History WMG / ToyStory2

For one Rex plays a [[strike:[=Snes=] type console]] {{UsefulNotes/SNES}} during the beginning of 2. While that wouldn't be a far cry from it being in the late 90s, most kids moved onto newer consoles. Also if this movie did take place in 2010, subtract 18 and you get 1992.

The RelationshipWritingFumble seems too consistent and deliberate, and they didn't fix it for 3. Their relationship only at times fits "LikeBrotherAndSister" but usually it's a platonic best friend type relationship. She seems for affectionate and reliant on Woody then toward Buzz. Though this theory doesn't "ruin" her affections for Buzz either; It's not like people can't like two people at the same time or like one person more then the other.

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[[caption-width-right:350:[[EpilepticTrees How could he forget?]]]]

*** Sure, but they wouldn't be worth as much on several different levels. It's kind of like owning a first print issue of a comic book; the obvious comparison is to Action Comics #1. In this case, it's worth a lot of money because it introduced a wildly popular character ([[YouShouldKnowThisAlready Superman]]) and there were 100 or fewer copies printed; our Woody, being one of the dolls that inspired the series, is worth quite a bit more money than one of the post-Roundup dolls. If I've totally missed your point and you were talking about the memory issue, then ''those'' dolls would have knowledge of Woody's Roundup, but the sheriff we all know and love would still be in the dark, since that has no impact on when he was manufactured.... [[JustForFun/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife Wow. I just out-nerded myself.]] [[IRegretNothing Why doesn't that bother me more?]]

*** Sure, but they wouldn't be worth as much on several different levels. It's kind of like owning a first print issue of a comic book; the obvious comparison is to Action Comics #1. In this case, it's worth a lot of money because it introduced a wildly popular character ([[YouShouldKnowThisAlready Superman]]) and there were 100 or fewer copies printed; our Woody, being one of the dolls that inspired the series, is worth quite a bit more money than one of the post-Roundup dolls. If I've totally missed your point and you were talking about the memory issue, then ''those'' dolls would have knowledge of Woody's Roundup, but the sheriff we all know and love would still be in the dark, since that has no impact on when he was manufactured.... [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife Wow. I just out-nerded myself.]] [[IRegretNothing Why doesn't that bother me more?]]

* Pity about the short arms. For that matter, Trixie's MSN message might not have been [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar what you thought it was]] but it sounded like a game- maybe Trixie is a tabletop gaming geek! (and thus, Bonnie will end up playing ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons''. And maybe TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}. Now that would get... interesting... I'm imagining a more GrimDark version of the Army Men)

Given that Sputnik 1, the thing that resulted in the cancellation of ''Woody's Roundup'' was a creation of the Soviet Union, it would make sense that the only other thing he hates other than kids and space toys is communism. Likewise, Pete possibly gets angered by symbols related to communism like the hammer and sickle or anything having to do with the USSR in general.

*** This Troper's mother used to have a Barbie doll who came with no clothes, and a brother (actually, multiple) who had GIJoe Figures (as in, the classic realistic GI Joe, not the scifi one we have today), and hence the doll often ended up in military uniforms. Can we assume that, since other girls probably did this too, Barbie also knows how to field strip and operate an [=M16A1=]?

...but, this wouldn't hold up without my #1 piece of evidence: the tape of the last episode. Not ''once'' is it made aware that the tape was removed from Al's VCR after being put in. Hell, [[spoiler: when Pete turned on the VCR to wake up Al and stop Woody from escaping]], a "Woody's Roundup" tape plays, so who's to say it's NOT the same tape! Not to mention that it, in fact, is the tape Woody plays for his friends when they come to rescue him.

* Oh my God. This theory...I love it. Make it cannon, dagnabbit.

Emily, Jessie's previous owner, did grow up in the seventies, as betrayed by her psychedelic pink room, so she would obviously be of the older generation. And she must have lived in the same area as Andy's family if her Jessie doll ended up at one particular Al's Toy Barn in the area. The hairstyle we saw in the quick shots of Emily resembles Andy's mom's hairstyle from the first film. (Mrs. Davis switched from a ponytail to letting her hair down in the second film.)

[[WMG: Al got rich anyway]]
He sued the airline for losing his luggage, because obviously no one will suspect the toys just up and ran off. The airline might have gotten Sid to testify on their behalf, but it just made them look worse, having the crazy kid ramble about the toys being alive making them look like jackasses. Al would end up being awarded millions of dollars in the suit.

