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* DesignatedVillain: Being a giant, one would believe he was evil, and Odin, officially a hero, just happened to kill him for no apparent reason. He never did anything evil, actually just gave birth to people, whose ancestors would turn out AlwaysChaoticEvil, while getting nourished by a cow.


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* ValuesDissonance: Thjalfi's freedom was effectively given away as blood payment after his father (accidentally) slightly inconvenienced a God. It says a lot of the times that this was treated as entirely fair, and that the arrangement was depicted as working out happily.
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** Also, because in Norse Mythology YouCantFightFate ''at all'', Loki is fated to help bring about TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt and from birth and there is ''literally nothing'' he or anyone else could do to change that.

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* GenericDoomsdayVillain: Surtur. Probably the UrExample.

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* GenericDoomsdayVillain: Surtur. Probably the UrExample.*** Depends on which ones you're looking at; some Christianized stories snark at him rather a lot. Or literally beat him up: in one story he gets decked three times by a mortal woman. (And then pretends to be a female physician to get a chance to rape her.)


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** Also, Loki may have invented the net.
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* MisaimedFandom: Unfortunately, due to the [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi]] deification of all things blond and blue-eyed, a disproportionate number of the "fans" of Norse mythology you'll find these days are Wotanists, a neo-nazi white supremacist sect who wish to return the lighter-skinned "to their ancestral religion." [[DidNotDoTheResearch How these nutters would react to the fact that Norse mythology is heavily connected to other Proto-Indo-European religions]], with such concepts as a world tree and serpent being observed as far as India and Persia.

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* MisaimedFandom: Unfortunately, due to the [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi]] deification of all things blond and blue-eyed, a disproportionate number of the "fans" of Norse mythology you'll find these days are Wotanists, a neo-nazi white supremacist sect who wish to return the lighter-skinned "to their ancestral religion." [[DidNotDoTheResearch How these nutters would react to the fact that Norse mythology is heavily connected to other Proto-Indo-European religions]], religions, with such concepts as a world tree and serpent being observed as far as India and Persia.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Loki is a jotun, or troll. During the the age of the Internet, the term "{{troll}}" took on a whole new meaning: a person who sows chaos and discord (sometimes ForGreatJustice, sometimes ForTheLulz), which is Loki's raison d'être. But wait, it gets ''better:'' trolls are known for "flaming" others, and guess what color Loki's hair is? Here's a hint: one of his kennings is "Flame-Hair." Bow before your god, all ye Internet trolls.
** One of Thor's kennings is "Troll-Basher." What do administrators use to get rid of pesky trolls? The banhammer, of course!

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* HaveAGayOldTime / HilariousInHindsight: Loki is a jotun, or troll. During the the age of the Internet, the term "{{troll}}" took on a whole new meaning: a person who sows chaos and discord (sometimes ForGreatJustice, sometimes ForTheLulz), which is Loki's raison d'être. But wait, it gets ''better:'' trolls are known for "flaming" others, and guess what color Loki's hair is? Here's a hint: one of his kennings is "Flame-Hair." Bow before your god, all ye Internet trolls.
** One of Thor's kennings is "Troll-Basher." What do administrators use to get rid of pesky trolls? The banhammer, of course!In the myths, Thor defeated trolls with his hammer. Nowadays, admins defeat trolls with the banhammer.
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** You want proof? Look down this page and notice how many times Loki is mentioned.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Loki is a jotun, or in other words, a [[AllTrollsAreDifferent troll]]. Nowadays, the term "troll" has taken on [[InternetTroll another meaning]], which describes Loki just as well.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Loki is a jotun, or in other words, a [[AllTrollsAreDifferent troll]]. Nowadays, troll. During the the age of the Internet, the term "troll" has taken "{{troll}}" took on [[InternetTroll another meaning]], a whole new meaning: a person who sows chaos and discord (sometimes ForGreatJustice, sometimes ForTheLulz), which describes Loki just as well.is Loki's raison d'être. But wait, it gets ''better:'' trolls are known for "flaming" others, and guess what color Loki's hair is? Here's a hint: one of his kennings is "Flame-Hair." Bow before your god, all ye Internet trolls.
** One of Thor's kennings is "Troll-Basher." What do administrators use to get rid of pesky trolls? The banhammer, of course!
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* MemeticMutation: {{Jesus}} promised the end of all wicked people. Odin promised the end of all ice giants. [[YouFailLogicForever I don't see many ice giants around.]]

