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** At one point Char proclaims that he's never betrayed anyone in his life. Besides the bold-faced BlatantLies at work that made fans giggle, many years later [[Manga/MobileSuitGundamTheOrigin we'd get a particular prequel and rewrite work]] that all but defines him as a [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder pathological backstabber]] incarnate.

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** At one point Char proclaims that he's never betrayed anyone in his life. Besides the bold-faced bald-faced BlatantLies at work that made fans giggle, many years later [[Manga/MobileSuitGundamTheOrigin we'd get a particular prequel and rewrite work]] that all but defines him as a [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder pathological backstabber]] incarnate.

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** Quattro himself is a major source of this. Just how real was Quattro? Some view him as Char's [[BitchInSheepsClothing Sheep's Clothing]] and only a mask that he put on to try and make himself look better. Some view him as Char's attempt to start over either as a way to [[KarmaHoudini escape his past]] or [[TheAtoner atone for it]]. Others view Quattro as a mask that Char [[BecomingTheMask tried his hardest to become]] and that he wanted to be a better person but circumstance and his own inability to empathize held him back. While another group views it as a TookALevelInKindness before he TookALevelInJerkass again.

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** Quattro himself specifically is a major source of this. Just how real was Quattro? Some view him as Char's [[BitchInSheepsClothing Sheep's Clothing]] and only a mask that he put on to try and make himself look better. Some view him as Char's attempt to start over either as a way to [[KarmaHoudini escape his past]] or [[TheAtoner atone for it]]. Others view Quattro as a mask that Char [[BecomingTheMask tried his hardest to become]] and that he wanted to be a better person but circumstance and his own inability to empathize held him back. While another group views it as a TookALevelInKindness before he TookALevelInJerkass again.



*** Oddly enough, Jerid was [[spoiler: [[http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%83%AA%E3%83%89%E3%83%BB%E3%83%A1%E3%82%B5 originally supposed to die in episode 30]]]], which would explain why [[spoiler: he appears less frequently in the latter half of ''Zeta'']].
** Reccoa: [[spoiler: Did she [[FaceHeelTurn go to the Titans]] because of Scirocco pulling some kind of Newtype power on her? (Scirocco demonstrates in the finale that he ''can'' MindRape people.) Or is she really a [[BloodKnight "combat junkie"]] who felt spurned by not getting more combat missions, and went to the Titans to handle her addiction instead? (She ''did'' admit to Kamille the "combat junkie" bit)]] Or was that bit of both?

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*** Oddly enough, Jerid was [[spoiler: [[http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%83%AA%E3%83%89%E3%83%BB%E3%83%A1%E3%82%B5 originally supposed to die in episode Episode 30]]]], which would explain why [[spoiler: he appears less frequently in the latter half of ''Zeta'']].
** Reccoa: [[spoiler: Did she [[FaceHeelTurn go to the Titans]] because of Scirocco pulling some kind of Newtype power on her? (Scirocco demonstrates in the finale that he ''can'' MindRape people.) Or is she really a [[BloodKnight "combat junkie"]] "[[BloodKnight combat junkie]]" who felt spurned by not getting more combat missions, and went to the Titans to handle her addiction instead? (She ''did'' admit to Kamille the "combat junkie" bit)]] Or was that bit of both?



** Even Jamitov Hymem of all people gets some of this, was he a powerhungry Earth-Supremist who wishes to hinder human evolution into newtypes and kill and oppress all Spacenoids, or a visionary who wants to overthrow the corrupt Federation elite and move the population to space on his own terms, or both?
*** Supplementary materials says it's the latter and that he purposely filled the Titans with abusive powerhungry assholes so that their actions would eventually cause war. Doesn't really forgive what he did though.
** And then there's the (somewhat) joking interpretation of Haman where the reason she's so angry at Char is because he never slept with her in the time they were together.
* {{Anvilicious}}: Can be seen this way, particularly about how Newtypes are the future, and how our 'souls are bound by gravity' and that we need to move into space to both evolve ourselves as well as give the exhausted Earth some breathing room. It's just the show ''really'' shoves it in your face.

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** Even Jamitov Hymem Hymem, of all people people, gets some of this, was he a powerhungry Earth-Supremist power hungry Earth-Supremacist who wishes to hinder human evolution into newtypes and kill and oppress all Spacenoids, or a visionary who wants to overthrow the corrupt Federation elite and move the population to space on his own terms, or both?
*** Supplementary materials says it's the latter and that he purposely filled the Titans with abusive powerhungry power hungry assholes so that their actions would eventually cause war. Doesn't really forgive what he did though.
** And then there's the (somewhat) joking interpretation of Haman Haman, where the reason she's so angry at Char is because he never slept with her in the time they were together.
* {{Anvilicious}}: Can be seen this way, particularly about how Newtypes are the future, and how our 'souls "souls are bound by gravity' gravity" and that we need to move into space to both evolve ourselves as well as give the exhausted Earth some breathing room. It's just the show ''really'' shoves it in your face.



** In this series and in ''ZZ'', Haman receives this treatment a lot. It helps that in ''Zeta'' her faction is ALighterShadeOfGrey and it's not until the sequel does she have her real moments of villainy. EvilIsSexy and she has just enough sympathetic moments for the audience to latch onto her.
** Char/Quattro is an interesting case because for most of ''Zeta'' he's much more heroic than his other depictions; his positive qualities are highlighted, he receives a number of PetTheDog moments, and his relationship with Kamille humanizes him. However, once ''Char's Counterattack'' comes along he plunges into his most heinous characterization and retroactively much of his Quattro depiction ends up being a prolonged example of BaitTheDog. Fans who prefer a sympathetic Char latch onto his depiction here and this translated into some cases of AdaptationalHeroism for him in the video games that walk back his later characterization of a JerkWithAHeartOfJerk NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist. It's quite telling that ''Zeta'' would ultimately spawn the most sympathetic version of the CharClone with certain future shows borrowing from the Quattro persona rather than the classic one.

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** In this series and in ''ZZ'', Haman receives this treatment a lot. It helps that in ''Zeta'' her faction is ALighterShadeOfGrey and it's not until the sequel does she have her real moments of villainy. EvilIsSexy and she has just enough sympathetic moments for the audience to latch onto her.
** Char/Quattro is an interesting case because for most of ''Zeta'' he's much more heroic than his other depictions; his positive qualities are highlighted, he receives a number of PetTheDog moments, and his relationship with Kamille humanizes him. However, once ''Char's Counterattack'' comes along he plunges into his most heinous characterization and retroactively and, retroactively, much of his Quattro depiction ends up being a prolonged example of BaitTheDog. Fans who prefer a sympathetic Char latch onto his depiction here and this translated into some cases of AdaptationalHeroism for him in the video games that walk back his later characterization of a JerkWithAHeartOfJerk NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist. It's quite telling that ''Zeta'' would ultimately spawn the most sympathetic version of the CharClone with certain future shows borrowing from the Quattro persona rather than the classic one.



