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* VillainDecay: King Belar went from {{Complete Monster}} to a joke that the Maou tribe doesn't take seriously anymore.

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* VillainDecay: King Belar went from {{Complete Monster}} a serious villain to a joke that the Maou tribe doesn't take seriously anymore.
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** Not as frequent as other fandoms but Saralegui gets a lot of flak from any other person that prefers Yuuri with someone else (mainly Yuuri/Wolfram fans). After all his previously built-up relationships with other guys never cracking his TransparentCloset, Yuuri suddenly crushes on Sara for [[ShallowLoveInterest shallow reasons]].

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** Not as frequent as other fandoms but Saralegui gets a lot of flak from any other person that prefers Yuuri with someone else (mainly Yuuri/Wolfram fans). After all his previously built-up relationships with other guys never cracking his TransparentCloset, Yuuri suddenly crushes on Sara for [[ShallowLoveInterest shallow reasons]].reasons.

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* {{Complete Monster}}: King Belar has already crossed the {{Moral Event Horizon}} before he met Yuuri. Him constantly trying to kill him has put him in this category and the number of instances where he deliberately tries to [[BreaktheCutie break him]] just because he's a demon. He's willing to sacrifice his own people just to test out the box that is said to bring the destruction on the world if only to get rid of all demons.
** To make matters worse, he took children from his own country as hostages in order to lure Yuuri out in the open knowing he would try to save them. When things get out of hands, he leaves the kids for dead. It's enough to cause most of his country to pull a {{Heel Face Turn}} given that a human was shown to be dark hearted and cruel yet it was the demons that saved them.
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*** The reverse is also true in Conrad/Yuuri fanfiction. Either that, or Wolfram gets over his feelings far too easily for a [[ClingyJealousGirl Clingy Jealous Guy]] with a HairTriggerTemper.
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* AcceptableTargets: From the dub:
--> '''Yuuri:''' ''(when discussing how to feed Morgif a human soul to power it up)'' "You can't expect me to take innocent lives of any quantity, even if they're Yankees fans."
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* {{Americans Hate Tingle}}: Hate isn't the right word but Conrad is considered boring to the Western audience due to how he's the perfect guy who completely understands Yuuri. It's this dedication that is rather fatherly that turns people off (when it comes to pairings, as Conrad/Yuuri is significantly more popular with Japanese fans than Western ones). See the {{Values Dissonance}} page for more details.

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* {{Americans Hate Tingle}}: Hate isn't the right word word, but Conrad is considered boring to the many Western audience due to how he's fans for being the perfect "perfect guy who completely understands Yuuri.Yuuri". It's this dedication that is rather fatherly that turns people off (when it comes to pairings, as Conrad/Yuuri is significantly more popular with Japanese fans than Western ones). See the {{Values Dissonance}} page for more details.
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** Not as frequent as other fandoms but Saralegui gets a lot of flak from any other person that prefers him with someone else (mainly Yuuri/Wolfram fans). Doesn't help that Yuuri has a crush on him for shallow reasons when he's been with Wolfram since the beginning and despite the fact that Wolfram is equally feminine, Yuuri comments that about Saralegui.

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** Not as frequent as other fandoms but Saralegui gets a lot of flak from any other person that prefers him Yuuri with someone else (mainly Yuuri/Wolfram fans). Doesn't help that After all his previously built-up relationships with other guys never cracking his TransparentCloset, Yuuri has a crush suddenly crushes on him Sara for [[ShallowLoveInterest shallow reasons when he's been with Wolfram since the beginning and despite the fact that Wolfram is equally feminine, Yuuri comments that about Saralegui. reasons]].
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** Conrad is also frequently a RonTheDeathEater for the more militant Yuuri/Wolfram fans.

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** Conrad is also frequently a gets the RonTheDeathEater for treatment from the more militant Yuuri/Wolfram fans.
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* {{Die for Our Ship}}: Not as frequent as other fandoms but Saralegui gets a lot of flak from any other person that prefers him with someone else (mainly Yuuri/Wolfram fans). Doesn't help that Yuuri has a crush on him for shallow reasons when he's been with Wolfram since the beginning and despite the fact that Wolfram is equally feminine, Yuuri comments that about Saralegui.

