on Christmas Eve 1989, but the show has always been synonymous with TheNineties. The internet and VirtualReality Virtual Reality as [[NewMediaAreEvil an evil takeover plot]], AIDS spreading like wildfire, etc. However, the movie also created [[AnachronismStew a serious anachronism]]: The ''Film/ThelmaAndLouise'' joke in "Today 4 U".



* WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack: It's a rare justified case where the romance is established as mutually unhealthy. Joanne loves Maureen and wants to be with her, but is threatened by how Maureen goes after AnythingThatMoves even when they're in a committed relationship. It's also implied that she helped Maureen cheat on Mark, which makes the "Tango Maureen" hilariously awkward. Mark and she agree that Maureen is a whirlwind and yet you are drawn to her knowing exactly what she is. Joanne and Maureen do break up when Joanne tells off Maureen for her philandering and Maureen calls Joanne a ControlFreak, but they are witnessing their friends succumbing to a fatal disease and attend [[spoiler:Angel's funeral, with Joanne expressly saying she wished that Maureen loved her the way Angel loved Collins]]. [[spoiler:They get back together because Joanne knows she can't get rid of Maureen, and they want to be there for Mimi and Collins]].

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* WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack: It's a rare justified case where the romance is established as mutually unhealthy. Joanne loves Maureen and wants to be with her, but is threatened by how Maureen goes after AnythingThatMoves ReallyGetsAround even when they're in a committed relationship. It's also implied that she helped Maureen cheat on Mark, which makes the "Tango Maureen" hilariously awkward. Mark and she agree that Maureen is a whirlwind and yet you are drawn to her knowing exactly what she is. Joanne and Maureen do break up when Joanne tells off Maureen for her philandering and Maureen calls Joanne a ControlFreak, but they are witnessing their friends succumbing to a fatal disease and attend [[spoiler:Angel's funeral, with Joanne expressly saying she wished that Maureen loved her the way Angel loved Collins]]. [[spoiler:They get back together because Joanne knows she can't get rid of Maureen, and they want to be there for Mimi and Collins]].
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* ViewerGenderConfusion: Is Angel a trans woman, a cis male drag queen, or non-binary? They're referred to as female by some characters and male by others. The movie muddies it more by adding scenes of them removing their wig during the life support meeting and, as they are dying, wearing masculine clothes, all without explicitly stating their gender identity. It's uncertain if either Jonathan Larson or Chris Columbus knew enough about the subject of gender queerness to know the difference. Some adaptations like ''Rent LIVE'' have attempted to rectify this by portraying Angel as transfeminine, keeping her pronouns consistent barring Mark's slip-up.

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* ViewerGenderConfusion: Is Angel a trans woman, a cis male drag queen, non-binary, genderfluid, or non-binary? something else entirely? They're referred to as female by some characters and male by others.others, or both at different times depending on context. The movie muddies it more by adding scenes of them removing their wig during the life support meeting and, as they are dying, wearing masculine clothes, all without explicitly stating their gender identity. It's uncertain if either Jonathan Larson or Chris Columbus knew enough about the subject had a specific flavor of gender queerness to know the difference. identity in mind. Some adaptations like ''Rent LIVE'' have attempted to rectify clarify this by portraying Angel as transfeminine, keeping her pronouns consistent barring Mark's slip-up.
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* AcceptableProfessionalTargets: Police officers are portrayed as totalitarian bigots that want to arrest people for no reason on Christmas and get their rocks off oppressing the homeless population just trying to get by.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: There are some, especially among the show's hatedom, who insist Benny did nothing wrong. While whether or not it was understandable for him to change his mind about not charging his friends rent, he ''did'' promise, so it's understandable why his friends would be pissed at him for suddenly dropping that bombshell on them. Even if you agree with his decision to charge rent for ''future'' leases, demanding to be paid back for the year's worth of rent he previously said they didn't have to pay is a ''massive'' dick move. While Benny is a decent man at heart, he's far from blameless.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: There are some, especially among the show's hatedom, who insist Benny did nothing wrong. While whether or not it was understandable for him to change his mind about not charging his friends rent, rent is up for a debate, he ''did'' promise, promise they could stay there for free, so it's understandable why his friends would be pissed at him for suddenly dropping that bombshell on them. Even if you agree with his decision to charge rent for ''future'' leases, demanding to be paid back for the year's worth of rent he previously said they didn't have to pay is a ''massive'' dick move. While Benny is a decent man at heart, he's far from blameless.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: There are some, especially among the show's hatedom, who insist Benny did nothing wrong. While whether or not it was understandable for him to change his mind about not charging his friends rent, he ''did'' promise, so it's understandable why his friends would be pissed at him for suddenly dropping that bombshell on them. Even if you agree with his decision to charge rent for ''future'' leases, demanding to be paid back for the year's worth of rent he previously said they didn't have to pay is a ''massive'' dick move. While Benny is a decent man at heart, he's far from blameless.

