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* GhostShipping: Ping and Lu Ten seem to be on rather good terms, although it doesn't seem to be anything more than flirting.

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* {{Narm}}: How the fight with Hama ends in this version - [[spoiler:Shidan suddenly stabs her in the back, yelling the name of his sword like this is a shonen anime and CallingYourAttacks is required, then makes a supposedly badass one-liner as she dies]]. Setting aside that [[spoiler:he's just hijacked one of Katara's important moments]], the entire thing feels like Vathara desperately wants the reader to think [[spoiler:Shidan]] is cool.



** Shiden is often derided for being a cliche ''shonen'' hero dropped into a series where he doesn't fit, getting large amounts of CharacterShilling, marking the point where dragons and everything related to them become a malignant PlotTumor, and [[spoiler:kill-stealing Hama and thereby stealing one of Katara's most impressive feats in canon]].

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** Shiden Shidan is often derided for being a cliche ''shonen'' hero dropped into a series where he doesn't fit, getting large amounts of CharacterShilling, marking the point where dragons and everything related to them become a malignant PlotTumor, and [[spoiler:kill-stealing Hama and thereby stealing one of Katara's most impressive feats in canon]].
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** Shidan is often derided for being a cliche ''shonen'' hero dropped into a series where he doesn't fit, getting large amounts of CharacterShilling, marking the point where dragons and everything related to them become a malignant PlotTumor, and [[spoiler:kill-stealing Hama and thereby stealing one of Katara's most impressive feats in canon]].

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** Shidan Shiden is often derided for being a cliche ''shonen'' hero dropped into a series where he doesn't fit, getting large amounts of CharacterShilling, marking the point where dragons and everything related to them become a malignant PlotTumor, and [[spoiler:kill-stealing Hama and thereby stealing one of Katara's most impressive feats in canon]].

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* TheScrappy: For a number of readers who don't buy into the alternative character interpretation, Katara becomes this at some point in the chapters before or after the end of the Ba Sing Se arc.

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For a number of readers who don't buy into the alternative character interpretation, Katara becomes this at some point in the chapters before or after the end of the Ba Sing Se arc.arc.
** Shidan is often derided for being a cliche ''shonen'' hero dropped into a series where he doesn't fit, getting large amounts of CharacterShilling, marking the point where dragons and everything related to them become a malignant PlotTumor, and [[spoiler:kill-stealing Hama and thereby stealing one of Katara's most impressive feats in canon]].
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* RonTheDeathEater: Katara's season three rage over Zuko getting Aang mostly-killed after she'd started to trust him is transposed into a season one homicidal fury that Zuko is of the Fire Nation and has the nerve to be a better healer than she is. Since then, Katara has been publicly humiliated by Zuko in three or four different ways and has been reclaimed as an acceptable being, but is being used as a prop in the new goal of showing that Aang is a horrible, selfish boy who is deeply intolerant of everything that doesn't fit into his childhood culture (which, by the way, is secretly evil). Even ''sky bison'' are painted as living ecological disasters (not unlike the Death Gore from ''Manga/{{Toriko}}''.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Katara's season three rage over Zuko getting Aang mostly-killed after she'd started to trust him is transposed into a season one homicidal fury that Zuko is of the Fire Nation and has the nerve to be a better healer than she is. Since then, Katara has been publicly humiliated by Zuko in three or four different ways and has been reclaimed as an acceptable being, but is being used as a prop in the new goal of showing that Aang is a horrible, selfish boy who is deeply intolerant of everything that doesn't fit into his childhood culture (which, by the way, is secretly evil). Even ''sky bison'' are painted as living ecological disasters (not unlike the Death Gore from ''Manga/{{Toriko}}''.''Manga/{{Toriko}}'').
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* RonTheDeathEater: Katara's season three rage over Zuko getting Aang mostly-killed after she'd started to trust him is transposed into a season one homicidal fury that Zuko is of the Fire Nation and has the nerve to be a better healer than she is. Since then, Katara has been publicly humiliated by Zuko in three or four different ways and has been reclaimed as an acceptable being, but is being used as a prop in the new goal of showing that Aang is a horrible, selfish boy who is deeply intolerant of everything that doesn't fit into his childhood culture (which, by the way, is secretly evil).