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* {{Die for Our Ship}}: Ship}}:
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Not as frequent as other fandoms but Saralegui gets a lot of flak from any other person that prefers him with someone else (mainly Yuuri/Wolfram fans). Doesn't help that Yuuri has a crush on him for shallow reasons when he's been with Wolfram since the beginning and despite the fact that Wolfram is equally feminine, Yuuri comments that about Saralegui.
** Conrad is also frequently a RonTheDeathEater for the more militant Yuuri/Wolfram fans.
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* ShipToShipCombat: Several, but Yuuri/Wolfram vs. Conrad/Yuuri is probably the biggest one.

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* ShipToShipCombat: Several, but Yuuri/Wolfram vs. Conrad/Yuuri is probably the biggest one. Or Yuuri/Wolfram vs. ''any'' other Yuuri pairing, as is often the case in the English-language fandom.
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* SeasonalRot: The third season was met with a pretty lukewarm fan reception, compared to the first two.
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* ShipToShipCombat: Several, but Yuuri/Wolfram vs. Conrad/Yuuri is probably the biggest one.
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* {{Americans Hate Tingle}}: Hate isn't the right word but Conrad is considered boring to the Western audience due to how he's the perfect guy that understand Yuuri. It's this dedication that is rather fatherly that turns people off (when it comes to pairings, as Conrad/Yuuri is significantly more popular with Japanese fans than Western ones). See the {{Values Dissonance}} page for more details.

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* {{Americans Hate Tingle}}: Hate isn't the right word but Conrad is considered boring to the Western audience due to how he's the perfect guy that understand who completely understands Yuuri. It's this dedication that is rather fatherly that turns people off (when it comes to pairings, as Conrad/Yuuri is significantly more popular with Japanese fans than Western ones). See the {{Values Dissonance}} page for more details.

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* {{Americans Hate Tingle}}: Hate isn't the right word but Conrad is considered boring to the Western audience due to how he's the perfect guy that understand Yuuri. It's this dedication that is rather fatherly that turns people off (when it comes to pairings). See the {{Values Dissonance}} page for more details.
** {{Germans Love David Hasselhoff}}: On the other hand, Wolfram is very popular in the Western fanbase while he noticeably has a smaller fanbase in Japan.
*** That's not true, considering how Wolfram was voted as the favorite character in many polls conducted. He is also the writer's favorite character. And YuuRam is actually very popular in Japan, having a considerable amount of doujounshis focusing on the two, and many focusing only on Wolfram.

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* {{Americans Hate Tingle}}: Hate isn't the right word but Conrad is considered boring to the Western audience due to how he's the perfect guy that understand Yuuri. It's this dedication that is rather fatherly that turns people off (when it comes to pairings).pairings, as Conrad/Yuuri is significantly more popular with Japanese fans than Western ones). See the {{Values Dissonance}} page for more details. \n** {{Germans Love David Hasselhoff}}: On the other hand, Wolfram is very popular in the Western fanbase while he noticeably has a smaller fanbase in Japan.\n*** That's not true, considering how Wolfram was voted as the favorite character in many polls conducted. He is also the writer's favorite character. And YuuRam is actually very popular in Japan, having a considerable amount of doujounshis focusing on the two, and many focusing only on Wolfram.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: [[spoiler: The keys to the boxes are]] [[TheLancer Conrad's arm]], [[TheSpymaster Gwendal's eye]], [[LoveInterest Wolfram's]] [[UndyingLoyalty heart]], and [[TheHero Yuuri's]] [[TheHeart soul]].
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*** That's not true, considering how Wolfram was voted as the favorite character in many polls conducted. He is also the writer's favorite character. And YuuRam is actually very popular in Japan, having a considerable amount of doujounshis focusing on the two, and many focusing only on Wolfram. ^-^

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*** That's not true, considering how Wolfram was voted as the favorite character in many polls conducted. He is also the writer's favorite character. And YuuRam is actually very popular in Japan, having a considerable amount of doujounshis focusing on the two, and many focusing only on Wolfram. ^-^
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***That's not true, considering how Wolfram was voted as the favorite character in many polls conducted. He is also the writer's favorite character. And YuuRam is actually very popular in Japan, having a considerable amount of doujounshis focusing on the two, and many focusing only on Wolfram. ^-^

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: What exactly is the deal with the Maou? Is he an entirely separate person who happens to share Yuuri's body a la ''Anime/YuGiOh''? Is he the personification of Yuuri's darker side? Does Yuuri just have a [[SplitPersonality dissociative personality disorder]]? No-one really knows.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: What exactly is the deal with the Maou? Is he an entirely a separate person who happens to share Yuuri's body a la ''Anime/YuGiOh''? Is he the personification of Yuuri's darker side? Does Yuuri just have a [[SplitPersonality dissociative personality disorder]]? No-one really knows.



