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** The "Technology" page is full of interpretations on why Starfleet's groundmilitary seems so bizarrely deficient - [[{{Zeerust}} even the designs of phasers]], which were regarded as bizarrely unergonomic, is suggested to be because they were originally meant to be HiddenWeapons used by diplomats and ended up being distributed to the entire army for unknown reasons.
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** The "Technology" page is full of interpretations on why Starfleet's groundmilitary ground military seems so bizarrely deficient - deficient. [[{{Zeerust}} even Even the designs of phasers]], which were regarded as bizarrely unergonomic, is suggested to be because they were originally meant to be HiddenWeapons used by diplomats and ended up being distributed to the entire army for unknown reasons.reasons - and since Starfleet officers are well-trained and don't get into fights much, the downsides of the weapon haven't become apparent yet.
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** [[invoked]] Done again during his look at the The Phantom Menace, Wong argues the Trade Federation isn't as evil they may have been intended come across as given a lack of on-screen villain, and that during the battle with the Gungans he notes the droid army was taking prisoners despite Palpatine ordering the Vice Roy to wipe them out.
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** [[invoked]] Done again during his look at the The Phantom Menace, Wong argues the Trade Federation isn't as evil they may have been intended come across as given a lack of on-screen villain, and that during the battle with the Gungans he notes the droid army was taking prisoners despite Palpatine ordering the Vice Roy Viceroy to wipe them out.out.
** The "Technology" page is full of interpretations on why Starfleet's groundmilitary seems so bizarrely deficient - [[{{Zeerust}} even the designs of phasers]], which were regarded as bizarrely unergonomic, is suggested to be because they were originally meant to be HiddenWeapons used by diplomats and ended up being distributed to the entire army for unknown reasons.
** The "Technology" page is full of interpretations on why Starfleet's groundmilitary seems so bizarrely deficient - [[{{Zeerust}} even the designs of phasers]], which were regarded as bizarrely unergonomic, is suggested to be because they were originally meant to be HiddenWeapons used by diplomats and ended up being distributed to the entire army for unknown reasons.
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* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: Wong goes into detail on how many themes in Star Trek changed over time when one persistent little idea (which he calls "[[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/BrainBugs.html brain bugs]]") took over with time.
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* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: Wong goes into detail on how many themes in Star Trek changed over time when one persistent little idea (which he calls "http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/BrainBugs.html brain bugs]]") took over.
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** [[invoked]] Done again during his look at the The Phantom Menace, Wong argues the Trade Federation isn't as evil they may have been intended come across as given a lack of on-screen villain, and that during the battle with the Gungans he notes the droid army was taking prisoners despite Palpatine ordering the Vice Roy to wipe them out.
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* FridgeBrilliance[[invoked]]: Wong argues this when noting holes in the Trade Federation's droid army, as a shipping company, he argues their enemies wouldn't be a fully fledged army.
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** [[invoked]] The main site is centered around the question of who would win if the [[Franchise/StarTrek United Federation of Planets]] and the [[Franchise/StarWars Galactic Empire]] went to war. TheEmpire comes out on top due to drastic advantages in canonical firepower, numbers, and industrial capacity, as well as a distinct lack of morals and a better selection of ground weapons[[note]]{{the Federation}} has been seen using exactly ''one'' armed ground vehicle, whereas the Empire has a full-on StandardSciFiArmy[[/note]].
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** [[invoked]] The main site is centered around the question of who would win if the [[Franchise/StarTrek United Federation of Planets]] and the [[Franchise/StarWars Galactic Empire]] went to war. TheEmpire comes out on top due to drastic advantages in canonical firepower, numbers, and industrial capacity, as well as a distinct lack of morals and a better selection of ground weapons[[note]]{{the weapons.[[note]]{{The Federation}} has been seen using exactly ''one'' armed ground vehicle, whereas the Empire has a full-on StandardSciFiArmy[[/note]].full-scale StandardSciFiArmy.[[/note]]
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** Meanwhile, the forums debate all manner of other X versus Y matchups (everything from the [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer40000}} Imperium of Man]] versus the [[Literature/NewJediOrder Yuuzhan Vong]][[note]]winner: Imperium, due to being singularly well-equipped to defeat the Yuuzhan Vong's primary strategies[[/note]] to Series/{{Airwolf}} versus the [[Film/{{Transformers}} Bayformers]][[note]]winner: Transformers, due to advantages in demonstrated durability and the fact that there's more than one of them[[/note]]).
