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** Every single scene in the story that reinforces Bruce's ThouShallNotKill stance has become this after [[ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder the next chronological story in the "Dark Knight Universe"]] shows him having zero trouble when it comes to killing people.
** The main mob boss of this 1987 series is named Carmine '''Falcone'''. In 1992, Italian ''judge'' Giovanni '''Falcone''' was murdered by the Mafia alongside his wife and three bodyguards for actually loosening their grip on Sicily.
** Every moment between Gordon and his son, James Gordon Jr., who disappeared for the next decades only to return as one of the most [[TheSociopath sadistic]] {{Serial Killer}}s in the entire DC Universe.
* HilariousInHindsight:
** Creator/BenMcKenzie (who played Batman in the animated film adaptation) is now [[Series/{{Gotham}} playing Gordon.]]
** Creator/GreyDeLisle voiced Barbara, Gordon's first wife. In ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'', she voices Sarah Essen, Gordon's second wife and his mistress in ''Year One''.
** This wouldn't be [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight the last time]] Jim Gordon was voiced by [[Creator/JonathanBanks a cast member]] from ''Series/BreakingBad''.
** The main mob boss of this 1987 series is named Carmine '''Falcone'''. In 1992, Italian ''judge'' Giovanni '''Falcone''' was murdered by the Mafia alongside his wife and three bodyguards for actually loosening their grip on Sicily.
** Every moment between Gordon and his son, James Gordon Jr., who disappeared for the next decades only to return as one of the most [[TheSociopath sadistic]] {{Serial Killer}}s in the entire DC Universe.
* HilariousInHindsight:
** Creator/BenMcKenzie (who played Batman in the animated film adaptation) is now [[Series/{{Gotham}} playing Gordon.]]
** Creator/GreyDeLisle voiced Barbara, Gordon's first wife. In ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'', she voices Sarah Essen, Gordon's second wife and his mistress in ''Year One''.
** This wouldn't be [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight the last time]] Jim Gordon was voiced by [[Creator/JonathanBanks a cast member]] from ''Series/BreakingBad''.
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** Every single scene in One of the story that reinforces cornerstones of Bruce's ThouShallNotKill stance has become character in this after book is his strong commitment to his [[ThouShallNotKill no-killing rule]], as highlighted when he refuses to let a delinquent fall to his doom even as two other criminals brutally assault him. However, [[ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder the next chronological story in the "Dark Knight Universe"]] shows would show that his activities as Batman would eventually cause him having zero trouble when it comes to lose his morals, making him devolve into a hardened vigilante who relishes in killing people.
his targets.
**The main mob boss A good portion of this 1987 series Jim Gordon's inner monologue is named Carmine '''Falcone'''. about how unenthusiastic he is about raising his soon-to-be born son in a crime-ridden city like Gotham. In 1992, Italian ''judge'' Giovanni '''Falcone''' was murdered by ''ComicBook/BatmanTheBlackMirror'', his fears prove to be justified, but for all the Mafia alongside his wife and three bodyguards for actually loosening their grip on Sicily.
** Every moment between Gordon and his son,wrong reasons: James Gordon Jr., who disappeared for the next decades only Jr. goes on to return as become one of the most [[TheSociopath sadistic]] {{Serial Killer}}s in the entire DC Universe.
* HilariousInHindsight:
** Creator/BenMcKenzie (who played Batman in the animated film adaptation) is now [[Series/{{Gotham}} playing Gordon.]]
** Creator/GreyDeLisle voiced Barbara, Gordon's first wife. In ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'', she voices Sarah Essen, Gordon's second wife and his mistress in ''Year One''.
** This wouldn't be [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight the last time]] Jim Gordon was voiced by [[Creator/JonathanBanks a cast member]] from ''Series/BreakingBad''.Gotham has ever seen.
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** Every moment between Gordon and his son,
* HilariousInHindsight:
** Creator/BenMcKenzie (who played Batman in the animated film adaptation) is now [[Series/{{Gotham}} playing Gordon.]]
** Creator/GreyDeLisle voiced Barbara, Gordon's first wife. In ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'', she voices Sarah Essen, Gordon's second wife and his mistress in ''Year One''.
