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* SpecialEffectsFailure: The animatronics are better then the attempt in the third movie, but JimHenson's costumes they ain't. Very noticeable during the PowerRangersInSpace crossover

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* SpecialEffectsFailure: The animatronics are better then the attempt in the third movie, but JimHenson's costumes they ain't. Very noticeable during the PowerRangersInSpace ''Series/PowerRangersInSpace'' crossover

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Rephrasing some bits so that things aren\'t so harsh to those who disagree.


* BaseBreaker: Venus. She is an EnsembleDarkhorse to some fans, but TheScrappy to others.



* TheScrappy: Venus has almost no fans even among those who know about her, because she's seen as a MarySue with her magic. She got such a bad reception that we will never see any female turtles. Ever. In fact the idea of any female mutants ''at all'' has not been touched on since then. Thus the turtles will probably never canonically hook up. Thanks a ''lot,'' Venus.
** Some fans consider her a CreatorsPet on top of this, due to the ease with which she permanently declawed Shredder and the Foot Clan, something that the original four had tried for ''years'' to do and never succeeded in.
** As mentioned elsewhere, her [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] status was so bad that even Peter Laird [[BerserkButton hates her]].
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** As mentioned elsewhere, her [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] status was so bad that even Peter Laird [[BerserkButton hates her]].
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* MemeticMutation: Warning people [[BerserkButton not to mention this to Peter Laird]] seems to be a minor meme.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Venus, in a way. The idea of a female turtle is an interesting concept and, if done right, she could've been a decent character on her own and possibly a CanonImmigrant. Instead, she was written a CanonSue as mentioned above as well as reaching BlackHoleSue-levels to the point where one episode (Ironically-titled "Who Needs Her") outright stated that the Turtles needed her more than she needed them. Basically PositiveDiscrimination gone horribly wrong.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Venus, in a way. The idea of a female turtle is an interesting concept and, if done right, she could've been a decent character on her own and possibly a CanonImmigrant. Instead, she was written a CanonSue as mentioned above as well as reaching BlackHoleSue-levels to the point where one episode (Ironically-titled "Who Needs Her") outright stated that the Turtles needed her more than she needed them. Not to mention that the reason why the four turtles were NotBloodSiblings in this series was for the sake of a possible romance with her. Basically PositiveDiscrimination gone horribly wrong.
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* CreatorsPet: Venus.

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* CreatorsPet: Venus. [[BerserkButton Unless that creator's name is Peter Laird]].

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* {{Anvilicious}}: A couple of episodes offhandedly talked about the dangers of drugs and protecting endangered animals(especially turtles).



* SoBadItsGood: As terrible as this incarnation of TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles is, it still has its share of fans.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Venus, in a way. The idea of a female turtle is an interesting concept and, if done right, she could've been a decent character on her own and possibly a CanonImmigrant. Instead, she was written a CanonSue as mentioned above as well as reaching BlackHoleSue-levels to the point where one episode (Ironically-titled "Who Needs Her") outright stated that the Turtles needed her more than she needed them. Basically PositiveDiscrimination gone horribly wrong.



* {{Anvilicious}}: A couple of episodes offhandedly talked about the dangers of drugs and protecting endangered animals(especially turtles).
* SoBadItsGood: As terrible as this incarnation of TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles is, it still has its share of fans.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Venus, in a way. The idea of a female turtle is an interesting concept and, if done right, she could've been a decent character on her own and possibly a CanonImmigrant. Instead, she was written a CanonSue as mentioned above as well as reaching BlackHoleSue-levels to the point where one episode (Ironically-titled "Who Needs Her") outright stated that the Turtles needed her more than she needed them. Basically PositiveDiscrimination gone horribly wrong.
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* {{Anvilicious}}: A couple of episodes offhandedly talked about the dangers of drugs and protecting endangered animals(especially turtles).
* SoBadItsGood: As terrible as this incarnation of TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles is, it still has its share of fans.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Venus, in a way. The idea of a female turtle is an interesting concept and, if done right, she could've been a decent character on her own and possibly a CanonImmigrant. Instead, she was written a CanonSue as mentioned above as well as reaching BlackHoleSue-levels to the point where one episode (Ironically-titled "Who Needs Her") outright stated that the Turtles needed her more than she needed them. Basically PositiveDiscrimination gone horribly wrong.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Venus, in a way. The idea of a female turtle is an interesting concept and, if done right, she could've been a decent character on her own and possibly a CanonImmigrant. Instead, she was written a CanonSue as mentioned above as well as reaching BlackHoleSue-levels to the point where one episode outright stated that the Turtles needed her more than she needed them. Basically PositiveDiscrimination gone horribly wrong.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Venus, in a way. The idea of a female turtle is an interesting concept and, if done right, she could've been a decent character on her own and possibly a CanonImmigrant. Instead, she was written a CanonSue as mentioned above as well as reaching BlackHoleSue-levels to the point where one episode (Ironically-titled "Who Needs Her") outright stated that the Turtles needed her more than she needed them. Basically PositiveDiscrimination gone horribly wrong.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Venus, in a way. The idea of a female turtle is an interesting concept and, if done right, she could've been a decent character on her own and possibly a CanonImmigrant. Instead, she was written a CanonSue as mentioned above as well as reaching BlackHoleSue-levels to the point where one episode outright stated that the Turtles needed her more than she needed them. Basically PositiveDiscrimination gone horribly wrong.
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No need to mention Replacemeant Scrappy Twice


