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* {{Applicability}}: Kyle Kallgren [[https://youtu.be/Z3uYipLshD4?t=1159 thinks]] that Emmerich's unironic Anti-Stratfordian stance may have reflected Emmerich's wealthy upbringing much like Edward De Vere, the Earl of Oxford, and [[SpoiledBrat not knowing the]] genuine [[StarvingArtist hardship experienced by many artists]]. He cited montages of Globe Theatre productions in the movie being loud and explosive like his past movies and compared in-universe audiences' reaction to the audiences who enjoyed his blockbusters. Considering Roland Emmerich has stated that this is his favorite of his works, you can tell there is a personal layer to this.

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* {{Applicability}}: Kyle Kallgren [[https://youtu.be/Z3uYipLshD4?t=1159 thinks]] that Emmerich's unironic Anti-Stratfordian stance may have reflected Emmerich's wealthy upbringing much like Edward De Vere, the Earl of Oxford, and [[SpoiledBrat not knowing the]] knowing]] the genuine [[StarvingArtist hardship experienced by many artists]]. He cited montages of Globe Theatre productions in the movie being loud and explosive like his past movies and compared in-universe audiences' reaction to the audiences who enjoyed his blockbusters. Considering Roland Emmerich has stated that this is his favorite of his works, you can tell there is a personal layer to this.
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* {{Applicability}}: Kyle Kallgren [[https://youtu.be/Z3uYipLshD4?t=1159 thinks]] that Emmerich's unironic Anti-Stratfordian stance may have reflected Emmerich's wealthy upbringing much like Edward De Vere, the Earl of Oxford, and [[SpoiledBrat not knowing the]] [[StarvingArtist genuine hardship experienced by many artists]]. He cited montages of Globe Theatre productions in the movie being loud and explosive like his past movies and compared in-universe audiences' reaction to the audiences who enjoyed his blockbusters. Considering Roland Emmerich has stated that this is his favorite of his works, you can tell there is a personal layer to this.

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* {{Applicability}}: Kyle Kallgren [[https://youtu.be/Z3uYipLshD4?t=1159 thinks]] that Emmerich's unironic Anti-Stratfordian stance may have reflected Emmerich's wealthy upbringing much like Edward De Vere, the Earl of Oxford, and [[SpoiledBrat not knowing the]] genuine [[StarvingArtist genuine hardship experienced by many artists]]. He cited montages of Globe Theatre productions in the movie being loud and explosive like his past movies and compared in-universe audiences' reaction to the audiences who enjoyed his blockbusters. Considering Roland Emmerich has stated that this is his favorite of his works, you can tell there is a personal layer to this.

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* AluminumChristmasTrees: Yes, Shakespeare trutherism really does exist, and dates as far back as the turn of the 20th century. Many of the conspiracy theories presented here are ones held by real people, who refer to themselves as "Anti-Stratfordians." [[spoiler: And yes, a lot of Oxfordians believe the incest thing really happened.]]

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* AluminumChristmasTrees: Yes, Shakespeare trutherism really does exist, and dates as far back as the turn of the 20th century. Many of the conspiracy theories presented here are ones held by real people, who refer to themselves as "Anti-Stratfordians." [[spoiler: And yes, a lot of Oxfordians (Anti-Stratfordians who believe Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford, wrote Shakespeare's plays) believe the incest thing really happened.]]



* AudienceAlienatingPremise: A movie about unironically portraying the single most beloved author in the English language as a murderous buffoonish fraud; plus also portraying one of the most admired English monarchs as having so many bastard children she lost track of them, unknowingly slept with her own son and then had ''another'' incestuous child. And at an even slightly deeper level of analysis, a movie that requires detailed historical knowledge of the period to understand what’s going on, while also being sloppily researched and screwing up the order of events so that even history buffs will hate it.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: A movie about unironically portraying the single most beloved author in the English language as a murderous buffoonish fraud; plus also portraying fraud and one of the most admired English monarchs as having so many bastard children she lost track of them, unknowingly slept sleeping with her own son and then had having ''another'' incestuous child. And at an even slightly deeper level of analysis, a movie that requires detailed historical knowledge of the period to understand what’s going on, while also being sloppily researched and screwing up the order of events so that even history buffs will hate it.
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-->'''Kyle Kallgren:''' It's a paradox. You have to know the period to understand what's going on, and if you understand what's going on, you will ''hate'' what's going on.
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* MagnumOpusDissonance: This is Creator/RolandEmmerich's favorite of his own movies, in spite of being major GenreAdultery for a DisasterMovie expert.