** This wouldn't be [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight the last time]] Jim Gordon was voiced by [[Creator/JonathanBanks a cast member]] from ''Series/BreakingBad''.
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Zero Context Examples. The first one contradicts itself; the second one doesn't make much sense or describe anything that is genuinely scary.
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* NightmareFuel:
** Batman's attack on the mansion with the mob bosses and Commissioner Loeb is both a SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome and this.
** He's cornered by the cops, about to be killed... then a cloud of bats crashes through the windows.
** Batman's attack on the mansion with the mob bosses and Commissioner Loeb is both a SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome and this.
** He's cornered by the cops, about to be killed... then a cloud of bats crashes through the windows.
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In order: General example, ZCE, complaining, general example, complaining.
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* {{Narm}}:
** Some of Batman/Bruce's inner monologues veer into this territory.
** The crazy man holding the children hostage screaming "NO LUNCH! NO LUNCH!"
** In chapter four of the recolored version, [[http://i.imgur.com/CAMkNW6.jpg Gordon removes his glasses to reveal completely bloodshot eyes and a really weird complexion, only on his face.]] One would be forgiven for thinking he was high and jaundiced or something. What makes it especially baffling is that the original newsprint coloring gave him normal white sclera and pink skin.
** Much of the film comes off this way due to the faithfulness to the comic. Scenes that worked great in print come off as over-the-top and silly when someone is forced to say it out loud.
*** The line reading of "The lights. What happened to the lights?" during the dinner party scene is especially goofy due to the dryness of the reading.
** Some of Batman/Bruce's inner monologues veer into this territory.
** The crazy man holding the children hostage screaming "NO LUNCH! NO LUNCH!"
** In chapter four of the recolored version, [[http://i.imgur.com/CAMkNW6.jpg Gordon removes his glasses to reveal completely bloodshot eyes and a really weird complexion, only on his face.]] One would be forgiven for thinking he was high and jaundiced or something. What makes it especially baffling is that the original newsprint coloring gave him normal white sclera and pink skin.
** Much of the film comes off this way due to the faithfulness to the comic. Scenes that worked great in print come off as over-the-top and silly when someone is forced to say it out loud.
*** The line reading of "The lights. What happened to the lights?" during the dinner party scene is especially goofy due to the dryness of the reading.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Gordon saying he's practically blind without his glasses when he gets a look at Batman unmasked. Is he telling the truth or can he see it's Bruce but [[IllPretendIDidntHearThat is letting it slide out of gratitude?]]
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Gordon saying he's practically blind without his glasses when he gets a look at Batman unmasked. Is he telling the truth or can he see it's Bruce but [[IllPretendIDidntHearThat is letting it slide out of gratitude?]]gratitude?]] Slightly fueling the latter, ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns'' (which Miller has claimed to be in the same continuity) outright states that Gordon knows.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Gordon saying he's practically blind without his glasses when he gets a look at Batman unmasked. Is he telling the truth or can he see it's Bruce but [[IllPretendIDidntHearThat is letting it slide out of gratitude?]]
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* MemeticMutation: The storyline's title has become as memetic as ''Film/Breakin2ElectricBoogaloo'''s subtitle for describing SuperheroOrigin stories. Unlike ''Electric Boogaloo'' however, these [[AffectionateNickname nicknames are more affectionate]] than [[SnarkBait snarky]].
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* MemeticMutation: The storyline's title has become as memetic as ''Film/Breakin2ElectricBoogaloo'''s subtitle for describing SuperheroOrigin stories. Unlike ''Electric Boogaloo'' however, these [[AffectionateNickname nicknames are more affectionate]] than [[SnarkBait snarky]].mocking.
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* NamesTheSame: DC also released two-issue miniseries covering the origins of The Scarecrow and Two-Face that have no connection aside from the name and general idea.
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* NamesTheSame: DC also released two-issue miniseries covering the origins of The Scarecrow and Two-Face that have no connection aside from the name and general idea.
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** Batman's attack on the mansion with the mob bosses and Commissioner Loeb is both a CrowningMomentOfAwesome and this.
