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* AngstAversion: [[https://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/1133822-justice-league-dark-apokolips-war-review Many reviews]] [[https://www.ign.com/articles/justice-league-dark-apokolips-war-review give a very clear warning]] that this film is very violent and people should steer clear if they can't stomach it.



* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: These films have always had trouble with making the heroes likable, and now we have those same heroes dying horribly in downright disturbing ways all throughout the film in addition to a lot of civilian death and general mayhem, not unlike Marvel's ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}'' event. The hopelessness of the situation is so oppressive that it becomes difficult to care after a while. [[https://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/1133822-justice-league-dark-apokolips-war-review Many reviews]] [[https://www.ign.com/articles/justice-league-dark-apokolips-war-review give a very clear warning]] that this film is very violent and people should steer clear if they can't stomach it.

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** Superman's invasion plan (which can basically be summarized as "take the heavy hitters, show up at Darkseid's front door, and kick his ass") was poorly thought out. While the invasion largely failed because of the presence of the Paradooms, which the Justice League were unaware of, and Darkseid [[spoiler:monitoring their briefing through Cyborg's eye]], the fact that no one seriously objected to such a simple plan, with the only contingency being [[spoiler:compelling an unwitting John Constantine to run away and ''eventually'' magic up a solution]], is laughable. Even if it was doomed to fail, Superman should have at the very least sent spies and gather intelligence before making the attack.

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** Superman's invasion plan (which can basically be summarized as "take the heavy hitters, show up at Darkseid's front door, and kick his ass") was poorly thought out. While the invasion largely failed because of the presence of the Paradooms, which the Justice League were unaware of, and Darkseid [[spoiler:monitoring their briefing through Cyborg's eye]], the fact that no one seriously objected to such a simple plan, with the only contingency being [[spoiler:compelling an unwitting John Constantine to run away and ''eventually'' magic up a solution]], is laughable. Even if it was doomed to fail, Superman should have at the very least sent spies and gather intelligence before making the attack. What makes it it worse, is that Lex Luthor actually suggests sending an envoy first rather than just taking everyone to Apokolips!



** Darkseid is spying on the League via Cyborg and knows of their strategy and has a form of mind control technology.
** '''You'd Expect''': Darkseid to use Cyborg to infect some of the League and potentially Titans with mind control technology, or he could simply capture torture and brainwash multiple League members and Titans while mutilating them with a more effective version of the cybernetics that he used on what remains of the League, to control Zatanna, a magical powerhouse and give [[ComboPlatterPowers Martian Manhunter]] a better body that [[WeaksauceWeakness resists fire.]]

** '''Instead''': He makes Cyborg his computer, kills multiple Leaguers and Titans, including Zatanna, and reduces Martian Manhunter to only being capable of fighting with his [[ShapeshifterWeapon arm and head]], and doesn't even bother modifying or brainwashing the Flash.

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** Darkseid is spying on the League via Cyborg and knows of their strategy and has a form of mind control technology. \n** \\
'''You'd Expect''': Darkseid to use Cyborg to infect some of the League and potentially Titans with mind control technology, or he could simply capture torture and brainwash multiple League members and Titans while mutilating them with a more effective version of the cybernetics that he used on what remains of the League, to control Zatanna, a magical powerhouse and give [[ComboPlatterPowers Martian Manhunter]] a better body that [[WeaksauceWeakness resists fire.]]

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'''Instead''': He makes Cyborg his computer, kills multiple Leaguers and Titans, including Zatanna, and reduces Martian Manhunter to only being capable of fighting with his [[ShapeshifterWeapon arm and head]], and doesn't even bother modifying or brainwashing the Flash.
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'''You'd Expect''': Darkseid to use Cyborg to infect some of the League and potentially Titans with mind control technology, or he could simply capture torture and brainwash multiple League members and Titans while mutilating them with a more effective version of the cybernetics that he used on what remains of the League, to control Zatanna, a magical powerhouse and give [[ComboPlatterPowers Martian Manhunter]] a better body that [[WeaksauceWeakness resists fire.]]

'''Instead''': He makes Cyborg his computer, kills multiple Leaguers and Titans, including Zatanna, and reduces Martian Manhunter to only being capable of fighting with his [[ShapeshifterWeapon arm and head]], and doesn't even bother modifying or brainwashing the Flash.