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Never Live It Down only applies to character's actions.


* NeverLiveItDown:
** Angel killing the dog, the only immoral act she commits in the show (which was more of a hitjob because she was desperate for money), sullies her entire character for many fans. Year in, year out, the argument never changes...
** Despite only three characters (Maureen, Mark and Roger) living a bohemian lifestyle and Roger having the excuse of being a former heroin addict about to die of AIDS, detractors tend to remember it as "The musical preaching that you can either be a penniless bohemian or a sellout, no alternatives." Additionally, the one which most upsets the show's detractors: "You're either a penniless bohemian, or you're a sell-out," viewing it as a kick in the teeth to all the creative people out there who work day jobs to support themselves while still finding time to make art, or worse (according to the musical), find a way to make money ''through'' their art.

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NeverLiveItDown: Angel killing the dog, the only immoral act she commits in the show (which was more of a hitjob because she was desperate for money), sullies her entire character for many fans. Year in, year out, the argument never changes...
** Despite only three characters (Maureen, Mark and Roger) living a bohemian lifestyle and Roger having the excuse of being a former heroin addict about to die of AIDS, detractors tend to remember it as "The musical preaching that you can either be a penniless bohemian or a sellout, no alternatives." Additionally, the one which most upsets the show's detractors: "You're either a penniless bohemian, or you're a sell-out," viewing it as a kick in the teeth to all the creative people out there who work day jobs to support themselves while still finding time to make art, or worse (according to the musical), find a way to make money ''through'' their art.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: In the show, Mimi is fairly hard to sympathize with during "Another Day", as she basically breaks into Roger's apartment to kiss him and then gets surprised when Roger rejects and yells at her. The film has Roger go further in his anger by outright chasing her out of the apartment building and into the street, so he actually does owe her an apology later on.



* RefrainFromAssuming: "Seasons of Love" is not called "525,600 Minutes".



* UnfortunateImplications:
** Being the only character in the show - and one of the few characters in mainstream theater - to represent bisexuality, Maureen has [[http://fourteeneastmag.com/index.php/2019/02/08/take-it-or-leave-it-the-cultural-legacy-of-rent/ caught]] [[https://transbipoliticalnyc.wordpress.com/tag/rent/ a lot]] [[http://www.btchflcks.com/2016/09/rent-and-bisexual-representation.html of flak]] from the bisexual community. Her [[ReallyGetsAround promiscuity]], [[DepravedBisexual emotional abuse]], and inability to commit to a relationship are common bisexual stereotypes, and they make up the bulk of her character and her conflict with Joanne. Additionally, she's never explicitly called bisexual despite repeated implications that she's still attracted to men, and the only one to assign her a label (Mark's mom) calls her a lesbian. Even if Mark's mom is meant to be simply ignorant, it still comes across as bisexual erasure.[[note]]And no, this is not just a matter of ValuesDissonance - bisexuality was a recognized term by the 1990's, and the term even gets sung during "La Vie Boheme"![[/note]]
** Maureen telling Joanne, "Let me be your slave" during "Happy New Year" can come across as uncomfortable since Maureen and Joanne are [[OriginalCastPrecedent usually played by an interracial couple]] (though Maureen is usually the white woman and Joanne a black woman). This is presumably why the [[https://www.vulture.com/2019/01/rent-live-changes-updates-lyrics-original-musical.html 2019 production televised on FOX]] removed the references to slavery.



