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* Jossed. [[Manga/TheNightmareBeforeChristmasZerosJourney The sequel comic]] shows Oogie has a [[KilledOffForReal tomb in the cemetery]], Lock, Shock, and Barrel outright state he's been gone a while, and aside from a quick cameo painted on a wall in Issue 10, hasn't been referenced since.
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*** While neither games are official canon [[VideoGame/TheNightmareBeforeChristmasThePumpkinKing the prequel]] also has LSB mention to Jack that Oogie will "whomp" them if they tell him where Sally is, so this theory holds some weight if you want to factor the games in.

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Except maybe the Mayor, who probably always sings the "In this town" lines. In addition, each monster[[note]]With the exception of, presumably, the Mayor (who only sings the "In this town" parts), Sally (who prefers not to take part in the song), Jack (because the song is meant to build up to his grand entrance), and any monsters who can't speak (like Zero)[[/note]] has their own "I am the" line, but which monsters sing theirs is rotated every year. This is probably one of the things that the Mayor likes to plan out. Let's guess what the other monster's lines might be:

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Except maybe the Mayor, who probably always sings the "In this town" lines. In addition, Maybe each monster[[note]]With the exception exceptions of, presumably, presumably: the Mayor (who likely only sings the "In this town" parts), Sally (who prefers not to take part in the song), Jack (because the song is meant to build up to his grand entrance), and any monsters monster who can't speak (like Zero)[[/note]] has their own "I am the" line, but which monsters sing theirs is rotated every year. This is probably one of the things that the Mayor likes to plan out. Let's guess what the other monster's monsters' lines might be:


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** Or, before he made his wife (assuming Sally wasn't one), "I'm the evil genius with a brilliant mind / Mad science only, that's my kind!"

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* Indeed, a point the original theory overlooks is that the movie implies it took years for Jack to become disenchanted with Halloween.
-->'''James, the Saxophone player:''' Good Job, Bone Daddy.
-->'''Jack:''' Yeah, I guess so. Just like Last Year. And the year before that, and the year before that.
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** Definitely true in the non-canon [=PS2=] game. He hails from Bug Day.

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** Definitely true in the non-canon [=PS2=] GBA game. He hails from Bug Day.
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** Furthermore, it's not ''Oogie's Revenge'' that mentions Bug Day, it's the GBA prequel game, ''Pumpkin King''.



[[WMG: Oogie Return for a Sequel]]
Oogie Boogie is going to come back for a second (third if Oogie's Revenge is going to be canon) round and this time he is going to have help from other former hoilday rulers who are from other long forgotten pagan hoildays, as well as personifications of now obscure darker aspects of the current hoildays.

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[[WMG: Oogie will Return for a Sequel]]
Oogie Boogie is going to come back for a second (third if Oogie's Revenge ''Oogie's Revenge'' is going to be canon) round and this time he is going to have help from other former hoilday rulers who are from other long forgotten pagan hoildays, as well as personifications of now obscure darker aspects of the current hoildays.
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* Yes, [[YouFailBiologyForever biologically this doesn't make sense]], but think about it:

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* Yes, [[YouFailBiologyForever [[ArtisticLicenseBiology biologically this doesn't make sense]], but think about it:
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* [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming D'awwwwwww!]]

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* [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments D'awwwwwww!]]
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Taking into account Tim Burton's "No Magic" rule, Jack is able to bend the Spiral Hill, rise from water without getting wet, and breathe fire without the pre-drinking of flammable liquids, all under his own power! Not to mention Jack is one of the few characters in KingdomHearts who has dark versions of the normal spells available to Sora and Donald, as opposed to following an elemental theme such as Ariel or Mulan. The UsefulNotes/PlayStation2 video game gave him direct control of fire and ice depending on the suit worn. As this troper sees it, Jack was born a Waterbender, learned Earth- and Fire-bending, and has only Air left to master! (Unless this troper has forgotten an example...)

