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* EpilepticTrees: Some players consider the Darkness to be the reason the franchise is called "The World of Darkness," making it the GreaterScopeVillain for every other game line. Seeing how the world apparently was somewhat better back in the time of the Kingdom, it's fair to assume that them spreading played a big part in why the World of Darkness is such a CrapsackWorld, much like how [[TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening the Exarchs are indirectly responsible for humans being so oblivious of the supernatural in all the gamelines]].

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* EpilepticTrees: Some players consider the Darkness to be the reason the franchise is called "The World of Darkness," Darkness", making it the GreaterScopeVillain for every other game line. Seeing how the world apparently was somewhat better back in the time of the Kingdom, it's fair to assume that them spreading played a big part in why the World of Darkness is such a CrapsackWorld, much like how [[TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening the Exarchs are indirectly responsible for humans being so oblivious of the supernatural in all the gamelines]].



* FridgeBrilliance: Why do none of the stereotypes have anything good to say about [[TabletopGame/BeastThePrimordial Beasts?]] Even the most well-intentioned Beast is born of the Primordial Dream and embodies a primal fear of humankind. TabletopGame/PrincessTheHopeful is a game about ''fighting fear''.

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* FridgeBrilliance: Why do none of the stereotypes have anything good to say about [[TabletopGame/BeastThePrimordial Beasts?]] {{TabletopGame/Beast|ThePrimordial}}s? Even the most well-intentioned Beast is born of the Primordial Dream and embodies a primal fear of humankind. TabletopGame/PrincessTheHopeful ''Princess: The Hopeful'' is a game about ''fighting fear''.
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that was a trope i think


* AlternateShowInterpretation: The Gameline has two different versions, Dream and Vocation:
** Dream envisions Princesses as deeply connected to mundane society, and is envisioned as a toolbox that can create any magical girl story (at least in theme and styles) and could be used for a something like Anime/MagicalAngelCreamyMami as easily as a something like Literature/SailorNothing.
** Vocation envisions the Princesses as more connected to supernatural society, and is also supposed to be a game for war stories, with even combat-free games being set against the backdrop of the War of Hope and resembling something like ''Series/{{MASH}}''.
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* VillainHasAPoint: Mirrors' stereotype of Tears. It's probably meant to come off as Mirrors not understanding why Alhambra doesn't think like they do, but it's easy to read it as a sort of "you can do better than this" message.
-->''Why are you wasting your lives defending a city? You're more important than a city.''

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: [[DefiedTrope Actively defied]]; a huge part of this game's appeal comes from how [[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers it rejects this trope]] in [[TabletopGame/ChroniclesOfDarkness a setting where it should pretty much be played straight]]. The setting puts traditional {{Magical Girl}}s in an [[CrapsackWorld infamously dark universe where evil typically wins]], throws everything horrible at them, has them at their weakest... [[DeconReconSwitch and then has them getting back up, refusing to give up and fighting back the Darkness]], with a strong implication that [[EarnYourHappyEnding yes, even if it won't be easy, they actually have a chance to win]].



* TooBleakStoppedCaring: [[DefiedTrope Actively defied]]; a huge part of this game's appeal comes from how [[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers it rejects this trope]] in [[TabletopGame/ChroniclesOfDarkness a setting where it should pretty much be played straight]]. The setting puts traditional {{Magical Girl}}s in an [[CrapsackWorld infamously dark universe where evil typically wins]], throws everything horrible at them, has them at their weakest... [[DeconReconSwitch and then has them getting back up, refusing to give up and fighting back the Darkness]], with a strong implication that [[EarnYourHappyEnding yes, even if it won't be easy, they actually have a chance to win]].



-->''Why are you wasting your lives defending a city? You're more important than a city.''

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* * VillainHasAPoint: Mirrors' stereotype of Tears. It's probably meant to come off as Mirrors not understanding why Alhambra doesn't think like they do, but it's easy to read it as a sort of "you can do better than this" message.

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* * VillainHasAPoint: Mirrors' stereotype of Tears. It's probably meant to come off as Mirrors not understanding why Alhambra doesn't think like they do, but it's easy to read it as a sort of "you can do better than this" message.
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* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Princesses of Mirrors are very disliked in-universe for being immature, egomaniac brats, but a lot of fans absolutely ''love'' them for the very same reasons, because it makes them fun to roleplay as and [[AwesomeEgo their powers are impressive enough that they can actually back up their ego]]. The fact [[LoonWithAHeartOfGold they are the only Twilight Princesses actually trying to improve the world]] helps.