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* MagnumOpusDissonance: This is Creator/RolandEmmerich's favorite of his own movies, in spite of being a major GenreAdultery CreatorsOddball for a DisasterMovie expert.
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* {{Applicability}}: Kyle Kallgren [[https://youtu.be/Z3uYipLshD4?t=1159 thinks]] that Emmerich's unironic Anti-Stratfordian stance may reflected Emmerich's wealthy upbringing much like Edward De Vere, the Earl of Oxford, and [[SpoiledBrat not knowing the]] [[StarvingArtist genuine hardship experienced by many artists]]. He cited montages of Globe Theatre productions in the movie being loud and explosive his past movies and compared in-universe audiences' reaction to the audiences who enjoyed his blockbusters. Considering Roland Emmerich has stated that this is his favorite of his works, you can tell there is a personal layer to this.

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* {{Applicability}}: Kyle Kallgren [[https://youtu.be/Z3uYipLshD4?t=1159 thinks]] that Emmerich's unironic Anti-Stratfordian stance may have reflected Emmerich's wealthy upbringing much like Edward De Vere, the Earl of Oxford, and [[SpoiledBrat not knowing the]] [[StarvingArtist genuine hardship experienced by many artists]]. He cited montages of Globe Theatre productions in the movie being loud and explosive like his past movies and compared in-universe audiences' reaction to the audiences who enjoyed his blockbusters. Considering Roland Emmerich has stated that this is his favorite of his works, you can tell there is a personal layer to this.
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* AluminumChristmasTrees: Yes, Shakespeare trutherism really does exists, and dates as far back as the turn of the 20th century. Many of the conspiracy theories presented here are ones held by real people, who refer to themselves as "Anti-Stratfordians." [[spoiler: And yes, a lot of Oxfordians believe the incest thing really happened.]]

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* AluminumChristmasTrees: Yes, Shakespeare trutherism really does exists, exist, and dates as far back as the turn of the 20th century. Many of the conspiracy theories presented here are ones held by real people, who refer to themselves as "Anti-Stratfordians." [[spoiler: And yes, a lot of Oxfordians believe the incest thing really happened.]]
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: De Vere is something of a classist asshole and complete snob who is not the most likable of heroes, to say the least.
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* {{Applicability}}: Kyle Kallgren [thinks](https://youtu.be/Z3uYipLshD4?t=1159) that Emmerich's unironic Anti-Stratfordian stance may reflected Emmerich's wealthy upbringing much like Edward De Vere, the Earl of Oxford, and [[SpoiledBrat not knowing the]] [[StarvingArtist genuine hardship experienced by many artists]]. He cited montages of Globe Theatre productions in the movie being loud and explosive his past movies and compared in-universe audiences' reaction to the audiences who enjoyed his blockbusters. Considering Roland Emmerich has stated that this is his favorite of his works, you can tell there is a personal layer to this.

