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** Another element could be that the Samuel doesn't actually destroy Richard, he destroys himself due to not having any impulse control or long-term planning. Richard repeatedly shows himself TheSociopath throughout the series and the reason he acted like a better person in the early books was because he [[BitchInSheepsClothing knew how to hide what a horrible person he is]] but forgot how to do that as the series progressed. Samuel destroys the sword which causes Richard to destroy everything he's created due to several decisions that are [[WhatAnIdiot stupid,]] [[MoralEventHorizon heinous]] or both.

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** Another element could be that the Samuel doesn't actually destroy Richard, he destroys himself due to not having any impulse control or long-term planning. Richard repeatedly shows himself TheSociopath throughout the series and the reason he acted like a better person in the early books was because he [[BitchInSheepsClothing knew how to hide what a horrible person he is]] but forgot how to do that as the series progressed. Samuel destroys the sword which causes Richard to destroy everything he's created due to several decisions that are [[WhatAnIdiot stupid,]] stupid, [[MoralEventHorizon heinous]] or both.
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The book series starts as a typical fantasy book, with the 'ordinary' man rising to a threat/starting a quest. over the course of the series (at least as far as this troper got - sorry, could'nt get past the repeated author tracts in the book with the gosh-darn-evil-pasifists), Richard slowly evolves into what he was cautioned against in the first book - someone so convinced of his own rightousness that anything he does is right because he does it and anyone who disagrees with him is naive, deluded, and/or evil. Richard was starting to rmind me of Darken Rahl just a bit...

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The book series starts as a typical fantasy book, with the 'ordinary' man rising to a threat/starting a quest. over the course of the series (at least as far as this troper got - sorry, could'nt couldn't get past the repeated author tracts in the book with the gosh-darn-evil-pasifists), Richard slowly evolves into what he was cautioned against in the first book - someone so convinced of his own rightousness that anything he does is right because he does it and anyone who disagrees with him is naive, deluded, and/or evil. Richard was starting to rmind me of Darken Rahl just a bit...
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* This premise could make an awesome HateFic where Richard is a PsychopathicManchild who [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity never moved past the childish mental state of believing]] [[TautologicalTemplar that everyone he likes is completely good and everyone he hates is completely evil.]] The Sword of Truth is an ArtifactOfDoom that's danger-level is proportional to how deluded the wielder is. Because HumansAreFlawed, the perceptions of all humans are flawed and because of that, the Sword is dangerous in the hands of anyone because it will [[RealityWarper warp reality]] to fit those perceptions no matter how much CharacterDerailment is required for it. Many of the villains go from being utterly heinous to {{Jerkass Woobie}}s since they used to be people with [[RousseauWasRight genuinely good]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]] (as the books used to claim) and even had a few PetTheDog moments until the sword warped them into [[StrawCharacter disdainful caricatures of themselves.]] For example, the Imperial Order used to be SocialDarwinist in ''Blood of the Fold'' and ''Temple of the Wind'' but because Richard [[NotSoDifferent couldn't handle the cognitive dissonance of someone he perceives as evil having the same ideology as him]] he [[BelievingTheirOwnLies made up that they have the opposite ideology.]] Emperor Jagang used to be someone who would believe that the strong should rule the weak but after being beaten [[VillainsDyingGrace he would give up control of the Order to whoever beat him.]] The Bankarans are pacifists but they're willing to fight back if threatened but will consider the act to be DirtyBusiness. Richard's allies used to be good people up until his perceptions warped them into being [[KnightTemplar just as brutal, bloodthirsty and destructive as he is.]] The story would follow a HeroWithBadPublicity who is immune to the swords {{RetCon}}s but because of Richard [[SelfServingMemory making up a bunch of atrocities]] the hero is considered to be a horrible person because everyone has been warped into believing that the character crossed the MoralEventHorizon multiple times. Some of the "victims" even remember the hero doing the acts since everyone except the hero is controlled by the Retcons. The hero is forced [[InTheEndYouAreOnYourOwn to oppose Richard alone]] since he/she knows that any allies he/she gains are not immune to being warped into total villains. The story follows the hero stripping away Richard's PlotArmour up until he has a VillainousBreakdown since he believes that EvilWillFail, not realizing that [[WrongGenreSavvy he's the villain.]]

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* This premise could make an awesome HateFic where Richard is a PsychopathicManchild who [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity never moved past the childish mental state of believing]] [[TautologicalTemplar that everyone he likes is completely good and everyone he hates is completely evil.]] The Sword of Truth is an ArtifactOfDoom that's danger-level is proportional to how deluded the wielder is. Because HumansAreFlawed, the perceptions of all humans are flawed and because of that, the Sword is dangerous in the hands of anyone because it will [[RealityWarper warp reality]] to fit those perceptions no matter how much CharacterDerailment is required for it. Many of the villains go from being utterly heinous to {{Jerkass Woobie}}s since they used to be people with [[RousseauWasRight genuinely good]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]] (as the books used to claim) and even had a few PetTheDog moments until the sword warped them into [[StrawCharacter disdainful caricatures of themselves.]] For example, the Imperial Order used to be SocialDarwinist in ''Blood of the Fold'' and ''Temple of the Wind'' but because Richard [[NotSoDifferent couldn't handle the cognitive dissonance of someone he perceives as evil having the same ideology as him]] him he [[BelievingTheirOwnLies made up that they have the opposite ideology.]] Emperor Jagang used to be someone who would believe that the strong should rule the weak but after being beaten [[VillainsDyingGrace he would give up control of the Order to whoever beat him.]] The Bankarans are pacifists but they're willing to fight back if threatened but will consider the act to be DirtyBusiness. Richard's allies used to be good people up until his perceptions warped them into being [[KnightTemplar just as brutal, bloodthirsty and destructive as he is.]] The story would follow a HeroWithBadPublicity who is immune to the swords {{RetCon}}s but because of Richard [[SelfServingMemory making up a bunch of atrocities]] the hero is considered to be a horrible person because everyone has been warped into believing that the character crossed the MoralEventHorizon multiple times. Some of the "victims" even remember the hero doing the acts since everyone except the hero is controlled by the Retcons. The hero is forced [[InTheEndYouAreOnYourOwn to oppose Richard alone]] since he/she knows that any allies he/she gains are not immune to being warped into total villains. The story follows the hero stripping away Richard's PlotArmour up until he has a VillainousBreakdown since he believes that EvilWillFail, not realizing that [[WrongGenreSavvy he's the villain.]]
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The book series starts as a typical fantasy book, with the 'ordinary' man rising to a threat/starting a quest. over the course of the series (at least as far as this troper got - sorry, could'nt get past the repeated author tracts in the book with the gosh-darn-evil-pasifists), Richard slowly evolves into what he was cautioned against in the first book - someone so convinced of his own rightousness that anything he does is right because he does it and anyone who disagrees with him is naive, deluded, and/or evil. Richard was starting to rmind me of Darken Rahl just a bit...

