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** Dick/Barbara too, at least among the Batman subsection of the DC fandom. Has gone back and forth between being canon or not, but usually the two are at least very close friends. A lot of Batman fans love them together, with {{ShipMates Kory/Dick and Dinah/Babs}} being the usual alternative—though it's not unusual for fandoms to [[OneTrueThreesome combine the pairings]]. Dick/Barbara is also an example of a pairing that is also loved by the Batman writers themselves.

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** Dick/Barbara too, at least among the Batman subsection of the DC fandom. Has gone back and forth between being canon or not, but usually the two are at least very close friends. A lot of Batman fans love them together, with {{ShipMates [[ShipMates Kory/Dick and Dinah/Babs}} Dinah/Babs]] being the usual alternative—though it's not unusual for fandoms to [[OneTrueThreesome combine the pairings]]. Dick/Barbara is also an example of a pairing that is also loved by the Batman writers themselves.


** Batman/Catwoman is as close to canon as any have ever been, but writers keep them apart based on the "she's a criminal, he's Batman" premise. They seemed to become FriendsWithBenefits before the events of ''Final Crisis''.
** Batman/Wonder Woman is a favorite ship of one third of comic fandom (that other two thirds preferring Superman/Wonder Woman and Superman/Batman). It's even suggested that she had an unrequited love for him during ''Blackest Night''.

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** Batman/Catwoman is as close to canon as any have ever been, but writers keep them apart based on the "she's a criminal, he's Batman" premise. They seemed to become FriendsWithBenefits before the events of ''Final Crisis''.
Crisis''. They even almost got married, and fans were ''not'' happy when they didn't go through with it.
** Batman/Wonder Woman is a favorite ship of one third of comic Trinity fandom (that other two thirds preferring Superman/Wonder Woman and Superman/Batman). It's even suggested that she had an unrequited love for him during ''Blackest Night''.



** Dick/Barbara too. Has gone back and forth between being canon or not, but usually the two are incredibly close. Almost all fans love them together, with Kori/Dick and Dinah/Babs being the usual seconds, though it's not unusual for fandoms to [[OneTrueThreesome combine the pairings]]. Dick/Barbara is also an example of a pairing that is also loved by the DC writers themselves.

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** Dick/Barbara too. too, at least among the Batman subsection of the DC fandom. Has gone back and forth between being canon or not, but usually the two are incredibly close. Almost all at least very close friends. A lot of Batman fans love them together, with Kori/Dick {{ShipMates Kory/Dick and Dinah/Babs Dinah/Babs}} being the usual seconds, though alternative—though it's not unusual for fandoms to [[OneTrueThreesome combine the pairings]]. Dick/Barbara is also an example of a pairing that is also loved by the DC Batman writers themselves.



* FandomRivalry: With the ComicBook/TeenTitans fandom, largely over both books' claims to Dick Grayson. The Dick/Kory vs. Dick/Babs ship war is generally seen as a microcosm for this.



** Dick/Babs vs Dick/Kori vs Dick/Helena. Oh god. Not helping matters were writers who participated. Creator/ChuckDixon, in his Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} run, was rather dismissive of the Dick/Kori relationship, to favor Dick and Barbara, the latter who starred in his Comicbook/BirdsOfPrey run. But then there was Devin Grayson who wrote a romantic encounter between Dick and Helena in the Nightwing/Huntress mini-series.

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** Dick/Babs vs Dick/Kori Dick/Kory vs Dick/Helena. Oh god. Not helping matters were the writers who participated. Creator/ChuckDixon, in his Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} run, was rather dismissive of the Dick/Kori relationship, Dick/Kory relationship in order to favor Dick and Barbara, the latter who of whom starred in his Comicbook/BirdsOfPrey run. But then there was Devin Grayson who wrote a romantic encounter between Dick and Helena in the Nightwing/Huntress mini-series.