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'''You'd **'''You'd Expect''': Darkseid to use Cyborg to infect some of the League and potentially Titans with mind control technology, or he could simply capture torture and brainwash multiple League members and Titans while mutilating them with a more effective version of the cybernetics that he used on what remains of the League, to control Zatanna, a magical powerhouse and give [[ComboPlatterPowers Martian Manhunter]] a better body that [[WeaksauceWeakness resists fire.]]

'''Instead''': **'''Instead''': He makes Cyborg his computer, kills multiple Leaguers and Titans, including Zatanna, and reduces Martian Manhunter to only being capable of fighting with his [[ShapeshifterWeapon arm and head]], and doesn't even bother modifying or brainwashing the Flash.
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'''You'd Expect''': Darkseid to use Cyborg to infect some of the League and potentially Titans with mind control technology, or he could simply capture torture and brainwash multiple League members and Titans while mutilating them with a more effective version of the cybernetics that he used on what remains of the League, to control Zatanna, a magical powerhouse and give [[ComboPlatterPowers Martian Manhunter]] a better body that [[WeaksauceWeaknessresists fire.]]

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'''You'd Expect''': Darkseid to use Cyborg to infect some of the League and potentially Titans with mind control technology, or he could simply capture torture and brainwash multiple League members and Titans while mutilating them with a more effective version of the cybernetics that he used on what remains of the League, to control Zatanna, a magical powerhouse and give [[ComboPlatterPowers Martian Manhunter]] a better body that [[WeaksauceWeaknessresists [[WeaksauceWeakness resists fire.]]
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**Darkseid is spying on the League via Cyborg and knows of their strategy and has a form of mind control technology.
'''You'd Expect''': Darkseid to use Cyborg to infect some of the League and potentially Titans with mind control technology, or he could simply capture torture and brainwash multiple League members and Titans while mutilating them with a more effective version of the cybernetics that he used on what remains of the League, to control Zatanna, a magical powerhouse and give [[ComboPlatterPowers Martian Manhunter]] a better body that [[WeaksauceWeaknessresists fire.]]
'''Instead''': He makes Cyborg his computer, kills multiple Leaguers and Titans, including Zatanna, and reduces Martian Manhunter to only being capable of fighting with his [[ShapeshifterWeapon arm and head]], and doesn't even bother modifying or brainwashing the Flash.

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* TheyCopiedItNowItSucks: While still acknowledging how it takes two years to put these movies together, some reviews have accused the film of trying to follow on the coattails of ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' and ''Film/AvengersEndgame'', in that the surviving heroes sought to recoup from the loss of their friends and allies to an unstoppable villain and band together to stop said villain. [[spoiler: Also, like with ''Endgame'', the heroes (or at least one of them in this case) [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong wants to try to fix everything via time travel]])]].

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* TheyCopiedItNowItSucks: While still acknowledging how it takes two years to put these movies together, some reviews have accused the film of trying to follow on the coattails of ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' and ''Film/AvengersEndgame'', in that the surviving heroes sought to recoup from the loss of their friends and allies to an unstoppable villain and band together to stop said villain. [[spoiler: Also, [[spoiler:Also, like with ''Endgame'', the heroes (or at least one of them in this case) [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong wants to try to fix everything via time travel]])]].travel]]]].



* TheWoobie: He hides it well, but just imagine [[spoiler: John Constantine living with the memory of how he left the love of his life to be torn apart by monsters while she screamed his name. He was magically compelled to flee, but didn't discover that until years later, so he's been forced to live with his actions all that time. It's bad enough that simply the mention of Zatanna's name is what makes Constantine rejoin the fight.]]

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* TheWoobie: He hides it well, but just imagine [[spoiler: John Constantine living with the memory of how he left the love of his life to be torn apart by monsters while she screamed his name. He was magically compelled to flee, but didn't discover that until years later, so he's been forced to live with his actions all that time. It's bad enough that simply the mention of Zatanna's name is what makes Constantine rejoin the fight.]]]]
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Incorrect Example Indentation, Word Cruft ("Adding to that"), Natter and Misuse. Narm is a serious scene that is unintentionally hilarious. This entry is just complaining.