** ReplacementScrappy: She's viewed as this as well because April never appeared in the series.

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* MarySue: Venus could have been any animal. Any animal at all. But she was a ''turtle'', just to blatantly open up the ''possibility'' of a relationship with another turtle (even though they probably would have gone for any other species mutant). Leonardo and Raphael would probably have had a disagreement over her if the series had continued. And she kicked the Shredder's psyche in episode 1. She has a very feminine shape, despite not being a mammal. And she can use magic to kick the butt of everything.

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* MarySue: Venus could have been any animal. Any animal at all. But she was a ''turtle'', just to blatantly open up the ''possibility'' of a relationship with another turtle (even though they probably would have gone for any other species mutant). Leonardo and Raphael would probably have had a disagreement over her if the series had continued. And she kicked the Shredder's psyche in episode 1. She has a very feminine shape, despite not being a mammal. And she can use magic to kick the butt of everything.CreatorsPet: Venus.


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* MarySue: Venus could have been any animal. Any animal at all. But she was a ''turtle'', just to blatantly open up the ''possibility'' of a relationship with another turtle (even though they probably would have gone for any other species mutant). Leonardo and Raphael would probably have had a disagreement over her if the series had continued. And she kicked the Shredder's psyche in episode 1. She has a very feminine shape, despite not being a mammal. And she can use magic to kick the butt of everything.
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* SoBadItsGood: As terrible as this incarnation of TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles is, it still has its share of fans.
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* {{Anvilicious}}: A couple of episodes offhandedly talked about the dangers of drugs and protecting endangered animals(especially turtles).
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** Pretty much any time Venus goes into BluntMetaphorsTrauma mode.
--->'''Venus:''' This will be easy as cake!
--->'''Michelangelo:''' No, pie!
--->'''Venus:''' It will be a piece of pie!
--->'''Donatello:''' No! Cake!
--->'''Venus:''' Cake or pie? Make up your mind!
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** Venus bugging Donatello by using itching powder on him and refusing to undo its effects.

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** Venus bugging Donatello by using itching powder on him and refusing to undo its effects. [[DisproportionateRetribution And because he refused to turn down the noise caused by his inventions]].
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** Venus bugging Donatello by using itching powder on him and refusing to undo its effects.
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The things I deleted were natter in my view.


** That's not fair, way back in 1986 they tried to add a female turtle but Eastman and Laird [[ExecutiveVeto vetoed]] this and the character was changed into Mona Lisa from "Raphael Meets His Match." They ''still'' weren't satisfied with this and the character never appeared or was even mentioned ever again despite her episode having a SequelHook. The fact that they vehemently try to deny and squash any and all ideas of a female turtle or even a female mutant who can stand equal to them [[UnfortunateImplications doesn't reflect well]] on the franchise's creators. Especially since their main beef with characters like Venus and Mona has little to do with the fact that they may be poorly written and is [[GirlsHaveCooties simply because they're girls.]]
**** There is a fanfic somewhere written from her point of view, describing [[BodyHorror various painful surgeries]] she had to endure to look more 'feminine'(which would be masculine for turtles), [[IllGirl which made her get sick a lot]], her romance off the set with Raphael, the later brainwashing of the turtles to forget her, and her abuse at the hands of the 'Great One', whom she later starts haunting. It's HighOctaneNightmareFuel.
*** [[http://www.comicvine.com/ninjara/29-51425/ Meanwhile at Archie Comics]]
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* CanonSue: Venus could have been any animal. Any animal at all. But she was a ''turtle'', just to blatantly open up the ''possibility'' of a relationship with another turtle (even though they probably would have gone for any other species mutant). Leonardo and Raphael would probably have had a disagreement over her if the series had continued. And she kicked the Shredder's psyche in episode 1. She has a very feminine shape, despite not being a mammal. And she can use magic to kick the butt of everything.

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* CanonSue: MarySue: Venus could have been any animal. Any animal at all. But she was a ''turtle'', just to blatantly open up the ''possibility'' of a relationship with another turtle (even though they probably would have gone for any other species mutant). Leonardo and Raphael would probably have had a disagreement over her if the series had continued. And she kicked the Shredder's psyche in episode 1. She has a very feminine shape, despite not being a mammal. And she can use magic to kick the butt of everything.



