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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Douglas in "That's Debatable" for calling Lloyd the "most selfish boy [he] ever met" because the later didn't help him prepare for the debate. Whilst we are meant to sympathise with Douglas because he is suffering from the pressure of having to study, the problem is, it was Douglas' ''own'' idea to do all the work, whilst Lloyd only sits with him because the debate requires a two person team. The only reason Lloyd agreed to come was due to a mix of quilt-tripping and talking about how great the vacation will be. In fact, when Lloyd brings up the deal, Douglas' only response is "It was an idiotic deal" practically acknowledging it was his own fault, [[NeverMyFault yet he still treats Lloyd as the bad guy]].
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Douglas in "That's Debatable" for calling Lloyd the "most selfish boy [he] ever met" because the later didn't help him prepare for the debate. Whilst we are meant to sympathise sympathize with Douglas because he is suffering from the pressure of having to study, the problem is, it is that was Douglas' ''own'' idea to do all the work, whilst Lloyd only sits with him because the debate requires a two person two-person team. The only reason Lloyd even agreed to come act as the second person begin with was due to a mix of quilt-tripping guilt-tripping and talking about how great Douglas insisting that the vacation will be. prize would be great. In fact, when Lloyd brings up the deal, Douglas' only response is "It "it was an idiotic deal" practically acknowledging it was his own fault, how short-sighted the original plan was, [[NeverMyFault yet he still treats Lloyd as the bad guy]].being at fault]].
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Despite the webtoons that implied humans are looked down upon by most other races, this only came up once in the actual show: in "Pet Wars", when Lloyd responds to a customer's complaints about how Eddie treats her pet by [[FantasticRacism implying his behavior derives from him being]] [[HumansAreBastards a human]]. Not only does this never come up again within the episode itself (despite Eddie being in earshot, he apparently had no issue with ''one of his best friends'' painting him as violent simply for being human) but the show never addresses Lloyd's apparent willingness to buy into anti-human sentiments when it suits him. Probably [[JustifiedTrope justified]] by Eddie having a Caucasian appearance but still; it would have been a good lesson to have it pointed out that "if you're making a blanket statement about someone based on anything that isn't them personally, that's prejudiced at best and racist at worst and you need to check your biases".
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Despite the webtoons that implied humans are looked down upon by most other races, this only came up once in the actual show: in "Pet Wars", when Lloyd responds to a customer's complaints about how Eddie treats her pet by [[FantasticRacism implying his behavior derives from him being]] [[HumansAreBastards a human]]. Not only does this never come up again within the episode itself (despite Eddie being in earshot, he apparently had no issue with ''one of his best friends'' painting him as violent simply for being human) but the show never addresses Lloyd's apparent willingness to buy into anti-human sentiments when it suits him. Probably [[JustifiedTrope justified]] by Eddie having a Caucasian appearance but still; it It would have been a good lesson to have it pointed out that "if you're making a blanket statement about someone based on anything that isn't them personally, that's prejudiced at best and racist at worst and you need to check your biases".
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Douglas in "That's Debatable" for calling Lloyd the "most selfish boy [he] ever met" because the later didn't help him prepare for the debate. Whilst we are meant to sympathise with Douglas because he is suffering from the pressure of having to study, the problem is, it was Douglas' ''own'' idea to do all the work, whilst Lloyd only sits with him because the debate requires a two person team. The only reason Lloyd agreed to come was due to a mix of quilt-tripping and talking about how great the vacation will be. In fact, when Lloyd brings up the deal, Douglas' only response is "It was an idiotic deal" practically acknowledging it was his own fault, [[NeverMyFault yet he still treats Lloyd as the bad guy]].
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Despite the webtoons that implied humans are looked down upon by most other races, this only came up once in the actual show: in "Pet Wars", when Lloyd responds to a customer's complaints about how Eddie treats her pet by [[FantasticRacism implying his behavior derives from him being]] [[HumansAreBastards a human]]. Not only does this never come up again within the episode itself (despite Eddie being in earshot, he apparently had no issue with ''one of his best friends'' painting him as violent simply for being human) but the show never addresses Lloyd's apparent willingness to buy into anti-human sentiments when it suits him. Probably [[JustifiedTrope justified]] by Eddie having a Caucasian appearance but still; it would have been a good lesson to have it pointed out that "if you're making a blanket statement about someone based on anything that isn't them personally, that's prejudiced at best and racist at worst and you need to check your biases"..
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Despite the webtoons that implied humans are looked down upon by most other races, this only came up once in the actual show: in "Pet Wars", when Lloyd responds to a customer's complaints about how Eddie treats her pet by [[FantasticRacism implying his behavior derives from him being]] [[HumansAreBastards a human]]. Not only does this never come up again within the episode itself (despite Eddie being in earshot, he apparently had no issue with ''one of his best friends'' painting him as violent simply for being human) but the show never addresses Lloyd's apparent willingness to buy into anti-human sentiments when it suits him. Probably [[JustifiedTrope justified]] by Eddie having a Caucasian appearance but still; it would have been a good lesson to have it pointed out that "if you're making a blanket statement about someone based on anything that isn't them personally, that's prejudiced at best and racist at worst and you need to check your biases"..biases".
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: By the end of the HalloweenEpisode, is Lloyd genuinely happy he gets to take Francine trick-or-treating after he spent what he thought was decades lamenting he'd never see his family again? Or was he trying to keep Francine happy out of fear of whatever else she might do to him after the MindRape she pulled on him and the others?
** The episode in question is probably non-canonical, as most Halloween episodes are. There are far too many unanswered questions and moral dilemmas involved that Lloyd and the others would absolutely mention it on a constant basis in other episodes, even if there were only three episodes left to air. Like a 'Hey guys, remember when we spent 60 years in an abandoned space station and you three all tried to hunt me down?' would constantly be said, plus Lloyd would probably distrust his friends following that, but it's clear he doesn't. The episode straight after that, 'Day One', shows how he met his friends and the fact that he was willing to risk a LOT just to get them back to the way they were following time travel shenanigans. If I were Lloyd, I would most likely MAJORLY distrust them following that and if given the opportunity to be with the popular kids vs three people who actively hunted me down for the last 'mental 60 years', I would probably choose the popular kids. But yeah, the Lloyd in this clearly non-canonical story could be doing either, maybe a mix of both.