*** Adding to that narm factor is the Paradooms ''wildly'' vary just how strong and durable they are. [[spoiler:In one scene scene, they go from being able to take hits from the likes of Captain Marvel and Superboy and keep on kicking to being easily taken down by a simple staff wielded by Batgirl.]]
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*** Adding to that narm factor is the Paradooms ''wildly'' vary just how strong and durable they are. [[spoiler:In one scene scene, they go from being able to take hits from the likes of Captain Marvel and Superboy and keep on kicking to being easily taken down by a simple staff wielded by Batgirl.]]
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Esoteric Happy Ending is when the author gives the film what they believe to be a happy ending, but fans see it as tragic or cringy instead. The entry itself notes that this film does not have a happy ending, so this is more Fridge Horror than this trope.


* EsotericHappyEnding: While the [[PyrrhicVictory ending is hardly a happy one]], it's given a ray of hope that [[spoiler: Flash creating another flashpoint will undo the horrific events of the movie]]. However, this is a huge gamble as Flashpoint Paradox has shown us there's always the possibility of an even worse timeline taking the original's place. Also, there's no guarantee that the events of the movie (and all the others before it) won't happen again, making the attempt pointless. [[spoiler: [[CosmicRetcon And that's not even going into how the entire series was retconned because of this.]]]]
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** The film appears to also borrow heavily from ''ComicBook/Earth2'', being about Apokolips invading and the remaining heroes fighting a losing war after the defeat of the DC Trinity, planet Earth eventually becoming "consumed" by Darkseid and Apokolips, and in the finale the heroes utilize a mystical rebooting of reality to resurrect "their" Earth.

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** The film appears to also borrow heavily from ''ComicBook/Earth2'', being ''ComicBook/Earth2'',[[note]]likely even [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] by "'''Earth: 2 Years Later'''" appearing onscreen when the film flash-forwards after the League's doomed arrival at Apokolips[[/note]] about Apokolips invading and the remaining heroes fighting a losing war after the defeat of the DC Trinity, planet Earth eventually becoming "consumed" by Darkseid and Apokolips, and in the finale the heroes utilize a mystical rebooting of reality to resurrect "their" Earth.
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* EsotericHappyEnding: While the [[PhyrricVictory ending is hardly a happy one]], it's given a ray of hope that [[spoiler: Flash creating another flashpoint will undo the horrific events of the movie]]. However, this is a huge gamble as Flashpoint Paradox has shown us there's always the possibility of an even worse timeline taking the original's place. Also, there's no guarantee that the events of the movie (and all the others before it) won't happen again, making the attempt pointless. [[Spoiler: [[CosmicRetcon And that's not even going into how the entire series was retconned because of this.]]]]

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* EsotericHappyEnding: While the [[PhyrricVictory [[PyrrhicVictory ending is hardly a happy one]], it's given a ray of hope that [[spoiler: Flash creating another flashpoint will undo the horrific events of the movie]]. However, this is a huge gamble as Flashpoint Paradox has shown us there's always the possibility of an even worse timeline taking the original's place. Also, there's no guarantee that the events of the movie (and all the others before it) won't happen again, making the attempt pointless. [[Spoiler: [[spoiler: [[CosmicRetcon And that's not even going into how the entire series was retconned because of this.]]]]
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* EsotericHappyEnding: While the [[PhyrricVictory ending is hardly a happy one]], it's given a ray of hope that [[spoiler: Flash creating another flashpoint will undo the horrific events of the movie]]. However, this is a huge gamble as Flashpoint Paradox has shown us there's always the possibility of an even worse timeline taking the original's place. Also, there's no guarantee that the events of the movie (and all the others before it) won't happen again, making the attempt pointless. [[Spoiler: [[CosmicRetcon And that's not even going into how the entire series was retconned because of this.]]]]
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: These films have always had trouble with making the heroes likable, and now we have those same heroes dying horribly in downright disturbing ways all throughout the film in addition to a lot of civilian death and general mayhem, not unlike Marvel's ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}'' event. The darkness is so oppressive that it becomes difficult to care after a while. [[https://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/1133822-justice-league-dark-apokolips-war-review Many reviews]] [[https://www.ign.com/articles/justice-league-dark-apokolips-war-review give a very clear warning]] that this film is very violent and people should steer clear if they can't stomach it.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: These films have always had trouble with making the heroes likable, and now we have those same heroes dying horribly in downright disturbing ways all throughout the film in addition to a lot of civilian death and general mayhem, not unlike Marvel's ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}'' event. The darkness hopelessness of the situation is so oppressive that it becomes difficult to care after a while. [[https://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/1133822-justice-league-dark-apokolips-war-review Many reviews]] [[https://www.ign.com/articles/justice-league-dark-apokolips-war-review give a very clear warning]] that this film is very violent and people should steer clear if they can't stomach it.

