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** Some viewers might also wish Shu had more overt & clear personal growth; his amount of character development is debatable and primarily a matter of subtext and interpretation.

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** Some viewers might also wish Shu had more overt & and clear personal growth; his amount of character development is debatable and primarily a matter of subtext and interpretation.
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* CompleteMonster: [[TheCaligula King]] [[BigBad Hamdo]] uses his floating fortress, Hellywood, to plunder resources from a desperate land as well as kidnap children to use as soldiers in his army. [[EstablishingCharacterMoment Introduced]] [[BadPeopleAbuseAnimals strangling his own cat to death]], Hamdo reacts with psychotic glee upon learning his men have found a girl who possesses an amulet capable of creating water, a precious resource in his time. When he discovers she's lost said amulet and refuses to help him find it, Hamdo flies into a rage and [[WouldHurtAChild is implied to rape her as punishment]]. [[DirtyCoward So cowardly]] that any threat of his enemies coming close to him sends him into a panic, Hamdo orders his second-in-command to fire upon them, even while his own ChildSoldiers are engaged with them on the frontline, caring nothing for them in the face of getting to save his own skin. Despite preaching a campaign to unify the desolate world, Hamdo's actions [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist make it clear]] he's a [[PsychopathicManchild self-serving, unintelligent bully]] whose [[ItsAllAboutMe only interest is in securing and consolidating his own power]].

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* CompleteMonster: [[TheCaligula King]] [[BigBad Hamdo]] uses his floating giant flying fortress, Hellywood, to plunder resources from a desperate land as well as kidnap children to use as soldiers in his army. [[EstablishingCharacterMoment Introduced]] [[BadPeopleAbuseAnimals strangling his own cat to death]], Hamdo reacts with psychotic glee upon learning his men have found a girl who possesses an amulet capable of creating water, a precious resource in his time. When he discovers she's lost said amulet and refuses to help him find it, Hamdo flies into a rage and [[WouldHurtAChild is implied to rape her as punishment]]. [[DirtyCoward So cowardly]] that any threat of his enemies coming close to him sends him into a panic, Hamdo orders his second-in-command to fire upon them, even while his own ChildSoldiers are engaged with them on the frontline, caring nothing for them in the face of getting to save his own skin. Despite preaching a campaign to unify the desolate world, Hamdo's actions [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist make it clear]] he's a [[PsychopathicManchild self-serving, unintelligent bully]] whose [[ItsAllAboutMe only interest is in securing and consolidating his own power]].
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* MainstreamObscurity: As much as this series is mentioned, very few have actually gotten around to watching it.

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* MainstreamObscurity: As much as this series is mentioned, very few have actually gotten around to watching it. There's a very good reason for that, though.
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* AcceptableTargets: Probably warlords.

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* AcceptableTargets: Probably warlords.warlords and dictators.
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* CompleteMonster: [[TheCaligula King]] [[BigBad Hamdo]] uses his floating fortress, Hellywood, to plunder resources from a desperate land as well as kidnap children to use as soldiers in his army. [[EstablishingCharacterMoment Introduced]] [[BadPeopleAbuseAnimals strangling his own cat to death]], Hamdo reacts with psychotic glee upon learning his men have found a girl who possesses an amulet capable of creating water, a precious resource in his time. When he discovers she's lost said amulet and refuses to help him find it, Hamdo flies into a rage and [[WouldHurtAChild is implied to rape her as punishment]]. [[DirtyCoward So cowardly]] that any threat of his enemies coming close to him sends him into a panic, Hamdo orders his second-in-command to fire upon them, even while his own ChildSoldiers are engaged with them on the frontline, caring nothing for them in the face of getting to save his own skin. Despite preaching a campaign to unify the desolate world, Hamdo's actions [[[[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist make it clear]] he's a [[PsychopathicManchild self-serving, unintelligent bully]] whose [[ItsAllAboutMe only interest is in securing and consolidating his own power]].