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* {{Applicability}}: Kyle Kallgren [thinks](https://youtu.be/Z3uYipLshD4?t=1159) [[https://youtu.be/Z3uYipLshD4?t=1159 thinks]] that Emmerich's unironic Anti-Stratfordian stance may reflected Emmerich's wealthy upbringing much like Edward De Vere, the Earl of Oxford, and [[SpoiledBrat not knowing the]] [[StarvingArtist genuine hardship experienced by many artists]]. He cited montages of Globe Theatre productions in the movie being loud and explosive his past movies and compared in-universe audiences' reaction to the audiences who enjoyed his blockbusters. Considering Roland Emmerich has stated that this is his favorite of his works, you can tell there is a personal layer to this.
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* {{Applicability}}: Kyle Kallgren [thinks](https://youtu.be/Z3uYipLshD4?t=1159) that Emmerich's unironic Anti-Stratfordian stance may reflected Emmerich's wealthy upbringing much like Edward De Vere, the Earl of Oxford, and [[SpoiledBrat not knowing the]] [[StarvingArtist genuine hardship experienced by many artists]]. He cited montages of Globe Theatre productions in the movie being loud and explosive his past movies and compared in-universe audiences' reaction to the audiences who enjoyed his blockbusters. Considering Roland Emmerich has stated that this is his favorite of his works, you can tell there is a personal layer to this.
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* AluminumChristmasTrees: Yes, Shakespeare trutherism really does exists, and dates as far back as the turn of the 20th century. Many of the conspiracy theories presented here are ones held by real people, who refer to themselves as "Anti-Stratfordians." [[spoiler: And yes, a lot of Oxfordians believe the incest thing really happened.]]
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* UnfortunateImplications: The WebVideo/BrowsHeldHigh [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3uYipLshD4 review]] points out that, by constantly denouncing Shakespeare as a common nobody while lionizing the nobleman Edward de Vere, the film leans heavily on the idea that the only people who can create ''real'' art are those born into wealth and privilege.
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* MagnumOpusDissonance: This is Creator/RolandEmmerich's favorite of his own movies, in spite of being major GenreAdultery for a DisasterFilm expert.

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* MagnumOpusDissonance: This is Creator/RolandEmmerich's favorite of his own movies, in spite of being major GenreAdultery for a DisasterFilm DisasterMovie expert.
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* MagnumOpusDissonance: This is Creator/RolandEmmerich's favorite of his own movies, in spite of being major GenreAdultery for a DisasterFilm expert.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The WebVideo/BrowsHeldHigh [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3uYipLshD4 review]] points out that, by constantly denouncing Shakespeare as a common nobody while lionizing the nobleman Edward de Vere, the film leans heavily on the idea that the only people who can create real art are those born into wealth.

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* UnfortunateImplications: The WebVideo/BrowsHeldHigh [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3uYipLshD4 review]] points out that, by constantly denouncing Shakespeare as a common nobody while lionizing the nobleman Edward de Vere, the film leans heavily on the idea that the only people who can create real ''real'' art are those born into wealth.wealth and privilege.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The WebVideo/BrowsHeldHigh [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3uYipLshD4 review]] points out that, by constantly denouncing Shakespeare as a common nobody while lionizing the nobleman Edward de Vere, the film leans heavily on the idea that "[[BuffySpeak poors can't art good]]".

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* UnfortunateImplications: The WebVideo/BrowsHeldHigh [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3uYipLshD4 review]] points out that, by constantly denouncing Shakespeare as a common nobody while lionizing the nobleman Edward de Vere, the film leans heavily on the idea that "[[BuffySpeak poors can't the only people who can create real art good]]".are those born into wealth.

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* CriticalResearchFailure:
** At one point Edward De Vere plucks a red-and-white Tudor rose from a bush and admires its beauty. There is no such thing as a RealLife Tudor rose; it's a heraldic symbol of the unification of England under UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfTudor after [[UsefulNotes/WarsOfTheRoses the Wars of the Roses.]]
** Anything and everything involving the chronology of the events involved- see ArtisticLicenseHistory.
** In the film, Shakespeare's peers are baffled at the idea of a play written entirely in iambic pentameter. In that time period, however, ''every'' play was written mostly or entirely in verse, iambic pentameter was a popular choice for it, and Shakespeare himself only ever wrote ''one''--''Theatre/RichardII''--that was ''entirely'' in verse. Kyle Kallgren from WebVideo/BrowsHeldHigh compared it to Music/JayZ, Music/SnoopDogg and [[Music/WuTangClan RZA]] being amazed by Music/KanyeWest's ability to rap rhyming verses to a beat.
** The entire basis of the film - a nobleman sending in his plays to a theatre anonymously - is nothing like how playwriting worked back then. Playwrights were attached to a theatre and/or company, writing scripts with specific actors in mind for specific characters - much like, well, Shakespeare with the King's Men. This is also why Shakespeare didn't list any manuscripts in his will - he didn't ''own'' any; they belonged to the company. (Indeed, what we now know as the "original text" for Shakespeare's plays was effectively scraped together after his death from ''numerous'' variant scripts, due to the partially-improvised nature of Elizabethean theatre.)