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* SpecialEffectsFailure: The [[ConspicuousCGI CGI]] used for the Paradooms against the Suicide Squad are quite... dodgy, to say the least.

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* SpecialEffectsFailure: The [[ConspicuousCGI CGI]] CGI used for the Paradooms against the Suicide Squad are quite... dodgy, to say the least.
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Natter, incorrect indentation, and adds nothing to the preceding entry.


** To some, this feels like a DeusExMachina-type ending. Nothing really matters, since everything is being changed from what has been for the last 15 movies.
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** To some, this feels like a DeusExMachina-type ending. Nothing really matters, since everything is being changed from what has been for the last 15 movies.
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** Superman's invasion plan (which can basically be summarized as "take the heavy hitters, show up at Darkseid's front door, and kick his ass") was poorly thought out. While the invasion largely failed because of the presence of the Paradooms, which the Justice League were unaware of, and Darkseid [[spoiler:monitoring their briefing through Cyborg's eye]], the fact that no one seriously objected to such a simple plan, with the only contingency being [[spoiler:compelling an unwitting John Constantine to run away and ''eventually'' magic up a solution]], is laughable. At the very least, he should have sent spies and gather intelligence before making the attack.

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** Superman's invasion plan (which can basically be summarized as "take the heavy hitters, show up at Darkseid's front door, and kick his ass") was poorly thought out. While the invasion largely failed because of the presence of the Paradooms, which the Justice League were unaware of, and Darkseid [[spoiler:monitoring their briefing through Cyborg's eye]], the fact that no one seriously objected to such a simple plan, with the only contingency being [[spoiler:compelling an unwitting John Constantine to run away and ''eventually'' magic up a solution]], is laughable. At the very least, he Even if it was doomed to fail, Superman should have at the very least sent spies and gather intelligence before making the attack.
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** Superman's invasion plan (which can basically be summarized as "take the heavy hitters, show up at Darkseid's front door, and kick his ass") was poorly thought out. While the invasion largely failed because of the presence of the Paradooms, which the Justice League were unaware of, and Darkseid [[spoiler:monitoring their briefing through Cyborg's eye]], the fact that no one seriously objected to such a simple plan, with the only contingency being [[spoiler:compelling an unwitting John Constantine to run away and ''eventually'' magic up a solution]], is laughable.

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** Superman's invasion plan (which can basically be summarized as "take the heavy hitters, show up at Darkseid's front door, and kick his ass") was poorly thought out. While the invasion largely failed because of the presence of the Paradooms, which the Justice League were unaware of, and Darkseid [[spoiler:monitoring their briefing through Cyborg's eye]], the fact that no one seriously objected to such a simple plan, with the only contingency being [[spoiler:compelling an unwitting John Constantine to run away and ''eventually'' magic up a solution]], is laughable. At the very least, he should have sent spies and gather intelligence before making the attack.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: One point of contention in the earlier movies was how Damian Wayne was able to defeat guys who should realistically be stronger and more skilled than him, up to and including Batman himself. In this movie, [[spoiler: a brainwashed Batman beats down Damian, admits he was holding back and that he let Damian win in the past, and establishes himself without a shadow of a doubt as Damian's superior in combat.]]
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Not YMMV, Zero Context Example, speculation that makes no sense considering Trigon's character.


* OverprotectiveDad: One way of looking at Trigon's animosity towards Damian.
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* OverprotectiveDad: One way of looking at Trigon's animosity towards Damian.

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Special Effects Failure is for cheap and dodgy special effects, not for minor animation errors.


* SpecialEffectsFailure:
** The [[ConspicuousCGI CGI]] used for the Paradooms against the Suicide Squad are quite... dodgy, to say the least.
** Speaking of the Suicide Squad, [[spoiler:their final stand]] has two noticeable errors. One of which is [[spoiler:Luthor's corpse missing a hand that is certainly not the result of Paradoom mutilation]], while the other case is King Shark's teeth being normal-coloured despite them being replaced with Kryptonite prosthetics.