** The episode in question is probably non-canonical, as most Halloween episodes are. There are far too many unanswered questions and moral dilemmas involved that Lloyd and the others would absolutely mention it on a constant basis in other episodes, even if there were only three episodes left to air. Like a 'Hey guys, remember when we spent 60 years in an abandoned space station and you three all tried to hunt me down?' would constantly be said, plus Lloyd would probably distrust his friends following that, but it's clear he doesn't. The episode straight after that, 'Day One', shows how he met his friends and the fact that he was willing to risk a LOT just to get them back to the way they were following time travel shenanigans. If I were Lloyd, I would most likely MAJORLY distrust them following that and if given the opportunity to be with the popular kids vs three people who actively hunted me down for the last 'mental 60 years', I would probably choose the popular kids. But yeah, the Lloyd in this clearly non-canonical story could be doing either, maybe a mix of both.
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** By the end of the HalloweenEpisode, is Lloyd genuinely happy he gets to take Francine trick-or-treating after he spent what he thought was decades lamenting he'd never see his family again? Or was he trying to keep Francine happy out of fear of whatever else she might do to him after the MindRape she pulled on him and theothers?
** The episode in question is probably non-canonical, as most Halloween episodes are. There are far too many unanswered questions and moral dilemmas involved that Lloyd and the others would absolutely mention it on a constant basis in other episodes, even if there were only three episodes left to air. Like a 'Hey guys, remember when we spent 60 years in an abandoned space station and you three all tried to hunt me down?' would constantly be said, plus Lloyd would probably distrust his friends following that, but it's clear he doesn't. The episode straight after that, 'Day One', shows how he met his friends and the fact that he was willing to risk a LOT just to get them back to the way they were following time travel shenanigans. If I were Lloyd, I would most likely MAJORLY distrust them following that and if given the opportunity to be with the popular kids vs three people who actively hunted me down for the last 'mental 60 years', I would probably choose the popular kids. But yeah, the Lloyd in this clearly non-canonical story could be doing either, maybe a mix of both.others?
** By the end of the HalloweenEpisode, is Lloyd genuinely happy he gets to take Francine trick-or-treating after he spent what he thought was decades lamenting he'd never see his family again? Or was he trying to keep Francine happy out of fear of whatever else she might do to him after the MindRape she pulled on him and the
** The episode in question is probably non-canonical, as most Halloween episodes are. There are far too many unanswered questions and moral dilemmas involved that Lloyd and the others would absolutely mention it on a constant basis in other episodes, even if there were only three episodes left to air. Like a 'Hey guys, remember when we spent 60 years in an abandoned space station and you three all tried to hunt me down?' would constantly be said, plus Lloyd would probably distrust his friends following that, but it's clear he doesn't. The episode straight after that, 'Day One', shows how he met his friends and the fact that he was willing to risk a LOT just to get them back to the way they were following time travel shenanigans. If I were Lloyd, I would most likely MAJORLY distrust them following that and if given the opportunity to be with the popular kids vs three people who actively hunted me down for the last 'mental 60 years', I would probably choose the popular kids. But yeah, the Lloyd in this clearly non-canonical story could be doing either, maybe a mix of both.
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* HilariousInHindsight: An eye-shaped robot with a British accent that is a bit ditzy. This [[VideoGame/Portal2 sounds familiar...]]
* HoYay: Lloyd and Eddie, sometimes with their friendship seeming like a romance with Eddie as a bad influence. Some fans ''especially'' seem to think this. Douglas and Kurt also get this too, especially in the FeudEpisode, which has some unfortunate parallels to ''Theatre/RomeoAndJuliet''.
* HoYay: Lloyd and Eddie, sometimes with their friendship seeming like a romance with Eddie as a bad influence. Some fans ''especially'' seem to think this. Douglas and Kurt also get this too, especially in the FeudEpisode, which has some unfortunate parallels to ''Theatre/RomeoAndJuliet''.
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* TheScrappy: Francine, Lloyd's bratty younger sister, is often hated for being a BrattyHalfPint who uses her powers to terrorize Lloyd and his friends. Not helping is how she rarely has to learn lessons about being nice to Lloyd, whereas he's frequently learning them about being nice to his little sister. Fans of this well-forgotten show view the scene where Francine overhears Lloyd wishing she'd never been born as LaserGuidedKarma instead of the MyGodWhatHaveIDone for Lloyd it's shown as.
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** Is Eddie really as cocky as he puts himself out to be... or is he only making himself act cool in order to make Lloyd like him, who is the COMMANDER'S son? (A fact that is never really brought up in show)
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Despite the webtoons that implied humans are looked down upon by most other races, this only came up once in the actual show: in "Pet Wars", when Lloyd responds to a customer's complaints about how Eddie treats her pet by [[FantasticRacism implying his behavior derives from him being]] [[HumansAreBastards a human]]. Not only does this never come up again within the episode itself (despite Eddie being in earshot, he apparently had no issue with ''one of his best friends'' painting him as violent simply for being human) but the show never addresses Lloyd's apparent willingness to buy into anti-human sentiments when it suits him. Probably [[JustifiedTrope justified]] by Eddie having a Caucasian appearance but still; it would have been a good lesson to have it pointed out that "if you're making a blanket statement about someone based on anything that isn't them personally, that's prejudiced at best and racist at worst and you need to check your biases".
** The body-swap episode could have been better if it was Lloyd and Nora, rather than Francine. Francine got a ''lot'' of episodes in the second season, and in the show in general, and it would have been much more interesting to see Lloyd dealing with running an entire space station and also dealing with Larry, while Nora has to deal with Lloyd's daily plights, which could have her realize that the things her son complains about are not as small and meaningless as she originally thought. The aesop this time around could involve the simple fact that Nora's life and job ''is'' in fact harder than Lloyd's, but that doesn't mean her son's complaining isn't valid and not worth looking into.
*** And on the topic of body-swap episodes and the ilk, this show could have done a ''species swap'' episode fairly well. It'd be funny to have it be between Lloyd and Eddie considering Eddie's {{Token Human}} status and show how similar and different the two species are, since Verdigrians appear to be the most human-shaped species on the show when compared to other species like Kurt's or Douglas'.
** The body-swap episode could have been better if it was Lloyd and Nora, rather than Francine. Francine got a ''lot'' of episodes in the second season, and in the show in general, and it would have been much more interesting to see Lloyd dealing with running an entire space station and also dealing with Larry, while Nora has to deal with Lloyd's daily plights, which could have her realize that the things her son complains about are not as small and meaningless as she originally thought. The aesop this time around could involve the simple fact that Nora's life and job ''is'' in fact harder than Lloyd's, but that doesn't mean her son's complaining isn't valid and not worth looking into.