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The book series starts as a typical fantasy book, with the 'ordinary' man rising to a threat/starting a quest. over the course of the series (at least as far as this troper got - sorry, could'nt get past the repeated author tracts in the book with the gosh-darn-evil-pasifists), Richard slowly evolves into what he was cautioned against in the first book - someone so convinced of his own rightousness that anything he does is right because he does it and anyone who disagrees with him is naive, deluded, and/or evil. Richard was starting to rmind me of Darken Rahl just a bit...bit...
[[WMG: The destruction of Jocopo was a SelfFulfillingProphecy]]
* One of them was literate, and decided to read a scroll from the Treasure. It said that a certain nearby tribe will wipe out the Jocopo. The rest is obvious.
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Note that this perfectly combines the average reader's perceptions of the description of the Sword with the philosophical doctrine the author eventually preaches through Richard. At its simplest, [[MightMakesRight morality is defined in this doctrine by the effectiveness of the actions a consciousness takes to preserve itself.]] Suicide is innately ''a''moral (outside any conception of morality), and actions which impede personal survival are immoral to the (very) arguable degree that they do so (thus the issues the books have with [[MurderIsTheBestSolution pacifism]], [[DisproportionateRetribution mercy]] and [[ItsAllAboutMe charity]]). So an artifact which causes your decision in a situation to become your ideal option in that situation is by definition the essence of Goodness and Truth, the capitalized virtues. By allowing Richard to begin the series with concepts of the virtues more in line with those of the average reader, readers simply don't notice the discrepancy at first.

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Note that this perfectly combines the average reader's perceptions of the description of the Sword with the philosophical doctrine the author eventually preaches through Richard. At its simplest, [[MightMakesRight [[ItsAllAboutMe morality is defined in this doctrine by the effectiveness of the actions a consciousness takes to preserve itself.]] Suicide is innately ''a''moral (outside any conception of morality), and actions which impede personal survival are immoral to the (very) arguable degree that they do so (thus the issues the books have with [[MurderIsTheBestSolution pacifism]], [[DisproportionateRetribution mercy]] and [[ItsAllAboutMe charity]]). So an artifact which causes your decision in a situation to become your ideal option in that situation is by definition the essence of Goodness and Truth, the capitalized virtues. By allowing Richard to begin the series with concepts of the virtues more in line with those of the average reader, readers simply don't notice the discrepancy at first.

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* This premise could make an awesome HateFic where Richard is a PsychopathicManchild who [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity never moved past the childish mental state of believing]] [[TautologicalTemplar that everyone he likes is completely good and everyone he hates is completely evil.]] The Sword of Truth is an ArtifactOfDoom that's danger-level is proportional to how deluded the wielder is. Because HumansAreFlawed, the perceptions of all humans are flawed and because of that, the Sword is dangerous in the hands of anyone because it will [[RealityWarper warp reality]] to fit those perceptions no matter how much CharacterDerailment is required for it. Many of the villains go from being {{Complete Monster}}s to {{Jerkass Woobie}}s since they used to be people with [[RousseauWasRight genuinely good]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]] (as the books used to claim) and even had a few PetTheDog moments until the sword warped them into [[StrawCharacter disdainful caricatures of themselves.]] For example, the Imperial Order used to be SocialDarwinist in ''Blood of the Fold'' and ''Temple of the Wind'' but because Richard [[NotSoDifferent couldn't handle the cognitive dissonance of someone he perceives as evil having the same ideology as him]] he [[BelievingTheirOwnLies made up that they have the opposite ideology.]] Emperor Jagang used to be someone who would believe that the strong should rule the weak but after being beaten [[VillainsDyingGrace he would give up control of the Order to whoever beat him.]] The Bankarans are pacifists but they're willing to fight back if threatened but will consider the act to be DirtyBusiness. Richard's allies used to be good people up until his perceptions warped them into being [[KnightTemplar just as brutal, bloodthirsty and destructive as he is.]] The story would follow a HeroWithBadPublicity who is immune to the swords {{RetCon}}s but because of Richard [[SelfServingMemory making up a bunch of atrocities]] the hero is considered to be a horrible person because everyone has been warped into believing that the character crossed the MoralEventHorizon multiple times. Some of the "victims" even remember the hero doing the acts since everyone except the hero is controlled by the Retcons. The hero is forced [[InTheEndYouAreOnYourOwn to oppose Richard alone]] since he/she knows that any allies he/she gains are not immune to being warped into {{Complete Monster}}s. The story follows the hero stripping away Richard's PlotArmour up until he has a VillainousBreakdown since he believes that EvilWillFail, not realizing that [[WrongGenreSavvy he's the villain.]]

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* This premise could make an awesome HateFic where Richard is a PsychopathicManchild who [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity never moved past the childish mental state of believing]] [[TautologicalTemplar that everyone he likes is completely good and everyone he hates is completely evil.]] The Sword of Truth is an ArtifactOfDoom that's danger-level is proportional to how deluded the wielder is. Because HumansAreFlawed, the perceptions of all humans are flawed and because of that, the Sword is dangerous in the hands of anyone because it will [[RealityWarper warp reality]] to fit those perceptions no matter how much CharacterDerailment is required for it. Many of the villains go from being {{Complete Monster}}s utterly heinous to {{Jerkass Woobie}}s since they used to be people with [[RousseauWasRight genuinely good]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]] (as the books used to claim) and even had a few PetTheDog moments until the sword warped them into [[StrawCharacter disdainful caricatures of themselves.]] For example, the Imperial Order used to be SocialDarwinist in ''Blood of the Fold'' and ''Temple of the Wind'' but because Richard [[NotSoDifferent couldn't handle the cognitive dissonance of someone he perceives as evil having the same ideology as him]] he [[BelievingTheirOwnLies made up that they have the opposite ideology.]] Emperor Jagang used to be someone who would believe that the strong should rule the weak but after being beaten [[VillainsDyingGrace he would give up control of the Order to whoever beat him.]] The Bankarans are pacifists but they're willing to fight back if threatened but will consider the act to be DirtyBusiness. Richard's allies used to be good people up until his perceptions warped them into being [[KnightTemplar just as brutal, bloodthirsty and destructive as he is.]] The story would follow a HeroWithBadPublicity who is immune to the swords {{RetCon}}s but because of Richard [[SelfServingMemory making up a bunch of atrocities]] the hero is considered to be a horrible person because everyone has been warped into believing that the character crossed the MoralEventHorizon multiple times. Some of the "victims" even remember the hero doing the acts since everyone except the hero is controlled by the Retcons. The hero is forced [[InTheEndYouAreOnYourOwn to oppose Richard alone]] since he/she knows that any allies he/she gains are not immune to being warped into {{Complete Monster}}s.total villains. The story follows the hero stripping away Richard's PlotArmour up until he has a VillainousBreakdown since he believes that EvilWillFail, not realizing that [[WrongGenreSavvy he's the villain.]]
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The book series starts as a typical fantasy book, with the 'ordinary' man rising to a threat/starting a quest. over the course of the series (at least as far as this troper got - sorry, could get past the repeated author tracts in the book with the gosh-darn-evil-pasifists), Richard slowly evolves into what he was cautioned against in the first book - someone so convinced of his own rightousness that anything he does is right because he does it and anyone who disagrees with him is naive, deluded, and/or evil. Richard was starting to rmind me of Darken Rahl just a bit...