** Mr. Freeze's changed origin in the New 52, changing him from a man desperately trying to save his terminally ill wife to... a guy who has a sick obsession with a frozen woman he doesn't know. Taking the poster boy for EvenEvilHasLovedOnes and turning him into just another crazy person in a Rogues Gallery full of crazy people has not been well-received, and it's mocked for how "edgy" the writers wanted to be. Noticeably, Freeze wasn't used much in the New 52, and by the time he got a bit of a spotlight in ComicBook/DCRebirth, it seems like the New 52 change could've been undone.

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** Mr. Freeze's changed origin in the New 52, changing him from a man desperately trying to save his terminally ill wife to... a guy who has a sick obsession with a frozen woman he doesn't know. Taking the poster boy for EvenEvilHasLovedOnes and turning him into just another crazy person in a Rogues Gallery full of crazy people has not been well-received, and it's mocked for how "edgy" the writers wanted to be. Noticeably, Freeze wasn't used much in the New 52, and by the time he got a bit of a spotlight in ComicBook/DCRebirth, it seems seemed like the New 52 change could've been undone.was undone, as Batman mentions Nora being Victor's wife (in a way that didn't come off like he was humouring Freeze, which he had no reason to do)... before ''Detective Comics'' outright thawed her out and had the two very clearly be husband and wife, putting the New 52 origin into completely into CanonDiscontinuity.


* ShipToShipCombat: With a huge cast of characters, there are quite a few of these:
** Bruce/Selina vs Bruce/Talia is a major point of contention. Not helping is Grant Morrison's characterization of Talia as a full-on villain. Then there's also the fanbase who [[ShipsThatPassInTheNight prefers Bruce with Wonder Woman]].
** Dick/Babs vs Dick/Kori vs Dick/Helena. Oh god. Not helping matters were writers who participated. Creator/ChuckDixon, in his Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} run, was rather dismissive of the Dick/Kori relationship, to favor Dick and Barbara, the latter who starred in his Comicbook/BirdsOfPrey run. But then there was Devin Grayson who wrote a romantic encounter between Dick and Helena in the Nightwing/Huntress mini-series.
** Tim and Steph may be an OfficialCouple, but there are plenty who prefer [[ShipMates Tim with Kon (Superboy), and Steph with Cass (Batgirl)]].



* ShipsThatPassInTheNight: For a brief time, Flamebird was looking to be linked with [[ComicBook/TeenTitans Beast Boy]].
* ShipToShipCombat: With a huge cast of characters, there are quite a few of these:
** Bruce/Selina vs Bruce/Talia is a major point of contention. Not helping is Grant Morrison's characterization of Talia as a full-on villain. Then there's also the fanbase who [[ShipsThatPassInTheNight prefers Bruce with Wonder Woman]].
** Dick/Babs vs Dick/Kori vs Dick/Helena. Oh god. Not helping matters were writers who participated. Creator/ChuckDixon, in his Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} run, was rather dismissive of the Dick/Kori relationship, to favor Dick and Barbara, the latter who starred in his Comicbook/BirdsOfPrey run. But then there was Devin Grayson who wrote a romantic encounter between Dick and Helena in the Nightwing/Huntress mini-series.
** Tim and Steph may be an OfficialCouple, but there are plenty who prefer [[ShipMates Tim with Kon (Superboy), and Steph with Cass (Batgirl)]].
* StrawmanHasAPoint: Jason Todd, the second Robin. After having been killed by the [[{{ComicBook/TheJoker}} Joker]], he [[DeathIsCheap came back]] and went on a [[KnightTemplar violent killing spree against criminals]]; convinced it is the only way to stop crime for good. In the climax, he defends his stance to Batman by pointing out that in not killing the Joker, Batman essentially guarantees the Joker will claim more victims. Batman replies he will not kill the Joker because [[IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim it would be too easy the next time.]] While Jason is a typical strawman of heroes willing to kill by being a total psychopath, his comments about the Joker were sound, even going as far as pointing out the slippery-slope fallacy of Batman's counterargument.



