History WMG / ThorTheDarkWorld

** Jossed as of GuardiansOfTheGalaxy. We know of at least once that was never referred to as anything but [[spoiler: an Infinity Stone]].

* Think about it, when Loki first appears he is a [[TragicVillain tragic figure]], and the main reason for his SanitySlippage is the loss of his Asgardian identity. In ''Film/TheAvengers,'' however, much of this characterisation has been done away with. Where previously he explicitly states that he never wanted the throne he is now trying to conquer worlds and his characterisation has shifted from AffablyEvil to FauxAffablyEvil CompleteMonster. This could be explained as CharacterDevelopment, but his abrupt snapback to something like his original characterisation in ''Thor: The Dark World'' would suggest otherwise. He appears to act as those around him expect him to act - not the way they want him to act, exactly, but he acts as those he works for and with expect him to. Thanos expects a conqueror, so Loki becomes one. Thor expects his annoying little brother, so that is what Loki becomes despite their interactions in the first ''Film/{{Thor}}'' movie having been markedly different.

* Think about it, when Loki first appears he is a [[TragicVillain tragic figure]], and the main reason for his SanitySlippage is the loss of his Asgardian identity. In ''Film/TheAvengers,'' however, much of this characterisation has been done away with. Where previously he explicitly states that he never wanted the throne he is now trying to conquer worlds and his characterisation has shifted from AffablyEvil to FauxAffablyEvil CompleteMonster. This could be explained as CharacterDevelopment, but his abrupt snapback to something like his original characterisation in ThorTheDarkWorld would suggest otherwise. He appears to act as those around him expect him to act - not the way they want him to act, exactly, but he acts as those he works for and with expect him to. Thanos expects a conqueror, so Loki becomes one. Thor expects his annoying little brother, so that is what Loki becomes despite their interactions in the first ''Film/{{Thor}}'' movie having been markedly different.

** [[spoiler: Jossed, Muspelheim is shown as in passing one of the Nine Realms during the Convergence but is not mentioned by name, nor do either of the stingers suggest this]]

* But if Loki was the soldier then that means he did kill his father

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[[Heimdall will end up taking the throne of Asgard.]]

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[[WMG: The Jotunheim's beast will end up in [[Disney/Frozen Arendelle]]]]

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* As stated above, this is legally bared as long as the FF rights are gone. Galactus is a no go (and this is the third time he's been mentioned on this page; what part of "Fantastic Four doesn't belong to Marvel anymore" do people not understand?).

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* This would be consistent with the Aether probably being [[spoiler:the Power Gem]]

[[WMG: [[spoiler:Odin was killed, but wasn't killed by Loki..]]]]

[spoiler: Odin was killed by another villain ]]

[[spoiler: It was Thanos' plan to make Loki the king of Asgard. He took Loki off the Dark World, brought him back to Asgard, took care of Odin (Either killed him or imprisoned him somewhere.), and Loki took Odin's throne. Now he has the tesseract, and if speculation is right, the Atheir too.]]