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* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Princesses of Mirrors are very disliked in-universe for being immature, egomaniac brats, but a lot of fans absolutely ''love'' them for the very same reasons, because it makes them fun to roleplay as and [[AwesomeEgo their powers are impressive enough that they can actually back up their ego]]. The fact [[LoonWithAHeartOfGold they are the only Twilight Princesses actually trying to improve the world]] helps.helps.
* * VillainHasAPoint: Mirrors' stereotype of Tears. It's probably meant to come off as Mirrors not understanding why Alhambra doesn't think like they do, but it's easy to read it as a sort of "you can do better than this" message.
-->''Why are you wasting your lives defending a city? You're more important than a city.''
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** The Detroit supplement generated its own share of controversy in the community, particularly for using C.O.R.D., an African American community organization weaponizing hatred toward whites, as its primary Dark Cult. Some argued it was an interesting take about [[TragicVillain how resentment from being prejudiced against can turn you to atrocities]], others that it spread horrible implications about a black group being portrayed as an evil-worshipping cult. [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment And that's all we'll say about that.]]

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** The Detroit supplement generated its own share of controversy in the community, particularly for using C.O.R.D., an African American community organization weaponizing hatred toward whites, as its primary Dark Cult. Some argued it was an interesting take about [[TragicVillain how resentment from being prejudiced against can turn you to atrocities]], others that it spread horrible implications about a black group being portrayed as an evil-worshipping cult. [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment And that's all we'll say about that.]]
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* CrazyAwesome: The Queen of Spades is a ReformedButNotTamed RebelLeader who occasionally leaves her palace to walk around in her kingdom, pulling pranks on everyone, and is infamously responsible for half the graffiti in it. She tends to encourage her followers to try the craziest solutions possible, and when they protest insists they have to try before saying it's impossible. And her typical Princesses tend to be {{Lovable Rogue}}s who are just as likely to pull pranks as she is. Oh, and there are even rumors about Princesses of Spades who managed to [[DidYouJustScamCthulhu scam]] ''[[TabletopGame/ChangelingTheLost True Fae]]'', of all people.

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* CrazyAwesome: CrazyIsCool: The Queen of Spades is a ReformedButNotTamed RebelLeader who occasionally leaves her palace to walk around in her kingdom, pulling pranks on everyone, and is infamously responsible for half the graffiti in it. She tends to encourage her followers to try the craziest solutions possible, and when they protest insists they have to try before saying it's impossible. And her typical Princesses tend to be {{Lovable Rogue}}s who are just as likely to pull pranks as she is. Oh, and there are even rumors about Princesses of Spades who managed to [[DidYouJustScamCthulhu scam]] ''[[TabletopGame/ChangelingTheLost True Fae]]'', of all people.

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These aren't YMMV. Moving.


* {{Foil}}: Courtwise, the Queen of Mirrors philosophies and emotion are the exact opposite of the Queen of Wands. Whereas hers is all about [[ItsAllAboutMe vanity and that you alone can resurrect the Kingdom]], Wands is all about Humility and [[TrueCompanions working in a team to solve problems.]]
** There's also the smart, pragmatic Court of Diamonds towards the LargeHam Court of Swords, the traditionally aligned Court of Hearts towards the whimsical Court of Spades, the calm and harmonious Court of Clubs to the hateful and chaotic Court of Storms.