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** Batman's attack on the mansion with the mob bosses and Commissioner Loeb is both a CrowningMomentOfAwesome SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome and this.
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* MemeticMutation: The storyline's title has become as memetic as ''Film/Breakin2ElectricBoogaloo'''s subtitle for describing SuperheroOrigin stories. Unlike ''Electric Boogaloo'' however, these [[AffectionateNickname nicknames are more affectionate]] than [[SnarkBait snarky]].
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: You can find [=DVDs=] of this film about corrupt cops, vigilante justice, and prostitutes sharing shelves with ''WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarePants''.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: You can find [=DVDs=] of this film about corrupt cops, vigilante justice, and prostitutes sharing shelves with ''WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarePants''.''WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants''.
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** Music/GreyDeLisle voiced Barbara, Gordon's first wife. In ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'', she voices Sarah Essen, Gordon's second wife and his mistress in ''Year One''.
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** Music/GreyDeLisle Creator/GreyDeLisle voiced Barbara, Gordon's first wife. In ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'', she voices Sarah Essen, Gordon's second wife and his mistress in ''Year One''.
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* BrokenBase: There are still arguments over the comic's PostCrisis origin story subplot for ComicBook/{{Catwoman}}, as a professional {{Dominatrix}} who saw Batman in action and decided that costumed villainy would be less degrading than sex work. At the time, and to a degree today, there were accusations that it was sexist and degrading to the character, but over the years a significant faction of fans have developed who feel that later writers have developed it into a much more sophisticated and feminist-friendly depiction of sex work and how a former sex worker might deal with her past.
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* BrokenBase: There are still arguments over the comic's PostCrisis ComicBook/PostCrisis origin story subplot for ComicBook/{{Catwoman}}, as a professional {{Dominatrix}} who saw Batman in action and decided that costumed villainy would be less degrading than sex work. At the time, and to a degree today, there were accusations that it was sexist and degrading to the character, but over the years a significant faction of fans have developed who feel that later writers have developed it into a much more sophisticated and feminist-friendly depiction of sex work and how a former sex worker might deal with her past.
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* BrokenBase: There are still arguments over the comic's post-Crisis origin for ComicBook/{{Catwoman}}, as a professional {{Dominatrix}} who saw Batman in action and decided that costumed villainy would be less degrading than sex work. At the time, and to a degree today, there were accusations that it was sexist and degrading to the character, but over the years a significant faction of fans have developed who feel that later writers have developed it into a much more sophisticated and feminist-friendly depiction of sex work and how a former sex worker might deal with her past.
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* BrokenBase: There are still arguments over the comic's post-Crisis PostCrisis origin story subplot for ComicBook/{{Catwoman}}, as a professional {{Dominatrix}} who saw Batman in action and decided that costumed villainy would be less degrading than sex work. At the time, and to a degree today, there were accusations that it was sexist and degrading to the character, but over the years a significant faction of fans have developed who feel that later writers have developed it into a much more sophisticated and feminist-friendly depiction of sex work and how a former sex worker might deal with her past.
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* BrokenBase: There are still arguments over the comic's new origin for ComicBook/{{Catwoman}}, as a professional {{Dominatrix}} who saw Batman in action and decided that costumed villainy would be less degrading than sex work. At the time, and to a degree today, there were accusations that it was sexist and degrading to the character, but over the years a significant faction of fans have developed who feel that later writers have developed it into a much more sophisticated and feminist-friendly depiction of sex work and how a former sex worker might deal with her past.
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* BrokenBase: There are still arguments over the comic's new post-Crisis origin for ComicBook/{{Catwoman}}, as a professional {{Dominatrix}} who saw Batman in action and decided that costumed villainy would be less degrading than sex work. At the time, and to a degree today, there were accusations that it was sexist and degrading to the character, but over the years a significant faction of fans have developed who feel that later writers have developed it into a much more sophisticated and feminist-friendly depiction of sex work and how a former sex worker might deal with her past.
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** This wouldn't be [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight the last time]] Jim Gordon was voiced by [[Creator/JonathanBanks a cast member]] from Series/BreakingBad
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** This wouldn't be [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight the last time]] Jim Gordon was voiced by [[Creator/JonathanBanks a cast member]] from Series/BreakingBad''Series/BreakingBad''.