** Apolly, to an extent. He had by far the most character of the minor cast and [[spoiler: he almost made it to the end despite being a Mook Rick Dias pilot, only dying because he was protecting Fa.]] Almost everyone who watched the show likes him, but it really didn't come apparent until him and the other minor Z Gundam pilots were removed in the ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' games to make room for the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ Gundam ZZ]] pilots. Thankfully, he and Roberto help represent Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam in SRW Z and ''[[VideoGame/SuperRobotWars64 SRW 64]]'' as well.
** Also Emma and Henken are still extremely popular characters in the fandom. It might have something to with the fact that the two are likable, (mostly) rational adults that don't annoy the cast and watchers, [[OnlySaneMan and are overall healthy mentally and emotionally]]. Also fans found the fact that [[GentleGiant Henken]] having a crush on [[ActionGirl Emma]] [[HugeGuyTinyGirl was]] [[{{Squee}} adorable]].
** Haman Khan for being seen as awesome, piloting a cool suit, sexy, her bitchiness, being a good pilot or all of the above. She's especially popular on Website/FourChan's mecha board where she's hailed as the Queen of /m/.
** Also Four has her fans for her cute appearance and tragic story considering she gets saved and joins the heroes in many SRW games. She even won Animage's Anime Grand Prix Award in 1985 in the category of favorite female anime character of the year and there's a novel that tells her origin story.

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** Apolly, to an extent. He had by far the most character of the minor cast and [[spoiler: he almost made it to the end despite being a Mook {{Mook}} Rick Dias pilot, only dying because he was protecting Fa.]] Almost everyone who watched the show likes him, but it really didn't come apparent until him and the other minor Z Gundam ''Z Gundam'' pilots were removed in the ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' games to make room for the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ Gundam ZZ]] ZZ]]'' pilots. Thankfully, he and Roberto help represent Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam ''Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam'' in SRW Z ''SRW Z'' and ''[[VideoGame/SuperRobotWars64 SRW 64]]'' as well.
** Also Emma and Henken are still extremely popular characters in the fandom. It might have something to with the fact that the two are likable, (mostly) rational adults that don't annoy the cast and watchers, and [[OnlySaneMan and are overall healthy mentally and emotionally]]. Also fans found the fact that [[GentleGiant Henken]] having a crush on [[ActionGirl Emma]] [[HugeGuyTinyGirl was]] [[{{Squee}} adorable]].
** Haman Khan for being seen as awesome, piloting a cool suit, sexy, her bitchiness, being a good pilot pilot, or all of the above. She's especially popular on Website/FourChan's mecha board where she's hailed as the Queen of /m/.
** Also Four has her fans for her cute appearance and tragic story story, considering she gets saved and joins the heroes in many SRW ''SRW'' games. She even won Animage's Anime Grand Prix Award in 1985 in the category of favorite female anime character of the year and there's a novel that tells her origin story.



* FanonDiscontinuity: The movies are stated to be an AlternateContinuity by WordOfGod, but that doesn't stop some people from treating them as the "true" outcome for the sake of getting rid of [[ContestedSequel ZZ]].

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* FanonDiscontinuity: The movies are stated to be an AlternateContinuity by WordOfGod, but that doesn't stop some people from treating them as the "true" outcome for the sake of getting rid of [[ContestedSequel ZZ]].''[[ContestedSequel ZZ]]''.



* FranchiseOriginalSin: While many bemoan the RealityWarping shenanigans from ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamUnicorn Unicorn]]'' and ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamNarrative Narrative]]'', it was ''Zeta Gundam'' that introduced the idea that newtype powers were more than simple telepathy. This took the form of things such as energy barriers, powering up the machines, disabling of enemy mobile suits and even [[spoiler:using the spirits of the dead to help take out an enemy]]. These would then see further escalation in ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ ZZ]]'' and [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Char's Counterattack]]''.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: While many bemoan the RealityWarping shenanigans from ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamUnicorn Unicorn]]'' and ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamNarrative Narrative]]'', it was ''Zeta Gundam'' that introduced the idea that newtype Newtype powers were more than simple telepathy. This took the form of things such as energy barriers, powering up the machines, disabling of enemy mobile suits suits, and even [[spoiler:using the spirits of the dead to help take out an enemy]]. These would then see further escalation in ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ ZZ]]'' and [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Char's Counterattack]]''.



** Knowing what will happen in Char's Counterattack, several of Quattro's interactions in the early series hit this. When discussing the gassed colony Char brings up the need for people to leave Earth and migrate into space as part of the protest, which is a major part of his schemes in the movie. Especially when Quattro discusses the [[AMillionIsAStatistic mentality]] behind it; he disparages it but ultimately he would apply a similar mentality.

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** Knowing what will happen in Char's Counterattack, ''Char's Counterattack'', several of Quattro's interactions in the early series hit this. When discussing the gassed colony colony, Char brings up the need for people to leave Earth and migrate into space as part of the protest, which is a major part of his schemes in the movie. Especially when Quattro discusses the [[AMillionIsAStatistic mentality]] behind it; he disparages it but ultimately he would apply a similar mentality.



** Yazan Gable absolutely revels in his cruelty. Where he goes, major character death follows and he launched a FountainOfExpies for future Gundam shows.

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** Yazan Gable absolutely revels in his cruelty. Where he goes, major character death follows follows, and he launched a FountainOfExpies for future Gundam shows.



** Dissappear from this world and go where the X is!

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** Dissappear Disappear from this world and go where the X is!



*** After Episode 50, it becomes [[BlackComedy KAMILLE IS A VEGETABLE'S NAME!]]

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*** After Episode 50, it becomes [[BlackComedy [[spoiler:[[BlackComedy KAMILLE IS A VEGETABLE'S NAME!]]NAME!]]]



*** His face upon getting impaled is also a very memorable visual meme in Japan.
*** Really, even his name is a meme: people often deliberately misspell his name as "Papsmear Circus", for example.

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*** His face upon [[spoiler: getting impaled impaled]] is also a very memorable visual meme in Japan.
*** Really, even his name is a meme: people often deliberately misspell his name as "Papsmear Circus", Circus," for example.



** Violence is no answer! [[note]]Uttered by Kamille when he is being physically reprimanded by Wong Lee. The fact that it's fucking [[HairTriggerTemper Kamille]] [[TalkToTheFist of all people]] saying this means [[{{Hypocrite}} the irony was not lost of the audience]].[[/note]]

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** Violence is no answer! [[note]]Uttered by Kamille when he is being physically reprimanded by Wong Lee. The fact that it's fucking [[HairTriggerTemper Kamille]] ''[[HairTriggerTemper Kamille]]'' [[TalkToTheFist of all people]] saying this means [[{{Hypocrite}} the irony was not lost of the audience]].[[/note]]



** [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Char has never betrayed anyone]] [[BlatantLies in his entire life, ever.]]