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Taking into account Tim Burton's "No Magic" rule, Jack is able to bend the Spiral Hill, rise from water without getting wet, and breathe fire without the pre-drinking of flammable liquids, all under his own power! Not to mention Jack is one of the few characters in KingdomHearts ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' who has dark versions of the normal spells available to Sora and Donald, as opposed to following an elemental theme such as Ariel or Mulan. The UsefulNotes/PlayStation2 video game gave him direct control of fire and ice depending on the suit worn. As this troper sees it, Jack was born a Waterbender, learned Earth- and Fire-bending, and has only Air left to master! (Unless this troper has forgotten an example...)
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[[WMG: Oogie Return for a Sequel]]
Oogie Boogie is going to come back for a second (third if Oogie's Revenge is going to be canon) round and this time he is going to have help from other former hoilday rulers who are from other long forgotten pagan hoildays, as well as personifications of now obscure darker aspects of the current hoildays.
*Expect either Krampus or the Frau Perchta as one Oogie's allies who want revenge on Santa Claus.
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** "I am Dr. Jekyll's insidious side! / All of London fears the cruel Mr. Hyde!"
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* As of her transfer to ''Franchise/EverAfterHigh'', it's pretty clear that the "bone elemental" idea was purely a hypothesis on Ghoulia's part and that Cupid just changes appearances to match her surroundings. Jack is likely just the abstract idea of a skeleton or a monster rather than reanimated bones, so he doesn't have to obey the rules of biology.

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* As of her transfer to ''Franchise/EverAfterHigh'', ''Toys/EverAfterHigh'', it's pretty clear that the "bone elemental" idea was purely a hypothesis on Ghoulia's part and that Cupid just changes appearances to match her surroundings. Jack is likely just the abstract idea of a skeleton or a monster rather than reanimated bones, so he doesn't have to obey the rules of biology.
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As in Tim Burton's later movie ''WesternAnimation/CorpseBride'', nearly all of the monsters are [[DarkIsNotEvil fun-loving and genial despite their scary looks]], while the humans are more selfish and dull, if not outright evil. Although Lock, Shock, and Barrel are AmbiguouslyHuman, they are perhaps the most humanlike residents of Halloween Town, and some of the cruelest. The humans in the "real world" are more justified examples, as they feel legitimately threatened by Jack's attempt at making Christmas, but perhaps they were too quick to panic. Most of the toys seemed like they genuinely wanted to play, but the humans didn't consider this at all, instead panicking, shooting down Jack's sleigh, and declaring Christmas to be RuinedForever.

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As in Tim Burton's later movie ''WesternAnimation/CorpseBride'', nearly all of the monsters are [[DarkIsNotEvil fun-loving and genial despite their scary looks]], while the humans are more selfish and dull, if not outright evil. Although Lock, Shock, and Barrel are AmbiguouslyHuman, they are perhaps the most humanlike residents of Halloween Town, and some of the cruelest. The humans in the "real world" are more justified examples, as they feel legitimately threatened by Jack's attempt at making Christmas, but perhaps they were too quick to panic. Most of the toys seemed like they genuinely wanted to play, but the humans didn't consider this at all, instead panicking, shooting down Jack's sleigh, and declaring Christmas to be RuinedForever.
DarthWiki/RuinedForever.
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Lock, shock, and Barrel were once normal kids and wonder around the woods one halloween night and stumble upon the holiday-door-trees and go into Halloween Town. Turns out that Halloween Town is a place where you go there or stay too long you become permanent residents--do we have a trope of that? In short they stayed too long.

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Lock, shock, Shock, and Barrel were once normal kids and wonder around the woods one halloween night and stumble upon the holiday-door-trees and go into Halloween Town. Turns out that Halloween Town is a place where you go there or stay too long you become permanent residents--do we have a trope of that? In short they stayed too long.
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** [[TimeLord Regeneration.]]

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** [[TimeLord [[JustForFun/TimeLord Regeneration.]]



[[WMG: Each Holiday Tree is a [[Series/DoctorWho TARDIS]] and Jack is a TimeLord.]]
Mandatory TimeLord theory. Prove it wrong.

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[[WMG: Each Holiday Tree is a [[Series/DoctorWho TARDIS]] and Jack is a TimeLord.JustForFun/TimeLord.]]
Mandatory TimeLord JustForFun/TimeLord theory. Prove it wrong.
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[[WMG: Jack is a bone elemental like [[Franchise/MonsterHigh C.A. Cupid]].]]

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[[WMG: Jack is a bone elemental like [[Franchise/MonsterHigh [[Toys/MonsterHigh C.A. Cupid]].]]
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[[Wmg: Jack is the hero in the legend of the Jack-O-Lantern.]]