* WereStillRelevantDammit: One of the reasons the film flopped was because it came out ten years too late to talk to the youth culture the show captivated in the '90s. Going up against ''Film/HarryPotterAndTheGobletOfFire'' sure as hell didn't help. The musical, however, continues to be extremely popular with a massive cult-following, even if the attitudes of the protagonists can be a bit polarizing.
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* FanPreferredCutContent: A full version of "Goodbye Love" was filmed for the movie, but all of it except for the initial argument was scrapped in post because director Chris Columbus thought it would be too much sadness all at once. It's universally agreed that cutting this was a bad decision, as it removes Benny's redemption when he [[spoiler:pays for Angel's funeral, invites his friends out to drink, and pays for Mimi's rehab]], the climactic Mark/Roger argument (meaning there's no revealing Mark's SurvivorsGuilt nor Roger calling Mark out for hiding behind his camera, meaning there's ''also'' no callout of the audience by proxy), and Roger [[spoiler:abandoning Mimi to die, giving his words in "What You Own" very little weight]]. Reception to the scene itself has been nothing but positive, leaving most fans wishing it had just been kept in.

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* AcceptableProfessionalTargets: Police officers are portrayed as totalitarian bigots that want to arrest people for no reason on Christmas and get their rocks off oppressing the homeless population just trying to get by.



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* CrossesTheLineTwice: The reason a lot of viewers are able to let the whole "killed a dog" thing go and still like Angel? Because the whole thing is just ''so ridiculous'', considering that Angel essentially DisneyVillainDeath'd Evita the Akita with their incessant percussion performance. Crosses into RefugeInAudacity, especially when it's revealed [[AssholeVictim Benny hated the dog, too,]] and seems to have already known that Angel killed it before Collins told him.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: The reason a lot of viewers are able to let the whole "killed a dog" thing go and still like Angel? Because the whole thing is just ''so ridiculous'', considering that Angel essentially DisneyVillainDeath'd Evita the Akita with their incessant percussion performance. performance and she tells the story in such an over-the-top happy manner. Crosses into RefugeInAudacity, especially when it's revealed that not only was it ''Benny's'' dog, but [[AssholeVictim Benny he hated the dog, it too,]] and seems to have already known that Angel killed it before Collins told him.



* JerksAreWorseThanVillains: While Benny is not necessarily a villain, he's still the show's main antagonist and is guilty of things like blackmailing his former friends over rent he knows they can't pay, helping to gentrify the neighborhood, and calling the cops on a tent city, which eventually escalates to a full-fledged riot. He's still far more sympathetic and likable than the pastor at [[spoiler:Angel's funeral]] who, though he's onstage for about fifteen seconds and his worst crime is [[UsefulNotes/{{Homophobia}} calling Collins a "queer"]], is universally despised by the entire fanbase for [[spoiler:insulting a grieving lover like that just because he can't pay the undertaker]].



* PopCultureHoliday: The second the clock hits 9 PM EST on December 24th, fans are bound to post a reference to the musical on social media.

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* PopCultureHoliday: The second the clock hits 9 PM EST on December 24th, fans are bound to post a reference to the musical on social media. media, followed by a second wave an hour later.

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Benny is certainly a sympathetic character, but he does objectively villainous things - he calls the cops on a tent city (which leads to a riot) and is helping to gentrify the area. Also, it's easy to miss, but Benny actually does show an artistic inclination - one of his selling points about the studio is that "it's what we used to dream about". Meanwhile, Collins is a main character and thus isn't an EDH


** '''Benny''' -- The villain if one exists, starts to look like the OnlySaneMan for coming up with an intelligent and workable way to have a day job ''and'' enable creativity on the side. (It should be noted that Benny does not show ''any'' canon inclination towards the arts himself, meaning that he comes up with the Cyber Arts plan ''largely to help his friends''.) That said, he ''is'' taking part in gentrifying the neighborhood, whether or not the protagonists make a convincing case for that, and it is unkind to demand a whole year's worth of back rent from your two unemployed friends without at least giving them advance notice.