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* CompleteMonster: [[TheCaligula King]] [[BigBad Hamdo]] uses his floating fortress, Hellywood, to plunder resources from a desperate land as well as kidnap children to use as soldiers in his army. [[EstablishingCharacterMoment Introduced]] [[BadPeopleAbuseAnimals strangling his own cat to death]], Hamdo reacts with psychotic glee upon learning his men have found a girl who possesses an amulet capable of creating water, a precious resource in his time. When he discovers she's lost said amulet and refuses to help him find it, Hamdo flies into a rage and [[WouldHurtAChild is implied to rape her as punishment]]. [[DirtyCoward So cowardly]] that any threat of his enemies coming close to him sends him into a panic, Hamdo orders his second-in-command to fire upon them, even while his own ChildSoldiers are engaged with them on the frontline, caring nothing for them in the face of getting to save his own skin. Despite preaching a campaign to unify the desolate world, Hamdo's actions [[[[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist make it clear]] he's a [[PsychopathicManchild self-serving, unintelligent bully]] whose [[ItsAllAboutMe only interest is in securing and consolidating his own power]].

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* CompleteMonster: [[TheCaligula King Hamdo]] is a raging and unpredictable tyrant who uses ChildSoldiers as CannonFodder. Hamdo evokes the smallest drop of pity because he is obviously insane and in great pain, but then then he kills his cat in a temper tantrum and [[WouldHurtAChild sexually assaults a little girl]]. His second-in-command warns him that one of his tactical moves will directly result in the bloody deaths of thousands of children, and his response is, [[WeHaveReserves more or less]], "So?"

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* CompleteMonster: [[TheCaligula King King]] [[BigBad Hamdo]] is a raging and unpredictable tyrant who uses ChildSoldiers his floating fortress, Hellywood, to plunder resources from a desperate land as CannonFodder. well as kidnap children to use as soldiers in his army. [[EstablishingCharacterMoment Introduced]] [[BadPeopleAbuseAnimals strangling his own cat to death]], Hamdo evokes the smallest drop reacts with psychotic glee upon learning his men have found a girl who possesses an amulet capable of pity because creating water, a precious resource in his time. When he is obviously insane discovers she's lost said amulet and in great pain, but then then he kills his cat in refuses to help him find it, Hamdo flies into a temper tantrum rage and [[WouldHurtAChild sexually assaults is implied to rape her as punishment]]. [[DirtyCoward So cowardly]] that any threat of his enemies coming close to him sends him into a little girl]]. His panic, Hamdo orders his second-in-command warns him that one of to fire upon them, even while his tactical moves will directly result own ChildSoldiers are engaged with them on the frontline, caring nothing for them in the bloody deaths face of thousands of children, getting to save his own skin. Despite preaching a campaign to unify the desolate world, Hamdo's actions [[[[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist make it clear]] he's a [[PsychopathicManchild self-serving, unintelligent bully]] whose [[ItsAllAboutMe only interest is in securing and consolidating his response is, [[WeHaveReserves more or less]], "So?"own power]].
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing / TruffautWasRight: Averted. Like the aforementioned ''Anime/GraveOfTheFireflies'', this is one of the few (anti)-war shows that doesn't make war or the life of a soldier look like fun.

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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing / TruffautWasRight: DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Averted. Like the aforementioned ''Anime/GraveOfTheFireflies'', this is one of the few (anti)-war shows that doesn't make war or the life of a soldier look like fun.
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* MoralEventHorizon: King Hamdo has a few, before the series started, he had abducted numerous children, put them into combat [[spoiler: and destroyed their villages so they can't go home.]] Other examples could be Ordering Shu tortured.

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* MoralEventHorizon: King Hamdo has a few, before the series started, he had abducted numerous children, put them into combat [[spoiler: and destroyed their villages so they can't go home.]] Other examples could be Ordering ordering Shu tortured.
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing / TruffautWasRight: Averted. Like the aforementioned ''GraveOfTheFireflies'', this is one of the few (anti)-war shows that doesn't make war or the life of a soldier look like fun.