* ShipsThatPassInTheNight: For a brief time, Flamebird was looking to be linked with [[ComicBook/TeenTitans Beast Boy]].
* StrawmanHasAPoint: Jason Todd, the second Robin. After having been killed by the [[{{ComicBook/TheJoker}} Joker]], he [[DeathIsCheap came back]] and went on a [[KnightTemplar violent killing spree against criminals]]; convinced it is the only way to stop crime for good. In the climax, he defends his stance to Batman by pointing out that in not killing the Joker, Batman essentially guarantees the Joker will claim more victims. Batman replies he will not kill the Joker because [[IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim it would be too easy the next time.]] While Jason is a typical strawman of heroes willing to kill by being a total psychopath, his comments about the Joker were sound, even going as far as pointing out the slippery-slope fallacy of Batman's counterargument.


* CargoShip: [=JasonXCrowbar=]. Its gotten to the point that Jason is usually associated with a crowbar in the fandom.

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* CargoShip: [=JasonXCrowbar=]. Its CargoShip:
** Jason/crowbar. It's
gotten to the point that Jason is usually associated with a crowbar in the fandom.fandom.
** There's also [[MustHaveCaffeine Tim/coffee]]. It's gotten [[https://storygirl000.tumblr.com/post/188151555816/phantomchick-imnotafan-crazysnake19 fairly ridiculous]] at this point.

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*** Even among his fandom you can see a clear divide, often lining up closely with AlternativeCharacterInterpretation and [[NostalgiaFilter which stories fans grew up with]]. There is a large number of Batman fans who only know him through his darkest stories and see him as a brooding loner who should never work with other heroes at all and want his tales to dig into darkest aspects of crime and human nature. Then there are fans who enjoy the "found family" aspect of Batman and like him as a center of the rich cast of personalities that is the Batfamily and want nothing but to see this utilized to full extend and are sick of demands for constant darkness, wanting more balance and variety. Neither group really gets that well with people nostalgic for the good old days when Batman was a goofy Silver Age character, who consider darker stories an abomination and all members of Batfamily except Dick and Barbara to "not count".


* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: Gotham’s status as a pastiche of [[TheBigRottenApple a dirty, crime- infested New York City]] has become dated in recent years. Since about the mid-90s, New York has undergone rapid gentrification and is now one of the safest big cities in the entire world. It’s even arguably been cleaned up too much.


** Cassandra Cain. Despite rarely appearing at all in crossovers and having her only media exposure being a one-second cameo in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' and a [[TheProblemWithLicensedGames crappy video game]], despite getting pushed around and trainwrecked by editorial a lot and vanishing entirely in recent days, she still has a dedicated fanbase, and it's not hard to find bits from her solo comic posted on the current Scans Daily to this day, four years after it ended. What's more, she's on par with Barbara Gordon in fanart and fanfiction, even though Barbara [[Series/{{Batman}} has gotten many]] [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries times as much]] [[WesternAnimation/TheBatman exposure as her.]]

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** Cassandra Cain. Despite rarely appearing at all in crossovers and having her only media exposure being a one-second cameo in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' and a [[TheProblemWithLicensedGames crappy video game]], despite getting pushed around and trainwrecked by editorial a lot and vanishing entirely in recent days, she still has a dedicated fanbase, and it's not hard to find bits from her solo comic posted on the current Scans Daily to this day, four years after it ended. What's more, she's on par with Barbara Gordon in fanart and fanfiction, even though Barbara [[Series/{{Batman}} [[Series/Batman1966 has gotten many]] [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries times as much]] [[WesternAnimation/TheBatman exposure as her.]]

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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: Gotham’s status as a pastiche of [[TheBigRottenApple a dirty, crime- infested New York City]] has become dated in recent years. Since about the mid-90s, New York has undergone rapid gentrification and is now one of the safest big cities in the entire world. It’s even arguably been cleaned up too much.


* CargoShip: JasonXCrowbar. Its gotten to the point that Jason is usually associated with a crowbar in the fandom.

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* CargoShip: JasonXCrowbar.[=JasonXCrowbar=]. Its gotten to the point that Jason is usually associated with a crowbar in the fandom.