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** '''Benny''' -- The villain if one exists, starts to look like the OnlySaneMan for coming up with an intelligent and workable way to have a day job ''and'' enable creativity on the side. (It should be noted that Benny does not show ''any'' canon inclination towards the arts himself, meaning that he comes up with the Cyber Arts plan ''largely to help his friends''.) That said, he ''is'' taking part in gentrifying the neighborhood, whether or not the protagonists make a convincing case for that, and it is unkind to demand a whole year's worth of back rent from your two unemployed friends without at least giving them advance notice.



** On a lighter note, everyone and their mother has their own opinion on what Angel's gender identity is. The fact that many different variations of gender and sex are ''far'' more well-known and understood nowadays than they were when the show was written has only added to this. Ironically, at the same time as sexual identity outside of the old binary is better understood, more people become insistent on finding an ''exact'' category with rules to fit someone into.
* AmericansHateTingle: The show was never popular in Britain, the original West End production ran for one and a half years, with small revivals, then the show was heavily revised as Rent Remixed which was a disaster and lasted 3 months probably damaging the show's reputation in the UK.

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** On a lighter note, everyone and their mother has their own opinion on what Angel's gender identity is. The fact that many different variations of gender and sex are ''far'' more well-known and understood nowadays than they were when the show was written has only added to this.this, especially because the characters are inconsistent with their pronouns (Mark and Roger tend to go male - though Mark "corrects" himself to female at one point - Mimi goes female, and Collins flip-flops but tends to go male). Ironically, at the same time as sexual identity outside of the old binary is better understood, more people become insistent on finding an ''exact'' category with rules to fit someone into.
* AmericansHateTingle: The show was never popular in Britain, Britain; the original West End production ran for one and a half years, with small revivals, then the show was heavily revised as Rent Remixed which was a disaster and lasted 3 months months, probably damaging the show's reputation in the UK. UK.
* AuthorsSavingThrow: In the show, Mimi is fairly hard to sympathize with during "Another Day", as she basically breaks into Roger's apartment to kiss him and then gets surprised when Roger rejects and yells at her. The film has Roger go further in his anger by outright chasing her out of the apartment building and into the street, so he actually does owe her an apology later on.



** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN0FgFvutDc&ab_channel=RafaelOliveira Christmas Bells]] for its almost mind-bogglingly complex harmony, especially starting at about the 5:15 mark. Not only that, but it continues to build the characters' various relationships and plot lines simultaneously yet still in a way that's astonishingly easy to follow onstage. It's not a song that can work as a stand-alone, like many in the play, but it's a standout piece nonetheless.

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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN0FgFvutDc&ab_channel=RafaelOliveira Christmas Bells]] for its almost mind-bogglingly complex harmony, especially starting at about the 5:15 mark.mark - ''five'' parts begin to sing at once, all of which are completely independent of each other. Not only that, but it continues to build the characters' various relationships and plot lines simultaneously yet still in a way that's astonishingly easy to follow onstage. It's not a song that can work as a stand-alone, like many in the play, but it's a standout piece nonetheless.



* CrossesTheLineTwice: The reason a lot of viewers are able to let the whole "killed a dog" thing go and still like Angel? Because the whole thing is just ''so ridiculous'', considering that Angel essentially DisneyVillainDeath'd Evita the Akita with their incessant percussion performance. Crosses into RefugeInAudacity, especially when it's revealed [[AssholeVictim Benny hated the dog, too,]] and probably knew all along that Angel killed it.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: The reason a lot of viewers are able to let the whole "killed a dog" thing go and still like Angel? Because the whole thing is just ''so ridiculous'', considering that Angel essentially DisneyVillainDeath'd Evita the Akita with their incessant percussion performance. Crosses into RefugeInAudacity, especially when it's revealed [[AssholeVictim Benny hated the dog, too,]] and probably knew all along seems to have already known that Angel killed it.it before Collins told him.