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[[Wmg: Jack is the hero in the legend of the Jack-O-Lantern.]]
If you're not familiar with it, Jack was a drunkard who was once visited by the devil, who wanted to take him away. However, Jack tricked the devil by luring him up a tree, and drawing a cross on it, trapping the devil and not letting him come down unless he leaves him alone. After Jack died, he couldn't enter Heaven because he was a drunkard, and he couldn't enter Hell because the devil was still mad at him, altough he was given a little burning ember. So Jack carved a carrot/pumpkin, put the ember in it, and kept wandering the afterlife.
It's one of the known legends about Halloweenand who would be a better leader for the holiday than the one who invented one of the main symbols?
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[[WMG: Sally was a doll given at Christmas]]
It's possible that at least some of the residents of Halloweentown, before they came there, had lives in our world. Sally's life is that she was a handmade doll given as a Christmas gift. She belonged to a girl or family for a while. Eventually someone thought she was too scary-looking, and she was thrown out, or maybe destroyed, and was "reborn" in Halloweentown. The fact that Christmas was so important in her previous life is why she has an intuitive understanding of it - of Christmas, and of love - which no one else in Halloweentown has.
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** Except that's not always the case. People who have feelings for someone can be especially distrustful of any reciprocation hints. They might be read as wishful thinking or self-indulgent pattern recognition. In Jack's specific case, he a) is shown not to have such a high degree of emotional maturity, so I wouldn't count on him readily recognising his own feelings, let alone Sally's, and b) may or may not be going through depression, but sure as hell he's going through a period of crisis, self-doubt and confusion. That alone chunks anyone's inability to recognise other people's feelings for them up to eleven: Jack clearly has the love and respect of all the people in Halloween Town, but that doesn't reach him. He has zero self-worth, so is unreceptive to what positive feelings other people have for him. That would include Sally, until after he finds himself again and re-establishes his sense of self-worth.
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Except maybe the Mayor, who probably always sings the "In this town" lines. In addition, each monster[[note]]With the exception of, presumably, the Mayor (who only sings the "In this town" parts), Sally (who prefers not to take part in the song) and Jack (because the song is meant to build up to his grand entrance)[[/note]] has their own "I am the" line, but which monsters sing theirs is rotated every year. This is probably one of the things that the Mayor likes to plan out. Let's guess what the other monster's lines might be:
* Dr. Finklestein: "I'm the evil genius with the monster wife! Bringing your worst nightmares to life!"

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Except maybe the Mayor, who probably always sings the "In this town" lines. In addition, each monster[[note]]With the exception of, presumably, the Mayor (who only sings the "In this town" parts), Sally (who prefers not to take part in the song) and song), Jack (because the song is meant to build up to his grand entrance)[[/note]] entrance), and any monsters who can't speak (like Zero)[[/note]] has their own "I am the" line, but which monsters sing theirs is rotated every year. This is probably one of the things that the Mayor likes to plan out. Let's guess what the other monster's lines might be:
* Dr. Finklestein: "I'm the evil genius with the monster wife! / Bringing your worst nightmares to life!"
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* Dr. Finklestein: "I'm the evil genius with the monster with! Bringing your worst nightmares to life!"

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* Dr. Finklestein: "I'm the evil genius with the monster with! wife! Bringing your worst nightmares to life!"

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Except maybe the Mayor, who probably always sings the "In this town" lines. In addition, each monster has their own "I am the" line, but which monsters sing theirs is rotated every year. This is probably one of the things that the Mayor likes to plan out. Let's guess what the other monster's lines might be:

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Except maybe the Mayor, who probably always sings the "In this town" lines. In addition, each monster monster[[note]]With the exception of, presumably, the Mayor (who only sings the "In this town" parts), Sally (who prefers not to take part in the song) and Jack (because the song is meant to build up to his grand entrance)[[/note]] has their own "I am the" line, but which monsters sing theirs is rotated every year. This is probably one of the things that the Mayor likes to plan out. Let's guess what the other monster's lines might be:be:
* Dr. Finklestein: "I'm the evil genius with the monster with! Bringing your worst nightmares to life!"
* Lock, Shock, and Barrel: "We are the kids, who, though no older than six / don't like treats, cause we'd rather play tricks!"


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* Werewolf: "I am the werewolf, hear me growl! / Nobody's safe when I'm on the prowl!"
* Devil: "I am the devil, making you feel unwell / Evil and frightening like I'm straight from hell!"
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* Mr. Hyde: "I am the man who holds in his hat / tinier men, like the size of a rat!"

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* Mr. Hyde: "I am the man who holds in his hat / tinier men, like the size of a rat!"that's where we are at!"
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[[WMG:The monsters sing "This is Halloween" every year, but each time, different monsters sing different parts.]]
Except maybe the Mayor, who probably always sings the "In this town" lines. In addition, each monster has their own "I am the" line, but which monsters sing theirs is rotated every year. This is probably one of the things that the Mayor likes to plan out. Let's guess what the other monster's lines might be:
* Undersea Gal: "I am the lady lurking under the lake / swimming with me is a big mistake!"
* Harlequin Demon: "I am the creature who looks quite unique! / alien features to make you shriek!"
* Mr. Hyde: "I am the man who holds in his hat / tinier men, like the size of a rat!"
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[[WMG:Christmas magic is what saved Jack's life.]]
The monsters' reaction to Jack's sleigh getting shot down indicates that, despite being a skeleton, he ''should'' have died. Maybe some outside force from Christmas Town (or maybe the night itself was magical) stepped in to keep the explosion and fall from killing Jack, so he could save Santa.
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* A skeleton alien, huh? A [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot combination of monsters]] like that ''would'' be a great choice for the king of Halloween.




