History YMMV / Batman

** Given how much Batman has been [[DependingOnTheArtist interpreted by artists over the years]], fans are very divided over how Batman should be drawn in the comics, and there is little-to-no agreement over which is more "definitive".
*** What should the color of the cape and cowl be? Blue or black? Some fans find blue to be more striking than black, while others find black to be cooler and more fitting for a Dark Knight. Generally speaking, this tends to boil down to which version of Batman one prefers, with fans of the more classic Batman depictions from the 1940s-to-70s tending to go for blue, while more modern fans lean towards black.
*** Which is the better emblem for Batman? The black bat emblem or the yellow oval Bat-insignia (also [[FanNickname called the yellow oval by fans]])? Some prefer the yellow oval for being more striking and distinguishable than a simple black bat, while others find it dumb that Batman would incorporate such an obvious target unto his suit[[note]]though, in some comics, like ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'', that's the whole point of the symbol InUniverse, as it was made so shooters would target the bright yellow symbol instead of the rest of his body[[/note]] and prefer the black bat for being cooler looking.

* AngstWhatAngst:
** Stephanie Brown as [[ComicBook/Batgirl2009 Batgirl]]. Not that we're complaining...
** [[ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} Dick]] too. Sometimes he's written as grimly as Bruce, but mostly he's generally happy and friendly. Essentially, he was the FunPersonified character before Steph took that role. Some fans have commented that its a shame the two don't get to interact much.
** This was [[ComicBook/{{Robin}} Tim Drake]]'s characterization before the writers had his father killed off in ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis2004''.
* ArchivePanic: Trying to figure out where to start reading Batman's adventures? You may as well just pick an issue and not worry about it. The character has been published monthly since 1939, often in multiple comics per month (to date, he has 19 ongoing series, which often intertwine with each other story wise, and often into other DC series as well). Archive collections from DC help, but even they haven't reprinted all 80 years worth of comics.

* AudienceAlienatingEra: [[AudienceAlienatingEra/{{Batman}} Now it has its own page.]]

** [[http://www.flickr.com/photos/sa_steve/4237063835/in/photostream/ This]] Batman and Superman comic cover.

* MoralEventHorizon:
** For many fans, Bruce's beating of Jason Todd -- who never fights back and had just seen his teammates snatched into an alternate dimension -- in RHATO #25 for shooting the Penguin, especially when the World's Greatest Detective didn't realize until he was told that the bullets were blanks, was the point of no return for the character and basically killed any idea of comics Bruce being considered a good parent. It didn't help that only a couple of years prior, Bruce had beaten the crap out of Dick Grayson to convince him to fake his death and not tell his family so he could join Spyral, making this effectively a repeat performance of abuse. Bruce's subsequent slapping around of Tim Drake in Batman #71 was the nail in the coffin for those who hadn't washed their hands of him. It seems even the writers realized this was going too far, which is why they tried to pull an AuthorsSavingThrow by revealing that it was a method Bruce was using [[spoiler:to "discreetly" tell Tim to tell the rest of the Bat-Family to use more secure communications]]. Unfortunately, it made no sense and it was a blatant AssPull, so fans refused to acknowledge it.
** Bruce ended up crossing it again in [[ComicBook/TheGothamWar Gotham War]]. Bruce has never really been the image of sanity, but he clearly crossed a very big line when he kidnaps and injects a solution into Jason that paralyzes him with fear whenever his adrenaline kicks up. While this is definitely Zur-En-Arrh telling him to do these things, the fact that Bruce went ahead and decided "Yeah, this is a really good idea" shows how far he's fallen.
** Joker sure as hell leaped over the event horizon in 1988, when he [[ComicBook/TheKillingJoke crippled Barbara Gordon, stripped her, took pictures of her nude body, and then used that to torture Commissioner Gordon]]. And if that wasn't enough, he then [[ComicBook/ADeathInTheFamily tortured and murdered Jason Todd]].

* CantUnHearIt: Fans, particularly the ones who grew up with ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' as their first exposure to Batman, consider Creator/KevinConroy's interpretation of Batman to be '''the''' voice of the character, and hear just about any dialogue from Batman in Conroy's voice.