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** Meanwhile, the forums debate all manner of other X versus Y matchups (everything from the [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer40000}} Imperium of Man]] versus the [[Literature/NewJediOrder Yuuzhan Vong]][[note]]winner: Imperium, due to being singularly well-equipped to defeat the Yuuzhan Vong's primary strategies[[/note]] to Series/{{Airwolf}} versus the [[Film/{{Transformers}} Bayformers]][[note]]winner: Transformers, due to advantages in demonstrated durability and the fact that there's more than one of them[[/note]]).them.[[/note]]).
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation[[invoked]]: Wong argues that the Federation is actually an oppressively conformist, communist {{dystopia}} [[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Trek-Marxism.html]]. Not to mention [[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Database/Query-ST.php?Series=&Category=Culture&EpName=&Keywords=&Quotes=&Analysis=&Submit=Submit brainwashing, hypocritical, progress stifling and ignoring its people's safety]].
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation[[invoked]]: Wong argues that the Federation is actually an oppressively conformist, communist {{dystopia}} [[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Trek-Marxism.html]]. Not to mention [[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Database/Query-ST.php?Series=&Category=Culture&EpName=&Keywords=&Quotes=&Analysis=&Submit=Submit brainwashing, hypocritical, hypocritical progress stifling and ignoring its people's safety]].
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%%* FightUnscene: {{Lampshaded}} in the [[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/TrekkieCombat-3.html "recapture colony" scenario]].
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Axing examples that trope the userbase, which is verboten. Commenting-out Zero Context Examples.
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* ArchEnemy: For a while, it had something like this going on with Website/SpaceBattlesDotCom.
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* CloudCuckooLander: Shroom Man777, label: FUCKIN' DICK STABBER. Location: Bleeding breasts and stabbing dicks since 2003. Alternates between making perfect (if frenzied) sense and utter lunacy with little to no middle ground.
* ClusterFBomb: Site rules allow profanity, and many forumgoers are all too happy to take full advantage.
* CoughSnarkCough: In an [[http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=160398 analysis thread]] of the ''Literature/StarCarrier'' series:
--> '''Tropers/StarSword:''' Also, [[Creator/WilliamHKeithJr William Keith]] apparently groks the concept that space is fucking HUGE, unlike certain other recent writers I could mention. *hacking cough that sounds suspiciously like "Creator/JJAbrams"*
* DeadpanSnarker: Half the site's population, seriously. They never miss a chance to poke fun at each other.
* ClusterFBomb: Site rules allow profanity, and many forumgoers are all too happy to take full advantage.
* CoughSnarkCough: In an [[http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=160398 analysis thread]] of the ''Literature/StarCarrier'' series:
--> '''Tropers/StarSword:''' Also, [[Creator/WilliamHKeithJr William Keith]] apparently groks the concept that space is fucking HUGE, unlike certain other recent writers I could mention. *hacking cough that sounds suspiciously like "Creator/JJAbrams"*
* DeadpanSnarker: Half the site's population, seriously. They never miss a chance to poke fun at each other.
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* HateFic: Michael Wong claims to love ''Star Trek'', but seems to find a lot of pleasure in pointing out the flaws and problems of the supposedly perfect TNG era Federation.
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* LamePunReaction: In a topic titled "Two words: Dancing tanks."
--> '''Borgholio:''' Tanks for showing us this.\\
'''Flagg:''' You're a dead man.
** Then the thread turned into a HurricaneOfPuns on the word "tank" with Flagg continuing to threaten bodily harm against all involved.
--> '''Borgholio:''' Tanks for showing us this.\\
'''Flagg:''' You're a dead man.
** Then the thread turned into a HurricaneOfPuns on the word "tank" with Flagg continuing to threaten bodily harm against all involved.
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* ParentalMarriageVeto: Happened to the Site Owner. Part of the reason he dislikes religion.
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* UnacceptableTargets: [[invoked]] Board rules draw a distinction between insulting a moderator in a debate as part of an argument and insulting a moderator for acting as a moderator. The one is permissible (the moderators are just as willing to cuss at you as anyone else, and board culture and rules favor substance over style, or as they put it "an insulting argument is still an argument"). The other is potentially a bannable offense.