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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing / TruffautWasRight: Averted. Like the aforementioned ''GraveOfTheFireflies'', ''Anime/GraveOfTheFireflies'', this is one of the few (anti)-war shows that doesn't make war or the life of a soldier look like fun.

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* CompleteMonster: [[TheCaligula King Hamdo]] is a raging and unpredictable tyrant who uses {{child soldiers}} as {{cannon fodder}}. Hamdo evokes the smallest drop of pity because he is obviously insane and in great pain, but then then he kills his cat in a temper tantrum and [[WouldHurtAChild sexually assaults a little girl]]. His second-in-command warns him that one of his tactical moves will directly result in the bloody deaths of thousands of children, and his response is, [[WeHaveReserves more or less]], "So?"

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* CompleteMonster: [[TheCaligula King Hamdo]] is a raging and unpredictable tyrant who uses {{child soldiers}} ChildSoldiers as {{cannon fodder}}.CannonFodder. Hamdo evokes the smallest drop of pity because he is obviously insane and in great pain, but then then he kills his cat in a temper tantrum and [[WouldHurtAChild sexually assaults a little girl]]. His second-in-command warns him that one of his tactical moves will directly result in the bloody deaths of thousands of children, and his response is, [[WeHaveReserves more or less]], "So?"

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* CompleteMonster: King Hamdo is a raging and unpredictable tyrant who uses {{child soldiers}} as cannon fodder. Hamdo evokes the smallest drop of sympathy because he is obviously insane and in great pain - and then he kills his cat in a temper tantrum and sexually assaults a little girl. His second-in-command warns him that one of his tactical moves will [[WeHaveReserves directly result in the bloody deaths of thousands of children]], and his response is, more or less, "So?"

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* CompleteMonster: [[TheCaligula King Hamdo Hamdo]] is a raging and unpredictable tyrant who uses {{child soldiers}} as cannon fodder. {{cannon fodder}}. Hamdo evokes the smallest drop of sympathy pity because he is obviously insane and in great pain - and pain, but then then he kills his cat in a temper tantrum and [[WouldHurtAChild sexually assaults a little girl. girl]]. His second-in-command warns him that one of his tactical moves will [[WeHaveReserves directly result in the bloody deaths of thousands of children]], children, and his response is, [[WeHaveReserves more or less, less]], "So?"
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* MainstreamObscurity: As much as this series is mentioned, very few have actually gotten around to watching it.
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* TheScrappy: Shu is this to some viewers, mostly due to his near-boundless energy and optimism in such a horrible setting (see Shoot The Shaggy Dog below) and thinking that mere chin-up platitudes are enough to ease the pain of [[spoiler:rape]]. Some were also annoyed by him prioritizing Lala-ru's well-being over Sara.
** You probably won't hear as many issues about Hamdo being in this category, for the reasons covered under Complete Monster.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceapathy: After the NonIndicativeFirstEpisode, the series pulls no punches in being grim-dark, complete with [[CompleteMonster one of the most abominable villains in history]] and a main character who is [[PinballProtagonist near-powerless to change much.]] In the end, the protagonist has no great influence and is able only to inspire the actually-powerful Lala-Ru to bring about a more-or-less happy ending. The mostly-positive outcome feels insignificant after the series' overall dark journey.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceapathy: DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: After the NonIndicativeFirstEpisode, the series pulls no punches in being grim-dark, complete with [[CompleteMonster one of the most abominable villains in history]] and a main character who is [[PinballProtagonist near-powerless to change much.]] In the end, the protagonist has no great influence and is able only to inspire the actually-powerful Lala-Ru to bring about a more-or-less happy ending. The mostly-positive outcome feels insignificant after the series' overall dark journey.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceapathy: After the NonIndicativeFirstEpisode, the series pulls no punches in being grim-dark, complete with [[CompleteMonster one of the most abominable villains in history]] and a main character who is [[PinballProtagonist near-powerless to change much.]] Hell, the main character's actions don't even affect the resolution of the series.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceapathy: After the NonIndicativeFirstEpisode, the series pulls no punches in being grim-dark, complete with [[CompleteMonster one of the most abominable villains in history]] and a main character who is [[PinballProtagonist near-powerless to change much.]] Hell, In the main character's actions don't even affect end, the resolution of protagonist has no great influence and is able only to inspire the series.actually-powerful Lala-Ru to bring about a more-or-less happy ending. The mostly-positive outcome feels insignificant after the series' overall dark journey.
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* ShootTheShaggyDog: Some viewers were disappointed to see that, in the end, [[spoiler:Lala-Ru fade out of existence and Shu finally returns home with nothing to show for his journey]]. This depends on the viewer though, since Shu clearly achieves a significant victory in [[spoiler:inspiring Lala-Ru to restore water to the world and ending Hamdo's reign of terror]].
** Some viewers might also wish Shu had more overt & clear personal growth; his amount of character development is debatable and primarily a matter of subtext and interpretation.
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* [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome Crowning Music Of Heartbreaking]]: As he proved on the Rurouni Kenshin OAV soundtracks, Taku Iwasaki's music WILL make you want to sob in the corner just by listening to it.