As much as it pains me to say it, I think that Loki's redemption will come at the cost of his life - he'll jump in front of either Thor or Jane to save them from a Malekith-attack (there's a big NO from Thor in the trailer, maybe this is why). I mean, he's done a lot of terrible things, things that can't really be atoned for by the administration of a warm hug and a rueful smile. But then again, it might not be on the cards, it's in Marvel's best interests to keep the Loki-arc open because there are hordes of people counting down the days for this just for the chance to see the God of Mischief in action again.
* Hiddleston has said he's willing to play Loki for as long as Marvel wants him, meaning he probably won't die in this one at least.
** Alternatively, the film could just start him on a redemption arc which spans for a few more films (Avengers 2 & 3, Thor 3, etc). Like the troper said above, his actions can't be forgiven with a "warm hug and a rueful smile". A redemption arc spanning several films would be just as believable as him dying, as there would be plenty of time for him to make up for his mistakes and facing the consequences of what he's done.
** Original troper here: look at the part of the trailer just before [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7p7rocHEecE#t=75s Thor does his big NO]] [[spoiler: Look at who is the apparent ‘sacrifice’: who else would be wearing leather with green material for wrist-guards? Thor’s always preferred red and blue highlights and Jane’s not wearing leather. It’s already been established that Loki is probably not the type to kneel voluntarily. And apparently this is at the hands of MALEKITH THE ACCURSED, who is not some puny human or burly non-magic Asgardian but an accomplished Dark Elf magic-user not likely to be fooled by Loki-reflections. However, trailers are reputed to be repositories of misdirection of the finest quality, and the people behind these movies know that poking a hornet’s nest of Loki-fans is probably a good way to make sure they’ve got an audience.]] …GODDAMMIT WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER 5 BLEEDING MONTHS FOR THIS??
* There is a simpler way to do this, and keep Loki in the franchise. Let him die with a DyingMomentOfAwesome, and then show that he was NotQuiteDead in the lost scene during the credits.
** Could happen; may end up as a dead ringer for ''Film/{{Thor}}'''s stinger.
*** Would certainly fit in with Loki's M.O., since it was revealed at the end of JourneyIntoMystery that [[spoiler: the entire chain of events from Loki's HeroicSacrifice to save Asgard through his reincarnation and gradual winning of the trust of those around him was a a plan to clear his name and free him up for further shenanigans of as-yet undetermined morality.]] Faking his own RedemptionEqualsDeath ? Absolutely possible.
*** [[spoiler: Confirmed, sort of. He appears to die for real at first, but then it turns out the death was faked. Whoever the troper is above who guessed this, congrats.]]

** [[spoiler:Except for those two fighter jets.]]
** [[spoiler:You mean the RAF fighter jets, that never had anything to do with S.H.I.E.L.D.?]]

* THIS MUST HAPPEN.
** Only if he starts tearing up at the thought of it.
*** Jossed.

* There is a comic relief character already, Volstagg.

But this time Thor will see it coming and hilariously yet awesomely hit him for it.
* Alternately, he'll pull it on Kurse, and then snidely comment to Thor that "it's nice to see someone other than you fall for that."

*** [[spoiler:He does it again to pull a long con on Malekith, and it ''is'' awesome.]]

They have a "blink and you'll miss it" moment of flirtation in the background of the first movie, and Kat Dennings has teased that Darcy may get some romance action in ''The Dark World.''
* Or she's together with that guy who's helping her with something in the trailer (he's apparently called Ian).

* Alternatively.....

In which he pretends to be on Malekith's side, but is really fighting for Asgard. [[spoiler: The whole 'slicing off Thor's hand' business could be an instant of IfYoureSoEvilEatThisKitten, and he uses his trickster/magic abilities to only make it ''look'' like he'd done it.]]
* Certainly the scene in the new trailer where Malekith is levitating Jane with Loki, the Dark Elves and possibly Thor standing by would be a good opportunity to betray either side for Laufeyson.
** [[spoiler: Loki supposedly betraying Thor was part of their plan. So yes, Loki really is fighting for Asgard, only Thor knew about the trick.]]

* But [[spoiler: Tyr will.]] After all, that's primarily what [[spoiler: Tyr]] is known for.

* When Thor went back on Earth in Avengers, Loki mentioned Odin had probably used "Dark Energy" to send him. This might have a connection with the Dark Elves, hence the title.
** I'll be surprised if this plot point isn't used.

So Alan Taylor has said there's gonna be a lot of deaths in this one. He said Thor survives, but everyone else isn't safe. So, there's a lot of people who could die:

* Heimdall - He could die protecting Asgard, showing just how dangerous this enemy is. But since he's so badass, probably not.

* Frigga - This has pretty much been confirmed.
** [[spoiler: Yeah, she dies.]]
* Odin - In a shocking twist, the King of Asgard could die, leaving Thor to take his place. I would be surprised if this happened, but the possibility is there.
** If they follow the original arc including the war with Surtur, this is entirely in line with comic events.
*** [[spoiler: We have no clue whether this is confirmed or Jossed. Loki's disguised as him and is sitting on the throne, but that doesn't mean Odin's dead.]]