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* That certainly makes more sense than Selick's idea that the hill is mechanical (See WhatCouldHaveBeen on the Trivia page).



jack was possibly a violent gangster but one that looked out for his community, like the black panther movement in the 60's
and watches out for Halloween town, well Oogie uses terror to control the peopleof halloween

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jack Jack was possibly a violent gangster gangster, but one that looked out for his community, like community (like the black panther Black Panther movement in the 60's
60's)
and watches out for Halloween town, well Town, while Oogie uses terror to control the peopleof halloween
people of Halloween.
* Considering that TheCasino is often associated with gangsters, this could be true on Oogie's part.



[[WMG: Halloween Town is ''Halloweentown.'']]

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[[WMG: Halloween Town is ''Halloweentown.''Film/{{Halloweentown}}.'']]
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[[WMG:Oogie Boogie isn't really the bogeyman.]]
As noted on the Characters page, he is a a self described boogieman", but doesn't show many typical traits of the bogeyman, such as [[ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight haunting children's bedrooms]] - at least, not on screen. Maybe he's a completely different monster who suffers from AGodAmI. Besides, Oogie looks very different from other depictions of the bogeyman - like the Characters page says, his appearance is more akin to a typical BedsheetGhost.

[[WMG:The movie has a subtle "HumansAreTheRealMonsters" message.]]
As in Tim Burton's later movie ''WesternAnimation/CorpseBride'', nearly all of the monsters are [[DarkIsNotEvil fun-loving and genial despite their scary looks]], while the humans are more selfish and dull, if not outright evil. Although Lock, Shock, and Barrel are AmbiguouslyHuman, they are perhaps the most humanlike residents of Halloween Town, and some of the cruelest. The humans in the "real world" are more justified examples, as they feel legitimately threatened by Jack's attempt at making Christmas, but perhaps they were too quick to panic. Most of the toys seemed like they genuinely wanted to play, but the humans didn't consider this at all, instead panicking, shooting down Jack's sleigh, and declaring Christmas to be RuinedForever.
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After Jack commands Lock, Shock, and Barrel to take the Easter Bunny back and get Santa Claus, we don't really find out whether they listened to him or not. But considering that they had every intention of handing Santa over to Oogie, it seems like they would do the same with the Easter Bunny. What happened next depends on where you fall on the SlidingScaleOfIdealismAndCynicism. If you want a happy ending, maybe the Easter Bunny was tougher than he looks, and he managed to fight off the trio and make his way back home. Alternatively, they took the EB to Oogie, who ''also'' got mad, commanded them to bring him Santa instead, and let the EB go. Unfortunately, it's also possible that Oogie was more than happy to accept the trio's offering, and he made some rabbit stew...

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After Jack commands Lock, Shock, and Barrel to take the Easter Bunny back and get Santa Claus, we don't really find out whether they listened to him or not. But considering that they had every intention of handing Santa over to Oogie, it seems like they would do the same with the Easter Bunny. What happened next depends on where you fall on the SlidingScaleOfIdealismAndCynicism.SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism. If you want a happy ending, maybe the Easter Bunny was tougher than he looks, and he managed to fight off the trio and make his way back home. Alternatively, they took the EB to Oogie, who ''also'' got mad, commanded them to bring him Santa instead, and let the EB go. Unfortunately, it's also possible that Oogie was more than happy to accept the trio's offering, and he made some rabbit stew...
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[[WMG:[[WhatHappenedToTheMouse What happened to the Easter Bunny]]...]]
After Jack commands Lock, Shock, and Barrel to take the Easter Bunny back and get Santa Claus, we don't really find out whether they listened to him or not. But considering that they had every intention of handing Santa over to Oogie, it seems like they would do the same with the Easter Bunny. What happened next depends on where you fall on the SlidingScaleOfIdealismAndCynicism. If you want a happy ending, maybe the Easter Bunny was tougher than he looks, and he managed to fight off the trio and make his way back home. Alternatively, they took the EB to Oogie, who ''also'' got mad, commanded them to bring him Santa instead, and let the EB go. Unfortunately, it's also possible that Oogie was more than happy to accept the trio's offering, and he made some rabbit stew...

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