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** Keep in mind what Xanatos's main redeeming quality is- he's loyal to his family. Gargoyles are implied to be pretty much hardwired to be loyal to whoever they consider to be their clan. Xanatos probably figured that someone who combined traits from him and Goliath would therefore be quite loyal to his creators, even if he was selfish and ambitious otherwise. Unfortunately for him, Thailog got most of his fathers' bad qualities (Goliath's temper and vengefulness, Xanatos's amorality and amibition) without their good ones (Goliath's strong sense of honor and morality, Xanatos's aforementioned familial loyalty). Also note that it puts him off the "personal gargoyle" idea for good- he ''never'' tries a fresh attempt at that one after Thailog turns on him.
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* GeniusBonus: It is not essential to understanding the show, but familiarity with the myths, legends and RealLife history of some of the characters adds a whole new depth to some of the stories (On the other hand, there are some points where their [[{{Understatement}} minor inaccuracies]] can cause headaches amongst that same crowd).
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* GeniusBonus: It is not essential to understanding the show, but familiarity with the myths, legends and RealLife history of some of the characters adds a whole new depth to some of the stories (On the other hand, there are some points where their [[{{Understatement}} minor inaccuracies]] inaccuracies can cause headaches amongst that same crowd).
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* CrazyAwesome: Matt. The seemingly all-powerful Illuminati repeatedly tried to foil his investigation, even damaging his career in the process, but he overcame every roadblock sent his way. He even turns a seeming dead end into a lead that cracks his case wide open.
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'''Mace:''' You are impressive that way.
-->'''Matt:''' I'm funny that way.\\
'''Mace:''' You are impressive that way.
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* UglyCute: A majority of the gargoyles, quite a few of whom actually aren't ugly at all.
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* IdiotBall: I'm a brilliant criminal mastermind who runs intellectual circles around all my enemies. What am I going to do? I'm going to make someone who's just as clever and selfish as me but with the super-strength of a gargoyle!
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* HeterosexualLifePartners - For only being in one episode together, Arthur and [[spoiler: Sir]] Griff develop and foreshadow a most spectacular bromance.
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* ArtisticLicenseBiology: Gargoyle biology in general is pretty ridiculous, and so are [[LegoGenetics the mutates]].
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* YouFailBiologyForever: Gargoyle biology in general is pretty ridiculous, and so are [[LegoGenetics the mutates]].
** It's fairly clear that gargoyles are [[AWizardDidIt inherently magical]].
*** WordOfGod says they're not. They came about the same way humans did. God, evolution, some sort of Big Bang... pick your poison.
* YouFailBiologyForever: Gargoyle biology in general is pretty ridiculous, and so are [[LegoGenetics the mutates]].
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* YouFailBiologyForever: Gargoyle biology in general is pretty ridiculous, and so are [[LegoGenetics the mutates]].
** It's fairly clear that gargoyles are [[AWizardDidIt inherently magical]].
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* YouFailBiologyForever: Gargoyle biology in general is pretty ridiculous, and so are [[LegoGenetics the mutates]].
** It's fairly clear that gargoyles are [[AWizardDidIt inherently magical]].
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*** WordOfGod says they're not. They came about the same way humans did. God, evolution... pick your poison.
* Has anyone else noticed the similar facial structure between human-Brooklyn and Puck, or is that just something that appears to be there because they both have white hair and are hot?
* Has anyone else noticed the similar facial structure between human-Brooklyn and Puck, or is that just something that appears to be there because they both have white hair and are hot?
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*** WordOfGod says they're not. They came about the same way humans did. God, evolution... evolution, some sort of Big Bang... pick your poison.
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* Has anyone else noticed the similar facial structure between human-Brooklyn and Puck, or is that just something that appears to be there because they both have white hair and are hot?
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* MoralEventHorizon: Xanatos went over it for Elisa in "Metamorphosis". It's unlikely she'll ever forgive him. Similarly, Lexington [[spoiler:was never really able to get over being duped by the Pack, so he is hostile towards Fox, who he happens to live with by season 3.]]
** He gets over it in the only canon episode of season three, if only for the sake of baby Alexander.
** He gets over it in the only canon episode of season three, if only for the sake of baby Alexander.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Xanatos went over it for Elisa in "Metamorphosis". It's unlikely she'll ever forgive him. Similarly, Lexington [[spoiler:was never really able to get over being duped by the Pack, so though he is hostile towards eventually forgives Fox, who he happens to live with by season 3.]]
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** He gets over it in the only canon episode of season three,
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* EvilIsSexy: [[BuxomBabe Demona]], [[AxCrazy Hyena]], [[CuteGhostGirl The Banshee]], [[HotWitch The Weird Sisters]] (at least while Seline/Fury is in control), [[EveryoneLovesBlondes Robyn Canmore]], and [[ActionGirl Fox]] [[spoiler: at least until her HeelFaceTurn]], all qualify in spades for this. [[DracoInLeatherPants Xanatos]] easily counts as well.