* DesignatedVillain:
** Benny is sleazy and cheats on his wife, but certain viewers find his worldview much more sympathetic and reasonable than the others. After all, the thing that makes him a "villain" is not the sleaziness or the cheating, but rather that he wants to make money off the commercial space he owns, rather than letting his friends live there for free. It's often joked among fans that you know you've aged out of ''Rent's'' target demographic when Benny starts making sense.
** Even though even the ''original cast'' acknowledged at the time of shooting the movie (ten years on from the debut of the stage musical) that their feelings towards Benny had softened, the movie goes out of its way to keep him as the villain by removing scenes that feature his redeeming qualities ([[spoiler:like paying for Mimi's rehab and Angel's funeral, and encouraging Roger to get back together with Mimi after he returns to New York, thereby reconciling with everyone]]). Instead, he simply disappears after ''Goodbye Love'', which means we also don't see his comeuppance of his wife catching him cheating on her.



%% * EnsembleDarkhorse: Collins. Even people who don't like the show like him.
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* AmericansHateTingle: The show was never popular in Britain, and any attempts to get it off the ground there have failed.

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* AmericansHateTingle: The show was never popular in Britain, the original West End production ran for one and any attempts to get it off a half years, with small revivals, then the ground there have failed.show was heavily revised as Rent Remixed which was a disaster and lasted 3 months probably damaging the show's reputation in the UK.

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The characters literally never talk about their parents, so all we get about their character is just what's presented in the voicemails. They're pretty much never stated to be anything but loving if very awkward parents.


* AccidentalAesop: Never do business with your friends. They may screw you over, or vice-versa and it can ruin the friendship. If you have no choice, at least get a written agreement that will hold up in court.

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* AccidentalAesop: Never do business with your friends. They may screw you over, over or vice-versa vice-versa, and it can ruin the friendship. If you have no choice, at least get a written agreement that will hold up in court.



** '''The parents of the main characters''' -- The protagonists see them a bunch of overbearing, overprotective and disapproving types who smother and oppress their children. But we don't see much of them, meaning that most of this [[InformedFlaw comes from their children]], and what we ''do'' see might suggest to some that they're actually reasonably loving and caring people who just have the misfortune to have rather troubled and ungrateful children. Especially towards the climax, Roger and Mimi's mothers leave voicemails for them frantically asking where they are.

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** '''The parents '''Mark''' -- A lot of the main characters''' -- The protagonists see them a bunch of overbearing, overprotective and disapproving types who smother and oppress their children. But we don't see much of them, his actions after "Without You" take on an entirely different meaning that most of if the production has him present when [[spoiler:Angel dies. If a production goes this [[InformedFlaw comes route, then him quitting the Buzzline job goes from their children]], and what we ''do'' see might suggest to some that they're actually reasonably loving and caring people who just have dissatisfaction with the misfortune potential career to have rather troubled and ungrateful children. Especially towards the climax, Roger and Mimi's mothers leave voicemails for them frantically asking where they are.finishing his film in a desperate attempt to emotionally recover from watching one of his closest friends die. It also adds a far more disturbing undertone to his line "Angel's voice is in my ear", going from merely missing a friend to outright traumatized]].



* JerkassWoobie: Roger is not wrong that Mark hides in his work largely as a way to not have to deal with his responsibilities and has no right to act as put-upon. Mark is also hiding behind his camera to avoid facing the inevitable fact that his friends are dying before his eyes, and his attitude is a failed attempt to seem the pillar of the group.

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* JerkassWoobie: Roger is not wrong that Mark hides in his work largely as a way to not have to deal with his responsibilities and has no right to act as put-upon. Mark is also hiding behind his camera to avoid facing the inevitable fact that his friends are dying before his eyes, and his attitude is a failed attempt to seem he basically forces himself into the pillar role of TheHeart out of terror for the group.day he'll eventually be alone.