*** And on the topic of body-swap episodes and the ilk, this show could have done a ''species swap'' episode fairly well. It'd be funny to have it be between Lloyd and Eddie considering Eddie's {{Token Human}} status and show how similar and different the two species are, since Verdigrians appear to be the most human-shaped species on the show when compared to other species like Kurt's or Douglas'.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Despite the webtoons that implied humans are looked down upon by most other races, this only came up once in the actual show: in "Pet Wars", when Lloyd responds to a customer's complaints about how Eddie treats her pet by [[FantasticRacism implying his behavior derives from him being]] [[HumansAreBastards a human]]. Not only does this never come up again within the episode itself (despite Eddie being in earshot, he apparently had no issue with ''one of his best friends'' painting him as violent simply for being human) but the show never addresses Lloyd's apparent willingness to buy into anti-human sentiments when it suits him. Probably [[JustifiedTrope justified]] by Eddie having a Caucasian appearance but still; it would have been a good lesson to have it pointed out that "if you're making a blanket statement about someone based on anything that isn't them personally, that's prejudiced at best and racist at worst and you need to check your biases".
** The body-swap episode could have been better if it was Lloyd and Nora, rather than Francine. Francine got a ''lot'' of episodes in the second season, and in the show in general, and it would have been much more interesting to see Lloyd dealing with running an entire space station and also dealing with Larry, while Nora has to deal with Lloyd's daily plights, which could have her realize that the things her son complains about are not as small and meaningless as she originally thought. The aesop this time around could involve the simple fact that Nora's life and job ''is'' in fact harder than Lloyd's, but that doesn't mean her son's complaining isn't valid and not worth looking into.
*** And on the topic of body-swap episodes and the ilk, this show could have done a ''species swap'' episode fairly well. It'd be funny to have it be between Lloyd and Eddie considering Eddie's {{Token Human}} status and show how similar and different the two species are, since Verdigrians appear to be the most human-shaped species on the show when compared to other species like Kurt's or Douglas'.biases"..
** The body-swap episode could have been better if it was Lloyd and Nora, rather than Francine. Francine got a ''lot'' of episodes in the second season, and in the show in general, and it would have been much more interesting to see Lloyd dealing with running an entire space station and also dealing with Larry, while Nora has to deal with Lloyd's daily plights, which could have her realize that the things her son complains about are not as small and meaningless as she originally thought. The aesop this time around could involve the simple fact that Nora's life and job ''is'' in fact harder than Lloyd's, but that doesn't mean her son's complaining isn't valid and not worth looking into.
*** And on the topic of body-swap episodes and the ilk, this show could have done a ''species swap'' episode fairly well. It'd be funny to have it be between Lloyd and Eddie considering Eddie's {{Token Human}} status and show how similar and different the two species are, since Verdigrians appear to be the most human-shaped species on the show when compared to other species like Kurt's or Douglas'.
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** By the end of the HalloweenEpisode, is Lloyd genuinely happy he gets to take Francine trick-or-treating after he spent what he thought was decades lamenting he'd never see his family again? Or was he trying to keep Francine happy out of fear of whatever else she might do to him after the MindRape she pulled on him and the others?
** By the end of the HalloweenEpisode, is Lloyd genuinely happy he gets to take Francine trick-or-treating after he spent what he thought was decades lamenting he'd never see his family again? Or was he trying to keep Francine happy out of fear of whatever else she might do to him after the MindRape she pulled on him and the others?
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**AlternateCharacterInterpretation: By the end of the HalloweenEpisode, is Lloyd genuinely happy he gets to take Francine trick-or-treating after he spent what he thought was decades lamenting he'd never see his family again? Or was he trying to keep Francine happy out of fear of whatever else she might do to him after the MindRape she pulled on him and the others?others?
** The episode in question is probably non-canonical, as most Halloween episodes are. There are far too many unanswered questions and moral dilemmas involved that Lloyd and the others would absolutely mention it on a constant basis in other episodes, even if there were only three episodes left to air. Like a 'Hey guys, remember when we spent 60 years in an abandoned space station and you three all tried to hunt me down?' would constantly be said, plus Lloyd would probably distrust his friends following that, but it's clear he doesn't. The episode straight after that, 'Day One', shows how he met his friends and the fact that he was willing to risk a LOT just to get them back to the way they were following time travel shenanigans. If I were Lloyd, I would most likely MAJORLY distrust them following that and if given the opportunity to be with the popular kids vs three people who actively hunted me down for the last 'mental 60 years', I would probably choose the popular kids. But yeah, the Lloyd in this clearly non-canonical story could be doing either, maybe a mix of both.
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** The episode in question is probably non-canonical, as most Halloween episodes are. There are far too many unanswered questions and moral dilemmas involved that Lloyd and the others would absolutely mention it on a constant basis in other episodes, even if there were only three episodes left to air. Like a 'Hey guys, remember when we spent 60 years in an abandoned space station and you three all tried to hunt me down?' would constantly be said, plus Lloyd would probably distrust his friends following that, but it's clear he doesn't. The episode straight after that, 'Day One', shows how he met his friends and the fact that he was willing to risk a LOT just to get them back to the way they were following time travel shenanigans. If I were Lloyd, I would most likely MAJORLY distrust them following that and if given the opportunity to be with the popular kids vs three people who actively hunted me down for the last 'mental 60 years', I would probably choose the popular kids. But yeah, the Lloyd in this clearly non-canonical story could be doing either, maybe a mix of both.
* HilariousInHindsight: An eye-shaped robot with a British accent that is a bit ditzy. This [[VideoGame/Portal2 sounds familiar...]]