* Kind of true, though not thoroughly explored. Odin definitely sets the vibe when comparing her to a "goat on a banquet table" and the healers don't seem too care so much. Averted by Frigga, who is very kind.

* [[spoiler:Not so much. Loki and Jane's interactions are limited due to her weakened state from the Aether.]]

* Sadly, that is legally bared as long as the FF rights are gone. Galactus is a no go.

[[WMG: There's gonna be a massive, MASSIVE twist in here somewhere.]]
I feel Marvel has given away so much about the film - [[spoiler: Frigga, Thor's hand (maybe?), the Comic-Con footage, hints of Loki-death in the trailers]] - that there must be something in there that will totally blindside everyone and their goldfish.
* There's one surprising reveal at the end, [[spoiler:about both the Tesseract and the Aether being Infinity Gems.]]
* There is the mother of all twists: [[spoiler:Loki is alive and ruling Asgard.]]

The end seen with Sif, Volstagg and [[spoiler: the Collecter reveals the Tesserect (which I think is also the Cosmic Cube?) is actually one of the Infinity Stones. Therefore, the other 5 Stones are also either well known powerful items, or part of them (such as part of the Ultimate Nullifier, or the Orb of Agamatto)]]

Loki is now [[spoiler: disguising himself as Odin]] as a means to hide and potentially protect himself in case Thanos comes back for him because of his failure in ''Avengers''.
* He doesn't have to ''protect'' himself anymore. [[spoiler: If Thanos or his majordomo show up demanding the Tessaract, he's actually in a position to just ''give'' it to them.]] It's safe to say his bases are well covered now.
** [[spoiler: Thantos is probably the type to take the Tessaract, then go ahead with whatever he was going to do with Loki anyway. Loki is smart enough to realise this. It's probably best to be on the safe side.]]

[[spoiler: Because truthfully, Loki isn't powerful enough to kill him. He only disguised himself as the guard in order to trick Odin into believing he was dead, and later disguises himself as Odin in order to see what Thor was going to do (Odin was somewhere else when this happened). As for what his next motives are...we'll have to wait until Thor 3 for that.]]
* [[spoiler: Also, it wouldn't be like Marvel to kill Odin off screen.]]
* [[spoiler: Alternatively, he's just entered the Odinsleep. He did, if I'm recalling correctly, expend a lot of energy (along with the rest of the Asgardians) driving back the Dark Elves.]]

* I feel so sorry for those guys right now.
** Why? That Ice troll is awesome. [[spoiler: He's helping London with its infestation of pigeons.]]
*** [[TheDividual FitzSimmons]] will want to keep it as a pet.

* All evidence so far shows that Loki's illusions are intangible: how could Thor [[spoiler:hold his body as he "died" if he was faking that massive wound]]? I think that [[spoiler:he died, and somehow Thanos showed up and offered him the chance to come back if he would help Thanos retrieve the Infinity Gems, or maybe him and Thanos had it planned all along from the very beginning.]] Or maybe Loki learnt something about [[spoiler:coming back from the dead]] on his journey into mystery in-between ''Film/{{Thor}}'' and ''Film/TheAvengers''.
** From what I could tell, illusions are only intangible if said illusion is a decoy (like Jane's was). Remember that when Thor [[spoiler: supposedly got his arm cut off, Malekith could still kick him. So Loki only faked the wound but he was really there.]]
*** Slight issue with the above idea (at least, I think there is, but it's also 4:00 am). Say that the stuff about illusions is accurate. Are we forgetting the part where [[spoiler:Loki was actually impaled by the guy? Of course, it could potentially have been staged, but it just seems unlikely.]]
** Another option, and this one is going on some assumptions about the universe, is that [[spoiler:Loki died and Hel brought him back.]] Assuming that Loki's children exist in this universe (and Sleipnir did appear back in ''Thor''), it is a possibility that she could have come into play. [[spoiler:It just seems to make a bit more sense than Thanos bringing Loki back to me.]]
*** When Loki tells Kurse, "See you in Hel, monster!", I'm pretty sure he was referring to the Norse underworld, and not the Christian hell. I may be reading too much into things, but it does seem like the writers included that line on purpose as a possible clue to how [[spoiler:Loki cheated death.]]