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* RonTheDeathEater: Katara's season three rage over Zuko getting Aang mostly-killed after she'd started to trust him is transposed into a season one homicidal fury that Zuko is of the Fire Nation and has the nerve to be a better healer than she is. Since then, Katara has been publicly humiliated by Zuko in three or four different ways and has been reclaimed as an acceptable being, but is being used as a prop in the new goal of showing that Aang is a horrible, selfish boy who is deeply intolerant of everything that doesn't fit into his childhood culture (which, by the way, is secretly evil). Even ''sky bison'' are painted as living ecological disasters (not unlike the Death Gore from ''Manga/{{Toriko}}''.
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* CreatorsPet: Dragons. Far from the intelligent but mostly feral original firebinders from canon, dragons in ''Embers'' are basically everything Vathara thinks is awesome condensed into one package. It says a lot that the more Vathara wants you to like a firebender in this story, the more directly related they are to a dragon (did we forget to mention dragons in this story can shapeshift into humans and a good portion of the Fire Nation is descended from them? Because that's a thing. And no, there's nothing remotely like this for any of the other cultures).
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%%* BetterThanCanon: What most still reading it think.
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* IronWoobie: Aang: He's the Bridge between his world and the spirit world; in other words, he's steadfast, symbolic, and everyone walks all over him.

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* %%* IronWoobie: Aang: He's the Bridge between his world and the spirit world; in other words, he's steadfast, symbolic, and everyone walks all over him.
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* MisaimedFandom: Can occur when the audience misses the intended subtext, or if the storyteller failed to make their point in a convincing manner. Devoted fans of the story tend to see critics as the first case, failing to understand the motivations Vathara has created for various characters, despite the extensive author notes provided. Critics see this as the second case, claiming that the story and notes fail to reconcile the characters’ behavior with character development seen in dozens of canon episodes that are unchanged in this alternative timeline. Several paragraphs of debate on this and related subjects have been moved to the discussion page.

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* MisaimedFandom: Can occur when the audience misses the intended subtext, or if the storyteller failed to make their point in a convincing manner. Devoted fans of the story tend to see critics as the first case, failing to understand the motivations Vathara has created for various characters, despite the extensive author notes provided. Critics see this as the second case, claiming that the story and notes fail to reconcile the characters’ behavior with character development seen in dozens of canon episodes that are unchanged in this alternative timeline. Several paragraphs of debate on this and related subjects have been moved to the discussion page.

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Repair Dont Respond. I clarify, zuko and kuzon's entry needs more context.


%%* IronWoobie: Zuko as well as his great-grandfather, Kuzon.
** Expressing this sentiment in front of Zuko puts him [[DontYouDarePityMe two steps away from chewing out the sympathizer.]] It's what lets Xiu paint her initial vision of 'Lee', as yet another war-orphan too young to be fighting and too weathered to be coddled.
** Aang: He's the Bridge between his world and the spirit world; in other words, he's steadfast, symbolic, and everyone walks all over him.

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%%* * IronWoobie: Zuko as well as his great-grandfather, Kuzon.
** Expressing this sentiment in front of Zuko puts him [[DontYouDarePityMe two steps away from chewing out the sympathizer.]] It's what lets Xiu paint her initial vision of 'Lee', as yet another war-orphan too young to be fighting and too weathered to be coddled.
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Aang: He's the Bridge between his world and the spirit world; in other words, he's steadfast, symbolic, and everyone walks all over him.him.
%%** Zuko as well as his great-grandfather, Kuzon.

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YMMV example can not be played with. Iron Woobie need more context.


* CrazyIsCool: Played straight with references to Bumi: 'we all need to think like mad geniuses.' Deconstructed with Zuko. Many of the things he does, like [[spoiler:suggesting that people of fire and earth live together, escaping by amphibious train, using firebending and oil as a drill to free the Suzuran,]] following turtle seals under the ice and so on are regarded as absolutely insane. And yet he pulls them off. However, from Zuko's POV, these things are shown not to be acts of mad genius, but acts of desperation, very thoroughly planned out, and/or very possible given Avatarverse laws of physics. [[spoiler:Not to mention several decades of experience experimenting with lost or novel forms of bending: Zuko didn't come up with most of that stuff, Kuzon did.]]
* IronWoobie: Zuko as well as his great-grandfather, Kuzon.

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* CrazyIsCool: Played straight with references to Bumi: 'we all need to think like mad geniuses.' Deconstructed with Zuko. Many of the things he does, like [[spoiler:suggesting that people of fire and earth live together, escaping by amphibious train, using firebending and oil as a drill to free the Suzuran,]] following turtle seals under the ice and so on are regarded as absolutely insane. And yet he pulls them off. However, from Zuko's POV, these things are shown not to be acts of mad genius, but acts of desperation, very thoroughly planned out, and/or very possible given Avatarverse laws of physics. [[spoiler:Not to mention several decades of experience experimenting with lost or novel forms of bending: Zuko didn't come up with most of that stuff, Kuzon did.]]
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%%* IronWoobie: Zuko as well as his great-grandfather, Kuzon.