** Don't you dare suggest that Batman and Superman are enemies, or that they hate each other's guts. The exact nature of their relationship is DependingOnTheWriter, but they are usually VitriolicBestBuds at worst (and straight-up best buds in pre-Crisis media). Serious conflict between them is usually reserved for AlternateUniverse[=/=]BadFuture situations and/or certain adaptations (''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'' et al).

** Don't you dare suggest that Batman and Superman are enemies, or that they hate each other's guts.

* [[EnsembleDarkHorse/{{Batman}} Ensemble DarkHorse]]

* [[AudienceAlienatingEra/{{Batman Audience Alienating Era]]

* AudienceAlienatingEra:
** For Bruce Wayne:
*** The "new direction" of the 1960s, with the blue cowl and wacky [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] sci-fi hijinx.
*** ''ComicBook/BatmanTomKing'', where he flat-out became an UnintentionallyUnsympathetic DesignatedHero [[spoiler:after Selina left him at the altar]] and started abusing and neglecting his family.
** For Dick Grayson:
*** Devin Grayson's "Born Again" arc. Not only was it flawed from supposition one (Nightwing, one of the most well connected superheroes being alienated in an attempt to "rebuild him"), time constraints from the then-upcoming ''Infinite Crisis'' only made it worse. It's CanonDiscontinuity now, thankfully.
*** There was almost certainly people who hoped that Robin would be a Dork Age for Batman when he first showed up (hint: it was actually [[CharacterDevelopment the exact opposite]]), even with what little continuity there was back then.
*** And Bruce Jones' "Nightwing: One Year Later" storyline. With its tentacle monsters and [[SecretIdentity Dick]] ''modelling Nightwing suits''. Yeah, there are reasons people [[FanonDiscontinuity don't like to talk about "Nightwing: One Year Later"]].
*** Nightwing as Renegade AKA Deathstroke's apprentice. [[SarcasmMode Thanks again for this, Ms. Grayson!]]
** For Cassandra Cain... boyhowdy. Adam Beechen wrote her from being near mute with deep psychological dyslexic issues into someone who monologued and knew Navajo. And she took personal pleasure in killing people. The whole thing was retconned heavily, but in the process of doing so, DC handed Cassandra back to Beechen, who more or less ended almost all of Cassandra's notable character hooks (including killing off her dad and solidifying that she was now fully literate and talkative). After that, she fell OutOfFocus, was ExiledFromContinuity for a few years, and only ''finally'' started clawing back some of her old ground in ''Batman and Robin Eternal'', which also completely scrubbed her history and started from scratch.
** Tim Drake's history after ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis2004'' turned into a rollercoaster, as he lost most of the traits that drew readers to him initially (his dad died, his girlfriend died, his once-uncontested niche as Batman's main partner suddenly became incredibly crowded), and attempts to graduate him to a new identity seemed to only further underline that he had become TheArtifact. The New 52 handing him to Scott Lobdell for extended periods didn't help matters.

* ParanoiaFuel: Doesn't matter if you're a good guy or a bad guy... Batman is watching you. ''ALWAYS WATCHING YOU.''

* WTHCastingAgency: Seems to be a recurring pattern for [[LiveActionAdaptation Live-Action Adaptations]] of the character. Every new actor announced to play the role has been met with initial backlash from the fans. Each time, however, said actor promptly shuts them up and becomes the Batman.