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* [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome Crowning Music Of Heartbreaking]]: As he proved on the Rurouni Kenshin OAV soundtracks, Taku Iwasaki's Creator/TakuIwasaki's music WILL make you want to sob in the corner just by listening to it.

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* DiabolusExNihilo: The sand monster in Episode 8. It makes for a good JumpScare and is [[DeTerminator quite hard to shake off]], but it doesn't affect the plot much and is never spoken of again. It might even have counted as a BigLippedAlligatorMoment if not for some of threatening animals already seen skulking around, as well as the general CrapsackWorld atmosphere.

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* DiabolusExNihilo: The sand giant plant monster in Episode 8. It makes for a good JumpScare and is [[DeTerminator quite hard to shake off]], but it doesn't affect the plot much and is never spoken of again. It might even have counted as a BigLippedAlligatorMoment if not for some of threatening animals already seen skulking around, as well as the general CrapsackWorld atmosphere.


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* EsotericHappyEnding: Even setting aside the whole GoodGirlsAvoidAbortion thing, the script seems to entirely forget that Sara's parents [[spoiler:are now never going to see her again and she's very likely going to be killed by the Earth's still supernova-ing sun]]. Shu's optimism seems just a ''little'' misplaced.
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Fridge Logic


* FridgeLogic: How are Sara and Shu able to talk to each other? It's highly doubtful that Sara's fluent in Japanese and Shu in English, and for that matter what language does everyone in Hellywood speak? How are Sara and Shu able to speak to them?
** Another question is why they don't use the time machine to get water.
*** I thought it was assumed that the time machine requires a lot of energy to use, and the limited amount of matter it can retrieve at a time wouldn't be enough to break even.
** While the story only involves the conflict between Hellywood and Zari Bars, it seems logical that there are countless other settlements all over the world, located at many different altitudes, depending on where the water is. One might wonder what happens at the end of the show to all of the settlements that were located below what would become [[spoiler:sea level]]. Oh those poor [[NoEndorHolocaust Ewoks]].
** The [[GoodGirlsAvoidAbortion abortion]] for [[spoiler: Sara]] may actually have been a non option seeing as the doctor who recommended it, and the only doctor we've seen in the series, was shot dead, and no other was mentioned.
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Fridge Horror


* FridgeHorror: The director specifically says he was inspired to write this anime by the Rwandan genocide and by extension, Africa and the ThirdWorld's particularly brutal dictators and civil wars. Of course, in real life, there weren't just the infamous [[UsefulNotes/IdiAmin Idi Amin]] or [[ThePhilippines Ferdinand Marcos]] making hell for their people; there were plenty other brutal strongmen who didn't stand out quite as much in Western media. In other words, especially considering the environmental hardships Earth is facing in NTHT, ''Hamdo probably isn't the only brutal, power-hungry strongman out there''.
** As far as Sara's parents know, their daughter has been [[AdultFear kidnapped and likely killed and dumped somewhere]]. And you thought her story that we saw was sad enough...
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* AcceptableTargets - Probably warlords.