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The book series starts as a typical fantasy book, with the 'ordinary' man rising to a threat/starting a quest. over the course of the series (at least as far as this troper got - sorry, could could'nt get past the repeated author tracts in the book with the gosh-darn-evil-pasifists), Richard slowly evolves into what he was cautioned against in the first book - someone so convinced of his own rightousness that anything he does is right because he does it and anyone who disagrees with him is naive, deluded, and/or evil. Richard was starting to rmind me of Darken Rahl just a bit...
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** Perhaps it didn't work because in the back of her mind she realized the FridgeLogic of why Zedd didn't cut it down in the first place since it's so near to him. Or that's due to how inconsistent the series is with how it treats magic.

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** Perhaps it didn't work because in the back of her mind she realized the FridgeLogic of why Zedd didn't cut it down in the first place since it's so near to him. Or that's due to how inconsistent the series is with how it treats magic.magic.
[[WMG: The Sword of Truth series is a cautionary tale/deconstrution of the hero's journey]]
The book series starts as a typical fantasy book, with the 'ordinary' man rising to a threat/starting a quest. over the course of the series (at least as far as this troper got - sorry, could get past the repeated author tracts in the book with the gosh-darn-evil-pasifists), Richard slowly evolves into what he was cautioned against in the first book - someone so convinced of his own rightousness that anything he does is right because he does it and anyone who disagrees with him is naive, deluded, and/or evil. Richard was starting to rmind me of Darken Rahl just a bit...
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** Another element could be that the Samuel doesn't actually destroy Richard, he destroys himself due to not having any impulse control or long-term planning. Richard repeatedly shows himself TheSociopath throughout the series and the reason he acted like a better person in the early books was because he [[BitchInSheepsClothing knew how to hide what a horrible person he is]] but forgot how to do that as the series progressed. Samuel destroys the sword which causes Richard to destroy everything he's created due to several decisions that are [[HollywoodTactics stupid,]] [[MoralEventHorizon heinous]] or both.

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** Another element could be that the Samuel doesn't actually destroy Richard, he destroys himself due to not having any impulse control or long-term planning. Richard repeatedly shows himself TheSociopath throughout the series and the reason he acted like a better person in the early books was because he [[BitchInSheepsClothing knew how to hide what a horrible person he is]] but forgot how to do that as the series progressed. Samuel destroys the sword which causes Richard to destroy everything he's created due to several decisions that are [[HollywoodTactics [[WhatAnIdiot stupid,]] [[MoralEventHorizon heinous]] or both.
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** Another element could be that the Samuel doesn't actually destroy Richard, he destroys himself due to not having any impulse control or long-term planning. Richard repeatedly shows himself TheSociopath throughout the series and the reason he acted like a better person in the early books was because he [[BitchInSheepsClothing knew how to hide what a horrible person he is]] but forgot how to do that as the series progressed. Samuel destroys the sword which causes Richard to destroy everything he's created due to several decisions that are [[HollywoodTactics stupid,]] [[MoralEventHorizon heinous]] or both.
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* This premise could make an awesome HateFic where Richard is a PsychopathicManchild who [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity never moved past the childish mental state of believing]] [[TautologicalTemplar that everyone he likes is completely good and everyone he hates is completely evil.]] The Sword of Truth is an ArtifactOfDoom that's danger-level is proportional to how deluded the wielder is. Because HumansAreFlawed, the perceptions of all humans are flawed and because of that, the Sword is dangerous in the hands of anyone because it will [[RealityWarper warp reality]] to fit those perceptions no matter how much CharacterDerailment is required for it. Many of the villains go from being {{Complete Monster}}s to {{Jerkass Woobie}}s since they used to be people with [[RousseauWasRight genuinely good]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]] (as the books used to claim) and even had a few PetTheDog moments until the sword warped them into [[StrawCharacter disdainful caricatures of themselves.]] For example, the Imperial Order used to be SocialDarwinist in ''Blood of the Fold'' and ''Temple of the Wind'' but because Richard [[NotSoDifferent couldn't handle the cognitive dissonance of someone he perceives as evil having the same ideology as him]] he [[BelievingTheirOwnLies made up that they have the opposite ideology.]] Emperor Jagang used to be someone who would believe that the strong should rule the weak but after being beaten [[VillainsDyingGrace he would give up control of the Order to whoever beat him.]] The Bankarans are pacifists but they're willing to fight back if threatened but will consider the act to be DirtyBusiness. Richard's allies used to be good people up until his perceptions warped them into being [[KnightTemplar just as brutal, bloodthirsty and destructive as he is.]] The story would follow a HeroWithBadPublicity who is immune to the swords {{RetCon}}s but because of Richard [[BelievingTheirOwnLies making up a bunch of atrocities]] the hero is considered to be a horrible person because everyone has been warped into believing that the character crossed the MoralEventHorizon multiple times. Some of the "victims" even remember the hero doing the acts since everyone except the hero is controlled by the Retcons. The hero is forced [[InTheEndYouAreOnYourOwn to oppose Richard alone]] since he/she knows that any allies he/she gains are not immune to being warped into {{Complete Monster}}s. The story follows the hero stripping away Richard's PlotArmour up until he has a VillainousBreakdown since he believes that EvilWillFail, not realizing that [[WrongGenreSavvy he's the villain.]]