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* MemeticMutation: {{Jesus}} promised the end of all wicked people. Odin promised the end of all ice giants. [[YouFailLogicForever [[LogicalFallacies I don't see many ice giants around.]]
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* MemeticBadass: Thor
* MemeticMutation: {{Jesus}} promised the end of all wicked people. Odin promised the end of all ice giants. [[YouFailLogicForever I don't see many ice giants around.]]



* MemeticBadass: Thor
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* UnfortunateImplications: Helheim is ruled by a woman, and it's pretty much accepted that women end up there by default unless they actually die fighting in battle.
** ''Anyone'' who isn't a soldier/warrior who dies in battle and isn't enough of a dick to merit going to Niflheim goes to Hel.
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** [[LightIsNotGood Worse than that]]. The valkyries, [[SadlyMythtaken universally depicted]] nowadays as [[HotAmazon hot amazon babes]] on [[CoolHorse winged horses]] just there to lovingly lift up the spirits of the fallen and take them to Valhalla. Well, some sources describe them as far more than just beautiful {{UsefulNotes/Psychopomp}}s for the heroic dead. They helped ''make'' your heroes dead. A random arrow deflected in flight hits a chink in your armor. A broken lace on your boot makes you stumble and gives your enemy the opening to strike you down. [[GreyAndGrayMorality Etcetera]]. All the work of the Valkyries, invisibly flitting here and there on the battlefield to screw over the finest of warriors so that Odin would have the best of the best on his side come Ragnarok. It was how the Norse answered the question [[TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth "why do the good die young while jerk-asses live forever?"]] It was also why the original steeds of the valkyries weren't beautiful winged horses, they were [[BeautyEqualsGoodness dark and hoary wolves]].

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** [[LightIsNotGood Worse than that]]. The valkyries, [[SadlyMythtaken universally depicted]] nowadays as [[HotAmazon [[AmazonianBeauty hot amazon babes]] on [[CoolHorse winged horses]] just there to lovingly lift up the spirits of the fallen and take them to Valhalla. Well, some sources describe them as far more than just beautiful {{UsefulNotes/Psychopomp}}s for the heroic dead. They helped ''make'' your heroes dead. A random arrow deflected in flight hits a chink in your armor. A broken lace on your boot makes you stumble and gives your enemy the opening to strike you down. [[GreyAndGrayMorality Etcetera]]. All the work of the Valkyries, invisibly flitting here and there on the battlefield to screw over the finest of warriors so that Odin would have the best of the best on his side come Ragnarok. It was how the Norse answered the question [[TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth "why do the good die young while jerk-asses live forever?"]] It was also why the original steeds of the valkyries weren't beautiful winged horses, they were [[BeautyEqualsGoodness dark and hoary wolves]].
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** ''Anyone'' who isn't a soldier/warrior who dies in battle and isn't enough of a dick to merit going to Niflheim goes to Hel.

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* UnfortunateImplications: Hell is ruled by a woman, and it's pretty much accepted that women end up there by default unless they actually die fighting in battle.
** That's Helheim, not "Hell," and it's not a particularly bad place to be.

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* UnfortunateImplications: Hell Helheim is ruled by a woman, and it's pretty much accepted that women end up there by default unless they actually die fighting in battle.
** That's Helheim, not "Hell," and it's not a particularly bad place to be.
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* FridgeLogic: Couldn't they chop Loki's head in half without touching his neck?
** Apparently not - one version has Loki insisting that by his head, he meant his ''whole'' head, so they couldn't leave ''any'' of it behind or they'd have forfeited.
** Despite his selfish, dishonest, violent, morbid, gray-area behavior, in the more Christianized stories, Odin is portrayed as a benevolent god. And when his infamous cunning, wisdom, and habit of breaking oaths [[FridgeLogic raise questions]] as to why he's so buddy-buddy with Loki, Odin's made out to be a trusting old fool who only keeps Loki around because he swore a blood oath.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Hel is initially described with a body half-white, half-black even though modern interpretations make her half-living, half-dead.


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** Alongside Odin and Thor he was the preferred of the Norse gods.