* MinmaxersDelight: Specchio charms are horrendously useful for self-buffing. Take a few charms they use, such as ''Beauty is Talented'' (adds ''Striking Looks'' bonus to any dice rolls for a few turns), Gems from ''Enduring Beauty'' (gives equipment bonuses when added to Bequests or you can crush them to add their resources/availability as a number of automatic successes to any roll that's in line with Specchio), and ANY skill enchancing charm by invoking the Specchio Invocation (it can be invoked for free if the target of the charm is the using Princess, in which case all Skill Enhancer charms target the Princess), and you have at minimum a +2 bonus with an automatic single success (if the gem was crushed) or a +3 bonus instead (if used in a Bequest). At maximum aka Specchio 5? It's a +7 Bonus and Five automatic successes (if the gem was crushed) or a +12 Bonus (if used in a bequest). Really, Specchio could easily reach levels of broken if it didn't cause insanity and (on the part of the Gems) require HumanResources to get them from.
** Enters FridgeBrilliance territory when you realize this is exactly what a Princess of Mirrors would ''want'' to be - the [[TheHero brave Princess]] who is [[ItsUpToYou always strong enough to save the day on her own]], [[TheMainCharactersDoEverything because they're]] TheChosenOne [[ItsAllAboutMe while everybody else is just a helpful secondary character]].
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* EvilIsCool: WellIntentionedExtremist is cool, at least. The Queen of Storms is essentially a storm of hatred and vengeance that constantly rages against Darkness. ''And she's winning''. Little wonder that she's the most popular of the Queens.
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*CompleteMonster: [[ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight The Boogeyman]] is the most terrible of the [[DarkIsEvil Cataphractoi]]. A being who only cares about [[WouldHurtAChild making children suffer]], the Boogeyman once ran a kingdom where countless children were taken to be tortured, tormented and devoured by his monstrous subjects. Upon the kingdom's fall, the Boogeyman focuses on children personally, luring them in to be caught in his domains so he can [[MindRape torment them mentally before killing them]].
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** There is mention of other Queens (and Kings), resulting in the discussion and creation of other Queens and Invocatilns.

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* FanficFuel: The supplement describing what the Twilight Queens were like as Radiant seems to have made it popular for fans to imagine WhatIf scenarios about what the present-day Radiant would have been like if ''they'' had become the Twilight Queens.

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** The Detroit supplement generated its own share of controversy in the community, particularly for using an African American community organization weaponizing hatred toward whites as its primary Dark Cult. Some argued it was an interesting take about [[TragicVillain how resentment from being prejudiced against can turn you to atrocities]], others that it spread horrible implications about a black group being portrayed as an evil-worshipping cult. [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment And that's all we'll say about that.]]

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** The Detroit supplement generated its own share of controversy in the community, particularly for using C.O.R.D., an African American community organization weaponizing hatred toward whites whites, as its primary Dark Cult. Some argued it was an interesting take about [[TragicVillain how resentment from being prejudiced against can turn you to atrocities]], others that it spread horrible implications about a black group being portrayed as an evil-worshipping cult. [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment And that's all we'll say about that.]]
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** The Detroit supplement generated its own share of controversy in the community, particularly for using an African American community organization weaponizing hatred toward whites as its primary Dark Cult. Some argued it was an interesting take about [[TragicVillain how resentment from being prejudiced against can turn you to horrible acts]], others that it spread horrible implications about black people being portrayed as an evil-worshipping cult. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment And that's all we'll say about that.]]

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** The Detroit supplement generated its own share of controversy in the community, particularly for using an African American community organization weaponizing hatred toward whites as its primary Dark Cult. Some argued it was an interesting take about [[TragicVillain how resentment from being prejudiced against can turn you to horrible acts]], atrocities]], others that it spread horrible implications about a black people group being portrayed as an evil-worshipping cult. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment And that's all we'll say about that.]]
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** The Detroit supplement generated its own share of controversy in the community, particularly for using an African American community organization weaponizing hatred toward whites as its primary Dark Cult. Some argued it was an interesting take about [[TragicVillain how resentment from being prejudiced against can turn you to horrible acts]], or horrible implications about black people being portrayed as an evil-worshipping cult.

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** The Detroit supplement generated its own share of controversy in the community, particularly for using an African American community organization weaponizing hatred toward whites as its primary Dark Cult. Some argued it was an interesting take about [[TragicVillain how resentment from being prejudiced against can turn you to horrible acts]], or others that it spread horrible implications about black people being portrayed as an evil-worshipping cult.cult. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment And that's all we'll say about that.]]

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* BrokenBase: Fans of the game don't necessarily agree on which between the Vocation and Dream versions is the best.
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Fans of the game don't necessarily agree on which between the Vocation and Dream versions is the best.
** The Detroit supplement generated its own share of controversy in the community, particularly for using an African American community organization weaponizing hatred toward whites as its primary Dark Cult. Some argued it was an interesting take about [[TragicVillain how resentment from being prejudiced against can turn you to horrible acts]], or horrible implications about black people being portrayed as an evil-worshipping cult.
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** The Detroit supplement generated its own share of controversy in the community, particularly for using an African American community organization weaponizing hatred toward whites as its primary Dark Cult.