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* This premise could make an awesome HateFic where Richard is a PsychopathicManchild who [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity never moved past the childish mental state of believing]] [[TautologicalTemplar that everyone he likes is completely good and everyone he hates is completely evil.]] The Sword of Truth is an ArtifactOfDoom that's danger-level is proportional to how deluded the wielder is. Because HumansAreFlawed, the perceptions of all humans are flawed and because of that, the Sword is dangerous in the hands of anyone because it will [[RealityWarper warp reality]] to fit those perceptions no matter how much CharacterDerailment is required for it. Many of the villains go from being {{Complete Monster}}s to {{Jerkass Woobie}}s since they used to be people with [[RousseauWasRight genuinely good]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]] (as the books used to claim) and even had a few PetTheDog moments until the sword warped them into [[StrawCharacter disdainful caricatures of themselves.]] For example, the Imperial Order used to be SocialDarwinist in ''Blood of the Fold'' and ''Temple of the Wind'' but because Richard [[NotSoDifferent couldn't handle the cognitive dissonance of someone he perceives as evil having the same ideology as him]] he [[BelievingTheirOwnLies made up that they have the opposite ideology.]] Emperor Jagang used to be someone who would believe that the strong should rule the weak but after being beaten [[VillainsDyingGrace he would give up control of the Order to whoever beat him.]] The Bankarans are pacifists but they're willing to fight back if threatened but will consider the act to be DirtyBusiness. Richard's allies used to be good people up until his perceptions warped them into being [[KnightTemplar just as brutal, bloodthirsty and destructive as he is.]] The story would follow a HeroWithBadPublicity who is immune to the swords {{RetCon}}s but because of Richard [[BelievingTheirOwnLies [[SelfServingMemory making up a bunch of atrocities]] the hero is considered to be a horrible person because everyone has been warped into believing that the character crossed the MoralEventHorizon multiple times. Some of the "victims" even remember the hero doing the acts since everyone except the hero is controlled by the Retcons. The hero is forced [[InTheEndYouAreOnYourOwn to oppose Richard alone]] since he/she knows that any allies he/she gains are not immune to being warped into {{Complete Monster}}s. The story follows the hero stripping away Richard's PlotArmour up until he has a VillainousBreakdown since he believes that EvilWillFail, not realizing that [[WrongGenreSavvy he's the villain.]]
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** Objection: in the first book, Zedd wants to make a point about the way the sword's magic works. He temporarily names Kahlan Seeker, tells Kahlan that a tree in his garden is part of an evil spell cast by Darken Rahl and tells her to cut it down with the Sword of Truth. She does so, and suffers a magical backlash because Zedd was lying: the tree was an ordinary tree. Any power the Sword has to make a person's decisions retroactively correct didn't work that time.

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** * Objection: in the first book, Zedd wants to make a point about the way the sword's magic works. He temporarily names Kahlan Seeker, tells Kahlan that a tree in his garden is part of an evil spell cast by Darken Rahl and tells her to cut it down with the Sword of Truth. She does so, and suffers a magical backlash because Zedd was lying: the tree was an ordinary tree. Any power the Sword has to make a person's decisions retroactively correct didn't work that time.
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Note that this perfectly combines the average reader's perceptions of the description of the Sword with the philosophical doctrine the author eventually preaches through Richard. At its simplest, morality is defined in this doctrine by the effectiveness of the actions a consciousness takes to preserve itself. Suicide is innately ''a''moral (outside any conception of morality), and actions which impede personal survival are immoral to the (very) arguable degree that they do so (thus the issues the books have with [[MurderIsTheBestSolution pacifism]], [[DisproportionateRetribution mercy]] and [[ItsAllAboutMe charity]]). So an artifact which causes your decision in a situation to become your ideal option in that situation is by definition the essence of Goodness and Truth, the capitalized virtues. By allowing Richard to begin the series with concepts of the virtues more in line with those of the average reader, readers simply don't notice the discrepancy at first.

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Note that this perfectly combines the average reader's perceptions of the description of the Sword with the philosophical doctrine the author eventually preaches through Richard. At its simplest, [[MightMakesRight morality is defined in this doctrine by the effectiveness of the actions a consciousness takes to preserve itself. itself.]] Suicide is innately ''a''moral (outside any conception of morality), and actions which impede personal survival are immoral to the (very) arguable degree that they do so (thus the issues the books have with [[MurderIsTheBestSolution pacifism]], [[DisproportionateRetribution mercy]] and [[ItsAllAboutMe charity]]). So an artifact which causes your decision in a situation to become your ideal option in that situation is by definition the essence of Goodness and Truth, the capitalized virtues. By allowing Richard to begin the series with concepts of the virtues more in line with those of the average reader, readers simply don't notice the discrepancy at first.
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* Objection: In the first book, Zedd wants to make a point about the way the sword's magic works. He temporarily names Kahlan Seeker, tells Kahlan that a tree in his garden is part of an evil spell cast by Darken Rahl and tells her to cut it down with the Sword of Truth. She does so, and suffers a magical backlash because Zedd was lying: the tree was an ordinary tree. Any power the Sword has to make a person's decisions retroactively correct didn't work that time.

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* ** Objection: In in the first book, Zedd wants to make a point about the way the sword's magic works. He temporarily names Kahlan Seeker, tells Kahlan that a tree in his garden is part of an evil spell cast by Darken Rahl and tells her to cut it down with the Sword of Truth. She does so, and suffers a magical backlash because Zedd was lying: the tree was an ordinary tree. Any power the Sword has to make a person's decisions retroactively correct didn't work that time.
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This first became obvious to me when Richard's brother revealed himself to be a villain. He ''wasn't'' a villain, and he ''wasn't'' the serial killer - until Richard, in a fit of jealousy, wanted him to deserve to die. And so the character who'd been revealed to be said serial killer disappeared from the story (and possibly, existence), and Richard's brother was transformed into the kind of person who would and did commit all of the killer's crimes. By the time ''he'' was holding the Sword, it was too late; he was already rewritten by its influence. In subsequent cases it's equally obvious that whether somebody is a good person is entirely defined by how much Richard happens to like that person.

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This first became obvious to me when Richard's brother revealed himself to be a villain. [[CharacterDerailment He ''wasn't'' a villain, and he ''wasn't'' the serial killer killer]] - until Richard, in a fit of jealousy, wanted him to deserve to die. And so the character who'd been revealed to be said serial killer disappeared from the story (and possibly, existence), and Richard's brother was transformed into the kind of person who would and did commit all of the killer's crimes. By the time ''he'' was holding the Sword, it was too late; he was already rewritten by its influence. In subsequent cases it's equally obvious that whether somebody is a good person is entirely defined by how much Richard happens to like that person.
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* This premise could make an awesome HateFic where Richard is a PsychopathicManchild who [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity never moved past the childish mental state of believing]] [[TautologicalTemplar that everyone he likes is completely good and everyone he hates is completely evil.]] The Sword of Truth is an ArtifactOfDoom that's danger-level is proportional to how deluded the wielder is. Because HumansAreFlawed, the perceptions of all humans are flawed and because of that, the Sword will [[RealityWarper warp reality]] to fit those perceptions no matter how much CharacterDerailment is required for it. Many of the villains go from being {{Complete Monster}}s to {{Jerkass Woobie}}s since they used to be people with [[RousseauWasRight genuinely good]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]] (as the books used to claim) and even had a few PetTheDog moments until the sword warped them into [[StrawCharacter disdainful caricatures of themselves.]] For example, the Imperial Order used to be SocialDarwinist in ''Blood of the Fold'' and ''Temple of the Wind'' but because Richard [[NotSoDifferent couldn't handle the cognitive dissonance of someone he perceives as evil having the same ideology as him]] he [[BelievingTheirOwnLies made up that they have the opposite ideology.]] Emperor Jagang used to be someone who would believe that the strong should rule the weak but after being beaten [[VillainsDyingGrace he would give up control of the Order to whoever beat him.]] The Bankarans are pacifists but they're willing to fight back if threatened but will consider the act to be DirtyBusiness. Richard's allies used to be good people up until his perceptions warped them into being [[KnightTemplar just as brutal, bloodthirsty and destructive as he is.]] The story would follow a HeroWithBadPublicity who is immune to the swords {{RetCon}}s but because of Richard [[BelievingTheirOwnLies making up a bunch of atrocities]] the hero is considered to be a horrible person because everyone has been warped into believing that the character crossed the MoralEventHorizon multiple times. Some of the "victims" even remember the hero doing the acts since everyone except the hero is controlled by the Retcons. The hero is forced [[InTheEndYouAreOnYourOwn to oppose Richard alone]] since he/she knows that any allies he/she gains are not immune to being warped into {{Complete Monster}}s. The story follows the hero stripping away Richard's PlotArmour up until he has a VillainousBreakdown since he believes that EvilWillFail, not realizing that [[WrongGenreSavvy he's the villain.]]