* TheScrappy: Francine, Lloyd's bratty younger sister, is often hated for being a BrattyHalfPint who uses her powers to terrorize Lloyd and his friends. Not helping is how she rarely has to learn lessons about being nice to Lloyd, whereas he's frequently learning them about being nice to his little sister. Fans of this well-forgotten show view the scene where Francine overhears Lloyd wishing she'd never been born as LaserGuidedKarma instead of the MyGodWhatHaveIDone for Lloyd it's shown as.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Despite the webtoons implying humans are looked down upon by most other races, this only came up once in the actual show: in "Pet Wars", when Lloyd responds to a customer's complaints about how Eddie treats her pet by implying his behavior derives from him being [[HumansAreBastards a human]]. This never comes up again within the episode itself (despite Eddie being in earshot, he apparently had no issue with one of his best friends painting him as violent simply for being human), and the show never addresses Lloyd's apparent willingness to buy into anti-human sentiments when it suits him.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Despite the webtoons implying that implied humans are looked down upon by most other races, this only came up once in the actual show: in "Pet Wars", when Lloyd responds to a customer's complaints about how Eddie treats her pet by [[FantasticRacism implying his behavior derives from him being being]] [[HumansAreBastards a human]]. This Not only does this never comes come up again within the episode itself (despite Eddie being in earshot, he apparently had no issue with one ''one of his best friends friends'' painting him as violent simply for being human), and human) but the show never addresses Lloyd's apparent willingness to buy into anti-human sentiments when it suits him.him. Probably [[JustifiedTrope justified]] by Eddie having a Caucasian appearance but still; it would have been a good lesson to have it pointed out that "if you're making a blanket statement about someone based on anything that isn't them personally, that's prejudiced at best and racist at worst and you need to check your biases".
** The body-swap episode could have been better if it was Lloyd and Nora, rather than Francine. Francine got a ''lot'' of episodes in the second season, and in the show in general, and it would have been much more interesting to see Lloyd dealing with running an entire space station and also dealing with Larry, while Nora has to deal with Lloyd's daily plights, which could have her realize that the things her son complains about are not as small and meaningless as she originally thought. The aesop this time around could involve the simple fact that Nora's life and job ''is'' in fact harder than Lloyd's, but that doesn't mean her son's complaining isn't valid and not worth looking into.
*** And on the topic of body-swap episodes and the ilk, this show could have done a ''species swap'' episode fairly well. It'd be funny to have it be between Lloyd and Eddie considering Eddie's {{Token Human}} status and show how similar and different the two species are, since Verdigrians appear to be the most human-shaped species on the show when compared to other species like Kurt's or Douglas'.
** The body-swap episode could have been better if it was Lloyd and Nora, rather than Francine. Francine got a ''lot'' of episodes in the second season, and in the show in general, and it would have been much more interesting to see Lloyd dealing with running an entire space station and also dealing with Larry, while Nora has to deal with Lloyd's daily plights, which could have her realize that the things her son complains about are not as small and meaningless as she originally thought. The aesop this time around could involve the simple fact that Nora's life and job ''is'' in fact harder than Lloyd's, but that doesn't mean her son's complaining isn't valid and not worth looking into.
*** And on the topic of body-swap episodes and the ilk, this show could have done a ''species swap'' episode fairly well. It'd be funny to have it be between Lloyd and Eddie considering Eddie's {{Token Human}} status and show how similar and different the two species are, since Verdigrians appear to be the most human-shaped species on the show when compared to other species like Kurt's or Douglas'.
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** The basic concept of "One Day", the core four of the series never becoming friends, is already pretty depressing but the fact that Rodney, Lloyd's best friend in the altered timeline, greets Lloyd by implying that the pair of them routinely beat up "dorks" itself implies that alt!Eddie possibly isn't just timid by nature; it's possible that he was ''actively afraid'' of Lloyd because in the altered timeline, Lloyd assaulted him at least once.
** The infamous scene between Nora and Lloyd during the pilot is ''painful'' to watch. Unlike episodes such as 'Nora's Big Date', Nora doesn't even ''try'' to get Lloyd's side of the story and either believes that Lloyd was the root cause of everything, when he was not, or knows he wasn't and still punishes him anyway, which is worse. She's cold, doesn't give Lloyd a chance to explain himself and even threatens to increase his punishment when he tries to. The ending isn't that better either. Lloyd ''saved'' Francine's preschool from her psychic temper tantrum, which she receives ''NO'' punishments for, and the best he gets from Nora is chiding about him disobeying her orders and wise cracks. The least they could have done is have them talk it out and have Nora realize that she really ''was'' being unfair.
** The infamous scene between Nora and Lloyd during the pilot is ''painful'' to watch. Unlike episodes such as 'Nora's Big Date', Nora doesn't even ''try'' to get Lloyd's side of the story and either believes that Lloyd was the root cause of everything, when he was not, or knows he wasn't and still punishes him anyway, which is worse. She's cold, doesn't give Lloyd a chance to explain himself and even threatens to increase his punishment when he tries to. The ending isn't that better either. Lloyd ''saved'' Francine's preschool from her psychic temper tantrum, which she receives ''NO'' punishments for, and the best he gets from Nora is chiding about him disobeying her orders and wise cracks. The least they could have done is have them talk it out and have Nora realize that she really ''was'' being unfair.
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** The basic concept of "One Day", the core four of the series never becoming friends, is already pretty depressing but the fact that Rodney, Lloyd's best friend in the altered timeline, greets Lloyd by implying that the pair of them routinely beat up "dorks" itself implies that alt!Eddie alt Eddie possibly isn't just timid by nature; it's possible that he was ''actively afraid'' of Lloyd because in the altered timeline, Lloyd assaulted him at least once.
** The infamous scene between Nora and Lloyd during the pilot is ''painful'' to watch. Unlike episodes such as 'Nora's Big Date', Nora doesn't even ''try'' to get Lloyd's side of the story and either believes that Lloyd was the root cause of everything, when he was not, or knows he wasn't and still punishes him anyway, which is worse. She's cold, doesn't give Lloyd a chance to explain himself and even threatens to increase his punishment when he tries to. The ending isn't that better either. Lloyd ''saved'' Francine's preschool from her psychic temper tantrum, which she receives ''NO'' punishments for, and the best he gets from Nora is chiding about him disobeying her orders and wise cracks. The least they could have done is have them talk it out and have Nora realize that she really ''was'' being unfair.once.
** The infamous scene between Nora and Lloyd during the pilot is ''painful'' to watch. Unlike episodes such as 'Nora's Big Date', Nora doesn't even ''try'' to get Lloyd's side of the story and either believes that Lloyd was the root cause of everything, when he was not, or knows he wasn't and still punishes him anyway, which is worse. She's cold, doesn't give Lloyd a chance to explain himself and even threatens to increase his punishment when he tries to. The ending isn't that better either. Lloyd ''saved'' Francine's preschool from her psychic temper tantrum, which she receives ''NO'' punishments for, and the best he gets from Nora is chiding about him disobeying her orders and wise cracks. The least they could have done is have them talk it out and have Nora realize that she really ''was'' being unfair.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Despite the webtoons that implied humans are looked down upon by most other races, this only came up once in the actual show: in "Pet Wars", when Lloyd responds to a customer's complaints about how Eddie treats her pet by [[FantasticRacism implying his behavior derives from him being]] [[HumansAreBastards a human]]. Not only does this never come up again within the episode itself (despite Eddie being in earshot, he apparently had no issue with ''one of his best friends'' painting him as violent simply for being human) but the show never addresses Lloyd's apparent willingness to buy into anti-human sentiments when it suits him. Probably [[JustifiedTrope justified]] by Eddie having a Caucasian appearance but still; it would have been a good lesson to have it pointed out that "if you're making a blanket statement about someone based on anything that isn't them personally, that's prejudiced at best and racist at worst and you need to check your biases".