* EnsembleDarkHorse:
** It's not uncommon for people to name Tim as their favorite and most relatable character as unlike Dick or Jason, he had the most "normal" life prior to putting on the mask, which means he often [[AudienceSurrogate reacts the same way the reader would in a situation.]]
** Cassandra Cain. Despite rarely appearing at all in crossovers and having her only media exposure being a one-second cameo in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'', a [[TheProblemWithLicensedGames crappy video game]], and [[Film/BirdsOfPrey2020 a movie]] where a character shared her name [[InNameOnly and nothing else]], despite getting pushed around and trainwrecked by editorial a lot and vanishing entirely in recent days, she still has a dedicated fanbase, and it's not hard to find bits from her solo comic posted on the current Scans Daily to this day, four years after it ended. What's more, she's on par with Barbara Gordon in fanart and fanfiction, even though Barbara [[Series/Batman1966 has gotten many]] [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries times as much]] [[WesternAnimation/TheBatman exposure as her.]]
** Damian Wayne, ComicBook/{{Batman}}'s son, was initially intended to die after his first storyline, and was widely disliked by fans for his bad attitude and violent behavior. He was then made into the new Robin, and became the co-headliner of the immensely popular ''[[ComicBook/BatmanGrantMorrison Batman and Robin]]'' series. He has since developed a sizable fanbase, and ''Batman and Robin'' continues to be a strong seller. He was even briefly added to the ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'' as part of a stunt to raise the title's sagging sales. [[spoiler:This still didn't stop his creator from going through with his original plans and finally killed him. He ''does'' shown the ramifications this though, as Batman goes through an even more brutal and perhaps even psychotic phase that only improves after Damian is brought back, which took a year in real life.]]
** '''Colin Wilkes.''' This kid seriously wins. He's only been in '''6''' issues (the first three of which are usually only read because the latter three mention them). In the latter three, he shows that he's become a vigilante and helps Damian break up a fight ring run by Zsasz, becoming sort-of friends with Damian. And knows that Damian is Robin. And is adorable (when not transformed into Abuse anyways).
*** And has more fanart/fanfiction than you would believe. Going by Website/DeviantArt or Tumblr, one could be forgiven for not realizing Colin's a ''very'' minor character.
*** Seemingly has paid off in that he is a regular character in the spin-off all-ages comic ''Lil Gotham''.
** Stephanie Brown. Despite having a lot of haters (mostly on sites like Bleeding Cool), for someone who was treated like crap by Batman and editors/writers alike, she has one very notable fanbase. While most people say Cass is their favorite Batgirl, Steph will usually be their second choice (mostly since everyone prefers Babs as Oracle), and if not they'll say Steph with Cass following. Their fans are something of a group of VitriolicBestBuds and HeterosexualLifePartners. Steph, however, speaks volumes though: Her series was a consistent financial success (every issue made it into the top 100 comics selling that month, including both Marvel and Indie titles) but also a constant ''critical darling''. Her first Trade, ''Batgirl Rising'' was the ''only'' DC comic book set in the main universe to make it into USA Today's top ten comic books of 2010. Editors may hate her, but she's one popular bird.
** Calvin Rose a.k.a. Talon has been gaining a great deal of popularity as well.
** ComicBook/HarleyQuinn. [[NewerThanTheyThink If you can believe it,]] she's only been an official part of the DC Universe since 1999, but she has arguably the biggest fan following of ''any'' Bat-mythos character other than Batman or ComicBook/TheJoker (and possibly ComicBook/{{Catwoman}}). Since joining the comic continuity, she's had her own starring series, numerous major appearances in spin-offs like ''VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs'', and frequent reappearances in adaptations and {{Bat Family Crossover}}s. Not bad for a character who started out as the [[DistaffCounterpart female counterpart]] of ComicBook/TheJoker [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries in a TV show]].
** Onomatopoeia, a villain introduced by Kevin Smith, is immensely popular with fans even though he's yet to make an appearance since "The Widening Gyre". He's basically a superhero SerialKiller who [[PaintingTheMedium only speaks in sound effects]] and is a total mental and physical match for Batman. Doubles as TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter since many feel that he'd make an awesome archenemy/EvilCounterpart for Batman.
** A lot of GCPD officers and detectives such as Renee Montoya, Harvey Bullock, Crispus Allen, Jason Bard, Hardback Bock, Marcus Driver, Sarge Davies, Josie Macdonald" Vincent Del Arrazio, Joely Bartlett and Tommy Burke (particularly the first four) are extremely popular, with several of them sometimes even being considered part of the Batfamily.
** A bunch of the more obscure Batman Inc./Club of Heroes members are really popular with fans such as Batwing, El Gaucho, Nightrunner, Dark Ranger, Man-of-Bats, and Batcow.
** Black Mask is frequently cited as an example of a great Batman villain who is woefully underused. Maybe it's his [[EvilIsCool cool look]] or maybe it's his [[TheChessmaster Xanatos-style intelligence]], but in any case fans seem to really like the guy. Him getting HijackedByGanon in ''Arkham Origins'' just caused much of the fanbase to clamor even harder for him to get a day in the limelight.
** Despite being a relatively recent edition to the Rogue's Gallery, Professor Pyg quickly became a memorable villain, due to his unique creep factor.
** Despite being a very new character Mr. Bloom has managed to become very popular, with many people praising his unique design, powers, and general style.
** Kite Man in Tom King's run on the ''Rebirth'' series partially due to how ridiculously petty his crimes are, coupled with [[SmallNameBigEgo just how proud of himself he is while he uses his suit for petty theft]]. King has noticed this and made his appearances something of a running gag.
** Carmine Falcone only shows up in the nineties as a [[Film/TheGodfather Vito Corleone]]-expy who fights Batman and Gordon for a few arcs, then is supplanted by the theme villains. However, he made such a big impression that he's the go-to character to represent Gotham's organized crime in any live-action Batman adaptation.
** GreatDetective Harvey Harris and GadgeteerGenius Sergei Alexandrov are often considered to be two of Batman's most interesting and underused mentors despite their less than ten combined appearances (as of 2023).