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* BrokenBase: As noted in the summary. Most of this comes down to disagreements over AlternateCharacterInterpretation.
** Arguments over the history and backstory of the Fire Nation and Vathara's world in general can also be volatile and comes down to four points of contention:

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* BrokenBase: As noted in the summary. Most of this comes down to disagreements over AlternateCharacterInterpretation. \n** Arguments over the history and backstory of the Fire Nation and Vathara's world in general can also be volatile and comes down to four points of contention:

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Need more context.


* {{Adorkable}}: Zuko, oh so very much.
-->"So, clueless," Shirong concluded.\\
"I very much fear he is, yes."\\
"''He'' is standing right here, Uncle," Zuko said warily. "And ''he'' would like an explanation."\\
"Of course, nephew." Iroh folded his hands in his sleeves with suspicious serenity. "Now let me see, I am sure I have a proverb for this..."\\
"Never mind," Zuko winced. "I don't want to know."
** Ditto Kuei. Bookworm tendencies and a lifetime shut up in the palace tends to do that to a guy;[[spoiler: it's made quite clear after he meets the female Touzaikaze/desert witches in Chapter 45. But hey, at least he's trying. Sort of.]]

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* {{Adorkable}}: Zuko, oh so very much.
-->"So, clueless," Shirong concluded.\\
"I very much fear he is, yes."\\
"''He'' is standing right here, Uncle," Zuko said warily. "And ''he'' would like an explanation."\\
"Of course, nephew." Iroh folded his hands in his sleeves with suspicious serenity. "Now let me see, I am sure I have a proverb for this..."\\
"Never mind," Zuko winced. "I don't want to know."
** Ditto Kuei.
Kuei, he's Bookworm tendencies and a lifetime shut up in the palace tends to do that to a guy;[[spoiler: it's made quite clear after he meets the female Touzaikaze/desert witches in Chapter 45. But hey, at least he's trying. Sort of.]]