** The body-swap episode could have been better if it was Lloyd and Nora, rather than Francine. Francine got a ''lot'' of episodes in the second season, and in the show in general, and it would have been much more interesting to see Lloyd dealing with running an entire space station and also dealing with Larry, while Nora has to deal with Lloyd's daily plights, which could have her realize that the things her son complains about are not as small and meaningless as she originally thought. The aesop this time around could involve the simple fact that Nora's life and job ''is'' in fact harder than Lloyd's, but that doesn't mean her son's complaining isn't valid and not worth looking into.
*** And on the topic of body-swap episodes and the ilk, this show could have done a ''species swap'' episode fairly well. It'd be funny to have it be between Lloyd and Eddie considering Eddie's {{Token Human}} status and show how similar and different the two species are, since Verdigrians appear to be the most human-shaped species on the show when compared to other species like Kurt's or Douglas'.
** The body-swap episode could have been better if it was Lloyd and Nora, rather than Francine. Francine got a ''lot'' of episodes in the second season, and in the show in general, and it would have been much more interesting to see Lloyd dealing with running an entire space station and also dealing with Larry, while Nora has to deal with Lloyd's daily plights, which could have her realize that the things her son complains about are not as small and meaningless as she originally thought. The aesop this time around could involve the simple fact that Nora's life and job ''is'' in fact harder than Lloyd's, but that doesn't mean her son's complaining isn't valid and not worth looking into.
*** And on the topic of body-swap episodes and the ilk, this show could have done a ''species swap'' episode fairly well. It'd be funny to have it be between Lloyd and Eddie considering Eddie's {{Token Human}} status and show how similar and different the two species are, since Verdigrians appear to be the most human-shaped species on the show when compared to other species like Kurt's or Douglas'.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Despite the webtoons that implied implying humans are looked down upon by most other races, this only came up once in the actual show: in "Pet Wars", when Lloyd responds to a customer's complaints about how Eddie treats her pet by [[FantasticRacism implying his behavior derives from him being]] being [[HumansAreBastards a human]]. Not only does this This never come comes up again within the episode itself (despite Eddie being in earshot, he apparently had no issue with ''one one of his best friends'' friends painting him as violent simply for being human) but human), and the show never addresses Lloyd's apparent willingness to buy into anti-human sentiments when it suits him. Probably [[JustifiedTrope justified]] by Eddie having a Caucasian appearance but still; it would have been a good lesson to have it pointed out that "if you're making a blanket statement about someone based on anything that isn't them personally, that's prejudiced at best and racist at worst and you need to check your biases".
** The body-swap episode could have been better if it was Lloyd and Nora, rather than Francine. Francine got a ''lot'' of episodes in the second season, and in the show in general, and it would have been much more interesting to see Lloyd dealing with running an entire space station and also dealing with Larry, while Nora has to deal with Lloyd's daily plights, which could have her realize that the things her son complains about are not as small and meaningless as she originally thought. The aesop this time around could involve the simple fact that Nora's life and job ''is'' in fact harder than Lloyd's, but that doesn't mean her son's complaining isn't valid and not worth looking into.
*** And on the topic of body-swap episodes and the ilk, this show could have done a ''species swap'' episode fairly well. It'd be funny to have it be between Lloyd and Eddie considering Eddie's {{Token Human}} status and show how similar and different the two species are, since Verdigrians appear to be the most human-shaped species on the show when compared to other species like Kurt's or Douglas'.him.
** The body-swap episode could have been better if it was Lloyd and Nora, rather than Francine. Francine got a ''lot'' of episodes in the second season, and in the show in general, and it would have been much more interesting to see Lloyd dealing with running an entire space station and also dealing with Larry, while Nora has to deal with Lloyd's daily plights, which could have her realize that the things her son complains about are not as small and meaningless as she originally thought. The aesop this time around could involve the simple fact that Nora's life and job ''is'' in fact harder than Lloyd's, but that doesn't mean her son's complaining isn't valid and not worth looking into.
*** And on the topic of body-swap episodes and the ilk, this show could have done a ''species swap'' episode fairly well. It'd be funny to have it be between Lloyd and Eddie considering Eddie's {{Token Human}} status and show how similar and different the two species are, since Verdigrians appear to be the most human-shaped species on the show when compared to other species like Kurt's or Douglas'.
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* TheScrappy: Francine, Lloyd's bratty younger sister, is often hated for being a BrattyHalfPint who uses her powers to terrorize Lloyd and his friends. Not helping is how she rarely has to learn lessons about being nice to Lloyd, whereas he's frequently learning them about being nice to his little sister. Fans of this well-forgotten show view the scene where Francine overhears Lloyd wishing she'd never been born as LaserGuidedKarma instead of the MyGodWhatHaveIDone for Lloyd it's shown as.
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* HilariousInHindsight: An eye-shaped robot with a British accent that is a bit ditzy. This [[VideoGame/Portal2 sounds familiar...]]
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*** To be fair, it's implied in 'Day One' that Eddie has a lot of insecurities without Lloyd or the others around, so it begs the question regarding if he acts the way he does because he looks up to Lloyd (Who is the ''Commander's son'') and wants Lloyd to think that he's cool and not a self-insecure dork, disregarding the fact that their entire group is practically known as the 'dork group'. He merely goes overboard in his actions in order to maintain that reputation, unaware that Lloyd will still like him regardless of how he acts and that there's such a thing as going too far.
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"To be fair".
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: By the end of the HalloweenEpisode, is Lloyd genuinely happy he gets to take Francine trick-or-treating after he spent what he thought was decades lamenting he'd never see his family again? Or was he trying to keep Francine happy out of fear of whatever else she might do to him after the MindRape she pulled on him and the others?