* {{Anvilicious}}: The writing isn't exactly subtle when conveying the important themes of this show, what with Yuuri's constant monologues about how love is always the answer and you have to love everybody everywhere and never stop, ever!
** Although between Yuuri maturing into this role (which is honestly more about 'understanding and accepting everybody' than 'loving' them, although his vocabulary is noticeably influenced by his mother), the fact that the narrative allows many dissidents to be rounded characters who have good points counterbalances this rather. We are not forced to believe Gwendal is being unreasonable in preparing for war all the time, or that Conrad's willingness to sacrifice anything and anyone for Yuuri is not a potentially valid alternate morality.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: The writing isn't exactly subtle when conveying the important themes of this show, what with Yuuri's constant monologues about how love is always the answer and you have to love everybody everywhere and never stop, ever!
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ever! Although between Yuuri maturing into this role (which is honestly more about 'understanding and accepting everybody' than 'loving' them, although his vocabulary is noticeably influenced by his mother), the fact that the narrative allows many dissidents to be rounded characters who have good points counterbalances this rather. We are not forced to believe Gwendal is being unreasonable in preparing for war all the time, or that Conrad's willingness to sacrifice anything and anyone for Yuuri is not a potentially valid alternate morality.



* {{Complete Monster}}: King Belar has already crossed the {{Moral Event Horizon}} before he met Yuuri. Him constantly trying to kill him has put him in this category and the number of instances where he deliberately tries to [[BreaktheCutie break him]] just because he's a demon. Not to mention that he's willing to sacrifice his own people just to test out the box that is said to bring the destruction on the world if only to get rid of all demons.

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* {{Complete Monster}}: King Belar has already crossed the {{Moral Event Horizon}} before he met Yuuri. Him constantly trying to kill him has put him in this category and the number of instances where he deliberately tries to [[BreaktheCutie break him]] just because he's a demon. Not to mention that he's He's willing to sacrifice his own people just to test out the box that is said to bring the destruction on the world if only to get rid of all demons.

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** {{Germans Love David Hasselhoff}}: On the other hand, Wolfram is very popular in the Western fanbase while he noticeably has a smaller fanbase in Japan.

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** {{Germans Love David Hasselhoff}}: On the other hand, Wolfram is very popular in the Western fanbase while he noticeably has a smaller fanbase in Japan.



* GeniusBonus: The uniforms of Conrad, Wolfram, and Gwendal. Few people would know that they are patterned on real historical uniforms.

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* GeniusBonus: The uniforms of Conrad, Wolfram, and Gwendal. Few people would know that they are patterned on real historical uniforms. uniforms.
* HetIsEw: Inevitable, given the below trope.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: What exactly is the deal with the Maou? Is he an entirely separate person who happens to share Yuuri's body a la ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}''? Is he the personification of Yuuri's darker side? Does Yuuri just have a [[SplitPersonality dissociative personality disorder]]? No-one really knows.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: What exactly is the deal with the Maou? Is he an entirely separate person who happens to share Yuuri's body a la ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}''? ''Anime/YuGiOh''? Is he the personification of Yuuri's darker side? Does Yuuri just have a [[SplitPersonality dissociative personality disorder]]? No-one really knows.
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** But... ''Manga/FushigiYuugi'' was [[BeyondTheImpossible already on drugs...]]

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** But... ''Manga/FushigiYuugi'' was [[BeyondTheImpossible [[UpToEleven already on drugs...]]
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* HoYay: Abounds, even between characters who aren't blatantly being [[ShipTease teased.]]


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** But... ''Manga/FushigiYuugi'' was [[BeyondTheImpossible already on drugs...]]
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* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: Take ''Manga/FushigiYuugi'' and combine with HoYay and a good amount of acid.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: Take ''Manga/FushigiYuugi'' and combine with HoYay and [[ThisIsYourPremiseOnDrugs a good amount of acid.acid]].
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Excising my own stupid joke


* WhamLine: In the credits; Written by [[spoiler:Carl Macek]]

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* AccidentalNightmareFuel: The gremlin-style Bearbees. If this troper was a little kid, those things would have given her nightmares.



* {{Moral Event Horizon}}: King Belar has already crosses this in his backstory when he kills [[spoiler: the previous owner of one of the four keys in order to activate the boxes.]] It gets worse from there.