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*** [[spoiler: Does that make Puck a CompleteMonster for creating that world in the first place?]]
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* LawfulGood: Dingo resolves to teach the Matrix about achieving order through the law rather than absolute control.
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** Such poor quality [[ToughActToFollow compared to the Weisman episodes]] anyway.
*** To be fair, the show ''was'' Weisman's baby, and the ExecutiveMeddling meant it wasn't going in the direction he'd been planning out - there's a reason we coined the trope CanonDiscontinuity, after all. Granted, the episodes of that season ''were'' of better quality than most 90's shows anyway, but they still had notewothy flaws - such as [[CharacterDerailment turning Jon Castaway and the Quarrymen into]] CardCarryingVillains - which damaged their workability for many viewers, even if you ''weren't'' a devout followers of GregWeisman and [[WordOfGod his overall plans]].
*** To be fair, the show ''was'' Weisman's baby, and the ExecutiveMeddling meant it wasn't going in the direction he'd been planning out - there's a reason we coined the trope CanonDiscontinuity, after all. Granted, the episodes of that season ''were'' of better quality than most 90's shows anyway, but they still had notewothy flaws - such as [[CharacterDerailment turning Jon Castaway and the Quarrymen into]] CardCarryingVillains - which damaged their workability for many viewers, even if you ''weren't'' a devout followers of GregWeisman and [[WordOfGod his overall plans]].
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*** You're not weird. The single, maybe two-second shot of Broadway crying his eyes out after [[spoiler: accidentally shooting Elisa]] still makes this 22-year-old Troper sick to her stomach, and... blink very fast, and hard. It's such a small thing, but ''so effective.'' The Gargoyles crew were wonderful at this.
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** Call me weird, but the biggest Tear Jerker moment for me was in "Deadly Force," when Broadway finds a thug threatening someone with a particle-beam emitter: "What's this?! A new kind of gun?!?! '''A new way to kill people?!?!'''"
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** Call me weird, but the biggest Tear Jerker moment for me was in "Deadly Force," when Broadway finds a thug threatening someone with a particle-beam emitter: "What's this?! A new kind of gun?!?! '''A new way to kill people?!?!'''"people?!?!'''" Bill Fagerbakke's voice acting did a great job conveying Broadway's grief for Elisa in that scene in particular.
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** Call me weird, but the biggest Tear Jerker moment for me was in "Deadly Force," when Broadway finds a thug threatening someone with a particle-beam emitter: "What's this?! A new kind of gun?!?! '''A new way to kill people?!?!'''"
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** Also [[EvilISSexy Demona]], who had many fans, [[MemeticSexGod especially males]].
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* FetishFuelStationAttendant: Demona, Hyena, Queen Titania, and the Weird Sisters.
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* EvilIsSexy: [[BuxomBabe Demona]], [[AxCrazy Hyena]], [[CuteGhostGirl The Banshee]], [[HotWitch The Weird Sisters]] (at least while Seline/Fury is in control), [[EveryoneLovesBlondes Robyn Canmore]], and [[ActionGirl Fox]] [[spoiler: at least until her HeelFaceTurn]], all qualify in spades for this. [[DracoInLeatherPants Xanatos]] easily counts as well.
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* NeverLiveItDown: Every time there's a news story relating to Xanatos or Fox, reporter Travis Marshall always notes how they've been in jail.
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** It's done a lot to Xanatos as well.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Although most of his scenes are with Lexington and Broadway, many fans love Brooklyn, especially [[EstrogenBrigadeBait the ladies]].
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Although most of his scenes are with Lexington and Broadway, many fans love Brooklyn, especially [[EstrogenBrigadeBait the ladies]].
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** The 3 gargoyles who make up Coldstone are Othello, Desdemona (Othello's mate), and Iago (Othello's enemy, who desires Desdemona). Othello was convinced Goliath tried to take Desdemona away from him. This is pretty much ''{{Othello}}'' in a robotic, {{Frankenstein}}-like nutshell.
* HilariousInHindsight: Demona, a gargoyle, flitting about Notre Dame...
** In a dark and serious feature by Disney, no less
* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Subverted with Macbeth. Duncan is the obvious villain, not Macbeth. While this inverts the story as {{Shakespeare}} did it, he himself played with history to make it more appealing to King James -- the historical Macbeth ''wasn't'', and Duncan overthrew the previous leader to win the crown in the first place.
** This is, however, played somewhat straight with Gillecomgain and Constantine. Gillecomgain's case is arguable, since his murder of Findlaech really happened in real life, but Constantine is made a [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] [[CompleteMonster monster]], especially in his appearance in the comics.
** The 3 gargoyles who make up Coldstone are Othello, Desdemona (Othello's mate), and Iago (Othello's enemy, who desires Desdemona). Othello was convinced Goliath tried to take Desdemona away from him. This is pretty much ''{{Othello}}'' in a robotic, {{Frankenstein}}-like nutshell.