** To be fair, the episode in question is probably non-canonical, as most Halloween episodes are. There are far too many unanswered questions and moral dilemmas involved that Lloyd and the others would absolutely mention it on a constant basis in other episodes, even if there were only three episodes left to air. Like a 'Hey guys, remember when we spent 60 years in an abandoned space station and you three all tried to hunt me down?' would constantly be said, plus Lloyd would probably distrust his friends following that, but it's clear he doesn't. The episode straight after that, 'Day One', shows how he met his friends and the fact that he was willing to risk a LOT just to get them back to the way they were following time travel shenanigans. If I were Lloyd, I would most likely MAJORLY distrust them following that and if given the opportunity to be with the popular kids vs three people who actively hunted me down for the last 'mental 60 years', I would probably choose the popular kids. But yeah, the Lloyd in this clearly non-canonical story could be doing either, maybe a mix of both.
** To be fair, the episode in question is probably non-canonical, as most Halloween episodes are. There are far too many unanswered questions and moral dilemmas involved that Lloyd and the others would absolutely mention it on a constant basis in other episodes, even if there were only three episodes left to air. Like a 'Hey guys, remember when we spent 60 years in an abandoned space station and you three all tried to hunt me down?' would constantly be said, plus Lloyd would probably distrust his friends following that, but it's clear he doesn't. The episode straight after that, 'Day One', shows how he met his friends and the fact that he was willing to risk a LOT just to get them back to the way they were following time travel shenanigans. If I were Lloyd, I would most likely MAJORLY distrust them following that and if given the opportunity to be with the popular kids vs three people who actively hunted me down for the last 'mental 60 years', I would probably choose the popular kids. But yeah, the Lloyd in this clearly non-canonical story could be doing either, maybe a mix of both.
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** By the end of the HalloweenEpisode, is Lloyd genuinely happy he gets to take Francine trick-or-treating after he spent what he thought was decades lamenting he'd never see his family again? Or was he trying to keep Francine happy out of fear of whatever else she might do to him after the MindRape she pulled on him and theothers?
** To be fair, the episode in question is probably non-canonical, as most Halloween episodes are. There are far too many unanswered questions and moral dilemmas involved that Lloyd and the others would absolutely mention it on a constant basis in other episodes, even if there were only three episodes left to air. Like a 'Hey guys, remember when we spent 60 years in an abandoned space station and you three all tried to hunt me down?' would constantly be said, plus Lloyd would probably distrust his friends following that, but it's clear he doesn't. The episode straight after that, 'Day One', shows how he met his friends and the fact that he was willing to risk a LOT just to get them back to the way they were following time travel shenanigans. If I were Lloyd, I would most likely MAJORLY distrust them following that and if given the opportunity to be with the popular kids vs three people who actively hunted me down for the last 'mental 60 years', I would probably choose the popular kids. But yeah, the Lloyd in this clearly non-canonical story could be doing either, maybe a mix of both.others?
** By the end of the HalloweenEpisode, is Lloyd genuinely happy he gets to take Francine trick-or-treating after he spent what he thought was decades lamenting he'd never see his family again? Or was he trying to keep Francine happy out of fear of whatever else she might do to him after the MindRape she pulled on him and the
** To be fair, the episode in question is probably non-canonical, as most Halloween episodes are. There are far too many unanswered questions and moral dilemmas involved that Lloyd and the others would absolutely mention it on a constant basis in other episodes, even if there were only three episodes left to air. Like a 'Hey guys, remember when we spent 60 years in an abandoned space station and you three all tried to hunt me down?' would constantly be said, plus Lloyd would probably distrust his friends following that, but it's clear he doesn't. The episode straight after that, 'Day One', shows how he met his friends and the fact that he was willing to risk a LOT just to get them back to the way they were following time travel shenanigans. If I were Lloyd, I would most likely MAJORLY distrust them following that and if given the opportunity to be with the popular kids vs three people who actively hunted me down for the last 'mental 60 years', I would probably choose the popular kids. But yeah, the Lloyd in this clearly non-canonical story could be doing either, maybe a mix of both.
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* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: In 'Campout On Zoltan III', despite their species' ongoing feud with each other, a feud that they readily joined in on, Douglas' and Kurt's fathers don't appear to have an issue with one another. While they may have been putting it to the side for their sons' sakes, 'Campout on Zoltan III' was a season one episode, while 'The Big Feud' was a season four episode. Since the crew would have no way of knowing that they'd reach four seasons, the Blobbulon and Cerebellian feud most likely wasn't even a concept at the time of production.
** Nora seems a lot more strict on Lloyd in the first episode, and while it can be justified in regards to Lloyd's 'actions', she doesn't even give him the chance to explain himself. 'Actions' is used in air quotes considering that MOST of Lloyd's mistakes in the episode were complete accidents outside of his control, most of which he was pushed into by actual ''adults'', none of who Nora turns her ire towards in any way. She doesn't even admit that they were accidents or say sorry for jumping the gun, nor does she ever confront Frank for ''giving Lloyd the controls to his police cruiser.'' Considering how Nora acts in other episodes, giving valid reasons for why she acts the way she does, it's surprising that Lloyd and she don't have that kind of talk here, merely brushing it to the side with 'yeah you disobeyed my orders, but since it was for a 'good reason' I can't do anything about it'. It would have benefitted the episode GREATLY from the dumpster fire it is if Lloyd and she had a talk similar to the one they had in 'Nora's Big Date'. If she owned up to HER mistakes and admitted she jumped the gun and didn't think rationally about the situation and how much at fault Lloyd truly was, it could have given Lloyd a lesson on what it REALLY means to be not just a man, but an ADULT; Owning to your mistakes. Regardless of what could have been, this is Nora's weakest moment in the series. If not for the Halloween episode, this might be the weakest episode overall in the show with how flimsy and unthought-out it is.
** Nora seems a lot more strict on Lloyd in the first episode, and while it can be justified in regards to Lloyd's 'actions', she doesn't even give him the chance to explain himself. 'Actions' is used in air quotes considering that MOST of Lloyd's mistakes in the episode were complete accidents outside of his control, most of which he was pushed into by actual ''adults'', none of who Nora turns her ire towards in any way. She doesn't even admit that they were accidents or say sorry for jumping the gun, nor does she ever confront Frank for ''giving Lloyd the controls to his police cruiser.'' Considering how Nora acts in other episodes, giving valid reasons for why she acts the way she does, it's surprising that Lloyd and she don't have that kind of talk here, merely brushing it to the side with 'yeah you disobeyed my orders, but since it was for a 'good reason' I can't do anything about it'. It would have benefitted the episode GREATLY from the dumpster fire it is if Lloyd and she had a talk similar to the one they had in 'Nora's Big Date'. If she owned up to HER mistakes and admitted she jumped the gun and didn't think rationally about the situation and how much at fault Lloyd truly was, it could have given Lloyd a lesson on what it REALLY means to be not just a man, but an ADULT; Owning to your mistakes. Regardless of what could have been, this is Nora's weakest moment in the series. If not for the Halloween episode, this might be the weakest episode overall in the show with how flimsy and unthought-out it is.