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%% Zuko, oh so very much.
%%-->"So, clueless," Shirong concluded.\\
"I very much fear he is, yes."\\
"''He'' is standing right here, Uncle," Zuko said warily. "And ''he'' would like an explanation."\\
"Of course, nephew." Iroh folded his hands in his sleeves with suspicious serenity. "Now let me see, I am sure I have a proverb for this..."\\
"Never mind," Zuko winced. "I don't want to know."
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: A lot of the controversy revolves around a reinterpretation of Katara and of the contrast between her Sugar Queen persona and the dark side she sometimes shows in canon. Some readers think it’s brilliant. Some see it as character bashing as well as a case of RonTheDeathEater. Some think they see where the author was trying go with this, but also think it was taken too far or otherwise poorly executed.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: A lot of the controversy revolves around a reinterpretation of Katara and of the contrast between her Sugar Queen persona and the dark side she sometimes shows in canon. Some readers think it’s brilliant. Some see it as character bashing as well as a case of RonTheDeathEater. Some think they see where the author was trying go with this, but also think it was taken too far or otherwise poorly executed.
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* {{Adorkable}}: Zuko, oh so very much.
-->"So, clueless," Shirong concluded.\\
"I very much fear he is, yes."\\
"''He'' is standing right here, Uncle," Zuko said warily. "And ''he'' would like an explanation."\\
"Of course, nephew." Iroh folded his hands in his sleeves with suspicious serenity. "Now let me see, I am sure I have a proverb for this..."\\
"Never mind," Zuko winced. "I don't want to know."
** Ditto Kuei. Bookworm tendencies and a lifetime shut up in the palace tends to do that to a guy;[[spoiler: it's made quite clear after he meets the female Touzaikaze/desert witches in Chapter 45. But hey, at least he's trying. Sort of.]]
-->(Bon, thinking) ''Come on, pick up, I know you have no experience at all, but – oh, who am I kidding? You're clueless–''\\
"Does that sword still mean you're a healer?" Kuei blurted out. "Some of the scrolls I have – here, let me show you..."\\
(Bon) ''... Back to the books.''
--> Bon might be dismissive but Kuei's sharing of the scroll with Eshe was the start of her beginning to trust and like him.
* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: A lot of the controversy revolves around a reinterpretation of Katara and of the contrast between her Sugar Queen persona and the dark side she sometimes shows in canon. Some readers think it’s brilliant. Some see it as character bashing as well as a case of RonTheDeathEater. Some think they see where the author was trying go with this, but also think it was taken too far or otherwise poorly executed.
%%* BetterThanCanon: What most still reading it think.
* BrokenBase: As noted in the summary. Most of this comes down to disagreements over AlternateCharacterInterpretation.
** Arguments over the history and backstory of the Fire Nation and Vathara's world in general can also be volatile and comes down to four points of contention:
** When it comes to the causes of the war, some people see "but"s that make excuses for the Fire Nation and its people and others see "why"s that don't.
** With [[spoiler:loyalty]], some see it as [[spoiler:a gun to the head forcing the Fire Nation to do things they don't want to, making them victims and ultimately innocent]] while others see it as, at worst, [[spoiler:a gun to the head of a gangster; sure, the gang will kill him if he tries to leave or go straight, but he joined up willingly and ''likes'' hurting people, so it's a non-issue.]]
** Vathara's culture for the Air Nomads: [[spoiler:did she make them evil baby stealers who deserved to die just because this is a HateFic, or is it a valid interpretation of what's presented in canon?]]
** The GambitPileup; some see it as part of a complex web of reasons, others see it as an excuse for the Fire Nation to go to war with the Air Nomads.
* CrazyIsCool: Played straight with references to Bumi: 'we all need to think like mad geniuses.' Deconstructed with Zuko. Many of the things he does, like [[spoiler:suggesting that people of fire and earth live together, escaping by amphibious train, using firebending and oil as a drill to free the Suzuran,]] following turtle seals under the ice and so on are regarded as absolutely insane. And yet he pulls them off. However, from Zuko's POV, these things are shown not to be acts of mad genius, but acts of desperation, very thoroughly planned out, and/or very possible given Avatarverse laws of physics. [[spoiler:Not to mention several decades of experience experimenting with lost or novel forms of bending: Zuko didn't come up with most of that stuff, Kuzon did.]]
* IronWoobie: Zuko as well as his great-grandfather, Kuzon.
** Expressing this sentiment in front of Zuko puts him [[DontYouDarePityMe two steps away from chewing out the sympathizer.]] It's what lets Xiu paint her initial vision of 'Lee', as yet another war-orphan too young to be fighting and too weathered to be coddled.
** Aang: He's the Bridge between his world and the spirit world; in other words, he's steadfast, symbolic, and everyone walks all over him.
* MisaimedFandom: Can occur when the audience misses the intended subtext, or if the storyteller failed to make their point in a convincing manner. Devoted fans of the story tend to see critics as the first case, failing to understand the motivations Vathara has created for various characters, despite the extensive author notes provided. Critics see this as the second case, claiming that the story and notes fail to reconcile the characters’ behavior with character development seen in dozens of canon episodes that are unchanged in this alternative timeline. Several paragraphs of debate on this and related subjects have been moved to the discussion page.
* MoralEventHorizon: General Fong goes flying over it in Chapter 70 when he [[spoiler: forces ''civilians'' to walk straight into Dragon's Wings' trapline after Zuko's forces/traps kill most of his scouts.]]
* RonTheDeathEater: Katara's season three rage over Zuko getting Aang mostly-killed after she'd started to trust him is transposed into a season one homicidal fury that Zuko is of the Fire Nation and has the nerve to be a better healer than she is. Since then, Katara has been publicly humiliated by Zuko in three or four different ways and has been reclaimed as an acceptable being, but is being used as a prop in the new goal of showing that Aang is a horrible, selfish boy who is deeply intolerant of everything that doesn't fit into his childhood culture (which, by the way, is secretly evil).
* TheScrappy: For a number of readers who don't buy into the alternative character interpretation, Katara becomes this at some point in the chapters before or after the end of the Ba Sing Se arc.
* TheWoobie: As of Chapter 31, [[spoiler:Katara. Her tribe hates her and her own father threatens to kill her for something she wasn't aware she was doing. On top of that, Aang says she's a horrible person and reveals that there's no way they can ever be together unless Katara's willing to [[ParentalAbandonment abandon her children]] the Airbender way; the way she lost her parents by her mother's death and her father's abandonment of the family...]] Toph is outright horrified by how [[spoiler:Katara's]] treated, and Zuko feels as though doing this might have been horrible enough to mean he shouldn't be allowed to rule anyone, and feels compelled to [[spoiler:write an apology]] even though he's from a culture based on cultures where [[spoiler:apologies]] are considered worse than useless, what matters is actually taking action. Which he does, by [[spoiler:sending her a way to both avenge her mother and get away from the people who have shown her they don't love her.]]

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