** While insults on the boards are mostly accepted, Mike Wong feels part of the fun is breaking from acting mature, the usage of homophobic and racial slurs is considered to cross the line and can get someone banned.
** While insults on the boards are mostly accepted, Mike Wong feels part of the fun is breaking from acting mature, the usage of homophobic and racial slurs is considered to cross the line and can get someone banned.
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* ArchEnemy: For a while, it had something like this going on with Spacebattles.com.
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* ArchEnemy: For a while, it had something like this going on with Spacebattles.com.Website/SpaceBattlesDotCom.
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Stardestroyer.net is a ''Franchise/StarWars'' vs ''Franchise/StarTrek'' website started in 1998 by a Canadian engineer named Mike Wong (forum handle "Darth Wong"). Compares the strengths and weaknesses of both franchises, examining them with real science. The site has been inactive for some time, but the forum is still active. Also the source of the Trek/Wars fic ''Fanfic/{{Conquest}}''.
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[[http://www.stardestroyer.net/ Stardestroyer.net net]] is a ''Franchise/StarWars'' vs ''Franchise/StarTrek'' website started in 1998 by a Canadian engineer named Mike Wong (forum handle "Darth Wong"). Compares the strengths and weaknesses of both franchises, examining them with real science. The site has been inactive for some time, but the forum is still active. Also the source of the Trek/Wars fic ''Fanfic/{{Conquest}}''.
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* FanFic: Has an entire subsection dedicated to them, and hosts a few notable fics. For example: ''Fanfic/OnceMoreWithFeeling'' and ''Fanfic/ThousandShinji''.
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--> '''Tropers/StarSword:''' Also, [[Creator/WilliamHKeithJr William Keith]] apparently groks the concept that space is fucking HUGE, unlike certain other recent writers I could mention. *hacking cough that sounds suspiciously like "Creator/JJAbrams"* HilariousInHindsight as Creator/JJAbrams directed Episode 7.
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--> '''Tropers/StarSword:''' Also, [[Creator/WilliamHKeithJr William Keith]] apparently groks the concept that space is fucking HUGE, unlike certain other recent writers I could mention. *hacking cough that sounds suspiciously like "Creator/JJAbrams"* HilariousInHindsight as Creator/JJAbrams directed Episode 7.
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--> '''Tropers/StarSword:''' Also, [[Creator/WilliamHKeithJr William Keith]] apparently groks the concept that space is fucking HUGE, unlike certain other recent writers I could mention. *hacking cough that sounds suspiciously like "Creator/JJAbrams"*
* DeadpanSnarker: Half the site's population, seriously. They never miss a chance to poke fun at each other.
* DeadpanSnarker: Half the site's population, seriously. They never miss a chance to poke fun at each other.
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--> '''Tropers/StarSword:''' Also, [[Creator/WilliamHKeithJr William Keith]] apparently groks the concept that space is fucking HUGE, unlike certain other recent writers I could mention. *hacking cough that sounds suspiciously like "Creator/JJAbrams"*
"Creator/JJAbrams"* HilariousInHindsight as Creator/JJAbrams directed Episode 7.
* DeadpanSnarker: Half the site's population, seriously. They never miss a chance to poke fun at each other.
* DeadpanSnarker: Half the site's population, seriously. They never miss a chance to poke fun at each other.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation[[invoked]]: Wong argues that the Federation is actually an oppressively conformist, communist {{dystopia}} [[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Trek-Marxism.html]].
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation[[invoked]]: Wong argues that the Federation is actually an oppressively conformist, communist {{dystopia}} [[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Trek-Marxism.html]]. Not to mention [[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Database/Query-ST.php?Series=&Category=Culture&EpName=&Keywords=&Quotes=&Analysis=&Submit=Submit brainwashing, hypocritical, progress stifling and ignoring its people's safety]].
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* HateFic: For Star Trek. [[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/ The main site makes no attempt at hiding this at all.]]
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* HateFic: For Star Trek. [[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/ The main site makes no attempt at hiding this at all.]]Michael Wong claims to love ''Star Trek'', but seems to find a lot of pleasure in pointing out the flaws and problems of the supposedly perfect TNG era Federation.
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Yes, I believe this site to be Hate Fic. My evidence is their homepage: http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/
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* HateFic: For Star Trek. [[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/ The main site makes no attempt at hiding this at all.]]