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** [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Char has never betrayed anyone]] [[BlatantLies in his entire life, ever.]]ever]].



** Kamile himself is also widely mocked as a woman thanks to Jerid Mesa (his official cheesecake illustrations don't help), or as a vegetable thanks to Paptimus Sciorcco.

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** Kamile Kamille himself is also widely mocked as a woman thanks to Jerid Mesa (his official cheesecake illustrations don't help), or as a vegetable [[spoiler:vegetable]] thanks to Paptimus Sciorcco.



** Bask crosses this in the 3rd episode [[spoiler: by tricking Jerid into executing Kamille's mother Hilda]] and somehow only gets worse further on. [[spoiler: Reccoa]] has hers when she gasses a civilian colony.
** In [[spoiler: Reccoa's]] defense, [[IfYoureSoEvilEatThisKitten Bask ordered her to gas the colony to prove her allegiance]], which is probably one reason why [[spoiler: [[EvenEvilHasStandards She later kills him when she gets the chance.]]]]
** Ben Wooder crosses this when he [[spoiler:kidnaps Mirai and her children and places them in the middle of an imminent battlefield on a boat,]] just to spite the AEUG and restrict them, followed up by indiscriminately ''bombing Hong Kong city'' because the local forces weren't capturing the AEUG efficiently enough. Of course, he arguably crossed it in only the episode prior when he dropped the Psyco Gundam on the city, even if Four was the one doing the real damage.
** Jamaican get's his own when he orders a ColonyDrop on Granada out of anger when he and his soldiers are forced out of the city.

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** Bask crosses this in the 3rd episode [[spoiler: by tricking Jerid into executing Kamille's mother Hilda]] and somehow only gets worse further on.
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[[spoiler: Reccoa]] has hers when she gasses a civilian colony.
** *** In [[spoiler: Reccoa's]] defense, [[IfYoureSoEvilEatThisKitten Bask ordered her to gas the colony to prove her allegiance]], which is probably one reason why [[spoiler: [[EvenEvilHasStandards She she later kills him when she gets the chance.]]]]
** Ben Wooder crosses this when he [[spoiler:kidnaps Mirai and her children and places them in the middle of an imminent battlefield on a boat,]] boat]], just to spite the AEUG and restrict them, followed up by indiscriminately ''bombing Hong Kong city'' because the local forces weren't capturing the AEUG efficiently enough. Of course, he arguably crossed it in only the episode prior when he dropped the Psyco Gundam on the city, even if Four was the one doing the real damage.
** Jamaican get's gets his own when he orders a ColonyDrop on Granada out of anger when when, pissed that he and his soldiers are forced out of the city.out, he orders a ColonyDrop on Granada.



** At the end of "Half Moon Love" Kamille's contorting and tortured face, after realizing Sarah had escaped, makes him look like a stoner.
** The sheer amount of times people are beating the crap out of each other. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnpinHvEH-U There's a video on youtube that's 7 minutes long consisting of nothing but people slapping and punching each other.]]

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** At the end of "Half Moon Love" Love," Kamille's contorting and tortured face, after realizing Sarah had escaped, makes him look like a stoner.
** The sheer amount of times people are beating the crap out of each other. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnpinHvEH-U There's a video on youtube [=YouTube=] that's 7 minutes long consisting of nothing but people slapping and punching each other.]]



*** It's given a lampshade by Chris of MAHQ. When commenting on [[spoiler: G Gundam's GrandFinale and the ''epic'' [[EarnYourHappyEnding end]] of Domon and Rain's love story]], he points out that "They ([[spoiler:Domon and Rain]]) are not Newtypes who magically reach an understanding of each other, [[CharacterDevelopment they're normal people who have to develop their love over time.]]"
** Amuro and Beltorchika meet in episode 15. They barely talk. Then in episode 16 they are already kissing for the third time. Somebody needs to [[SoYouWantTo/WriteALoveStory learn how to write romance apparently.]] Again, justified in-story: Amuro doesn't actually love Beltochika, but is using her presence as an excuse to not deal with his massive traumas. Interestingly enough, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen had Tomino gotten his way]] with his original draft of [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Char's Counterattack]] and had Amuro marry Beltorchika, it's likely that he would have eventually fallen for her for real.
* TastesLikeDiabetes: The ending of the A New Translation trilogy for some.

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*** It's given a lampshade by Chris of MAHQ. When commenting on [[spoiler: G Gundam's GrandFinale and the ''epic'' [[EarnYourHappyEnding end]] of Domon and Rain's love story]], he points out that "They ([[spoiler:Domon and Rain]]) are not Newtypes who magically reach an understanding of each other, [[CharacterDevelopment they're normal people who have to develop their love over time.]]"
time]]."
** Amuro and Beltorchika meet in episode Episode 15. They barely talk. Then Then, in episode 16 Episode 16, they are already kissing for the third time. Somebody needs to [[SoYouWantTo/WriteALoveStory learn how to write romance apparently.]] apparently]]. Again, justified in-story: Amuro doesn't actually love Beltochika, but is using her presence as an excuse to not deal with his massive traumas. Interestingly enough, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen had Tomino gotten his way]] with his original draft of [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Char's Counterattack]] and had Amuro marry Beltorchika, it's likely that he would have eventually fallen for her for real.
* TastesLikeDiabetes: The ending of the A ''A New Translation trilogy Translation'' trilogy, for some.



** Another tear jerker for this series is when [[spoiler: Kamille kills his "little sister" Rosamia. She was basically [[BrainwashedAndCrazy mindscrewed by the Titans]] and only wanted a normal life; Kamille felt bad when he killed her, because he wanted to see her have a normal life in the end. ]] What really makes it hit home is [[spoiler: her last words, "Brother, I've found you."]].
** The next to [[spoiler:Four's]] death was [[spoiler: when Kamille's mother, Hilda, was killed. He was trying to save her and just about did, then Jerid has to shot her capsule exposing her to the vacuum of space without a space suit on. It's a tear jerker because it happened right in front of Kamille, not to mention she may have been a MissingMom but she still cared for him ''way'' more than her JerkAss husband.]]
** [[spoiler: [[LadyOfWar Emma Sheen's]] death.]] Which came right after [[spoiler: the sacrifice of the Radish and [[GentleGiant Henken Beckener's]] demise. The saddest part of her death was how Kamille lingered in the room with her. You could really see his hesitance in leaving her body there and the way he turned back to her as he opened the door was the saddest thing in all of Zeta Gundam and is perhaps the saddest launch announcement ever.]]
** It's easy to forget in among all the heroic deaths in episode 49, but the death of [[spoiler:Jerid Messa]] is just depressing. To see a character, even a villainous one, who's been with us since the first episode, who we've learned to sympathize with, die such a pointless, meaningless death, is honestly pretty heartbreaking, especially since he wasn't that bad compared to the rest of the Titans.