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SpecialEffectsFailure: The [[ConspicuousCGI CGI]] used for the Paradooms against the Suicide Squad are quite... dodgy, to say the least.
** Speaking of the Suicide Squad, [[spoiler:their final stand]] has two noticeable errors. One of which is [[spoiler:Luthor's corpse missing a hand that is certainly not the result of Paradoom mutilation]], while the other case is King Shark's teeth being normal-coloured despite them being replaced with Kryptonite prosthetics.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: The movie earns its '''hard R''' rating with some truly gory deaths and even an f-bomb. Any parent buying this cartoon movie with Superman on the cover is going to be in for a shock.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: The movie earns its '''hard R''' rating with some truly gory deaths and even an f-bomb. Any parent buying this cartoon movie with Superman on the cover is going to be in for f-bomb, almost like a shock.horror movie, despite starring Superman, Batman and other heroes.
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Misuse of They Wasted A Perfectly Good Plot. This trope is for plots with good potential that go underdeveloped, not for speculating whether there was another course of action the heroes could have taken. And no, Batman specifically mentions that the Reapers have done irreversible damage to the Earth's core, and estimates that the resulting effects on the planet's climate, biosphere and gravitational field would lead to at least another several billion casualties in the following months. Earth was doomed, period.


* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: [[spoiler: It appears the situation at the end of the film was serious enough to warrant another Flashpoint, but who knows whether anything could have been fixed/salvaged? After all Darkseid was gone.]]
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: [[spoiler: It appears the situation at the end of the film was serious enough to warrant another Flashpoint, but who knows whether anything could have been fixed/salvaged? After all Darkseid was gone.]]
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Examples Are Not General. Narm is for specific moments that are supposed to be serious, but come off as unintentionally funny. It cannot be used to describe the film in its entirety.


** How unrelentingly dark the movie is can become this to some, feeling that it's trying too hard to be dark and mature to an almost comedic degree.

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Sequelitis is when a sequel gets an overwhelmingly negative reception from fans and critics. Even if this film is not exempt from criticism, its reception was overall very positive, scoring a perfect 100% approval rating at Rotten Tomatoes.


* EvenBetterSequel: If early reviews are any indication, this installment has been much more positively received than many of the DCAMU movies that came before it, with many reviewers praising the action sequences, animation, and performances. It is considered a worthy finale to the current DCAMU that manages to tie together many different elements of the universe- including the Suicide Squad, the Justice League and the Dark characters- into a massive, mostly satisfying CrisisCrossover. However, this is not universal and many consider it ''worse''.

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* EvenBetterSequel: If early reviews are any indication, this This installment has been much more positively received than many of the DCAMU movies that came before it, with many reviewers praising the action sequences, animation, and performances. It is considered a worthy finale to the current DCAMU that manages to tie together many different elements of the universe- including the Suicide Squad, the Justice League and the Dark characters- into a massive, mostly satisfying CrisisCrossover. However, this is not universal it did receive some criticism for its overly dark tone and many consider it ''worse''.for [[spoiler:ending the franchise with a CosmicRetcon]].



* {{Sequelitis}}: While some consider it better, others consider it a lackluster finale to the animated universe and considerably worse than ''WesternAnimation/TheDeathOfSuperman'' and ''WesternAnimation/ReignOfTheSupermen''. The overwhelmingly dark tone, [[AnyoneCanDie frequent character deaths]]], and massive HappyEndingOverride are sited as many reasons for it.

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* EvenBetterSequel: If early reviews are any indication, this installment has been much more positively received than many of the DCAMU movies that came before it, with many reviewers praising the action sequences, animation, and performances. It is considered a worthy finale to the current DCAMU that manages to tie together many different elements of the universe- including the Suicide Squad, the Justice League and the Dark characters- into a massive, mostly satisfying CrisisCrossover.

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* EvenBetterSequel: If early reviews are any indication, this installment has been much more positively received than many of the DCAMU movies that came before it, with many reviewers praising the action sequences, animation, and performances. It is considered a worthy finale to the current DCAMU that manages to tie together many different elements of the universe- including the Suicide Squad, the Justice League and the Dark characters- into a massive, mostly satisfying CrisisCrossover. However, this is not universal and many consider it ''worse''.


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* {{Sequelitis}}: While some consider it better, others consider it a lackluster finale to the animated universe and considerably worse than ''WesternAnimation/TheDeathOfSuperman'' and ''WesternAnimation/ReignOfTheSupermen''. The overwhelmingly dark tone, [[AnyoneCanDie frequent character deaths]]], and massive HappyEndingOverride are sited as many reasons for it.

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