* StrangledByTheRedString: Tim Drake and Bernard Dowd. It's not that fans don't think Tim being bisexual is a bad thing, since it's stands him out a bit more against the other Robins, it's that the person who has been writing Tim's adventures since the change, Meghan Fitzmartin, has been doing her damnedest to completely derail Stephanie and Tim's previous relationship - in the ''Batman: Urban Legends'' storyline, he completely and utterly ignores her and refuses to even think of telling her what's going on; in ''ComicBook/DarkCrisis: Young Justice'', there's a scene where "Batman" tells Tim that his infatuation with Bernard is "just a phase" and he'll go back to Stephanie soon; and in Tim's new ongoing, ''Tim Drake: Robin'', Tim suggests that he just "settled for" dating Stephanie before Bernard.

* FountainOfMemes: Batman spawns [[Memes/{{Batman}} a lot of memes]] due to a combination of his stoic and serious demeanor, his GoodIsNotNice personality, his stemming in part from [[ParentalAbandonment his famously tragic backstory]], his CrazyPrepared-ness, and his ability to [[BadassNormal get around not having superpowers]].

* EvilIsSexy:
** Catwoman. Though she's not ''exactly'' evil.
** [[Characters/HarleyQuinnTheCharacter Harley Quinn]]. Happy to murder henchmen at the drop of a hat and always drawn in a painted-on harlequin jester's outfit that frequently got 'upgraded' to a latex version, and later got replaced with a skimpy [[OfCorsetsSexy corset]] and microshorts.
** And Poison Ivy. Good ''lord'', Poison Ivy.

** Cassandra Cain. Despite rarely appearing at all in crossovers and having her only media exposure being a one-second cameo in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'', a [[TheProblemWithLicensedGames crappy video game]], and [[Film/BirdsOfPrey a movie]] where a character shared her name [[InNameOnly and nothing else]], despite getting pushed around and trainwrecked by editorial a lot and vanishing entirely in recent days, she still has a dedicated fanbase, and it's not hard to find bits from her solo comic posted on the current Scans Daily to this day, four years after it ended. What's more, she's on par with Barbara Gordon in fanart and fanfiction, even though Barbara [[Series/Batman1966 has gotten many]] [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries times as much]] [[WesternAnimation/TheBatman exposure as her.]]

** This was [[ComicBook/{{Robin}} Tim Drake]]'s characterization before the writers had his father killed off in ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis''.

** Tim Drake's history after ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'' turned into a rollercoaster, as he lost most of the traits that drew readers to him initially (his dad died, his girlfriend died, his once-uncontested niche as Batman's main partner suddenly became incredibly crowded), and attempts to graduate him to a new identity seemed to only further underline that he had become TheArtifact. The New 52 handing him to Scott Lobdell for extended periods didn't help matters.

** [[http://www.comicbooktidbits.com/BATMAN%20BATTLES%20JOKER.htm This page]] compiles old ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'' comics which use the word 'boner' to refer to a mistake. HilarityEnsues.

** Stephanie Brown as [[Comicbook/Batgirl2009 Batgirl]]. Not that we're complaining...

** This was [[Comicbook/{{Robin}} Tim Drake]]'s characterization before the writers had his father killed off in ''Comicbook/IdentityCrisis''.