* TheScrappy: Venus has almost no fans even among those who know about her. She got such a bad reception that we will never see any female turtles. Ever. In fact the idea of any female mutants ''at all'' has not been touched on since then. Thus the turtles will probably never canonically hook up. Thanks a ''lot,'' Venus.

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* TheScrappy: Venus has almost no fans even among those who know about her.her, because she's seen as a MarySue with her magic. She got such a bad reception that we will never see any female turtles. Ever. In fact the idea of any female mutants ''at all'' has not been touched on since then. Thus the turtles will probably never canonically hook up. Thanks a ''lot,'' Venus.



* VillainDecay: Dragon Lord and Rank. [[BigBad Dragon Lord]] mostly because in the 5 episode pilot he almost kills Splinter and it takes all the turtles the take him down. Later on he’s defeated by Itching powder…

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* VillainDecay: Dragon Lord and Rank. [[BigBad Dragon Lord]] mostly because in the 5 episode pilot FiveEpisodePilot he almost kills Splinter and it takes all the turtles the take him down. Later on he’s defeated by Itching itching powder…
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* ReplacementScrappy: Venus for April, since the latter never appeared.
** The Dragonlord to Shredder.
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**** There is a fanfic somewhere written from her point of view, describing [[BodyHorror various painful surgeries]] she had to endure to look more 'feminine'(which would be masculine for turtles), [[IllGirl which made her get sick a lot]], her romance off the set with Raphael, the later brainwashing of the turtles to forget her, and her abuse at the hands of the 'Great One', whom she later starts haunting. It's {{NightmareFuelUnleaded}}.

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**** There is a fanfic somewhere written from her point of view, describing [[BodyHorror various painful surgeries]] she had to endure to look more 'feminine'(which would be masculine for turtles), [[IllGirl which made her get sick a lot]], her romance off the set with Raphael, the later brainwashing of the turtles to forget her, and her abuse at the hands of the 'Great One', whom she later starts haunting. It's {{NightmareFuelUnleaded}}.HighOctaneNightmareFuel.
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*** [[http://www.comicvine.com/ninjara/29-51425/ Meanwhile at Archie Comics]]
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** Some fans consider her TheWesley on top of this, due to the ease with which she permanently declawed Shredder and the Foot Clan, something that the original four had tried for ''years'' to do and never succeeded in.

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** Some fans consider her TheWesley a CreatorsPet on top of this, due to the ease with which she permanently declawed Shredder and the Foot Clan, something that the original four had tried for ''years'' to do and never succeeded in.
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* CanonSue: Venus could have been any animal. Any animal at all. But she was a ''turtle'', just to blatantly open up the ''possibility'' of a relationship with another turtle (even though they probably would have gone for any other species mutant). Leonardo and Raphael would probably have had a disagreement over her if the series had continued. And she kicked the Shredder's psyche in episode 1. She has a very feminine shape. And she can use magic.

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* CanonSue: Venus could have been any animal. Any animal at all. But she was a ''turtle'', just to blatantly open up the ''possibility'' of a relationship with another turtle (even though they probably would have gone for any other species mutant). Leonardo and Raphael would probably have had a disagreement over her if the series had continued. And she kicked the Shredder's psyche in episode 1. She has a very feminine shape. shape, despite not being a mammal. And she can use magic.magic to kick the butt of everything.
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* EarWorm: As brief as it is, the theme song is pretty catchy.

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* CanonSue: Venus could have been any animal. Any animal at all. But she was a ''turtle'', just to blatantly open up the ''possibility'' of a relationship with another turtle (even though they probably would have gone for any other species mutant). Leonardo and Raphael would probably have had a disagreement over her if the series had continued. And she kicked the Shredder's psyche in episode 1. She has a very feminine shape. And she can use magic.



* TheScrappy: Venus. It's because of her that TMNT has never seen not merely no female turtles, but no female mutants that lasted more than one episode, because writers were so scared of making another Venus. Thanks a ''lot,'' Venus. We blame YOU.
*** That's not fair, way back in 1986 they tried to add a female turtle but Eastman and Laird [[ExecutiveVeto vetoed]] this and the character was changed into Mona Lisa from "Raphael Meets His Match." They ''still'' weren't satisfied with this and the character never appeared or was even mentioned ever again despite her episode having a SequelHook. The fact that they vehemently try to deny and squash any and all ideas of a female turtle or even a female mutant who can stand equal to them [[UnfortunateImplications doesn't reflect well]] on the franchise's creators. Especially since their main beef with characters like Venus and Mona has little to do with the fact that they may be poorly written and is [[GirlsHaveCooties simply because they're girls.]]