* CounterpartComparison: As both groups are delusional self-obsessed [[GloryHound glory hounds]] who operate on MoralMyopia, the Court of Mirrors has been compared to Heroes from ''TabletopGame/BeastThePrimordial''. However, unlike Heroes, who are at the centre of an enormous InternetBackdraft, the Court of Mirrors are uncontroversial and well-liked by fans.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: The Princesses of Mirrors; while they definitely are [[ALighterShadeOfBlack far less bad than the other two Twilight Courts]] and ''are'' very idealistic ([[WideEyedIdealist a bit too much for their own sake in fact]]), their popularity has led many fans to see them as [[LoonWithAHeartOfGold Loons with a Heart of Gold]] who qualify more as allies than enemies to the Radiant. Some of them indeed fit this interpretation, but this is blatantly ignoring some of their nastier aspects, such as the fact they often are {{Glory Seeker}}s and textbook {{Alpha Bitch}}es who actively ruin the work of their comrades to make themselves look better, or some of the darker Charms they use (One of them allows to ''peel someone's beauty off their face'').

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* DracoInLeatherPants: The Princesses of Mirrors; while they definitely are [[ALighterShadeOfBlack far less bad than the other two Twilight Courts]] and ''are'' very idealistic ([[WideEyedIdealist a bit too much for their own sake in fact]]), their popularity has led many fans to see them as [[LoonWithAHeartOfGold Loons with a Heart of Gold]] who qualify more as allies than enemies to the Radiant. Some of them indeed fit this interpretation, but this is blatantly ignoring some of their nastier aspects, such as the fact they often are {{Glory Seeker}}s and textbook {{Alpha Bitch}}es who actively ruin the work of their comrades to make themselves look better, the sheer danger a mad TautologicalTemplar with magical powers can be to those around them, or some of the darker Charms they use (One of them allows to ''peel someone's beauty off their face'').
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Not really debatable. These guys really do suck as a general rule, but they're being played as practically good guys. It's not even downplayed, as these villainous characters are being played up as goofy heroes as opposed to merely antiheroes. It's pretty straight-forward... Not that I don't think the Brats aren't hilarious, too. They have the potential for an over-the-top, self-absorbed antihero that turns into a T. rex all day to fight crime.


* DracoInLeatherPants: Debatably the Princesses of Mirrors; while they definitely are [[ALighterShadeOfBlack far less bad than the other two Twilight Courts]] and ''are'' very idealistic ([[WideEyedIdealist a bit too much for their own sake in fact]]), their popularity has led many fans to see them as [[LoonWithAHeartOfGold Loons with a Heart of Gold]] who qualify more as allies than enemies to the Radiant. Some of them indeed fit this interpretation, but this is blatantly ignoring some of their nastier aspects, such as the fact they often are {{Glory Seeker}}s and textbook {{Alpha Bitch}}es who actively ruin the work of their comrads to make themselves look better, or some of the darker Charms they use (One of them allows to ''peel someone's beauty off their face'').

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Debatably the The Princesses of Mirrors; while they definitely are [[ALighterShadeOfBlack far less bad than the other two Twilight Courts]] and ''are'' very idealistic ([[WideEyedIdealist a bit too much for their own sake in fact]]), their popularity has led many fans to see them as [[LoonWithAHeartOfGold Loons with a Heart of Gold]] who qualify more as allies than enemies to the Radiant. Some of them indeed fit this interpretation, but this is blatantly ignoring some of their nastier aspects, such as the fact they often are {{Glory Seeker}}s and textbook {{Alpha Bitch}}es who actively ruin the work of their comrads comrades to make themselves look better, or some of the darker Charms they use (One of them allows to ''peel someone's beauty off their face'').
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** Vocation envisions the Princesses as more connected to supernatural society, and is also supposed to be a game for war stories, with even combat free games being set against the backdrop of the War of Hope and resembling something like ''Series/{{MASH}}''.

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** Vocation envisions the Princesses as more connected to supernatural society, and is also supposed to be a game for war stories, with even combat free combat-free games being set against the backdrop of the War of Hope and resembling something like ''Series/{{MASH}}''.

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