[[WMG: Emily is Andy's mom.]]
Emily, Jessie's previous owner, did grow up in the seventies, as betrayed by her psychedelic pink room, so she would obviously be of the older generation. And she must have lived in the same area as Andy's family if her Jessie doll ended up at one particular Al's Toy Barn in the area. The hairstyle we saw in the quick shots of Emily resembles Andy's mom's hairstyle from the first film. (Mrs. Davis switched from a ponytail to letting her hair down in the second film.)
* I second! It would also explain why her son's favorite toy is from a TV show that aired before he was born and he is (most likely) unfamiliar with--Woody knew nothing of his "famous" origins, so presumably Andy doesn't either. Emily remembered the show from when she was growing up and decided to buy the "boy equivalent" of Jessie for her son.
* Andy's Mom's name is Jenny Davis, and Woody was a hand-me-down from Andy's father
** Where did you hear that her name is Jenny? Wikipedia's "Toy Story 3" article said that, and its citation led to a Website/{{Twitter}} post by Lee Unkrich, which linked to a video of him announcing things about ''Toy Story 3''. He said that Laurie Metcalf was coming back to do her voice but not what Mrs. Davis' first name was.
* The cowboy hat that Andy wears when playing with Woody is identical to the one Emily wore (which is the same as Jessie's hat-- red with white loops strung through the edge of the brim). When Emily put Jessie into the donation box, she included her cowboy boots and the Jessie lunchbox, but not the hat. Andy's mom may have given Andy her old Jessie hat.
* How would Jessie never recognize her? Years apart or no, there's no way Jessie wouldn't recognize her former Owner whom she completely loved...
** Memories fade, especially of specific facial details. Hell, Woody doesn't remember anything besides Andy ''at all'' despite being around 50. Maybe Jessie simply doesn't remember what Emily looked like, or at least what she looked like after she stopped playing as much.
*** That might be why in [[WesternAnimation/{{ToyStory2}} The Second Film]], during Jessie's Sad Montage, they never really show Emily's Face, [[FridgeBrilliance because she can't remember what it looked like!]] - DingoWalley
** Plus, people change a ''lot'' over the years, especially after having children, as their faces change from wrinkles, graying hair, scars from pimples and skin tags, sagging skin in places, '''puberty'''... Its quite easy to not recognize an adult woman as being the 8 year old you knew.
*** Yeah, except that Emily wasn't 8 the last time Jessie saw her; that was the day Jessie was donated, when Emily had already gone through puberty.
*** Still, it'd be near impossible to recognize a ~40 year old woman as the ~15 year old you once knew.
*** Try looking at your parents' high school yearbooks and compare their pictures therein to pictures from them in early middle age, if you don't believe it.
* I'm still not convinced. The Cowboy dolls were popular in the 1950s, and maybe still were during the early 1960s. Emily's decorations seem to be late 60s, early 70s. Let's use backwards aging here. Let's assume the first film took place in 1995, Andy was six in that film, his mother looked younger than most mothers. Eleven years later, lets assume the third film takes place in 2006 (Andy is now 17), his mom still looks pretty young despite being 11-12 years later. Now I estimate her age at 30 in the first film, which would make her 41 by the third. 2006-41 would place her (possible) birthdate at 1965, probably too young to have been around when Jessie dolls would've been popular. I assume Emily was born in the mid-late 50s and that she sold Jessie sometime in the early 1970s. I could easily be wrong, but this is how I see their ages. If Andy's mom really is Emily, than the timeline is really compact, but personally I can't see Andy's mom being much older than 40-43. Emily could've been her older sister or something though.
* One piece of evidence to support this: [[http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/02/25/toy_story_andy_s_mom_has_a_secret_identity_look_at_the_hats.html Andy's]][[http://www.today.com/entertainment/hats-genius-toy-story-theory-about-andys-mom-2D12169954 hat]].

[[WMG:The identical Barbie dolls that appeared during the HilariousOuttakes of the second movie ''did'' get a part on the third.]]
If you can't remember, during the outtakes, Stinky Pete was seen talking to two identical Barbie dolls and tells them he's sure he can get a part for them in ''Toy Story 3''. And he did: one of the Barbies is the main Barbie doll and the other is her stunt double.

[[WMG: Rex is a skilled gamer.]]
In Toy Story 2, the first 5 minutes is Rex playing ''Buzz Lightyear of Star Command'' on a SNES. When Andy isn't looking, Rex must be playing many other games such as VideoGame/SuperMarioWorld, VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry, VideoGame/StarFox, VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast, and more. He just can't beat the final level of Buzz's first videogame.
* To say nothing of the fact that despite his short arms he has obviously managed to get past all the other obstacles he has to get through before the Zurg boss battle.
** Assuming all that wasn't just a cutscene.
** Those are some pretty damn good graphics for an SNES... [[TheProblemWithLicensedVideogames or a licenced game!]]
* Pity about the short arms. For that matter, Trixie's MSN message might not have been [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar what you thought it was]] but it sounded like a game- maybe Trixie is a tabletop gaming geek! (and thus, Bonnie will end up playing ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons''. And maybe TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}. Now that would get... interesting... I'm imagining a more GrimDark version of the Army Men)
** Or trying to be a backseat gamer while Rex played Army Men (the licensed video game released between [=TS2=] and [=TS3=]).
** Of course, this means off-brand primary color army men, as well as cowboys and indians, is more speedier since da red wunz go FASTA! Yes, Bonnie will play as da orks, her hyperactive imagination cannot be contained by mere Imperium control.