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* AcceptableTargets - AcceptableTargets: Probably warlords.



* AngstWhatAngst - Played straight with Shu; averted with Sara.
* CompleteMonster - King Hamdo is a raging and unpredictable tyrant who uses {{child soldiers}} as cannon fodder. Hamdo evokes the smallest drop of sympathy because he is obviously insane and in great pain - and then he kills his cat in a temper tantrum and sexually assaults a little girl. His second-in-command warns him that one of his tactical moves will [[WeHaveReserves directly result in the bloody deaths of thousands of children]], and his response is, more or less, "So?"
* [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome Crowning Music Of Heartbreaking]] - As he proved on the Rurouni Kenshin OAV soundtracks, Taku Iwasaki's music WILL make you want to sob in the corner just by listening to it.

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* AngstWhatAngst - AngstWhatAngst: Played straight with Shu; averted with Sara.
* CompleteMonster - CompleteMonster: King Hamdo is a raging and unpredictable tyrant who uses {{child soldiers}} as cannon fodder. Hamdo evokes the smallest drop of sympathy because he is obviously insane and in great pain - and then he kills his cat in a temper tantrum and sexually assaults a little girl. His second-in-command warns him that one of his tactical moves will [[WeHaveReserves directly result in the bloody deaths of thousands of children]], and his response is, more or less, "So?"
* [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome Crowning Music Of Heartbreaking]] - Heartbreaking]]: As he proved on the Rurouni Kenshin OAV soundtracks, Taku Iwasaki's music WILL make you want to sob in the corner just by listening to it.



* DoNotDoThisCoolThing / TruffautWasRight - Averted. Like the aforementioned ''GraveOfTheFireflies'', this is one of the few (anti)-war shows that doesn't make war or the life of a soldier look like fun.
* EnsembleDarkhorse - Some fans actually complain that the story follows Shu instead of Nabuca.

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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing / TruffautWasRight - TruffautWasRight: Averted. Like the aforementioned ''GraveOfTheFireflies'', this is one of the few (anti)-war shows that doesn't make war or the life of a soldier look like fun.
* EnsembleDarkhorse - EnsembleDarkhorse: Some fans actually complain that the story follows Shu instead of Nabuca.



* FridgeHorror - The director specifically says he was inspired to write this anime by the Rwandan genocide and by extension, Africa and the ThirdWorld's particularly brutal dictators and civil wars. Of course, in real life, there weren't just the infamous [[UsefulNotes/IdiAmin Idi Amin]] or [[ThePhilippines Ferdinand Marcos]] making hell for their people; there were plenty other brutal strongmen who didn't stand out quite as much in Western media. In other words, especially considering the environmental hardships Earth is facing in NTHT, ''Hamdo probably isn't the only brutal, power-hungry strongman out there''.

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* FridgeHorror - FridgeHorror: The director specifically says he was inspired to write this anime by the Rwandan genocide and by extension, Africa and the ThirdWorld's particularly brutal dictators and civil wars. Of course, in real life, there weren't just the infamous [[UsefulNotes/IdiAmin Idi Amin]] or [[ThePhilippines Ferdinand Marcos]] making hell for their people; there were plenty other brutal strongmen who didn't stand out quite as much in Western media. In other words, especially considering the environmental hardships Earth is facing in NTHT, ''Hamdo probably isn't the only brutal, power-hungry strongman out there''.