** In [[Comicbook/BatmanGrantMorrison Grant Morrison’s Batman series]], during the “Batman RIP” arc, it’s revealed that Batman somehow managed to implant a backup split personality in his mind in case he came under psychological attack, known as the “Batman of Zurr-En-Arrh. While most agree that it’s an awesome idea, it doesn’t really have much buildup to foreshadow the split-personality’s existence, and for the most part, [[DeusExMachina it basically comes right out of nowhere]]. The idea also raises some questions, since this isn’t the first time that Batman has come under psychological attack or been mentally destroyed. [[FridgeLogic Scarecrow, The Joker, Bane, Ra’s Al Ghul and plenty of other villains have also managed to attack and damage Batman's psyche in the past, so why didn’t the split personality activate to protect Bruce back then]]?
** A huge one happened in issue #130 of the 2016 series ([[Comicbook/BatmanChipZdarsky Zdarsky’s run]]). It’s also got some serious ArtisticLicenseSpace going on too. In that issue, Batman somehow survives getting ejected in space, somehow doesn’t immediately die, somehow just happens to have an air tank in his ship, somehow managed to rig one of it’s parts to propulse himself back to Earth in about 10-15 hours (we know that this is how long it took him, because the book points out that there’s only about 10-15 hours of air in his tank), then somehow managed to survive ''atmospheric re-entry while wearing no protection apart from a cheap plastic mask and the Batsuit''. What makes this so baffling is that: A), he should’ve died very quickly from being ejected into the vaccuum of space and being exposed to it for so long. B), he had been propulsed away from Earth even farther than the Moon, so even with his ship’s rocket booster, it should have taken him a few days to return to Earth and his air tank would’ve run out by then. And C), the fact that the Batsuit, and even the cheap plastic mask Bruce was wearing on his face, were both durable enough to survive atmospheric re-entry, despite the fact that the Batsuit would definitely not be made to last in such conditions (for context, Batman isn’t wearing any specialized Batsuits or anything like that, he’s just wearing his default costume). It also raises some serious FridgeLogic: If the Batsuit can somehow survive the sheer cold of the vaccuum of space and survive during atmospheric re-entry, then how are villains like [[AnIcePerson Mr. Freeze]] or [[PlayingWithFire Firefly]] even able to hurt Batman at all? And even if the Batsuit was somehow able to survive all that, it wouldn’t explain how the plastic mask didn’t immediately melt unto Bruce’s face and scar him for life either.

** Damian Wayne, Franchise/{{Batman}}'s son, was initially intended to die after his first storyline, and was widely disliked by fans for his bad attitude and violent behavior. He was then made into the new Robin, and became the co-headliner of the immensely popular ''[[ComicBook/BatmanGrantMorrison Batman and Robin]]'' series. He has since developed a sizable fanbase, and ''Batman and Robin'' continues to be a strong seller. He was even briefly added to the ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'' as part of a stunt to raise the title's sagging sales. [[spoiler:This still didn't stop his creator from going through with his original plans and finally killed him. He ''does'' shown the ramifications this though, as Batman goes through an even more brutal and perhaps even psychotic phase that only improves after Damian is brought back, which took a year in real life.]]

** ComicBook/HarleyQuinn. [[NewerThanTheyThink If you can believe it,]] she's only been an official part of the DC Universe since 1999, but she has arguably the biggest fan following of ''any'' Bat-mythos character other than Batman or Comicbook/TheJoker (and possibly ComicBook/{{Catwoman}}). Since joining the comic continuity, she's had her own starring series, numerous major appearances in spin-offs like ''VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs'', and frequent reappearances in adaptations and {{Bat Family Crossover}}s. Not bad for a character who started out as the [[DistaffCounterpart female counterpart]] of ComicBook/TheJoker [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries in a TV show]].

** With Franchise/{{Superman}} fans, though there are [[FriendlyFandoms those who miss]] the days when they were the World's Finest and respect both characters. Batman fans think Superman is an overpowered, boring one-dimensional goody two shoes and his fans are children with a lack of understanding of the world. Superman fans think that Batman is an overrated, wangsty, ineffective man-child and that most of his fans are biased, overly-cynical jackasses that don't actually read comics and think cynicism equals realism, and whose combination of absurd wealth and CharlesAtlasSuperpower is no more or less realistic than a FlyingBrick who works a day job as a reporter.