[[WMG: All Barbies are geniuses]]
With the sheer number of jobs held by Barbie dolls over the years, each Barbie should theoretically possess the skills and knowledge to be ''anything'' from a housewife to a rocket scientist to an underwater demolitions expert.
* The exception is probably the Barbies that are structurally different and specific to the job they were packaged as- the gymnast Barbies with real jumping jack action, the ones with voice boxes, etc. Those are probably restricted to the knowledge of the job on the box, since they cannot literally become a different job Barbie with a change of outfit.
** Who says? Speaking of which, THAT is the kind of Barbie movie they should make.
*** This Troper's mother used to have a Barbie doll who came with no clothes, and a brother (actually, multiple) who had GIJoe Figures (as in, the classic realistic GI Joe, not the scifi one we have today), and hence the doll often ended up in military uniforms. Can we assume that, since other girls probably did this too, Barbie also knows how to field strip and operate an [=M16A1=]?
*** ''[[SugarWiki/SoCoolItsAwesome Yes]]''.
*** Canon. Mattel has sold 'Army Barbie'. There's one for the other branches. Ever consider just where Sgt Roberts learned how to take down a man and snap his neck?

[[WMG: Toy Story 2 takes place in the early to mid 90s]]
For one Rex plays a [[strike:[=Snes=] type console]] {{UsefulNotes/SNES}} during the beginning of 2. While that wouldn't be a far cry from it being in the late 90s, most kids moved onto newer consoles. Also if this movie did take place in 2010, subtract 18 and you get 1992.
** Tour guide Barbie says that Buzz Lightyear toys were in short supply in 1995 and WesternAnimation/ABugsLife toys are seen in Al's Toy Barn.

[[WMG: Woody and Jessie are not brother and sister]]
It's just a "LikeBrotherAndSister" or PlatonicLifePartners relationship, however the characters from the show they're based off show no signs of being related.

[[WMG: Jessie has a crush on Woody]]
The RelationshipWritingFumble seems too consistent and deliberate, and they didn't fix it for 3. Their relationship only at times fits "LikeBrotherAndSister" but usually it's a platonic best friend type relationship. She seems for affectionate and reliant on Woody then toward Buzz. Though this theory doesn't "ruin" her affections for Buzz either; It's not like people can't like two people at the same time or like one person more then the other.
* Considering that Woody probably saved her life multiple times within the continuity of the TV show (even with the final episode missing) and that she spent an untold number of years waiting to be 'rescued' from storage, Jessie could easily have developed a sort of KnightInShiningArmour complex over him before they had even met.
* Not only does ''Jessie'' like Woody but so does Buzz. It all makes sense now.
** [[OneTrueThreesome All three of them like each other.]] At the same time.
*** Exactly.

[[WMG:Jessie suffers from PSTD]]
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Look up the symptoms. They match Jessie quite well. Either that or she suffers from another sort of anxiety disorder related to abandonment. She also suffers from panic disorder and claustrophobia.

[[WMG: Toys are only alive for as long as they are wanted by someone]]
All toys start pre-packaged, and most aren't self aware at all, as evident in the toy shop in 2. The only toys we see alive are the hugely popular Barbie toys, and the even more popular Buzz Lightyear of Star Command line. Because these two lines are the most popular toy lines alive, the sheer amount of kids who want them as presents is enough for the to come to life, though the Buzz Lightyears "are suspended in hypersleep".

Once they're bought, the toys become alive for as long as they're wanted. Most toys therefore stop being wanted long before they get destroyed, and those that do break slowly stop living as they're forgotten about. Such is the case of Wheezey in 2.

Since Al wanted the complete Wood's Roundup collection (albeit for profit), the toys he collected were still alive, hence how Jessie and the Prospector were still alive, despite one being abandoned, and the other never having a child owner, that want brought them to life.

Sid's toys, despite haing been blown to bits, are still wanted. He's warped in the head, and prefers his toys to look freakish, and doesn't see the harm in taking two average toys and mixing them into something he wants even more.

Lotso and Big Baby were still wanted, even though they got replaced. Lotso's owner still wanted "her Lotso" even though she was now on her second Lotso. Hence they stayed alive until they got to the nursery, where they were wanted by other kids, and continued living.