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* {{Moral Event Horizon}}: King Belar has already crosses this in his backstory when he kills [[spoiler: the previous owner of one of the four keys in order to activate the boxes.]] It gets worse from there. there.
* NightmareFuel: The gremlin-style Bearbees.
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** 2. His [[DudeLooksLikeaLady character design]] turns a lot of people off especially since Yuuri who has been claiming to like girls the entire series suddenly develops a crush on him if only because of his feminine appearance, which makes Yuuri [[CharacterDerailment look shallow.]]

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** 2. His [[DudeLooksLikeaLady character design]] turns a lot of people off especially since Yuuri who has been claiming to like girls the entire series suddenly develops a crush on him if only because of his feminine appearance, which makes Yuuri [[CharacterDerailment Yuuri look shallow.]]
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* TheScrappy: Saralegui, if only because he managed to get in the way of almost every ship at the same time.
** Wouldn't this be more of a case of {{Die for Our Ship}}?
*** Not necessarily. This troper once heard someone explain that they hated him because he "stopped being a good villain". Ignoring the fact that he was pretty much an anti-hero by that point.
**** This troper did not like Saralegui simply because she doesn't like his [[DudeLooksLikeALady character design]]. And the fact that [[HaveIMentionedThatIamHeterosexualToday Yuuri]] seemed to be developing a crush on him seemed petty when the series kept suggesting that he did not like boys. Would that make the hero shallow because Saralegui looks like a chick? This might border on [[DieForOurShip shipping wars]] though.
* VillainDecay: Poor King Belar.

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* TheScrappy: Saralegui, Saralegui is not well liked in the fandom for many reasons.
** 1. He starts out as a pretty good villain (or at least {{Anti Villain}}) but goes through {{Badass Decay}} to the point that people thought his character was wasted.
** 2. His [[DudeLooksLikeaLady character design]] turns a lot of people off especially since Yuuri who has been claiming to like girls the entire series suddenly develops a crush on him
if only because he managed to get of his feminine appearance, which makes Yuuri [[CharacterDerailment look shallow.]]
** 3. He gets
in the way of almost every ship at ''all'' the same time.
** Wouldn't this be more of a case of {{Die for Our Ship}}?
*** Not necessarily. This troper once heard someone explain that they hated him
pairings involving Yuuri. Especially jarring because he "stopped being a good villain". Ignoring he's introduced in season 3 and gets the fact most {{Ship Tease}} with Yuuri effectively pushing the other characters like Wolfram or Conrad out of the picture making shippers declare that he was pretty much an anti-hero by that point.
**** This troper did not like Saralegui simply because she doesn't like his [[DudeLooksLikeALady character design]]. And the fact that [[HaveIMentionedThatIamHeterosexualToday Yuuri]] seemed to be developing
he's a crush on him seemed petty when the series kept suggesting that he did not like boys. Would that make the hero shallow because Saralegui looks like a chick? This might border on [[DieForOurShip shipping wars]] though.
{{Creators Pet}}.
* VillainDecay: Poor King Belar.Belar went from {{Complete Monster}} to a joke that the Maou tribe doesn't take seriously anymore.

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* {{Americans Hate Tingle}}: Hate isn't the right word but Conrad is considered boring to the Western audience due to how he's the perfect guy that understand Yuuri. It's this dedication that is rather fatherly that turns people off (when it comes to pairings).

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* {{Americans Hate Tingle}}: Hate isn't the right word but Conrad is considered boring to the Western audience due to how he's the perfect guy that understand Yuuri. It's this dedication that is rather fatherly that turns people off (when it comes to pairings). See the {{Values Dissonance}} page for more details.


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* {{Complete Monster}}: King Belar has already crossed the {{Moral Event Horizon}} before he met Yuuri. Him constantly trying to kill him has put him in this category and the number of instances where he deliberately tries to [[BreaktheCutie break him]] just because he's a demon. Not to mention that he's willing to sacrifice his own people just to test out the box that is said to bring the destruction on the world if only to get rid of all demons.
** To make matters worse, he took children from his own country as hostages in order to lure Yuuri out in the open knowing he would try to save them. When things get out of hands, he leaves the kids for dead. It's enough to cause most of his country to pull a {{Heel Face Turn}} given that a human was shown to be dark hearted and cruel yet it was the demons that saved them.
* {{Creators Pet}}: Saralegui is accused of being one especially by the shippers given that he's introduced in season 3 and takes the spotlight away from Yuuri's other companions as well as being set up with the most {{Ship Tease}} in that season despite the development that happened in the previous two seasons.