* UnfortunateImplications: The WebVideo/BrowsHeldHigh [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3uYipLshD4 review]] points out that, by constantly denouncing Shakespeare as a common nobody while lionizing the nobleman Edward de Vere, the film leans heavily on the idea that "[[BuffySpeak poors can't art good]]".

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* UnfortunateImplications: The WebVideo/BrowsHeldHigh [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3uYipLshD4 review]] points out that, by constantly denouncing Shakespeare as a common nobody while lionizing the nobleman Edward de Vere, the film leans heavily on the idea that "[[BuffySpeak poors can't art good]]".good]]".
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: A movie about unironically portraying the single most beloved author in the English language as a murderous buffoonish fraud; plus also portraying one of the most admired English monarchs as having so many bastard children she lost track of them, banged one and then had ''another'' incestuous child. And at an even slightly deeper level of analysis, a movie that requires detailed historical knowledge of the period to understand what’s going on, while also being sloppily researched and screwing up the order of events so that even history buffs will hate it.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: A movie about unironically portraying the single most beloved author in the English language as a murderous buffoonish fraud; plus also portraying one of the most admired English monarchs as having so many bastard children she lost track of them, banged one unknowingly slept with her own son and then had ''another'' incestuous child. And at an even slightly deeper level of analysis, a movie that requires detailed historical knowledge of the period to understand what’s going on, while also being sloppily researched and screwing up the order of events so that even history buffs will hate it.
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: A movie about unironically portraying the single most beloved author in the English language as a murderous fraud; plus also portraying one of the most admired English monarchs as having so many bastard children she lost track of them, banged one and then had ''another'' incestuous child. And at an even slightly deeper level of analysis, a movie that requires detailed historical knowledge of the period to understand what’s going on, while also being sloppily researched and screwing up the order of events so that even history buffs will hate it.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: A movie about unironically portraying the single most beloved author in the English language as a murderous buffoonish fraud; plus also portraying one of the most admired English monarchs as having so many bastard children she lost track of them, banged one and then had ''another'' incestuous child. And at an even slightly deeper level of analysis, a movie that requires detailed historical knowledge of the period to understand what’s going on, while also being sloppily researched and screwing up the order of events so that even history buffs will hate it.
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: A movie about unironically portraying the single most beloved author in the English language as a murderous fraud. And at an even slightly deeper level of analysis, requiring detailed historical knowledge of the period to understand what’s going on, then being sloppily researched and screwing up the order of events so that even history buffs will hate it.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: A movie about unironically portraying the single most beloved author in the English language as a murderous fraud. fraud; plus also portraying one of the most admired English monarchs as having so many bastard children she lost track of them, banged one and then had ''another'' incestuous child. And at an even slightly deeper level of analysis, requiring a movie that requires detailed historical knowledge of the period to understand what’s going on, then while also being sloppily researched and screwing up the order of events so that even history buffs will hate it.



** The entire basis of the film - a nobleman sending in his plays anonymously - is nothing like how playwriting worked back then. Playwrights were attached to a theater and/or company, writing plays with specific actors in mind for specific characters - much like, well, Shakespeare with the King's Men. This is also why Shakespeare didn't list any manuscripts in his will - he didn't ''own'' any; they belonged to the company. (Indeed, what we now know as the "original text" for Shakespeare's plays was effectively scraped together after his death from ''numerous'' variant scripts, due to the partially-improvised nature of Elizabethean theater.)

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** The entire basis of the film - a nobleman sending in his plays to a theatre anonymously - is nothing like how playwriting worked back then. Playwrights were attached to a theater theatre and/or company, writing plays scripts with specific actors in mind for specific characters - much like, well, Shakespeare with the King's Men. This is also why Shakespeare didn't list any manuscripts in his will - he didn't ''own'' any; they belonged to the company. (Indeed, what we now know as the "original text" for Shakespeare's plays was effectively scraped together after his death from ''numerous'' variant scripts, due to the partially-improvised nature of Elizabethean theater.theatre.)

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