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** Another tear jerker for this series is when [[spoiler: Kamille kills his "little sister" Rosamia. She was basically [[BrainwashedAndCrazy mindscrewed by the Titans]] and only wanted a normal life; Kamille felt bad when he killed her, because he wanted to see her have a normal life in the end. ]] What really makes it hit home is [[spoiler: her last words, "Brother, I've found you."]].
** The next Next to [[spoiler:Four's]] death was [[spoiler: when Kamille's mother, Hilda, was killed. He was trying to save her and just about did, then Jerid has to shot her capsule exposing her to the vacuum of space without a space suit on. It's a tear jerker because it It happened right in front of Kamille, not to mention she may have been a MissingMom MissingMom, but she still cared for him ''way'' more than her JerkAss husband.]]
** [[spoiler: [[LadyOfWar Emma Sheen's]] death.]] Which came right after [[spoiler: the sacrifice of the Radish and [[GentleGiant Henken Beckener's]] demise. The saddest part of her death was how Kamille lingered in the room with her. You could really see his hesitance in leaving her body there and the way he turned back to her as he opened the door was the saddest thing in all of Zeta Gundam ''Zeta Gundam'' and is perhaps the saddest launch announcement ever.]]
** It's easy to forget in among all the heroic deaths in episode Episode 49, but the death of [[spoiler:Jerid Messa]] is just depressing. To see a character, even a villainous one, who's been with us since the first episode, who we've learned to sympathize with, die such a pointless, meaningless death, is honestly pretty heartbreaking, especially since he wasn't that bad compared to the rest of the Titans.



** The final scene in the show hits home HARD. Fa finding Kamille alive, only to realize [[spoiler: he's been brain damaged by Scirocco]] Just seeing her expression sort of sums up the show...

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** The final scene in the show hits home HARD. Fa finding Kamille alive, only to realize [[spoiler: he's been brain damaged by Scirocco]] Scirocco]]. Just seeing her expression sort of sums up the show...



** Even more so than the original series, characters are quick to dish out CorporalPunishment. Wong's beatdown of Kamille in particular for disobeying orders and talking out of line was treated as both right and justified by other characters. The fandom's opinion on this, [[KickTheDog was quite the opposite.]]

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** Even more so than the original series, characters are quick to dish out CorporalPunishment. Wong's beatdown of Kamille in particular for disobeying orders and talking out of line was treated as both right and justified by other characters. The fandom's opinion on this, [[KickTheDog was quite the opposite.]]opposite]].



* {{Woolseyism}}: Kai's introductory line to Reccoa is a little more straightforward in the dub. It also sets up nicely for some dialogue between them at the end of the epidosde. But the direct translation actually has NarmCharm due to it [[BlindIdiotTranslation not seeming to make a whole lot of sense]]. Reccoa's amused response, however, is probably more in character for the line in the sub.
-->'''Dub''': My name's Kai Shiden. And as a freelance journalist, I can behave professionally, even with a beautiful woman such as yourself.'''
-->'''Sub''': My name's Kai Shiden. As a freelance journalist, I can appear anywhere, anytime. Even the Vatican.

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* {{Woolseyism}}: Kai's introductory line to Reccoa is a little more straightforward in the dub. It also sets up nicely for some dialogue between them at the end of the epidosde.episode. But the direct translation actually has NarmCharm due to it [[BlindIdiotTranslation not seeming to make a whole lot of sense]]. Reccoa's amused response, however, is probably more in character for the line in the sub.
-->'''Dub''': My "My name's Kai Shiden. And as a freelance journalist, I can behave professionally, even with a beautiful woman such as yourself.'''
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-->'''Sub''': My "My name's Kai Shiden. As a freelance journalist, I can appear anywhere, anytime. Even the Vatican."
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** [[spoiler:[[FourIsDeath Four]] Murasame's]] death in the episode "Forever Four"(made more poignant by a HopeSpot and Kamille's DeathWail), remembered as one of the best episodes of the ''Gundam'' franchise. In fact, a certain death scene in ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedDestiny Gundam SEED Destiny]]'' ([[spoiler:Stella's]]) was basically copied from this very scene.

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** [[spoiler:[[FourIsDeath Four]] Murasame's]] death in the episode "Forever Four"(made Four" (made more poignant by a HopeSpot and Kamille's DeathWail), remembered as one of the best episodes of the ''Gundam'' franchise. In fact, a certain death scene in ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedDestiny Gundam SEED Destiny]]'' ([[spoiler:Stella's]]) was basically copied from this very scene.
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** The sheer amount of times people are beating the crap out of each other. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_StZDxiUIWE There's a video on youtube that's 7 minutes long consisting of nothing but people slapping and punching each other.]]

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** The sheer amount of times people are beating the crap out of each other. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_StZDxiUIWE com/watch?v=jnpinHvEH-U There's a video on youtube that's 7 minutes long consisting of nothing but people slapping and punching each other.]]

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Fan Nickname is now an Audience Reaction per TRS, moving example from Trivia to YMMV (and trying to reword that Hilarious In Hindsight example, actually, is that even an example?)


* FanNickname:
** The O was suddenly called "[[WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants Patrick]]" after ''VideoGame/SDGundamOnline'' was released.
** The Bolinoak Sammahn is called "Mori No Kuma-san" (forest bear) in Japan because of its odd name and vaguely ursine appearance.



** The Bolinoak Sammahn was given the FanNickname "''Mori No Kuma-san''" (forest bear) because of its odd name and vaguely ursine appearance. The Kuma [[AMechByAnyOtherName Origami]] from ''Series/SamuraiSentaiShinkenger'' fits that nickname better.

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** The Bolinoak Sammahn was given the Sammahn's FanNickname "''Mori No Kuma-san''" (forest bear) because of in Japan is "forest bear" due to its odd name and vaguely ursine appearance.sounding like the Japanese words for such and slight resemblance to the animal. The Kuma [[AMechByAnyOtherName Origami]] from ''Series/SamuraiSentaiShinkenger'' fits that nickname better.
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** Four is both really prone to this.

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** Four is both really prone to this.this as while she commits a number of deeply terrible acts she's also a severely damaged girl. Fans and even the series itself focus more on the tragic aspect of the TragicVillain rather than the villain part.

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** Scirocco and Four are both really prone to this.

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** Scirocco is a manipulative power-hungry man with a cruel streak. His machinations lead to a lot of death and chaos but he's also good-looking, charismatic, and humanized ''just'' enough for fans to take him under this trope. When put up next to the other Titan leaders like Jamitov and Bask, these traits made him resonate with fans much more.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Scirocco and Four are both really prone to this.