Finally Andy never wanted to give up his toys. It's obvious throughout 3 that he still wants them he just thinks he's too old to be playing with toys now. Inspite of this, he never stops wanting them, choosing to store them safely in the attic, and this wanting keeps them alive throughout all the things they endure at both the nursery and at the garbage dump.
* Why, then, does Emperor Zurg pop out of the package to pursue Buzz in Toy Story 2, when he was never used yet?

[[WMG: The [[MemeticMolester Rapeface Woody]] is Japan's revenge on the real one.]]
Woody near-instantly rejected living in a Tokyo toy museum; he said it because he had to return to Andy, but Japanese toy makers saw it as an insult. So what do they do? Ruin his image by creating a doll of him wearing a SlasherSmile.
* Oh my God. This theory...I love it. Make it cannon, dagnabbit.

[[WMG: Stinky Pete lied about the "Woody's Roundup" finale.]]
Stinky Pete told Woody that "Woody's Roundup" was cancelled [[spoiler: [[NoEnding without revealing if Woody and Bullseye made it across the gorge and saved Jesse and Pete]].]] Now, whether or not this is accurate is doubtful concerning Pete later reveals how hell bent he is to go to the museum in Japan, and won't stand for Woody's crap. Also, it wasn't revealed that Jesse and Bullseye ''actually'' believed him. After all, concerning how long they've been in storage before Woody came along, there hasn't been time to check some sources, if you know what I mean. Now, before you mention the magazines Al has on the show, may I interject that even though Al is a die-hard collector of "Woody's Roundup" merchandise, I'm doubtful he has ''everything'' to complete his collection. Also, it doesn't seem Al owns a computer that would allow proof to be learned that would call out Stinky Pete's "facts".

...but, this wouldn't hold up without my #1 piece of evidence: the tape of the last episode. Not ''once'' is it made aware that the tape was removed from Al's VCR after being put in. Hell, [[spoiler: when Pete turned on the VCR to wake up Al and stop Woody from escaping]], a "Woody's Roundup" tape plays, so who's to say it's NOT the same tape! Not to mention that it, in fact, is the tape Woody plays for his friends when they come to rescue him.

Why is this important? Well, listen carefully after Buzz closes the hatch and we cut to Woody. On the TV, we hear [=TVJesse=] and [=TVWoody=] talking, with the later ending the show after. ...since it's likely that the tape playing is the tape of the final episode, [[FridgeBrilliance well...]]

[[WMG: The character of Woody died in the last episode of Woody's Round-Up.]]
Related to another WMG above, there was a "Woody's Finest Hour" episode aired where the character sacrificed himself for his friends, thus ending the series. The Woody doll Andy has was built after the final episode and, with his character no longer in existence, he retained no memories of him the way Buzz does. Jessie, Bullseye, and Stinky Pete would remember even if they were created after the final episode because their characters didn't die. This could also explain why Andy always makes Woody the hero of his games.

[[WMG: ''Woody's Roundup'' has a strong PeripheryDemographic of older fans in-universe.]]
Not just with toy collectors, but people who enjoy the show. Hence why Andy's mother was able to find Woody merchandise like bed sets despite the show being from the 1950's.

[[WMG: ''Woody's Roundup'' was supposed to have a darker ending, where Woody and Bullseye failed to save Jesse and Pete.]]
But ExecutiveMeddling happened, and eventually the producers were so fed up with it that they quit before the last episode could be made.

[[WMG: Geri the Toy Repairman knows that toys are alive.]]
That's why he treats them so well and does little things like put Woody's hat on a little personalized hat/coat rack and put a drool bib on him. He tries to treat each of his 'patients' with the same respect and dignity that he'd give a real person (possibly even more).

He learned the joy of being played with a got 'married' to [[UglyGuyHotWife a Barbie]] in the process. Or maybe hooked up with [[DirtyOldMan more than one]]. And his makeover involved giving him cooler clothes and accesories than he originally had as a Wild West prospector.

Related to another WMG above, there was a "Woody's Finest Hour" episode aired where the character sacrificed himself for his friends, thus ending the series. The Woody doll Andy has was built after the final episode and, with his character no longer in existence, he retained no memories of him the way Buzz does. Jessie, Bullseye, and Stinky Pete would remember even if they were created after the final episode because their characters didn't die. This could also explain why Andy always makes Woody the hero of his games.

*** Don't worry about it, because Action Comics #1 is rare today not because so few copies were printed, but rather because so few copies survived destruction in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII-era paper drives.

*** Exactly.

* Presumably nothin'. It's canon that Buzz doesn't know anything that happened to the Star Command-continuity Buzz after [=TS1=] until he learns it as a toy.

If you can't remember, during the outtakes, Stinky Pete was seen talking to two identical Barbie dolls and tells them he's sure he can get a part for them in ''Toy Story 3''. And he did: one of the Barbies is the main Barbie doll and the other is her stunt double.

*** Emily? I don't even remember.