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* This premise could make an awesome HateFic where Richard is a PsychopathicManchild who [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity never moved past the childish mental state of believing]] [[TautologicalTemplar that everyone he likes is completely good and everyone he hates is completely evil.]] The Sword of Truth is an ArtifactOfDoom that's danger-level is proportional to how deluded the wielder is. Because HumansAreFlawed, the perceptions of all humans are flawed and because of that, the Sword is dangerous in the hands of anyone because it will [[RealityWarper warp reality]] to fit those perceptions no matter how much CharacterDerailment is required for it. Many of the villains go from being {{Complete Monster}}s to {{Jerkass Woobie}}s since they used to be people with [[RousseauWasRight genuinely good]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]] (as the books used to claim) and even had a few PetTheDog moments until the sword warped them into [[StrawCharacter disdainful caricatures of themselves.]] For example, the Imperial Order used to be SocialDarwinist in ''Blood of the Fold'' and ''Temple of the Wind'' but because Richard [[NotSoDifferent couldn't handle the cognitive dissonance of someone he perceives as evil having the same ideology as him]] he [[BelievingTheirOwnLies made up that they have the opposite ideology.]] Emperor Jagang used to be someone who would believe that the strong should rule the weak but after being beaten [[VillainsDyingGrace he would give up control of the Order to whoever beat him.]] The Bankarans are pacifists but they're willing to fight back if threatened but will consider the act to be DirtyBusiness. Richard's allies used to be good people up until his perceptions warped them into being [[KnightTemplar just as brutal, bloodthirsty and destructive as he is.]] The story would follow a HeroWithBadPublicity who is immune to the swords {{RetCon}}s but because of Richard [[BelievingTheirOwnLies making up a bunch of atrocities]] the hero is considered to be a horrible person because everyone has been warped into believing that the character crossed the MoralEventHorizon multiple times. Some of the "victims" even remember the hero doing the acts since everyone except the hero is controlled by the Retcons. The hero is forced [[InTheEndYouAreOnYourOwn to oppose Richard alone]] since he/she knows that any allies he/she gains are not immune to being warped into {{Complete Monster}}s. The story follows the hero stripping away Richard's PlotArmour up until he has a VillainousBreakdown since he believes that EvilWillFail, not realizing that [[WrongGenreSavvy he's the villain.]]
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** Perhaps it didn't work because in the back of her mind she realized the FridgeLogic of why Zedd didn't cut it down in the first place since it's so near to him.

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** Perhaps it didn't work because in the back of her mind she realized the FridgeLogic of why Zedd didn't cut it down in the first place since it's so near to him. Or that's due to how inconsistent the series is with how it treats magic.
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** Objection: In the first book, Zedd wants to make a point about the way the sword's magic works. He temporarily names Kahlan Seeker, tells Kahlan that a tree in his garden is part of an evil spell cast by Darken Rahl and tells her to cut it down with the Sword of Truth. She does so, and suffers a magical backlash because Zedd was lying: the tree was an ordinary tree. Any power the Sword has to make a person's decisions retroactively correct didn't work that time.
*** Perhaps it didn't work because in the back of her mind she realized the FridgeLogic of why Zedd didn't cut it down in the first place since it's so near to him.

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** * Objection: In the first book, Zedd wants to make a point about the way the sword's magic works. He temporarily names Kahlan Seeker, tells Kahlan that a tree in his garden is part of an evil spell cast by Darken Rahl and tells her to cut it down with the Sword of Truth. She does so, and suffers a magical backlash because Zedd was lying: the tree was an ordinary tree. Any power the Sword has to make a person's decisions retroactively correct didn't work that time.
*** ** Perhaps it didn't work because in the back of her mind she realized the FridgeLogic of why Zedd didn't cut it down in the first place since it's so near to him.
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* Objection: In the first book, Zedd wants to make a point about the way the sword's magic works. He temporarily names Kahlan Seeker, tells Kahlan that a tree in his garden is part of an evil spell cast by Darken Rahl and tells her to cut it down with the Sword of Truth. She does so, and suffers a magical backlash because Zedd was lying: the tree was an ordinary tree. Any power the Sword has to make a person's decisions retroactively correct didn't work that time.
** Perhaps it didn't work because in the back of her mind she realized the FridgeLogic of why Zedd didn't cut it down in the first place since it's so near to him.

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* ** Objection: In the first book, Zedd wants to make a point about the way the sword's magic works. He temporarily names Kahlan Seeker, tells Kahlan that a tree in his garden is part of an evil spell cast by Darken Rahl and tells her to cut it down with the Sword of Truth. She does so, and suffers a magical backlash because Zedd was lying: the tree was an ordinary tree. Any power the Sword has to make a person's decisions retroactively correct didn't work that time.
** *** Perhaps it didn't work because in the back of her mind she realized the FridgeLogic of why Zedd didn't cut it down in the first place since it's so near to him.