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* HateFic: Against ''Star Trek''.
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Stardestroyer.net is a ''Franchise/StarWars'' vs ''Franchise/StarTrek'' website started in 1998 by a Canadian Engineer engineer named Michael Mike Wong (forum handle "Darth Wong"). Compares the strengths and weaknesses of both franchises, examining them with real science. The site has been inactive for some time, but the forum is still active. Also the source of the Trek/Wars fic ''Fanfic/{{Conquest}}''.
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* CavemenVsAstronautsDebate[=/=]HypotheticalFightDebate: Who would win in a fight between the Enterprise and a Star Destroyer? That would be the Stardestroyer of course.
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* CavemenVsAstronautsDebate[=/=]HypotheticalFightDebate: Who would win in a fight between the Enterprise and a Star Destroyer? That would be the Stardestroyer Star Destroyer of course.
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* FightUnscene: Lampshaded in the [[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/TrekkieCombat-3.html "recapture colony" scenario]].
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* FightUnscene: Lampshaded {{Lampshaded}} in the [[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/TrekkieCombat-3.html "recapture colony" scenario]].
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* KangarooCourt: The moderators sometimes write one up for people who are to be banned from the forum. This is mostly for the entertainment value: if you're getting one, the moderators and admins have already decided among themselves that you're going to be banned for violating forum rules (and the "trial record" will contain links to the offending posts).
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** The exception is that weapons or technologies from either side that were [[ForgottenPhlebotinum used once and then never mentioned again]] are assumed to not be available.
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Stardestroyer.net is a ''Franchise/StarWars'' vs ''Franchise/StarTrek'' website started in 1998 by a Canadian Engineer named Michael Wong.Wong (forum handle "Darth Wong"). Compares the strengths and weaknesses of both franchises, examining them with real science. The site has been inactive for some time, but the forum is still active. Also the source of the Trek/Wars fic ''Fanfic/{{Conquest}}''.
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** While insults on the boards are mostly accepted, Mike Wong feels part of the fun is breaking from acting mature, the usage of homophobic and racial slurs is considered to cross the line and can get someone banned.
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** Then the thread turned into a HurricaneOfPuns on the word "tank" with Flagg continuing to threaten bodily harm against all involved.
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* ClusterFBomb: Site rules allow profanity, and many forumgoers are all too happy to take full advantage. What's not allowed is untruthfulness or making claims without backing them up.
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* ClusterFBomb: Site rules allow profanity, and many forumgoers are all too happy to take full advantage. What's not allowed is untruthfulness or making claims without backing them up.
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* LamePunReaction: In a topic titled "Two words: Dancing tanks."
--> '''Borgholio:''' Tanks for showing us this.\\
'''Flagg:''' You're a dead man.
--> '''Borgholio:''' Tanks for showing us this.\\
'''Flagg:''' You're a dead man.
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* DeadpanSnarker CoughSnarkCough: In an [[http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=160398 analysis thread]] of the ''Literature/StarCarrier'' series:
--> '''Tropers/StarSword:''' Also, [[Creator/WilliamHKeithJr William Keith]] apparently groks the concept that space is fucking HUGE, unlike certain other recent writers I could mention. *hacking cough that sounds suspiciously like "Creator/JJAbrams"*
* DeadpanSnarker: Half the site's population, seriously. They never miss a chance to poke fun at each other.
--> '''Tropers/StarSword:''' Also, [[Creator/WilliamHKeithJr William Keith]] apparently groks the concept that space is fucking HUGE, unlike certain other recent writers I could mention. *hacking cough that sounds suspiciously like "Creator/JJAbrams"*
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* FightUnscene: Lampshaded in the [[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/TrekkieCombat-3.html "recapture colony" scenario]].
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as a fan of star wars and star trek equally, i believe that this website is a haven for bullies, Star wars and star trek should COEXIST!
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Stardestroyer.net is a ''Franchise/StarWars'' vs ''Franchise/StarTrek'' website started in 1998 by a Canadian Engineer named Michael Wong. Compares the strengths and weaknesses of both franchises, examining them with fallacies and non-canon sources. The site has been inactive for some time, but the forum is still active. Also the source of the Trek/Wars fic ''Fanfic/{{Conquest}}''.
''Fanfic/{{Conquest}}''. If you want information on Star Wars or Star Trek, please visit their respective wiki's