** In case it wasn't clear, Batman is perhaps the most popular superhero of all time and DC's biggest CashCowFranchise. So occasionally there will be arguments between Batman fans and fans of [[Creator/MarvelComics Marvel's]] [[Franchise/SpiderMan most popular character]] over which one is the better superhero.

** ComicBook/SwampThing, Wildcat, [[Franchise/SpiderMan Spider]]-[[IntercontinuityCrossover Man]] and Franchise/{{Superman}} have beaten him on occasion, though, and he has admitted that a fight between him and ComicBook/CaptainAmerica could go either way with him completely unsure who would have the greater chance of winning.

** A good deal of fans have gotten a creepy vibe that the Mad Hatter is a pedophile. Whether or not this is a reference to the possibility that Creator/LewisCarroll was a suspected pedophile, ''Comicbook/ArkhamAsylumASeriousHouseOnSeriousEarth'' and ''Streets of Gotham'' have only cemented the idea of Tetch being one.

** Bruce ended up crossing it again in [[Comicbook/TheGothamWar Gotham War]]. Bruce has never really been the image of sanity, but he clearly crossed a very big line when he kidnaps and injects a solution into Jason that paralyzes him with fear whenever his adrenaline kicks up. While this is definitely Zur-En-Arrh telling him to do these things, the fact that Bruce went ahead and decided "Yeah, this is a really good idea" shows how far he's fallen.

** A newspaper comic strip arc had Batman getting his back broken and having a temporary replacement wearing the cowl (Franchise/{{Superman}} no less!) over two decades before it happened in ''ComicBook/{{Knightfall}}''.

** A bunch of the more obscure Batman Inc./Club of Heroes members are really popular with fans such as Batwing, El Gaucho, Nightrunner, and Batcow.

** This can also extend to "Batman and characters connected to Batman" versus "every other character DC owns who isn't Batman or connected to Batman." More or less, there's a considerable segment of DC fans who like Batman's mythos and ''only'' Batman's mythos, and DC has [[WolverinePublicity historically been alright with catering to them]], often [[SupermanStaysOutOfGotham walling Batman off from the rest of the world]] or having him [[PopularityPower make unusually large showings in crossovers]]. This often results in said Batman-only fans, on a good day, treating all other characters and stories as only relevant in how they inform Batman, and on a bad day, insulting non-Batman superheroes as a bunch of ineffectual losers who are nowhere near as cool and badass as he is. Fans of other characters tend to react to this in exactly the manner you'd expect. In general, it's much less common for, say, fans of ComicBook/{{Flash}} and fans of ComicBook/GreenLantern to get mad at each other than it is for fans of either character to get mad at fans of Batman.

** Bruce ended up crossing it again in [[Comicbook/TheGothamWar Gohtam War]]. Bruce has never really been the image of sanity, but he clearly crossed a very big line when he kidnaps and injects a solution into Jason that paralyzes him with fear whenever his adrenaline kicks up. While this is definitely Zur-En-Arrh telling him to do these things, the fact that Bruce went ahead and decided "Yeah, this is a really good idea" shows how far he's fallen.

* DesignatedHero: Bruce can dip into this ''a lot'', mostly in regards to his abusive treatment of his sons. While it's probably the most prominent in his treatment of Jason, especially in the New 52 and Rebirth, his treatment of Dick, his 'favorite' son is hardly any better at times (which makes Jason's jealousy and resentment of Dick painfully ironic). While with Tim, it usually never gets physical like it does with his older brothers, the emotional manipulation is just as damaging. Damian is the one best off -- he usually only has to deal with ParentalNeglect. This has been a major point of contention for fans in recent years, especially in the age of social media where child abuse is a hot button topic that has an increasing amount of awareness. As a result of that, it becomes ''very'' hard to root for Bruce knowing he never really apologizes or admits that he's wrong for what he's been doing to all of them.

* AuthorsSavingThrow: As it eventually turned out, Deathstroke was feeding Cassandra [[BrainwashedAndCrazy mind-control drugs]].