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** In this series and in ''ZZ'', Haman receives this treatment a lot. It helps that in ''Zeta'' her faction is ALighterShadeOfGrey and it's not until the sequel does she have her real moments of villainy. EvilIsSexy and she has just enough sympathetic moments for the audience to latch onto her.
** Char/Quattro is an interesting case because for most of ''Zeta'' he's much more heroic than his other depictions; his positive qualities are highlighted, he receives a number of PetTheDog moments, and his relationship with Kamille humanizes him. However, once ''Char's Counterattack'' comes along he plunges into his most heinous characterization and retroactively much of his Quattro depiction ends up being a prolonged example of BaitTheDog. Fans who prefer a sympathetic Char latch onto his depiction here and this translated into some cases of AdaptationalHeroism for him in the video games that walk back his later characterization of a JerkWithAHeartOfJerk NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist. It's quite telling that ''Zeta'' would ultimately spawn the most sympathetic version of the CharClone with certain future shows borrowing from the Quattro persona rather than the classic one.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: Can be seen this way, particularly about how Newtypes are the future, and how our 'souls are bound by gravity' and that we need to move into space to both evolve ourselves as well as give the exhausted Earth some breathing room. It's just the show ''really'' shoves it in your face, but then again, some might argue that SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped.
** Of course, the exact opposite is argued in other Gundam series, such as Crossbone.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: Can be seen this way, particularly about how Newtypes are the future, and how our 'souls are bound by gravity' and that we need to move into space to both evolve ourselves as well as give the exhausted Earth some breathing room. It's just the show ''really'' shoves it in your face, but then again, some might argue that SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped.
** Of course, the exact opposite is argued in other Gundam series, such as Crossbone.
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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IUyqenD7kU Zeta PAUNCH!]]

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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IUyqenD7kU Zeta PAUNCH!]]PAUNCH!]] [[labelnote:Explanation]]In 2007, a video was released with two fight scenes from ''Zeta Gundam'' getting dubbed with ''Super Smash Bros.'' sounds, mostly of Captain Falcon calling out his Falcon Punch. This led to some audio dub videos using other media.[[/labelnote]]

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*** His face upon getting impaled is also a very memorable visual meme in Japan.
*** Really, even his name is a meme: people often deliberately misspell his name as "Papsmear Circus", for example.



** Viewers making jokes on Jerid is the culprit responsible for the Gryps Conflict and the other conflicts, including the rise of fall of Haman and Char's Neo-Zeon... after he called Kamille a girl.

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** Viewers making jokes on about how Jerid is the culprit ultimately responsible for the Gryps Conflict and the other conflicts, future events, including the rise of fall of Haman and Char's Neo-Zeon... after all because he called Kamille a girl.



** Kamile himself is also widely mocked as a woman thanks to Jerid Mesa.

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** Kamile himself is also widely mocked as a woman thanks to Jerid Mesa.Mesa (his official cheesecake illustrations don't help), or as a vegetable thanks to Paptimus Sciorcco.



** Ben Wooder crosses this when he [[spoiler:kidnaps Mirai and her children and places them in the middle of an imminent battlefield on a boat,]] just to spite the AEUG and restrict them, followed up by indiscriminately ''bombing Hong Kong city'' because the local forces weren't capturing the AEUG efficiently enough. Of course, he arguably crossed it in only the episode prior when he dropped the Psyco Gundam on the city, even if Four was the one doing the real damages.

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** Ben Wooder crosses this when he [[spoiler:kidnaps Mirai and her children and places them in the middle of an imminent battlefield on a boat,]] just to spite the AEUG and restrict them, followed up by indiscriminately ''bombing Hong Kong city'' because the local forces weren't capturing the AEUG efficiently enough. Of course, he arguably crossed it in only the episode prior when he dropped the Psyco Gundam on the city, even if Four was the one doing the real damages.damage.

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** At one point Char proclaims that he's never betrayed anyone in his life. Besides the bold-faced BlatantLies at work that made fans giggle, many years later [[Manga/MobileSuitGundamTheOrigin we'd get a particular prequel and rewrite work]] that all but defines him as a [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder pathological backstabber]] incarnate.



** Violate! [[labelnote:explaination]]The TV-Nihon subs of the 2nd movie features Yazan's line: "I'm gonna violate you!", which is (accurately) translated from this original quote: ''手込めにしてやる, (tekome ni shite yaru)''. The other fansubs and the official releases doesn't translate the line well.[[/labelnote]]

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** Violate! [[labelnote:explaination]]The [[labelnote:explanation]]The TV-Nihon subs of the 2nd movie features Yazan's line: "I'm gonna violate you!", which is (accurately) translated from this original quote: ''手込めにしてやる, (tekome ni shite yaru)''. The other fansubs and the official releases doesn't translate the line well.[[/labelnote]]
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** [[SociopathicSoldier Yazan Gable]] is a [[BloodKnight warmonger]] who goes so far to admit that he joined the Titans' military so he could legally kill members of the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG). He has no interest in the rules of warfare, murders solely because he is good at it, and gladly participates in the Grenada ColonyDrop, knowing it would have killed thousands of civilians and seeing it as an opportunity to shoot down anyone who tries to defend Grenada. When a superior officer tries to stop a pointless battle, Yazan takes this as a hindrance to his bloodlust and arranges for the officer to die at the hands of an AEUG pilot. When Paptimus Scirocco betrays the Titan leadership, Yazan does so as well, out of his belief in [[IFightForTheStrongestSide fighting for the strongest military power]]. In the finale, Yazan leaves his mark on the show's tragic take on war when he goes on a savage killing spree, leaving numerous [[HeroKiller major heroic characters dead]] and even murdering some of his own allies. With a [[FountainOfExpies series of equally monstrous villains]] in the franchise, Yazan is a blight upon his world, more of a feral predator than a man.

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** [[SociopathicSoldier Yazan Gable]] is a [[BloodKnight warmonger]] who goes so far to admit that he joined the Titans' military so he could legally kill members of the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG). He has no interest in the rules of warfare, murders solely because he is good at it, and gladly participates in the Grenada ColonyDrop, knowing it would have killed thousands of civilians and seeing it as an opportunity to shoot down anyone who tries to defend Grenada. When a superior officer tries to stop a pointless battle, Yazan takes this as a hindrance to his bloodlust and arranges for the officer to die at the hands of an AEUG pilot. When Paptimus Scirocco betrays the Titan leadership, Yazan does so as well, out of his belief in [[IFightForTheStrongestSide fighting for the strongest military power]]. In the finale, Yazan leaves his mark on the show's tragic take on war when he goes on a savage killing spree, leaving numerous [[HeroKiller major heroic characters dead]] and even murdering some of his own allies. With a [[FountainOfExpies series of equally monstrous villains]] villains in the franchise, franchise influenced by him, Yazan is a blight upon his world, more of a feral predator than a man.