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** This wouldn't be [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight the last time]] Jim Gordon was voiced by [[Creator/JonathanBanks a cast member]] from Series/BreakingBad
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I believe that bit was intended to be funny.
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** Batman hiding behind Dent's desk is just... so silly to look at.
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* TheWoobie: Jim Gordon. He's a lower level good cop in Gotham without Batman for most of the story struggling with his desire to do the right thing and also rightly worried about the very real danger his family is in if he thinks to stand up. Thankfully things to start get better for him when Batman shows up.
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* TheWoobie: Jim Gordon. He's a lower level good cop in Gotham without Batman for most of the story struggling with his desire to do the right thing and also rightly worried about the very real danger his family is in if he thinks to stand up. Thankfully things to start to get better for him when Batman shows up.
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*** The line reading of "The lights. What happened to the lights?" during the dinner party scene is especially goofy due to the dryness of the reading.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: You can find [=DVDs=] of this film about corrupt cops, vigilante justice, and prostitutes sharing shelves with ''WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarePants''.
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** Batman hiding behind Dent's desk is just... so silly to look at.
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* MoralEventHorizon: The Roman ordering a hit on Gordon's son and Loeb firebombing the drunks are the two main examples.
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* MoralEventHorizon: The Roman ordering a hit on Gordon's son and Loeb firebombing the drunks are the two main examples.
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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: While the animated adaptation was praised for being a faithful adaptation, some criticised it for being ''too'' faithful to the comic.
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** Music/GreyDeLisle voiced by Barbara, Gordon's first wife. In ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'', she voices Sarah Essen, Gordon's second wife anf his mistress in ''Year One''.
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** Music/GreyDeLisle voiced by Barbara, Gordon's first wife. In ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'', she voices Sarah Essen, Gordon's second wife anf and his mistress in ''Year One''.
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* BrokenBase: There are still arguments over the comic's new origin for ComicBook/{{Catwoman}}, as a professional {{Dominatrix}} who saw Batman in action and decided that costumed villainy would be less degrading than sex work. At the time, and to a degree today, there were accusations that it was sexist and degrading to the character, but over the years a significant faction of fans have developed who feel that later writers have developed it into a much more sophisticated and feminist-friendly depiction of sex work and how a former sex worker might deal with her past.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Creator/BenMcKenzie (who played Batman in the animated film adaptation) is now [[Series/{{Gotham}} playing Gordon.]]
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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
** Creator/BenMcKenzie (who played Batman in the animated film adaptation) is now [[Series/{{Gotham}} playing Gordon.]]]]
** Music/GreyDeLisle voiced by Barbara, Gordon's first wife. In ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'', she voices Sarah Essen, Gordon's second wife anf his mistress in ''Year One''.
** Creator/BenMcKenzie (who played Batman in the animated film adaptation) is now [[Series/{{Gotham}} playing Gordon.
** Music/GreyDeLisle voiced by Barbara, Gordon's first wife. In ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'', she voices Sarah Essen, Gordon's second wife anf his mistress in ''Year One''.
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** Every moment between Gordon and his son, James Gordon Jr., who disappeared for the next decades only to return as one of the most [[TheSociopath sadistic]] {{Serial Killer}}s in the entire DC Universe.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Every single scene in the story that reinforces Bruce's ThouShallNotKill stance has become this after [[ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder the next chronological story in the "Dark Knight Universe"]] shows him having zero trouble when it comes to killing people.
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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
** Every single scene in the story that reinforces Bruce's ThouShallNotKill stance has become this after [[ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder the next chronological story in the "Dark Knight Universe"]] shows him having zero trouble when it comes to killing people.
** Every single scene in the story that reinforces Bruce's ThouShallNotKill stance has become this after [[ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder the next chronological story in the "Dark Knight Universe"]] shows him having zero trouble when it comes to killing people.
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** The main mob boss of this 1987 series is named Carmine '''Falcone'''. In 1992, Italian ''judge'' Giovanni '''Falcone''' was murdered by the Mafia alongside his wife and three bodyguards for actually loosening their grip on Sicily.