* HilariousInHindsight: Demona, a gargoyle, flitting about Notre Dame...
** In a dark and serious feature by Disney, no less
* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Subverted with Macbeth. Duncan is the obvious villain, not Macbeth. While this inverts the story as {{Shakespeare}} did it, he himself played with history to make it more appealing to King James -- the historical Macbeth ''wasn't'', and Duncan overthrew the previous leader to win the crown in the first place.
** This is, however, played somewhat straight with Gillecomgain and Constantine. Gillecomgain's case is arguable, since his murder of Findlaech really happened in real life, but Constantine is made a [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] [[CompleteMonster monster]], especially in his appearance in the comics.
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* TearJerker: Quite a few in the series actually, but the attack of Castle Wyvern, and the end of the episodes "Metamorphosis", "Vows", "City Of Stone", and "Avalon" really stand out.
** The TearJerker of "City Of Stone" is even worse if you know what happens to [[TheWoobie Gruoch]] after Macbeth leaves. According to [[WordOfGod Greg Weisman]], [[spoiler: after Canmore had defeated Luark, Gruoch returns home to see that her son and father had both died in battle. Out of grief for losing her entire family, like many Shakespearian characters, she tragically commits suicide and dies a broken woman.]]
** The TearJerker of "City Of Stone" is even worse if you know what happens to [[TheWoobie Gruoch]] after Macbeth leaves. According to [[WordOfGod Greg Weisman]], [[spoiler: after Canmore had defeated Luark, Gruoch returns home to see that her son and father had both died in battle. Out of grief for losing her entire family, like many Shakespearian characters, she tragically commits suicide and dies a broken woman.]]
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* TheWoobie: Many characters take turns with this, but Goliath, Elisa, and Macbeth stand out the most. Just watch Macbeth's back story in "City Of Stone" and try not to feel pity towards him at the end.
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Demona. Come on, who hasn't watched all of "City of Stone" and ''not'' felt sorry for what she's been through by the end?
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* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Demona. Come on, who hasn't watched all of "City of Stone" and ''not'' felt sorry for what she's been through by the end?
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* LeaveThePlotThreadsHanging: Although the show is usually good at tying up loose ends, a few plot threads have been left hanging: The computer virus that Xanatos acquires in "Legion," for example, is never seen or heard of again. (Given how TechnologyMarchesOn, it is unlikely that it ever will be now.) What Titania whispered to Fox in "The Gathering" has also been left hanging; WordOfGod says that it wasn't very important anyway.
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*** [[spoiler: Does that make Puck a CompleteMonster for creating that world in the first place?]]
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** Demona goes over it truly in "City of Stone", [[spoiler:where she ends up breaking, and thus murdering, an untold number of humans turned to stone.]], and the Pack all get one, [[spoiler:when they irreversibly change their bodies into stronger but more monstrous forms, with the exception of Dingo, who goes for a suit of powered armor that of course does nothing to change his actual body.]]
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** Demona goes over it truly in "City of Stone", [[spoiler:where she ends up breaking, and thus murdering, an untold number of humans turned to stone.]], and the Pack all get one, [[spoiler:when they irreversibly change their bodies into stronger but more monstrous forms, with the exception of AntiVillain Dingo, who goes for a suit of powered armor that of course does nothing to change his actual body.]]
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** [[spoiler: DigiXanatos]] in "Future Tense" definitely qualifies. He [[spoiler: kills Brooklyn, Angela, Demona, and HIS OWN SON,]] without batting an eye. Goliath calling him an unfeeling machine makes sense even without knowing he's [[spoiler: a sentient copy of the original Xanatos' consciousness created by Lexington.]] For that matter, throw that inhuman S.O.B. in there for [[spoiler: selling out his clan, setting them and all allies up to be killed, and gloating about it to his enraged former leader.]]
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** [[spoiler: DigiXanatos]] Digital Xanatos]] in "Future Tense" definitely qualifies. He [[spoiler: kills Brooklyn, Angela, Demona, and HIS OWN SON,]] without batting an eye. Goliath calling him an unfeeling machine makes sense even without knowing he's [[spoiler: a sentient copy of the original Xanatos' consciousness created by Lexington.]] For that matter, throw that inhuman S.O.B. in there for [[spoiler: selling out his clan, setting them and all allies up to be killed, and gloating about it to his enraged former leader.]]
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* CompleteMonster: While chock full of villains in the [[AntiVillain anti]] category, there are those who fit this bill. Possible candidates include: Hakon, [[EvilSorcerer the Archmage]], Jackal, Jackal and Hyena, and Wolf, [[EvilutionaryBiologist Sevarius]], and [[EvilTwin Thailog]]. Tony Dracon's no prince either, but he's more [[SmugSnake smarmy]] than sadistic, really.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Princess Katherine and the Magus once they TookALevelInBadAss.
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Most of the music in the show qualifies for this, but the opening theme is a fan favorite.