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** [[SociopathicSoldier Yazan Gable]] is a [[BloodKnight warmonger]] who goes so far to admit that he joined the Titans' military so he could legally kill members of the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG). He has no interest in the rules of warfare, murders solely because he is good at it, and gladly participates in the Grenada ColonyDrop, knowing it would have killed thousands of civilians and seeing it as an opportunity to shoot down anyone who tries to defend Grenada. When a superior officer tries to stop a pointless battle, Yazan takes this as a hindrance to his bloodlust and arranges for the officer to die at the hands of an AEUG pilot. When Paptimus Scirocco betrays the Titan leadership, Yazan does so as well, out of his belief in [[IFightForTheStrongestSide fighting for the strongest military power]]. In the finale, Yazan leaves his mark on the show's tragic take on war when he goes on a savage killing spree, leaving numerous [[HeroKiller major heroic characters dead]] and even murdering some of his own allies. With a [[FountainOfExpies series of equally monstrous villains influenced by him]] in the franchise, Yazan is a blight upon his world, more of a feral predator than a man.

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** [[SociopathicSoldier Yazan Gable]] is a [[BloodKnight warmonger]] who goes so far to admit that he joined the Titans' military so he could legally kill members of the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG). He has no interest in the rules of warfare, murders solely because he is good at it, and gladly participates in the Grenada ColonyDrop, knowing it would have killed thousands of civilians and seeing it as an opportunity to shoot down anyone who tries to defend Grenada. When a superior officer tries to stop a pointless battle, Yazan takes this as a hindrance to his bloodlust and arranges for the officer to die at the hands of an AEUG pilot. When Paptimus Scirocco betrays the Titan leadership, Yazan does so as well, out of his belief in [[IFightForTheStrongestSide fighting for the strongest military power]]. In the finale, Yazan leaves his mark on the show's tragic take on war when he goes on a savage killing spree, leaving numerous [[HeroKiller major heroic characters dead]] and even murdering some of his own allies. With a [[FountainOfExpies series of equally monstrous villains influenced by him]] villains]] in the franchise, Yazan is a blight upon his world, more of a feral predator than a man.
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** [[SociopathicSoldier Yazan Gable]] is a [[BloodKnight warmonger]] who goes so far to admit that he joined the Titans' military so he could legally kill members of the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG). He has no interest in the rules of warfare, murders solely because he is good at it, and gladly participates in the Grenada ColonyDrop, knowing it would have killed thousands of civilians and seeing it as an opportunity to shoot down anyone who tries to defend Grenada. When a superior officer tries to stop a pointless battle, Yazan takes this as a hindrance to his bloodlust and arranges for the officer to die at the hands of an AEUG pilot. When Paptimus Scirocco betrays the Titan leadership, Yazan does so as well, out of his belief in [[IFightForTheStrongestSide fighting for the strongest military power]]. In the finale, Yazan leaves his mark on the show's tragic take on war when he goes on a savage killing spree, leaving numerous [[HeroKiller major heroic characters dead]] and even murdering some of his own allies. With a [[FountainOfExpies series of equally monstrous villains]] in the franchise, Yazan is a blight upon his world, more of a feral predator than a man.

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** [[SociopathicSoldier Yazan Gable]] is a [[BloodKnight warmonger]] who goes so far to admit that he joined the Titans' military so he could legally kill members of the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG). He has no interest in the rules of warfare, murders solely because he is good at it, and gladly participates in the Grenada ColonyDrop, knowing it would have killed thousands of civilians and seeing it as an opportunity to shoot down anyone who tries to defend Grenada. When a superior officer tries to stop a pointless battle, Yazan takes this as a hindrance to his bloodlust and arranges for the officer to die at the hands of an AEUG pilot. When Paptimus Scirocco betrays the Titan leadership, Yazan does so as well, out of his belief in [[IFightForTheStrongestSide fighting for the strongest military power]]. In the finale, Yazan leaves his mark on the show's tragic take on war when he goes on a savage killing spree, leaving numerous [[HeroKiller major heroic characters dead]] and even murdering some of his own allies. With a [[FountainOfExpies series of equally monstrous villains]] villains influenced by him]] in the franchise, Yazan is a blight upon his world, more of a feral predator than a man.
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** [[SociopathicSoldier Yazan Gable]] is a [[BloodKnight warmonger]] who goes so far to admit that he joined the Titans' military so he could legally kill members of the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG). He has no interest in the rules of warfare, murders solely because he is good at it, and gladly participates in the Grenada ColonyDrop, knowing it would have killed thousands of civilians and seeing it as an opportunity to shoot down anyone who tries to defend Grenada. When a superior officer tries to stop a pointless battle, Yazan takes this as a hindrance to his bloodlust and arranges for the officer to die at the hands of an AEUG pilot. When Paptimus Scirocco betrays the Titan leadership, Yazan does so as well, out of his belief in [[IFightForTheStrongestSide fighting for the strongest military power]]. In the finale, Yazan leaves his mark on the show's tragic take on war when he goes on a savage killing spree, leaving numerous [[HeroKiller major heroic characters dead]] and even murdering some of his own allies. With a series of equally-monstrous expies in the franchise, Yazan is a blight upon his world, more of a feral predator than a man.

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** [[SociopathicSoldier Yazan Gable]] is a [[BloodKnight warmonger]] who goes so far to admit that he joined the Titans' military so he could legally kill members of the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG). He has no interest in the rules of warfare, murders solely because he is good at it, and gladly participates in the Grenada ColonyDrop, knowing it would have killed thousands of civilians and seeing it as an opportunity to shoot down anyone who tries to defend Grenada. When a superior officer tries to stop a pointless battle, Yazan takes this as a hindrance to his bloodlust and arranges for the officer to die at the hands of an AEUG pilot. When Paptimus Scirocco betrays the Titan leadership, Yazan does so as well, out of his belief in [[IFightForTheStrongestSide fighting for the strongest military power]]. In the finale, Yazan leaves his mark on the show's tragic take on war when he goes on a savage killing spree, leaving numerous [[HeroKiller major heroic characters dead]] and even murdering some of his own allies. With a [[FountainOfExpies series of equally-monstrous expies equally monstrous villains]] in the franchise, Yazan is a blight upon his world, more of a feral predator than a man.
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* MagnificentBastard: [[DarkMessiah Paptimus Scirocco]]--"The Man from Jupiter"--is an elusive mercenary and Titans Lieutenant who graduates to taking over the organization. A brilliant tactician both in and out of a mobile suit, Scirocco excels at reading potential in his subordinates and outmaneuvers the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG) to capture the strategic stronghold of the lunar city Von Braun. Leaving the day-to-day operations of the district in the hands of his antagonistic superior, Scirocco divulges the man's schemes to the AEUG and arranges for his death to gain more dominance within the Titans for himself. [[BigBadDuumvirate Forming an alliance]] with Haman Khan of Neo-Zeon, Scirocco bolsters the strength of the Titans with the Axis military and [[TheStarscream personally assassinates the Titans leader]], Jamitov Hymem, assuming command over the syndicate and blaming Jamitov's death on Haman, [[PlayingBothSides rallying his forces to fight against her]]. Giving a former AEUG pilot he corrupted to his side an eloquent lecture on his ambitions for humanity, Scirocco engages the AEUG personally and reveals he has kept his alliance with Haman to revitalize the strength of his fleet. Even with his armada destroyed by the blast of a colony laser, Scirocco continues to fight series protagonist Kamille Bidan and, [[TakingYouWithMe in his dying moments]], [[MindRape destroys Kamille's consciousness]], unrelentingly unwilling to accept his vanquishment. Emotionally manipulative yet charming, charismatic and stylish, Scirocco proves himself to be every bit as brilliantly Machiavellian as he is mysterious.