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* This one seemed so obvious to [[DanaO me]] it almost didn't seem worth listing. The Sword does not imbue its holder with righteous rage. It has no power to avoid hurting an undeserving target. Its explicit power is to make its wielder's perceptions of the world be ''correct'', and become correct in the past.
** This first became obvious to me when Richard's brother revealed himself to be a villain. He ''wasn't'' a villain, and he ''wasn't'' the serial killer - until Richard, in a fit of jealousy, wanted him to deserve to die. And so the character who'd been revealed to be said serial killer disappeared from the story (and possibly, existence), and Richard's brother was transformed into the kind of person who would and did commit all of the killer's crimes. By the time ''he'' was holding the Sword, it was too late; he was already rewritten by its influence. In subsequent cases it's equally obvious that whether somebody is a good person is entirely defined by how much Richard happens to like that person.
** Likewise, every thing Richard's done during the story is perfectly justified ''by the fact that he did it'', making it the right thing to have done at the time. As the books are written mostly using the original timeline rather than the eventual one, they simply ''appear'' to be dubious. We have ProtagonistCenteredMorality as the only option.
** Note that this perfectly combines the average reader's perceptions of the description of the Sword with the philosophical doctrine the author eventually preaches through Richard. At its simplest, morality is defined in this doctrine by the effectiveness of the actions a consciousness takes to preserve itself. Suicide is innately ''a''moral (outside any conception of morality), and actions which impede personal survival are immoral to the (very) arguable degree that they do so (thus the issues the books have with [[MurderIsTheBestSolution pacifism]], [[DisproportionateRetribution mercy]] and [[ItsAllAboutMe charity]]). So an artifact which causes your decision in a situation to become your ideal option in that situation is by definition the essence of Goodness and Truth, the capitalized virtues. By allowing Richard to begin the series with concepts of the virtues more in line with those of the average reader, readers simply don't notice the discrepancy at first.
*** This premise could make an awesome HateFic where Richard is a PsychopathicManchild who [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity never moved past the childish mental state of believing]] [[TautologicalTemplar that everyone he likes is completely good and everyone he hates is completely evil.]] The Sword of Truth is an ArtifactOfDoom that's danger-level is proportional to how deluded the wielder is. Because HumansAreFlawed, the perceptions of all humans are flawed and because of that, the Sword will [[RealityWarper warp reality]] to fit those perceptions no matter how much CharacterDerailment is required for it. Many of the villains go from being {{Complete Monster}}s to {{Jerkass Woobie}}s since they used to be people with [[RousseauWasRight genuinely good]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]] (as the books used to claim) and even had a few PetTheDog moments until the sword warped them into [[StrawCharacter disdainful caricatures of themselves.]] For example, the Imperial Order used to be SocialDarwinist in ''Blood of the Fold'' and ''Temple of the Wind'' but because Richard [[NotSoDifferent couldn't handle the cognitive dissonance of someone he perceives as evil having the same ideology as him]] he [[BelievingTheirOwnLies made up that they have the opposite ideology.]] Richard's allies used to be good people up until his perceptions warped them into being [[KnightTemplar just as brutal, bloodthirsty and destructive as he is.]] The story would follow a HeroWithBadPublicity who is immune to the swords {{RetCon}}s but because of Richard [[BelievingTheirOwnLies making up a bunch of atrocities]] the hero is considered to be a horrible person because everyone has been warped into believing that the character crossed the MoralEventHorizon multiple times. Some of the "victims" even remember the hero doing the acts since everyone except the hero is controlled by the Retcons. The hero is forced [[InTheEndYouAreOnYourOwn to oppose Richard alone]] since he/she knows that any allies he/she gains are not immune to being warped into {{Complete Monster}}s. The story follows the hero stripping away Richard's PlotArmour up until he has a VillainousBreakdown since he believes that EvilWillFail, not realizing that [[WrongGenreSavvy he's the villain.]]
*** Make the protagonist "Samuel", the previous Sword of Truth wielder who appears to have gone crazy (because he wasn't a True Seeker properly appointed by a wizard).

* Objection: In the first book, Zedd wants to make a point about the way the sword's magic works. He temporarily names Kahlan Seeker, tells Kahlan that a tree in his garden is part of an evil spell cast by Darken Rahl and tells her to cut it down with the Sword of Truth. She does so, and suffers a magical backlash because Zedd was lying: the tree was an ordinary tree. Any power the Sword has to make a person's decisions retroactively correct didn't work that time.

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* This one seemed so obvious to [[DanaO me]] it almost didn't seem worth listing. The Sword does not imbue its holder with righteous rage. It has no power to avoid hurting an undeserving target. Its explicit power is to make its wielder's perceptions of the world be ''correct'', and become correct in the past.
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past.

This first became obvious to me when Richard's brother revealed himself to be a villain. He ''wasn't'' a villain, and he ''wasn't'' the serial killer - until Richard, in a fit of jealousy, wanted him to deserve to die. And so the character who'd been revealed to be said serial killer disappeared from the story (and possibly, existence), and Richard's brother was transformed into the kind of person who would and did commit all of the killer's crimes. By the time ''he'' was holding the Sword, it was too late; he was already rewritten by its influence. In subsequent cases it's equally obvious that whether somebody is a good person is entirely defined by how much Richard happens to like that person.
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person.

Likewise, every thing Richard's done during the story is perfectly justified ''by the fact that he did it'', making it the right thing to have done at the time. As the books are written mostly using the original timeline rather than the eventual one, they simply ''appear'' to be dubious. We have ProtagonistCenteredMorality as the only option.
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option.

Note that this perfectly combines the average reader's perceptions of the description of the Sword with the philosophical doctrine the author eventually preaches through Richard. At its simplest, morality is defined in this doctrine by the effectiveness of the actions a consciousness takes to preserve itself. Suicide is innately ''a''moral (outside any conception of morality), and actions which impede personal survival are immoral to the (very) arguable degree that they do so (thus the issues the books have with [[MurderIsTheBestSolution pacifism]], [[DisproportionateRetribution mercy]] and [[ItsAllAboutMe charity]]). So an artifact which causes your decision in a situation to become your ideal option in that situation is by definition the essence of Goodness and Truth, the capitalized virtues. By allowing Richard to begin the series with concepts of the virtues more in line with those of the average reader, readers simply don't notice the discrepancy at first.
*** * This premise could make an awesome HateFic where Richard is a PsychopathicManchild who [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity never moved past the childish mental state of believing]] [[TautologicalTemplar that everyone he likes is completely good and everyone he hates is completely evil.]] The Sword of Truth is an ArtifactOfDoom that's danger-level is proportional to how deluded the wielder is. Because HumansAreFlawed, the perceptions of all humans are flawed and because of that, the Sword will [[RealityWarper warp reality]] to fit those perceptions no matter how much CharacterDerailment is required for it. Many of the villains go from being {{Complete Monster}}s to {{Jerkass Woobie}}s since they used to be people with [[RousseauWasRight genuinely good]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]] (as the books used to claim) and even had a few PetTheDog moments until the sword warped them into [[StrawCharacter disdainful caricatures of themselves.]] For example, the Imperial Order used to be SocialDarwinist in ''Blood of the Fold'' and ''Temple of the Wind'' but because Richard [[NotSoDifferent couldn't handle the cognitive dissonance of someone he perceives as evil having the same ideology as him]] he [[BelievingTheirOwnLies made up that they have the opposite ideology.]] Emperor Jagang used to be someone who would believe that the strong should rule the weak but after being beaten [[VillainsDyingGrace he would give up control of the Order to whoever beat him.]] The Bankarans are pacifists but they're willing to fight back if threatened but will consider the act to be DirtyBusiness. Richard's allies used to be good people up until his perceptions warped them into being [[KnightTemplar just as brutal, bloodthirsty and destructive as he is.]] The story would follow a HeroWithBadPublicity who is immune to the swords {{RetCon}}s but because of Richard [[BelievingTheirOwnLies making up a bunch of atrocities]] the hero is considered to be a horrible person because everyone has been warped into believing that the character crossed the MoralEventHorizon multiple times. Some of the "victims" even remember the hero doing the acts since everyone except the hero is controlled by the Retcons. The hero is forced [[InTheEndYouAreOnYourOwn to oppose Richard alone]] since he/she knows that any allies he/she gains are not immune to being warped into {{Complete Monster}}s. The story follows the hero stripping away Richard's PlotArmour up until he has a VillainousBreakdown since he believes that EvilWillFail, not realizing that [[WrongGenreSavvy he's the villain.]]
*** ** Make the protagonist "Samuel", the previous Sword of Truth wielder who appears to have gone crazy (because he wasn't a True Seeker properly appointed by a wizard).