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* CargoShip: JasonXCrowbar. Its gotten to the point that Jason is usually associated with a crowbar in the fandom.


** This is {{Lampshaded}} in an episode of ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' [[TakeThat that was directed at]] the show's {{Hatedom}}. In it, Bat-Mite lectures a group of fanboys about how many character shifts Batman has gone through since the GoldenAge, and sums it all up by saying a Batman who goes on sci-fi adventures and cracks jokes is ''just as valid'' and true to the source material as a Batman who's [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries a grim vigilante]] [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga that slinks through alleyways while angrily screaming into the night]].

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** This is {{Lampshaded}} in an episode of ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' [[TakeThat that was directed at]] the show's {{Hatedom}}. In it, Bat-Mite lectures a group of fanboys about how many character shifts Batman has gone through since the GoldenAge, and sums it all up by saying a Batman who goes on sci-fi adventures and cracks jokes is ''just as valid'' and true to the source material as a Batman who's [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries a grim vigilante]] [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga [[Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy that slinks through alleyways while angrily screaming into the night]].



* MarthDebutedInSmashBros: Many people attribute Batman's ability to glide with his cape to Film/TheDarkKnightSaga when it's actually been around since the ''forties''.

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* MarthDebutedInSmashBros: Many people attribute Batman's ability to glide with his cape to Film/TheDarkKnightSaga Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy when it's actually been around since the ''forties''.


* InternetBackdraft: The inevitable reaction to ''Detective Comics #23.2'' where the New 52-Harley massacred hundreds of children by using bombs disguised as handheld gaming consoles. Fans hate this issue and consider Harley totally OutOfCharacter. It has become a meme: "remember that time when Harley killed hundreds of children?".

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* FanNickname
** Fans often call the trio consisting of The Riddler, Scarecrow, and Mad Hatter as "[[TheSmartGuy The Dork Squad]]".


* ArchivePanic: Trying to figure out where to start reading Batman's adventures? You may as well just pick an issue and not worry about it. The character has been published monthly since 1939, often in multiple comics per month (to date, he has 19 ongoing series, which often intertwine with each other story wise, and often into other DC series as well). Archive collections from DC help, but even they haven't reprinted all 70+ years worth of comics.
** The entire franchise is insanely prolific--besides the staggering amount of comic series he's starred in, there's also 22 one-shot comics, two literary books, two live action TV series, 30 movie serials, 8 live action movies (with a 9th one on the way) a cd album, 4 radio shows, 3 manga adaptations, 2 musicals, 3 pinball games, 44 video games (and 11 more with him in supporting or cameo roles), 2 web series, and he has starred in 11 animated series (7 of which give him top billing) and 17 animated movies (12 of which likewise giving him top billing) and enough misc. tie in toys and merchandise to fill the Batcave! All this, and the series has been going strong for 75 years, and is showing no signs of stopping. To say the least, Holy [[ArchiveBinge Archive Binging]]!

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* ArchivePanic: Trying to figure out where to start reading Batman's adventures? You may as well just pick an issue and not worry about it. The character has been published monthly since 1939, often in multiple comics per month (to date, he has 19 ongoing series, which often intertwine with each other story wise, and often into other DC series as well). Archive collections from DC help, but even they haven't reprinted all 70+ 80 years worth of comics.
** The entire franchise is insanely prolific--besides the staggering amount of comic series he's starred in, there's also 22 one-shot comics, two literary books, two live action TV series, 30 movie serials, 8 live action movies (with a 9th one on the way) a cd album, 4 radio shows, 3 manga adaptations, 2 musicals, 3 pinball games, 44 video games (and 11 more with him in supporting or cameo roles), 2 web series, and he has starred in 11 animated series (7 of which give him top billing) and 17 animated movies (12 of which likewise giving him top billing) and enough misc. tie in toys and merchandise to fill the Batcave! All this, and the series has been going strong for 75 80 years, and is showing no signs of stopping. To say the least, Holy [[ArchiveBinge Archive Binging]]!

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