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* MagnificentBastard: [[DarkMessiah Paptimus Scirocco]]--"The Scirocco]], "The Man from Jupiter"--is Jupiter", is an elusive mercenary and Titans Lieutenant who graduates to taking over the organization. A brilliant tactician both in and out of a mobile suit, Scirocco excels at reading potential in his subordinates and outmaneuvers the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG) to capture the strategic stronghold of the lunar city Von Braun. Leaving the day-to-day operations of the district in the hands of his antagonistic superior, Scirocco divulges the man's schemes to the AEUG and arranges for his death to gain more dominance within the Titans for himself. [[BigBadDuumvirate Forming an alliance]] with Haman Khan of Neo-Zeon, Scirocco bolsters the strength of the Titans with the Axis military and [[TheStarscream personally assassinates the Titans leader]], Jamitov Hymem, assuming command over the syndicate and blaming Jamitov's death on Haman, [[PlayingBothSides rallying his forces to fight against her]]. Giving a former AEUG pilot he corrupted to his side an eloquent lecture on his ambitions for humanity, Scirocco engages the AEUG personally and reveals he has kept his alliance with Haman to revitalize the strength of his fleet. Even with his armada destroyed by the blast of a colony laser, Scirocco continues to fight series protagonist Kamille Bidan and, [[TakingYouWithMe in his dying moments]], [[MindRape destroys Kamille's consciousness]], unrelentingly unwilling to accept his vanquishment. Emotionally manipulative yet charming, charismatic and stylish, Scirocco proves himself to be every bit as brilliantly Machiavellian as he is mysterious.
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* MagnificentBastard: [[DarkMessiah Paptimus Scirocco]] -- "The Man from Jupiter" -- is an elusive mercenary and Titans Lieutenant who graduates to taking over the organization. A brilliant tactician both in and out of a mobile suit, Scirocco excels at reading potential in his subordinates and outmaneuvers the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG) to capture the strategic stronghold of the lunar city Von Braun. Leaving the day-to-day operations of the district in the hands of his antagonistic superior, Scirocco divulges the man's schemes to the AEUG and arranges for his death to gain more dominance within the Titans for himself. [[BigBadDuumvirate Forming an alliance]] with Haman Khan of Neo-Zeon, Scirocco bolsters the strength of the Titans with the Axis military and [[TheStarscream personally assassinates the Titans leader]], Jamitov Hymem, assuming command over the syndicate and blaming Jamitov's death on Haman, [[PlayingBothSides rallying his forces to fight against her]]. Giving a former AEUG pilot he corrupted to his side an eloquent lecture on his ambitions for humanity, Scirocco engages the AEUG personally and reveals he has kept his alliance with Haman to revitalize the strength of his fleet. Even with his armada destroyed by the blast of a colony laser, Scirocco continues to fight series protagonist Kamille Bidan and, [[TakingYouWithMe in his dying moments]], [[MindRape destroys Kamille's consciousness]], unrelentingly unwilling to accept his vanquishment. Emotionally manipulative yet charming, charismatic and stylish, Scirocco proves himself to be every bit as brilliantly Machiavellian as he is mysterious.

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* MagnificentBastard: [[DarkMessiah Paptimus Scirocco]] -- "The Scirocco]]--"The Man from Jupiter" -- is Jupiter"--is an elusive mercenary and Titans Lieutenant who graduates to taking over the organization. A brilliant tactician both in and out of a mobile suit, Scirocco excels at reading potential in his subordinates and outmaneuvers the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG) to capture the strategic stronghold of the lunar city Von Braun. Leaving the day-to-day operations of the district in the hands of his antagonistic superior, Scirocco divulges the man's schemes to the AEUG and arranges for his death to gain more dominance within the Titans for himself. [[BigBadDuumvirate Forming an alliance]] with Haman Khan of Neo-Zeon, Scirocco bolsters the strength of the Titans with the Axis military and [[TheStarscream personally assassinates the Titans leader]], Jamitov Hymem, assuming command over the syndicate and blaming Jamitov's death on Haman, [[PlayingBothSides rallying his forces to fight against her]]. Giving a former AEUG pilot he corrupted to his side an eloquent lecture on his ambitions for humanity, Scirocco engages the AEUG personally and reveals he has kept his alliance with Haman to revitalize the strength of his fleet. Even with his armada destroyed by the blast of a colony laser, Scirocco continues to fight series protagonist Kamille Bidan and, [[TakingYouWithMe in his dying moments]], [[MindRape destroys Kamille's consciousness]], unrelentingly unwilling to accept his vanquishment. Emotionally manipulative yet charming, charismatic and stylish, Scirocco proves himself to be every bit as brilliantly Machiavellian as he is mysterious.

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** The Titans crossed it before the main story even begins, having poison-gassed an entire civilian colony solely because they were ''protesting''. Kamille and Emma get to witness the results years later where the corpses were just left to rot, meaning the colony wasn't even repurposed but simply a fear-instilling step in the Titans' reign. If the viewer doesn't find that horrible, they get more than enough reasons in the series itself to witness plenty more horizons crossed.
** Kamille's dad Franklin was a huge jerk and he showed it via [[DomesticAbuse slapping his wife Hilda]] when she calls him out on his crap and [[spoiler: regarding her death very coldly]], but it ''really'' shines when [[spoiler: he tries to [[OffingTheOffspring kill Kamille]] in battle despite Kamille pleading with him to not fight. It's a ''relief'' when Quattro decides to kill Franklin with his own mecha.]]