wizard).
*** Instead of going crazy, he had a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment when he realized what the sword really does and fell into HeroicBSOD. He starts opposing Richard after coming out of his HeroicBSOD.
* Objection: In the first book, Zedd wants to make a point about the way the sword's magic works. He temporarily names Kahlan Seeker, tells Kahlan that a tree in his garden is part of an evil spell cast by Darken Rahl and tells her to cut it down with the Sword of Truth. She does so, and suffers a magical backlash because Zedd was lying: the tree was an ordinary tree. Any power the Sword has to make a person's decisions retroactively correct didn't work that time.time.
** Perhaps it didn't work because in the back of her mind she realized the FridgeLogic of why Zedd didn't cut it down in the first place since it's so near to him.
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*** Make the protagonist "Samuel", the previous Sword of Truth wielder who appears to have gone crazy (because he wasn't a True Seeker properly appointed by a wizard).
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*** This premise could make an awesome HateFic where Richard is a PsychopathicManchild who [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity never moved past the childish mental state of believing]] [[TautologicalTemplar that everyone he likes is completely good and everyone he hates is completely evil.]] The Sword of Truth is an ArtifactOfDoom that's danger-level is proportional to how deluded the wielder is. Because HumansAreFlawed, the perceptions of all humans are flawed and because of that, the Sword will [[RealityWarper warp reality]] to fit those perceptions no matter how much CharacterDerailment is required for it. Many of the villains go from being {{Complete Monster}}s to {{Jerkass Woobie}}s since they used to be people with [[RousseauWasRight genuinely good]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]] (as the books used to claim) and even had a few PetTheDog moments until the sword warped them into [[StrawCharacter disdainful caricatures of themselves.]] Richard's allies used to be good people up until his perceptions warped them into being [[KnightTemplar just as brutal, bloodthirsty and destructive as he is.]] The story would follow a HeroWithBadPublicity who is immune to the swords {{RetCon}}s but because of Richard [[BelievingTheirOwnLies making up a bunch of atrocities]] the hero is considered to be a horrible person because everyone has been warped into believing that the character crossed the MoralEventHorizon multiple times. Some of the "victims" even remember the hero doing the acts since everyone except the hero is controlled by the Retcons. The hero is forced [[InTheEndYouAreOnYourOwn to oppose Richard alone]] since he/she knows that any allies he/she gains are not immune to being warped into {{Complete Monster}}s. The story follows the hero stripping away Richard's PlotArmour up until he has a VillainousBreakdown since he believes that EvilWillFail, not realizing that [[WrongGenreSavvy he's the villain.]]

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*** This premise could make an awesome HateFic where Richard is a PsychopathicManchild who [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity never moved past the childish mental state of believing]] [[TautologicalTemplar that everyone he likes is completely good and everyone he hates is completely evil.]] The Sword of Truth is an ArtifactOfDoom that's danger-level is proportional to how deluded the wielder is. Because HumansAreFlawed, the perceptions of all humans are flawed and because of that, the Sword will [[RealityWarper warp reality]] to fit those perceptions no matter how much CharacterDerailment is required for it. Many of the villains go from being {{Complete Monster}}s to {{Jerkass Woobie}}s since they used to be people with [[RousseauWasRight genuinely good]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]] (as the books used to claim) and even had a few PetTheDog moments until the sword warped them into [[StrawCharacter disdainful caricatures of themselves.]] For example, the Imperial Order used to be SocialDarwinist in ''Blood of the Fold'' and ''Temple of the Wind'' but because Richard [[NotSoDifferent couldn't handle the cognitive dissonance of someone he perceives as evil having the same ideology as him]] he [[BelievingTheirOwnLies made up that they have the opposite ideology.]] Richard's allies used to be good people up until his perceptions warped them into being [[KnightTemplar just as brutal, bloodthirsty and destructive as he is.]] The story would follow a HeroWithBadPublicity who is immune to the swords {{RetCon}}s but because of Richard [[BelievingTheirOwnLies making up a bunch of atrocities]] the hero is considered to be a horrible person because everyone has been warped into believing that the character crossed the MoralEventHorizon multiple times. Some of the "victims" even remember the hero doing the acts since everyone except the hero is controlled by the Retcons. The hero is forced [[InTheEndYouAreOnYourOwn to oppose Richard alone]] since he/she knows that any allies he/she gains are not immune to being warped into {{Complete Monster}}s. The story follows the hero stripping away Richard's PlotArmour up until he has a VillainousBreakdown since he believes that EvilWillFail, not realizing that [[WrongGenreSavvy he's the villain.]]
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*** This premise could make an awesome HateFic where Richard is a PsychopathicManchild who [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity never moved past the childish mental state of believing]] [[TautologicalTemplar that everyone he likes is completely good and everyone he hates is completely evil.]] The Sword of Truth is an ArtifactOfDoom that's danger-level is proportional to how deluded the wielder is. Because HumansAreFlawed, the perceptions of all humans are flawed and because of that, the Sword will [[RealityWarper warp reality]] to fit those perceptions no matter how much CharacterDerailment is required for it. Many of the villains go from being {{Complete Monster}}s to {{Jerkass Woobie}}s since they used to be people with [[RousseauWasRight genuinely good]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]] (as the books used to claim) and even had a few PetTheDog moments until the sword warped them into [[StrawCharacter disdainful caricatures of themselves.]] Richard's allies used to be good people up until his perceptions warped them into being [[KnightTemplar just as brutal, bloodthirsty and destructive as he is.]] The story would follow a HeroWithBadPublicity who is immune to the swords {{RetCon}}s but because of Richard [[BelievingTheirOwnLies making up a bunch of atrocities]] the hero is considered to be a horrible person because everyone has been warped into believing that the character crossed the MoralEventHorizon multiple times. Some of the "victims" even remember the hero doing the acts since everyone except the hero is controlled by the RetCons. The hero is forced [[InTheEndYouAreOnYourOwn to oppose Richard alone]] since he/she knows that any allies he/she gains are not immune to being warped into {{Complete Monster}}s. The story follows the hero stripping away Richard's PlotArmour up until he has a VillainousBreakdown since he believes that EvilWillFail, not realizing that [[WrongGenreSavvy he's the villain.]]