* FridgeLogic - How are Sara and Shu able to talk to each other? It's highly doubtful that Sara's fluent in Japanese and Shu in English, and for that matter what language does everyone in Hellywood speak? How are Sara and Shu able to speak to them?

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* FridgeLogic - FridgeLogic: How are Sara and Shu able to talk to each other? It's highly doubtful that Sara's fluent in Japanese and Shu in English, and for that matter what language does everyone in Hellywood speak? How are Sara and Shu able to speak to them?
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Tear Jerker


* TearJerker - Most of the series, but especially the last two episodes.
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* DiabolusExNihilo: The sand monster in Episode 8. It makes for a good JumpScare and is [[DeTerminator quite hard to shake off]], but it doesn't affect the plot much and is never spoken of again.

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* DiabolusExNihilo: The sand monster in Episode 8. It makes for a good JumpScare and is [[DeTerminator quite hard to shake off]], but it doesn't affect the plot much and is never spoken of again. It might even have counted as a BigLippedAlligatorMoment if not for some of threatening animals already seen skulking around, as well as the general CrapsackWorld atmosphere.

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* DiabolusExNihilo: The sand monster in Episode 8. It makes for a good JumpScare and is [[DeTerminator quite hard to shake off]], but it doesn't affect the plot much and is never spoken of again.



* GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere: The sand monster in Episode 8. It makes for a good JumpScare and is [[DeTerminator quite hard to shake off]], but it doesn't affect the plot much and is never spoken of again.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The sand monster in Episode 8. It makes for a good JumpScare and is [[DeTerminator quite hard to shake off]], but it doesn't affect the plot much and is never spoken of again.



** The [[GoodGirlsAvoidAbortion abortion]] for [[spoiler: Sara]] may actually have been a non option seeing as the doctor who recommended it, and the only doctor we've seen in the series, was shot dead, and no other was mentioned.

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** The [[GoodGirlsAvoidAbortion abortion]] for [[spoiler: Sara]] may actually have been a non option seeing as the doctor who recommended it, and the only doctor we've seen in the series, was shot dead, and no other was mentioned. mentioned.
* GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere: The sand monster in Episode 8. It makes for a good JumpScare and is [[DeTerminator quite hard to shake off]], but it doesn't affect the plot much and is never spoken of again.
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The sand monster in Episode 8. It makes for a good JumpScare and is [[DeTerminator quite hard to shake off]], but it doesn't affect the plot much and is never spoken of again.
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing/TruffautWasRight - Averted. Like the aforementioned ''GraveOfTheFireflies'', this is one of the few (anti)-war shows that doesn't make war or the life of a soldier look like fun.

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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing/TruffautWasRight DoNotDoThisCoolThing / TruffautWasRight - Averted. Like the aforementioned ''GraveOfTheFireflies'', this is one of the few (anti)-war shows that doesn't make war or the life of a soldier look like fun.
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing - Averted. Like the aforementioned ''GraveOfTheFireflies'', this is one of the few (anti)-war shows that doesn't make war or the life of a soldier look like fun.

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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing DoNotDoThisCoolThing/TruffautWasRight - Averted. Like the aforementioned ''GraveOfTheFireflies'', this is one of the few (anti)-war shows that doesn't make war or the life of a soldier look like fun.
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing - Averted. Like the aforementioned ''GraveOfTheFireflies'', this is one of the few (anti)-war shows that doesn't glamorize war or the life of a soldier.

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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing - Averted. Like the aforementioned ''GraveOfTheFireflies'', this is one of the few (anti)-war shows that doesn't glamorize make war or the life of a soldier.soldier look like fun.
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing - Averted. Like the aforementioned ''GraveOfTheFireflies'', this is one of the few (anti)-war shows that doesn't glamorous war or the life of a soldier.

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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing - Averted. Like the aforementioned ''GraveOfTheFireflies'', this is one of the few (anti)-war shows that doesn't glamorous glamorize war or the life of a soldier.

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