* PopCultureHoliday: The second the clock hits 9 PM on December 24th, fans are bound to post a reference to the musical on social media.

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* PopCultureHoliday: The second the clock hits 9 PM EST on December 24th, fans are bound to post a reference to the musical on social media.



* UnintentionallySympathetic: The parents. We're supposed to think that they're a bunch of repressive old fogies who aren't letting their kids live... but from everything we see of them they're loving, caring parents concerned for their children's welfare. Creator/LindsayEllis wondered if this wasn't done [[IntendedAudienceReaction to deliberately highlight the hypocrisy of our protagonists]].
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it still made less than its budget.


* PresumedFlop: The 2005 film is erroneously believed to be this since it's box-office returns fizzled out after a few weeks. This is ignoring the fact that it made a lot of money during its initial release but also had the misfortune of having to compete with ''Film/HarryPotterAndTheGobletOfFire''.

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* CommonKnowledge: It's often assumed that the entire cast are unemployed hipsters who want to live self indulgently for their art. Actually it's only Mark who is (and Maureen if you go by the book). Collins, Joanne and Mimi are all conventionally employed, Angel has a side hustle and Roger is just recovering from a heroin addiction.

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It's often assumed that the entire cast are unemployed hipsters who want to live self indulgently for their art. Actually it's only Mark who is (and Maureen if you go by the book). Collins, Joanne and Mimi are all conventionally employed, Angel has a side hustle and Roger is just recovering from a heroin addiction.addiction.
** It's often argued that Benny isn't actually a villain because all he's doing is asking his tenants to pay their rent. Put simply, this is not the main point of the protagonists' conflict with him, it's actually two-fold: first, he's going back on their deal to blackmail them with an eviction he knows they couldn't fight in order to get favors out of them, and his main goal is to kick a small tent city's worth of homeless people out of their place to build his studio. The actual rent he's threatening them to pay barely even comes up.
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** "Will I" consists entirely of ''two lines'' sung repeatedly--yet it still manages to be one of the most utterly heartbreaking songs in the play.
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** '''The parents of the main characters''' -- The protagonists see them a bunch of overbearing, overprotective and disapproving types who smother and oppress their children. But we don't see much of them, meaning that most of this [[InformedFlaw comes from their children]], and what we ''do'' see might suggest to some that they're actually reasonably loving and caring people who just have the misfortune to have rather troubled and ungrateful children. Especially towards the climax, Roger and Mimi's mothers leave voicemails for them frantically asking where they are, showing AdultFear.

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** '''The parents of the main characters''' -- The protagonists see them a bunch of overbearing, overprotective and disapproving types who smother and oppress their children. But we don't see much of them, meaning that most of this [[InformedFlaw comes from their children]], and what we ''do'' see might suggest to some that they're actually reasonably loving and caring people who just have the misfortune to have rather troubled and ungrateful children. Especially towards the climax, Roger and Mimi's mothers leave voicemails for them frantically asking where they are, showing AdultFear.are.
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** The movie had all of the original Broadway principles [[RoleReprise reprising their roles]] around a decade later except for Daphne Rubin-Vega and Fredi Walker. The former because she was pregnant, the latter because she thought she had aged out of her role. Tellingly, several viewers thought, given the young ages of these roles (most of whom are generally agreed to be in their mid 20s), the actors were too old to play them at this point.

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** The movie had all featured most of the original Broadway principles cast [[RoleReprise reprising their roles]] around a decade later except for after the show debuted, the sole exceptions being Daphne Rubin-Vega and Fredi Walker. Walker.[[note]] The former because she was pregnant, the latter because she thought she had aged out of her role. Tellingly, several viewers thought, given role.[[/note]] It's a little hard to take the characters seriously as rebellious and idealistic young ages bohemians when most of these roles (most of whom their actors are generally agreed to be clearly in their mid 20s), the actors were too old to play them at this point.mid-30s.
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** Mimi's [[spoiler: DisneyDeath.]] Yes, it's not even close to realistic and the mere concept TastesLikeDiabetes. However, it's still a very touching moment for many, and given the time period when it came out, [[spoiler: the defying of a disease that had countless people terrified]] can be considered quite powerful. And to be fair, nothing explicitly says she's [[spoiler: cured of AIDS and won't have any health issues in the future]] with the only real certain being that she [[spoiler: has at least a little more time with Roger and the others.]]