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* FridgeBrilliance: The name Horton means 'dirt' or 'mud'. This could reference Eddie being the {{Token Human}}, whose homeplanet just so happens to be covered in quite a lot of dirt and mud. If the show ever went full into the depths of {{Fantastic Racism}} with humans, it could also show how to some people, Eddie's kind is seen as equal to or lesser than dirt.
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*** And on the topic of body-swap episodes and the ilk, this show could have done a ''species swap'' episode fairly well. It'd be funny to have it be between Lloyd and Eddie considering Eddie's {{Token Human}} status and how similar and different the two species are, since Verdigrians appear to be the most human-shaped species on the show when compared to other species like Kurt's or Douglas'.
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*** And on the topic of body-swap episodes and the ilk, this show could have done a ''species swap'' episode fairly well. It'd be funny to have it be between Lloyd and Eddie considering Eddie's {{Token Human}} status and show how similar and different the two species are, since Verdigrians appear to be the most human-shaped species on the show when compared to other species like Kurt's or Douglas'.
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*** And on the topic of body-swap episodes and the ilk, this show could have done a ''species swap'' episode fairly well. It'd be funny to have it be between Lloyd and Eddie considering Eddie's {{Token Human}} status and how similar and different the two species are, since Verdigrians appear to be the most human-shaped species on the show when compared to other species like Kurt's or Douglas'.
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** The body-swap episode could have been better if it was Lloyd and Nora, rather than Francine. Francine got a ''lot'' of episodes in the second season, and in the show in general, and it would have been much more interesting to see Lloyd dealing with running an entire space station and also dealing with Larry, while Nora has to deal with Lloyd's daily plights, which could have her realize that the things her son complains about are not as small and meaningless as she originally thought. The aesop this time around could involve the simple fact that Nora's life and job ''is'' in fact harder than Lloyd's, but that doesn't mean her son's complaining isn't valid and not worth looking into.
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** The infamous scene between Nora and Lloyd during the pilot is ''painful'' to watch. Unlike episodes such as 'Nora's Big Date', Nora doesn't even ''try'' to get Lloyd's side of the story and either believes that Lloyd was the root cause of everything, when he was not, or knows he wasn't and still punishes him anyway, which is worse. She's cold, doesn't give Lloyd a chance to explain himself and even threatens to increase his punishment when he tries to. The ending isn't that better either. Lloyd ''saved'' Francine's preschool from her psychic temper tantrum, which she receives ''NO'' punishments for, and the best he gets from Nora is chiding about him disobeying her orders and wise cracks. The least they could have done is have them talk it out and have Nora realize that she really ''was'' being unfair.
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** Is Lloyd asking if he's grounded in 'Nora's Big Date' just him being a child knowing they screwed up and expecting to be scolded for it, or him being a child who was once ''grounded for a month'' on his ''birthday'' for things that arguably weren't even his fault? She wouldn't even let him explain himself without threatening to make it ''TWO'' months instead. In the latter case, it's no wonder that he never tried to talk to his mother beforehand about his feelings involving Herb.
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** Is Lloyd asking if he's grounded in 'Nora's Big Date' just him being a child knowing they screwed up and expecting to be scolded for it, or him being a child who was once ''grounded for a month'' on his ''birthday'' for things that arguably weren't even his fault? She Nora wouldn't even let him explain himself without threatening to make it ''TWO'' months instead. In the latter case, it's no wonder that he never tried to talk to his mother beforehand about his feelings involving Herb.
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** Is Lloyd asking if he's grounded in 'Nora's Big Date' just him being a child knowing they screwed up and expecting to be scolded for it, or him being a child who was once ''grounded for a month'' on his ''birthday'' for things that arguably weren't even his fault? She wouldn't even let him explain himself without threatening to make it ''TWO'' months instead.
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** Is Lloyd asking if he's grounded in 'Nora's Big Date' just him being a child knowing they screwed up and expecting to be scolded for it, or him being a child who was once ''grounded for a month'' on his ''birthday'' for things that arguably weren't even his fault? She wouldn't even let him explain himself without threatening to make it ''TWO'' months instead. In the latter case, it's no wonder that he never tried to talk to his mother beforehand about his feelings involving Herb.
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** Is it any surprise that Lloyd automatically assumes he's grounded in 'Nora's Big Date', considering how ''cold'' his mom was to him in the pilot episode and how she grounded him for a month for things that arguably weren't even his fault? She wouldn't even let him explain himself without threatening to make it ''TWO'' months instead.
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** Is it any surprise that Lloyd automatically assumes asking if he's grounded in 'Nora's Big Date', considering how ''cold'' his mom Date' just him being a child knowing they screwed up and expecting to be scolded for it, or him being a child who was to him in the pilot episode and how she grounded him once ''grounded for a month month'' on his ''birthday'' for things that arguably weren't even his fault? She wouldn't even let him explain himself without threatening to make it ''TWO'' months instead. instead.
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** Is it any surprise that Lloyd automatically assumes he's grounded in 'Nora's Big Date', considering how ''cold'' his mom was to him in the pilot episode and how she grounded him for a month for things that arguably weren't even his fault? She wouldn't even let him explain himself without threatening to make it ''TWO'' months instead.
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* HoYay: Lloyd and Eddie, sometimes with their friendship seeming like a romance with Eddie as a bad influence. Douglas and Kurt also get this too, especially in the FeudEpisode, which has some unfortunate parallels to ''Theatre/RomeoAndJuliet''.
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* HoYay: Lloyd and Eddie, sometimes with their friendship seeming like a romance with Eddie as a bad influence. Some fans ''especially'' seem to think this. Douglas and Kurt also get this too, especially in the FeudEpisode, which has some unfortunate parallels to ''Theatre/RomeoAndJuliet''.