** Kamille's dad Franklin was a huge jerk and he showed it via [[DomesticAbuse slapping his wife Hilda]] when she calls him out on his crap and [[spoiler: regarding her death very coldly]], but it ''really'' shines when [[spoiler: he tries to [[OffingTheOffspring kill Kamille]] in battle despite Kamille pleading with him to not fight. It's a ''relief'' when Quattro decides to kill Franklin with his own mecha.]]
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** Ben Wooder crosses this when he [[spoiler:kidnaps Mirai and her children and places them in the middle of an imminent battlefield on a boat,]] just to spite the AEUG and restrict them, followed up by indiscriminately ''bombing Hong Kong city'' because the local forces weren't capturing the AEUG efficiently enough. Of course, he arguably crossed it in only the episode prior when he dropped the Psyco Gundam on the city, even if Four was the one doing the real damages.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Everyone in the CrapsackWorld the series takes place in [[DysfunctionJunction spends so much time yelling at each other]] or [[CharactersDroppingLikeFlies dying]] that it can be hard to care about what happens next. [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2002-12-12/a-short-talk-with-yoshiyuki-tomino Tomino disliked this]] which apparently led to the changes in the compilation movies.
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: While many bemoan the RealityWarping shenanigans from ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamUnicorn Unicorn]]'' and ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamNarrative Narrative]]'', it was ''Zeta Gundam'' that introduced the idea that newtype powers were more than simple telepathy. This took the form of things such as energy barriers, powering up the machines, disabling of enemy mobile suits and even [[spoiler:using the spirits of the dead to help take out an enemy]]. These would then see further escalation in ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ ZZ]]'' and [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Char's Counterattack]]''.
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*** It's given a lampshade by Chris of MAHQ. When commenting on [[spoiler: G Gundam's GrandFinale and the ''epic'' [[EarnYourHappyEnding end]] of Domon and Rain's love story]], he points out that "They ([[spoiler: [Domon and Rain]]) are not Newtypes who magically reach an understanding of each other, [[CharacterDevelopment they're normal people who have to develop their love over time.]]"

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*** It's given a lampshade by Chris of MAHQ. When commenting on [[spoiler: G Gundam's GrandFinale and the ''epic'' [[EarnYourHappyEnding end]] of Domon and Rain's love story]], he points out that "They ([[spoiler: [Domon ([[spoiler:Domon and Rain]]) are not Newtypes who magically reach an understanding of each other, [[CharacterDevelopment they're normal people who have to develop their love over time.]]"

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* ValuesDissonance: Even more so than the original series, characters are quick to dish out CorporalPunishment. Wong's beatdown of Kamille in particular for disobeying orders and talking out of line was treated as both right and justified by other characters. The fandom's opinion on this, [[KickTheDog was quite the opposite.]]

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** When trying to defend himself for his arrogance, Kamille calls himself an autistic child and Emma gets even angrier at him for making excuses. In the context of Japan at the time, autism was treated as general anti-social behavior, so Emma's frustration is born from Kamille essentially saying that he is blameless for being a kid with problems socializing. In the more modern definition of autism, Emma's reaction comes off as more unfortunate because it seems like she is just brushing off Kamille having a disorder and the effects it has on him.
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** Kamille isn't as immediate as most examples, but he's cute and clearly has his moments of social awkwardness, especially when people poke fun at him.
** Has shades of this when she attempts to follow Scirocco's example and politely bow in front of an audience, but Yazan has none of it and silently pushes her towards door while she's in the middle of it.

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** [[GeneralRipper Captain Bask Om]], the second-in-command of the Titans, is [[EstablishingCharacterMoment first seen]] beating the tar out of one of his officers for opposing his order--an order which risked civilian lives. Later, Bask has Kamille Bidan's mother, Hilda, put in a capsule in outer space without a spacesuit in order to retrieve the Gundams stolen by the AEUG, and orders one of his men to shoot at it, claiming the capsule contains a bomb, leading to her heart-wrenching death. He subsequently orders two massive colony gassings. He is also the man responsible for the Titans' brutal treatment of the colonies in the first place, favoring the seizure and murder of hostages to get people to go along with his plans, and being a major proponent of the use of Cyber-Newtypes, teenage {{super soldier}}s created through MindRape and a cocktail of PsychoSerum.

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** [[GeneralRipper Captain Bask Om]], the second-in-command of the Titans, represents the worst of Earthnoid supremacy. Cruel and cold-hearted even as a member of the regular Earth Federation Forces, Bask showed nothing but glee when killing his own soldiers and paving the way for the Titans to become a reality during the conclusion of [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam0083StardustMemory Operation Stardust]]. In ''Zeta'' proper, he is [[EstablishingCharacterMoment first seen]] seen beating the tar out of one of his officers Bright Noa for opposing his order--an an order which that risked civilian lives. Later, Bask lives and has Kamille Bidan's mother, Hilda, put in a capsule in outer space without a spacesuit in order to retrieve the Gundams stolen by the AEUG, and orders one of his men to shoot at it, claiming the capsule contains a bomb, leading to her heart-wrenching death. He subsequently orders two massive colony gassings. it. He is also the man responsible for the Titans' brutal treatment of the colonies Spacenoids in the first place, gassing colonies and favoring the seizure and murder of hostages to get people to go along with his plans, and being a major proponent of the use of Cyber-Newtypes, teenage {{super soldier}}s created through MindRape and a cocktail of PsychoSerum.

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** Non-human example: An understated example as the Mk. II actually avails itself quite well and is quite well-liked, but it is a unit that isn't even that high-performing at its rollout and gets more and more left in the dust as the series goes on and its status as a mediocre unit is often the subject of jokes. Its loser status is likely referenced in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' which has a CaptainErsatz of Gundams called the Huckebein. The Huckebein Mk. II was a meh unit, while the Mk. I and III are both amazing units. Subverted in terms of Gunpla, since Gundam Mk-II kits in many grades are praised for their quality (such as its RG, where it was the measuring stick in how good a RG kit should be).

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** Non-human example: An understated example as the Mk. II actually avails itself quite well and is quite well-liked, but it is a unit that isn't even that high-performing at its rollout and gets more and more left in the dust as the series goes on and its status as a mediocre unit is often the subject of jokes. Its loser status is likely referenced in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' which has a CaptainErsatz of Gundams called the Huckebein. The Huckebein Mk. II was a meh unit, while the Mk. I and III are both amazing units.
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** Non-human example: An understated example as the Mk. II actually avails itself quite well and is quite well-liked, but it is a unit that isn't even that high-performing at its rollout and gets more and more left in the dust as the series goes on and its status as a mediocre unit is often the subject of jokes. Its loser status is likely referenced in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' which has a CaptainErsatz of Gundams called the Huckebein. The Huckebein Mk. II was a meh unit, while the Mk. I and III are both amazing units.

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** Non-human example: An understated example as the Mk. II actually avails itself quite well and is quite well-liked, but it is a unit that isn't even that high-performing at its rollout and gets more and more left in the dust as the series goes on and its status as a mediocre unit is often the subject of jokes. Its loser status is likely referenced in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' which has a CaptainErsatz of Gundams called the Huckebein. The Huckebein Mk. II was a meh unit, while the Mk. I and III are both amazing units. Subverted in terms of Gunpla, since Gundam Mk-II kits in many grades are praised for their quality (such as its RG, where it was the measuring stick in how good a RG kit should be).

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