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** Mimi's [[spoiler: DisneyDeath.]] Yes, it's not even close to realistic and the mere concept TastesLikeDiabetes.realistic. However, it's still a very touching moment for many, and given the time period when it came out, [[spoiler: the defying of a disease that had countless people terrified]] can be considered quite powerful. And to be fair, nothing explicitly says she's [[spoiler: cured of AIDS and won't have any health issues in the future]] with the only real certain being that she [[spoiler: has at least a little more time with Roger and the others.]]
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* FairForItsDay: The show was and still is highly regarded for its normalized portrayal of queer sexuality and the frankness in its discussion of AIDS, two things that the wealthy, theater-going crowds of the mid-90s weren't used to seeing. Nowadays, it's often accused of trivializing the AIDS crisis from an ''extremely'' brutal and blatantly homophobic battle for human rights, as well as homelessness itself, to somewhat-minor difficulties (squatters would not be able to afford AZT). The fact that it [[BuryYourGays kills off the gay drag queen/gender-fluid Angel]], while {{spar|edByTheAdaptation}}ing the cishetero Mimi, whose ''Theatre/LaBoheme'' equivalent dies, has also been called into question. It also remains one of the few mainstream shows to feature an openly bisexual character... who perpetuates [[AnythingThatMoves their most hated stereotype]]. And due to author Jonathan Larson's death before the show opened, there's no way of knowing if or how his views might have changed with the times, despite Larson himself being heavily associated with friends and acquatinces who were LGBT.

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* FairForItsDay: The show was and still is highly regarded for its normalized portrayal of queer sexuality and the frankness in its discussion of AIDS, two things that the wealthy, theater-going crowds of the mid-90s weren't used to seeing. Nowadays, it's often accused of trivializing the AIDS crisis from an ''extremely'' brutal and blatantly homophobic battle for human rights, as well as homelessness itself, to somewhat-minor difficulties (squatters would not be able to afford AZT).AZT, even if it were sold secondhand like in the play). The fact that it [[BuryYourGays kills off the gay drag queen/gender-fluid Angel]], while {{spar|edByTheAdaptation}}ing the cishetero Mimi, whose ''Theatre/LaBoheme'' equivalent dies, has also been called into question. It also remains one of the few mainstream shows to feature an openly bisexual character... who perpetuates [[AnythingThatMoves their most hated stereotype]]. And due to author Jonathan Larson's death before the show opened, there's no way of knowing if or how his views might have changed with the times, despite Larson himself being both heavily associated with friends and acquatinces who were LGBT.LGBT, and having multiple friends who ultimately succumbed to AIDS' grasp.
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** Despite only three characters (Maureen, Mark and Roger) living a bohemian lifestyle and Roger having the excuse of being a former heroin addict about to die of AIDS, detractors tend to remember it as "The musical preaching that you can either be a penniless bohemian or a sellout, no alternatives."

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** Despite only three characters (Maureen, Mark and Roger) living a bohemian lifestyle and Roger having the excuse of being a former heroin addict about to die of AIDS, detractors tend to remember it as "The musical preaching that you can either be a penniless bohemian or a sellout, no alternatives."" Additionally, the one which most upsets the show's detractors: "You're either a penniless bohemian, or you're a sell-out," viewing it as a kick in the teeth to all the creative people out there who work day jobs to support themselves while still finding time to make art, or worse (according to the musical), find a way to make money ''through'' their art.
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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: The movie starts on Christmas Eve 1989, but the show has always been synonymous with TheNineties. The internet and VirtualReality as [[NewMediaAreEvil an evil takeover plot]], AIDS spreading like wildfire, etc. However, the movie also created [[AnachronismStew a serious anachronism]]: The ''Film/ThelmaAndLouise'' joke in "Today 4 U".

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