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** And before him [[spoiler: Shinou.]]
* {{Moral Event Horizon}}: King Belar has already crosses this in his backstory when he kills [[spoiler: the previous owner of one of the four keys in order to activate the boxes.]] It gets worse from there.
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* {{Americans Hate Tingle}}: Hate isn't the right word but Conrad is considered boring to the Western audience due to how he's the perfect guy that understand Yuuri. It's this dedication that is rather fatherly that turns people off (when it comes to pairings).
** {{Germans Love David Hasselhoff}}: On the other hand, Wolfram is very popular in the Western fanbase while he noticeably has a smaller fanbase in Japan.



* EpilepticTrees: Mazoku aging; HOW DOES IT WORK!? Just take a looksee at the entry for YoungerThanTheyLook. The Headscratchers page is as of now completely devoted to the question.

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* {{Die for Our Ship}}: Not as frequent as other fandoms but Saralegui gets a lot of flak from any other person that prefers him with someone else (mainly Yuuri/Wolfram fans). Doesn't help that Yuuri has a crush on him for shallow reasons when he's been with Wolfram since the beginning and despite the fact that Wolfram is equally feminine, Yuuri comments that about Saralegui.
* EpilepticTrees: Mazoku aging; HOW DOES IT WORK!? Just take a looksee look see at the entry for YoungerThanTheyLook. The Headscratchers page is as of now completely devoted to the question.question.
* {{Fan Preferred Couple}}: In the Western fandom, [[BelligerentSexualTension Yuuri/Wolfram]], [[HeterosexualLifePartners Conrad/Yozak]], [[PairtheSpares Gwendal/Gunther]] and [[spoiler: [[SubordinateExcuse Shinou/Murata]]]]. In the Eastern fandom the popular pairings are [[BirdsofaFeather Conrad/Yuuri]] and [[KissKissSlap Yozak/Murata]] instead.
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* AccidentalNightmareFuel: The gremlin-style Bearbees. If this troper was a little kid, those things would have given her nightmares.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: What exactly is the deal with the Maou? Is he an entirely separate person who happens to share Yuuri's body a la ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}''? Is he the personification of Yuuri's darker side? Does Yuuri just have a [[SplitPersonality dissociative personality disorder]]? No-one really knows.
* {{Anvilicious}}: The writing isn't exactly subtle when conveying the important themes of this show, what with Yuuri's constant monologues about how love is always the answer and you have to love everybody everywhere and never stop, ever!
** Although between Yuuri maturing into this role (which is honestly more about 'understanding and accepting everybody' than 'loving' them, although his vocabulary is noticeably influenced by his mother), the fact that the narrative allows many dissidents to be rounded characters who have good points counterbalances this rather. We are not forced to believe Gwendal is being unreasonable in preparing for war all the time, or that Conrad's willingness to sacrifice anything and anyone for Yuuri is not a potentially valid alternate morality.
* BadassDecay: Saralegui starts off as cool and diabolical, and by the end of the series is... a little childish.
** [[FridgeBrilliance But when you think about it,]] he was a child all along. Since he was [[spoiler: [[ParentalAbandonment abandoned by his mother]] and [[AbusiveParents ignored by his father,]]]] he probably felt alone and came up with his scheme to interact with people in the only way he knew how. In order words, he [[spoiler: tried to take over Yuuri's body and rule over everything]] because he wanted to be loved.
* EpilepticTrees: Mazoku aging; HOW DOES IT WORK!? Just take a looksee at the entry for YoungerThanTheyLook. The Headscratchers page is as of now completely devoted to the question.
* GeniusBonus: The uniforms of Conrad, Wolfram, and Gwendal. Few people would know that they are patterned on real historical uniforms.
* MagnificentBastard: [[spoiler: Saralegui.]]
* TheScrappy: Saralegui, if only because he managed to get in the way of almost every ship at the same time.
** Wouldn't this be more of a case of {{Die for Our Ship}}?
*** Not necessarily. This troper once heard someone explain that they hated him because he "stopped being a good villain". Ignoring the fact that he was pretty much an anti-hero by that point.
**** This troper did not like Saralegui simply because she doesn't like his [[DudeLooksLikeALady character design]]. And the fact that [[HaveIMentionedThatIamHeterosexualToday Yuuri]] seemed to be developing a crush on him seemed petty when the series kept suggesting that he did not like boys. Would that make the hero shallow because Saralegui looks like a chick? This might border on [[DieForOurShip shipping wars]] though.
* VillainDecay: Poor King Belar.
* WhamLine: In the credits; Written by [[spoiler:Carl Macek]]
* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: Take ''Manga/FushigiYuugi'' and combine with HoYay and a good amount of acid.
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