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* TheScrappy: Venus. It's because of her Venus has almost no fans even among those who know about her. She got such a bad reception that TMNT has we will never seen not merely no see any female turtles, but no turtles. Ever. In fact the idea of any female mutants that lasted more than one episode, because writers were so scared of making another Venus. ''at all'' has not been touched on since then. Thus the turtles will probably never canonically hook up. Thanks a ''lot,'' Venus. We blame YOU.
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That's not fair, way back in 1986 they tried to add a female turtle but Eastman and Laird [[ExecutiveVeto vetoed]] this and the character was changed into Mona Lisa from "Raphael Meets His Match." They ''still'' weren't satisfied with this and the character never appeared or was even mentioned ever again despite her episode having a SequelHook. The fact that they vehemently try to deny and squash any and all ideas of a female turtle or even a female mutant who can stand equal to them [[UnfortunateImplications doesn't reflect well]] on the franchise's creators. Especially since their main beef with characters like Venus and Mona has little to do with the fact that they may be poorly written and is [[GirlsHaveCooties simply because they're girls.]]



* VillainDecay: Dragon Lord and Rank. [[BigBad Dragon Lord]] mostly because in the 5 episode pilot he almost kills Splinter and it takes all the turtles the take him down. Later on he’s defeated by Itching powder…

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* VillainDecay: Dragon Lord and Rank. [[BigBad Dragon Lord]] mostly because in the 5 episode pilot he almost kills Splinter and it takes all the turtles the take him down. Later on he’s defeated by Itching powder…powder…
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* SpecialEffectsFailure: The animatronics are better then the attempt in the third movie, but JimHenson's costumes they ain't. Very noticeable during the PowerRangersInSpace crossover
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**** There is a fanfic somewhere written from her point of view, describing [[BodyHorror various painful surgeries]] she had to endure to look more 'feminine'(which would be masculine for turtles), [[IllGirl which made her get sick a lot]], her romance off the set with Raphael, the later brainwashing of the turtles to forget her, and her abuse at the hands of the 'Great One', whom she later starts haunting. It's {{NightmareFuelUnleaded}}.
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: Going Ape. All of it. Raph is forced to [[EnemyMime team up]] with Bonesteel (played by the ever great Scott McNeil) to survive against the Rank, and an escaped [[Everything'sBetterWithMonkeys Gorilla]]. HilarityEnsues. With the added Bonus of [[TheScrappy Venus]] being absent from the episode.

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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: Going Ape. All of it. Raph is forced to [[EnemyMime team up]] with Bonesteel (played by the ever great Scott McNeil) ScottMcNeil) to survive against the Rank, and an escaped [[Everything'sBetterWithMonkeys [[EverythingsBetterWithMonkeys Gorilla]]. HilarityEnsues. With the added Bonus of [[TheScrappy Venus]] being absent from the episode.
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: Going Ape. All of it. Raph is forced to [[EnemyMime team up]] with Bonesteel (played by the ever great Scott McNeil) to survive against the Rank, and an escaped [[Everything'sBetterWithMonkeys Gorilla]]. HilarityEnsues. With the added Bonus of [[TheScrappy Venus]] being absent from the episode.
* HamAndCheese: ScottMcNeil as Bonesteel.
* HoYay: Leo and Raph still bicker and fight like they used to. Only now they aren't related because someone thought it would be a good idea for possible romance with Venus... Ooops.



** Some fans consider her TheWesley on top of this, due to the ease with which she permanently declawed Shredder and the Foot Clan, something that the original four had tried for ''years'' to do and never succeeded in.

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** Some fans consider her TheWesley on top of this, due to the ease with which she permanently declawed Shredder and the Foot Clan, something that the original four had tried for ''years'' to do and never succeeded in.in.
** ReplacementScrappy: She's viewed as this as well because April never appeared in the series.
* VillainDecay: Dragon Lord and Rank. [[BigBad Dragon Lord]] mostly because in the 5 episode pilot he almost kills Splinter and it takes all the turtles the take him down. Later on he’s defeated by Itching powder…
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*** That's not fair, way back in 1986 they tried to add a female turtle but Eastman and Laird [[ExecutiveVeto vetoed]] this and the character was changed into Mona Lisa from "Raphael Meets His Match." They ''still'' weren't satisfied with this and the character never appeared or was even mentioned ever again despite her episode having a SequelHook. The fact that they vehemently try to deny and squash any and all ideas of a female turtle or even a female mutant who can stand equal to them [[UnfortunateImplications doesn't reflect well]] on the franchise's creators. Especially since their main beef with characters like Venus and Mona has little to do with the fact that they may be poorly written and is [[GirlsHaveCooties simply because they're girls.]]

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