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** Is Eddie really as cocky as he puts himself out to be... or is he only making himself act cool in order to make Lloyd like him, who is the COMMANDER'S son? (A fact that is never really brought up in show)
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** Nora seems a lot more strict on Lloyd in the first episode, and while it can be justified in regards to Lloyd's 'actions', she doesn't even give him the chance to explain himself. 'Actions' is used in air quotes considering that MOST of Lloyd's mistakes in the episode were complete accidents outside of his control and/or he was pushed into. She doesn't even admit that they were accidents or say sorry for jumping the gun, nor does she ever confront Frank for ''giving Lloyd the controls to his police cruiser.'' Considering how Nora acts in other episodes, giving valid reasons for why she acts the way she does, it's surprising that Lloyd and she don't have that kind of talk here, merely brushing it to the side with 'yeah you disobeyed my orders, but since it was for a 'good reason' I can't do anything about it'. It would have benefitted the episode GREATLY from the dumpster fire it is if Lloyd and she had a talk similar to the one they had in 'Nora's Big Date'. If she owned up to HER mistakes and admitted she jumped the gun and didn't think rationally about the situation and how much at fault Lloyd truly was, it could have given Lloyd a lesson on what it REALLY means to be not just a man, but an ADULT; Owning to your mistakes. Regardless of what could have been, this is Nora's weakest moment in the series. If not for the Halloween episode, this might be the weakest episode overall in the show with how flimsy and unthought-out it is.
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** Nora seems a lot more strict on Lloyd in the first episode, and while it can be justified in regards to Lloyd's 'actions', she doesn't even give him the chance to explain himself. 'Actions' is used in air quotes considering that MOST of Lloyd's mistakes in the episode were complete accidents outside of his control and/or control, most of which he was pushed into.into by actual ''adults'', none of who Nora turns her ire towards in any way. She doesn't even admit that they were accidents or say sorry for jumping the gun, nor does she ever confront Frank for ''giving Lloyd the controls to his police cruiser.'' Considering how Nora acts in other episodes, giving valid reasons for why she acts the way she does, it's surprising that Lloyd and she don't have that kind of talk here, merely brushing it to the side with 'yeah you disobeyed my orders, but since it was for a 'good reason' I can't do anything about it'. It would have benefitted the episode GREATLY from the dumpster fire it is if Lloyd and she had a talk similar to the one they had in 'Nora's Big Date'. If she owned up to HER mistakes and admitted she jumped the gun and didn't think rationally about the situation and how much at fault Lloyd truly was, it could have given Lloyd a lesson on what it REALLY means to be not just a man, but an ADULT; Owning to your mistakes. Regardless of what could have been, this is Nora's weakest moment in the series. If not for the Halloween episode, this might be the weakest episode overall in the show with how flimsy and unthought-out it is.
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*** To be fair, it's implied in 'Day One' that Eddie has a lot of insecurities without Lloyd or the others around, so it begs the question regarding if he acts the way he does because he looks up to Lloyd (Who is the ''Commander's son'') and wants Lloyd to think that he's cool and not a self-insecure dork, disregarding the fact that their entire group is practically the 'dork group. He merely goes overboard in his actions in order to maintain that reputation, unaware that Lloyd will still like him regardless of how he acts and that there's such a thing as going too far.
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*** To be fair, it's implied in 'Day One' that Eddie has a lot of insecurities without Lloyd or the others around, so it begs the question regarding if he acts the way he does because he looks up to Lloyd (Who is the ''Commander's son'') and wants Lloyd to think that he's cool and not a self-insecure dork, disregarding the fact that their entire group is practically known as the 'dork group.group'. He merely goes overboard in his actions in order to maintain that reputation, unaware that Lloyd will still like him regardless of how he acts and that there's such a thing as going too far.
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*** To be fair, it's implied in 'Day One' that Eddie has a lot of insecurities without Lloyd or the others around, so it begs the question regarding if he acts the way he does because he looks up to Lloyd (Who is the ''Commander's son'') and wants Lloyd to think that he's cool and not a self-insecure dork, disregarding the fact that their entire group is practically the 'dork group. He merely goes overboard in his actions in order to maintain that reputation, unaware that Lloyd will still like him regardless of how he acts and that there's such a thing as going too far.
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** Nora seems a lot more strict on Lloyd in the first episode, and while it can be justified in regards to Lloyd's 'actions', she doesn't even give him the chance to explain himself. 'Actions' is used in air quotes considering that MOST of Lloyd's mistakes in the episode were complete accidents outside of his control and/or he was pushed into. She doesn't even admit that they were accidents or say sorry for jumping the gun, nor does she ever confront Frank for ''giving Lloyd the controls to his police cruiser.'' Considering how Nora acts in other episodes, giving valid reasons for why she acts the way she does, it's surprising that Lloyd and she don't have that kind of talk here, merely brushing it to the side with 'yeah you disobeyed my orders, but since it was for a 'good reason' I can't do anything about it'. It would have benefitted the episode GREATLY from the dumpster fire it is if Lloyd and she had a talk similar to the one they had in 'Nora's Big Date'. If she owned up to HER mistakes and admitted she jumped the gun and didn't think rationally about the situation and how much at fault Lloyd truly was, it could have given Lloyd a lesson on what it REALLY means to be not just a man, but an ADULT; Owning to your mistakes. Regardless of what could have been, this is Nora's weakest moment in the series.
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** Nora seems a lot more strict on Lloyd in the first episode, and while it can be justified in regards to Lloyd's 'actions', she doesn't even give him the chance to explain himself. 'Actions' is used in air quotes considering that MOST of Lloyd's mistakes in the episode were complete accidents outside of his control and/or he was pushed into. She doesn't even admit that they were accidents or say sorry for jumping the gun, nor does she ever confront Frank for ''giving Lloyd the controls to his police cruiser.'' Considering how Nora acts in other episodes, giving valid reasons for why she acts the way she does, it's surprising that Lloyd and she don't have that kind of talk here, merely brushing it to the side with 'yeah you disobeyed my orders, but since it was for a 'good reason' I can't do anything about it'. It would have benefitted the episode GREATLY from the dumpster fire it is if Lloyd and she had a talk similar to the one they had in 'Nora's Big Date'. If she owned up to HER mistakes and admitted she jumped the gun and didn't think rationally about the situation and how much at fault Lloyd truly was, it could have given Lloyd a lesson on what it REALLY means to be not just a man, but an ADULT; Owning to your mistakes. Regardless of what could have been, this is Nora's weakest moment in the series. If not for the Halloween episode, this might be the weakest episode overall in the show with how flimsy and unthought-out it is.