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* MemeticBadass: Thor


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* NightmareFuel: Hel
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* BrokenBase: Over Loki, over whether he's a murderous JerkAss to be avoided or a misunderstood and underappreciated guy who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo does what has to be done]] for the greater good, and how big of a role (if any) he actually played in the death of Baldur.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Loki. What's not to love about a genderqueer trickster who gets knocked up by a ''horse'' of all things, then eventually gets himself imprisoned and tortured indefinitely for essentially criticizing a corrupt and decadent government?



* HilariousInHindsight: Loki is a jotun, or in other words, a [[AllTrollsAreDifferent troll]]. Nowadays, the term "troll" has taken on [[InternetTroll another meaning]], which fits Loki perfectly.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Loki is a jotun, or in other words, a [[AllTrollsAreDifferent troll]]. Nowadays, the term "troll" has taken on [[InternetTroll another meaning]], which fits describes Loki perfectly.just as well.
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* NeverLiveItDown: There's something about a guy getting impregnated by a ''horse'' that people just don't forget.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Loki is a jotun, or in other words, a [[AllTrollsAreDifferent troll]]. Nowadays, the term "troll" has taken on [[InternetTroll another meaning]], which fits Loki perfectly.


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** That's Helheim, not "Hell," and it's not a particularly bad place to be.
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* JerkassWoobie: Loki



** He might also have been broken down after seeing the giants, who he was related to, being exterminated.
** Hell, by the time Ragnarok rolls around it's hard not to be on his side. After all, it's due to the other gods punishing him for things that weren't really that bad/he shared the blame for with others/he had nothing to do with at all that his children were taken away from him and tortured, not to mention ending up in a cave ''with a snake dripping venom into his eyeballs '''tied up with the guts of his own son.''''' And as if that wasn't horrible enough, they made his completely innocent and harmless wife sit there trying to catch the venom with a cup.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Hell is ruled by a woman, and it's pretty much accepted that women end up there by default.

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* UnfortunateImplications: Hell is ruled by a woman, and it's pretty much accepted that women end up there by default.default unless they actually die fighting in battle.
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** He might also have been broken down after seeing the giants, who he was related to, being exterminted.

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** He might also have been broken down after seeing the giants, who he was related to, being exterminted.exterminated.
** Hell, by the time Ragnarok rolls around it's hard not to be on his side. After all, it's due to the other gods punishing him for things that weren't really that bad/he shared the blame for with others/he had nothing to do with at all that his children were taken away from him and tortured, not to mention ending up in a cave ''with a snake dripping venom into his eyeballs '''tied up with the guts of his own son.''''' And as if that wasn't horrible enough, they made his completely innocent and harmless wife sit there trying to catch the venom with a cup.
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** He might also have been broken down after seeing the giants, who he was related to, being exterminted.
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Vithar avenges Odin by jumping into Fenrir's mouth and ''ripping its jaws apart with his barehands''.
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* GenericDoomsdayVillain: Surtur. Probably the UrExample.
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* CharacterDerailment: In many versions of the stories Loki randomly goes from "sneaky trickster and friend of Thor" to "bastard who murders Baldur just for kicks, and then signs on with the giants to bring about the end of the world." This is due in large part to [[HijackedByJesus Christian rewrites]], which saw a Trickster god of fire and made him analogous to Satan.
** He never did mean to kill Balder, it was meant to be a hilarious joke that backfired catastrophically.
** BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil: He was punished ''severely'' for his role in Balder's death. Not coincidentally, his escape from his imprisonment is among the first events of Ragnarok.
** In some modern retellings of the myths, the killing of Balder is treated as Loki's MoralEventHorizon and usually signifies the beginning of the end. From thereon, the tone gets [[CerebusSyndrome noticeably darker]] and everything moves towards Ragnarok.
** Further, in some tellings he began to grow noticeably more evil after a group of Dwarves sewed his mouth shut in return for one of his tricks and the gods, including his traveling-companion Thor and his HeterosexualLifePartner Odin ''laughed at it.''
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Nope. In Poetic Edda, the one who doesn\'t weep for baldr is a giantess named Þökk... who is then implied to be Loki in disguise.


** DidNotDoTheResearch and HijackedByJesus, as in the actual saga, it isn't Loki that refuses to weep for Baldur, but an unnamed old woman. It also doesn't fit with the other stories involving Loki where he has a very keen interest in getting out of trouble once he gets himself into it.

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