Granted, he didn't seem to have that high of an opinion on humans in the past, but he did [[spoiler: fling her out of the way of the gravity grenade and almost got killed himself in the process. And he made the action look far too instinctive to be part of a carefully-constructed plan to manipulate anyone]]. Basically, that act was most likely a genuine reaction on his part.

OK, bare with me, this is literally the only way I can make any sense of the ending barring a TON of stuff that happened offscreen, that should have been in the movie. [[spoiler: One of the thing we know about Odin is that he believes in results. He knows he needs an heir, and Thor isn't cut out for it, and probably already guessed that Thor no longer wanted it. Now, hate Loki though he may, he realized that Loki would at least have a vested interest in protecting Asgard if he was its king. And, overall, Loki actually has the potential to be a truly great king. So, Odin let Loki take on his form to make the transition of power work.]]
* I second this WMG. Maybe not for necessarily the same reasons, but wouldn't the real twist be if [[spoiler: Loki ''didn't'' do anything unsavory to Odin, but was allowed by him to literally take his place on the throne?]] For...some reason.
* But then, why wouldn't he openly gloat about it? Why the masquerade?
** "Hey everyone! You thought I was your king, but I'm actually your greatest war criminal! And now I have the throne! And there's nothing you can do about it! Nyah nyah nyah!" *is immediately impaled by 10,000 Asgardian spears*

Loki [[spoiler: killed him]] immediately after that scene in the throne room, hence the smirk.
* Yeah...except the problem is that Marvel wouldn't do that. It was okay to [[spoiler: kill Frigga as she was a relatively minor character in the comics. But as stated above, to kill a major Character like ODIN would be REALLY stretching it with the fans.]]
** [[http://screencrush.com/thor-2-odin/ This article]]. It could go either way.

* Doubtful. Thor thus far is only able to see through Loki's illusions when Loki makes it apparent to him that he's doing it, like in the cell. Thor knew that Loki was torn up about his [[spoiler: mother's death]] and expected to see him in the squalor that he really was, so he saw through it. Now however, Thor has no reason to suspect Loki is alive and Loki played his part quite well, I can't imagine the real Odin would have said much of anything different.

[[spoiler: Okay, in the first movie Loki lied and told Thor that the stress of everything that had happened was too much for Odin, and he died. Now at the end of Dark World, Odin has lost his wife, and believes he has lost a son. This proved too much for the Allfather to bear, and he passed away. Loki was simply in the right place to take advantage of this.]]
* I second this, and add that since (though correct me if I'm wrong) we didn't see the soldier[[spoiler:/Loki]] telling Odin who [[spoiler:had died]] and only see him assuming that it was [[spoiler:Loki]], it's possible that the soldier[[spoiler:/Loki]] told Odin that it was [[spoiler:''Thor'' who had died]] which, from what I can tell, would have been more [[spoiler:devastating to him]] than if he thought [[spoiler:Loki had died]].

We have seen two, there are 5 more to go. Sure, the next movies will likely introduce new ones. But, as those are films, I wouldn't dismiss the chance that some object already seen in the cinematic universe has been an infinity gem all along. My bet is on "Gravitonium".
* Actually, there are only six Infinity Gems, four of which haven't been revealed yet. When the Collector says "five to go", he counts the Tesseract among the five, since it's in Asgard and he doesn't possess it yet.

* We saw the same green-light-thing effect that happens when Loki uses his illusions when the guard isin the Dark World.

Despite all their wickedness, there will be people who think it is a good guy or are at least agree with him .