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*** This premise could make an awesome HateFic where Richard is a PsychopathicManchild who [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity never moved past the childish mental state of believing]] [[TautologicalTemplar that everyone he likes is completely good and everyone he hates is completely evil.]] The Sword of Truth is an ArtifactOfDoom that's danger-level is proportional to how deluded the wielder is. Because HumansAreFlawed, the perceptions of all humans are flawed and because of that, the Sword will [[RealityWarper warp reality]] to fit those perceptions no matter how much CharacterDerailment is required for it. Many of the villains go from being {{Complete Monster}}s to {{Jerkass Woobie}}s since they used to be people with [[RousseauWasRight genuinely good]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]] (as the books used to claim) and even had a few PetTheDog moments until the sword warped them into [[StrawCharacter disdainful caricatures of themselves.]] Richard's allies used to be good people up until his perceptions warped them into being [[KnightTemplar just as brutal, bloodthirsty and destructive as he is.]] The story would follow a HeroWithBadPublicity who is immune to the swords {{RetCon}}s but because of Richard [[BelievingTheirOwnLies making up a bunch of atrocities]] the hero is considered to be a horrible person because everyone has been warped into believing that the character crossed the MoralEventHorizon multiple times. Some of the "victims" even remember the hero doing the acts since everyone except the hero is controlled by the RetCons.Retcons. The hero is forced [[InTheEndYouAreOnYourOwn to oppose Richard alone]] since he/she knows that any allies he/she gains are not immune to being warped into {{Complete Monster}}s. The story follows the hero stripping away Richard's PlotArmour up until he has a VillainousBreakdown since he believes that EvilWillFail, not realizing that [[WrongGenreSavvy he's the villain.]]
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*** This premise could make an awesome HateFic where Richard is a PsychopathicManchild who [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity never moved past the childish mental state of believing]] [[TautologicalTemplar that everyone he likes is completely good and everyone he hates is completely evil.]] The Sword of Truth is an ArtifactOfDoom that's danger-level is proportional to how deluded the wielder is. Because HumansAreFlawed, the perceptions of all humans are flawed and because of that, the Sword will [[RealityWarper warp reality]] to fit those perceptions no matter how much CharacterDerailment is required for it. Many of the villains go from being {{Complete Monster}}s to {{Jerkass Woobie}}s since they used to be people with [[RousseauWasRight genuinely good]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]] (as the books used to claim) and even had a few PetTheDog moments until the sword warped them into [[StrawCharacter disdainful caricatures of themselves.]]

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*** This premise could make an awesome HateFic where Richard is a PsychopathicManchild who [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity never moved past the childish mental state of believing]] [[TautologicalTemplar that everyone he likes is completely good and everyone he hates is completely evil.]] The Sword of Truth is an ArtifactOfDoom that's danger-level is proportional to how deluded the wielder is. Because HumansAreFlawed, the perceptions of all humans are flawed and because of that, the Sword will [[RealityWarper warp reality]] to fit those perceptions no matter how much CharacterDerailment is required for it. Many of the villains go from being {{Complete Monster}}s to {{Jerkass Woobie}}s since they used to be people with [[RousseauWasRight genuinely good]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]] (as the books used to claim) and even had a few PetTheDog moments until the sword warped them into [[StrawCharacter disdainful caricatures of themselves.]] Richard's allies used to be good people up until his perceptions warped them into being [[KnightTemplar just as brutal, bloodthirsty and destructive as he is.]] The story would follow a HeroWithBadPublicity who is immune to the swords {{RetCon}}s but because of Richard [[BelievingTheirOwnLies making up a bunch of atrocities]] the hero is considered to be a horrible person because everyone has been warped into believing that the character crossed the MoralEventHorizon multiple times. Some of the "victims" even remember the hero doing the acts since everyone except the hero is controlled by the RetCons. The hero is forced [[InTheEndYouAreOnYourOwn to oppose Richard alone]] since he/she knows that any allies he/she gains are not immune to being warped into {{Complete Monster}}s. The story follows the hero stripping away Richard's PlotArmour up until he has a VillainousBreakdown since he believes that EvilWillFail, not realizing that [[WrongGenreSavvy he's the villain.]]
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** Note that this perfectly combines the average reader's perceptions of the description of the Sword with the philosophical doctrine the author eventually preaches through Richard. At its simplest, morality is defined in this doctrine by the effectiveness of the actions a consciousness takes to preserve itself. Suicide is innately ''a''moral (outside any conception of morality), and actions which impede personal survival are immoral to the (very) arguable degree that they do so (thus the issues the books have with pacifism, mercy and charity). So an artifact which causes your decision in a situation to become your ideal option in that situation is by definition the essence of Goodness and Truth, the capitalized virtues. By allowing Richard to begin the series with concepts of the virtues more in line with those of the average reader, readers simply don't notice the discrepancy at first.

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** Note that this perfectly combines the average reader's perceptions of the description of the Sword with the philosophical doctrine the author eventually preaches through Richard. At its simplest, morality is defined in this doctrine by the effectiveness of the actions a consciousness takes to preserve itself. Suicide is innately ''a''moral (outside any conception of morality), and actions which impede personal survival are immoral to the (very) arguable degree that they do so (thus the issues the books have with pacifism, mercy [[MurderIsTheBestSolution pacifism]], [[DisproportionateRetribution mercy]] and charity).[[ItsAllAboutMe charity]]). So an artifact which causes your decision in a situation to become your ideal option in that situation is by definition the essence of Goodness and Truth, the capitalized virtues. By allowing Richard to begin the series with concepts of the virtues more in line with those of the average reader, readers simply don't notice the discrepancy at first.
*** This premise could make an awesome HateFic where Richard is a PsychopathicManchild who [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity never moved past the childish mental state of believing]] [[TautologicalTemplar that everyone he likes is completely good and everyone he hates is completely evil.]] The Sword of Truth is an ArtifactOfDoom that's danger-level is proportional to how deluded the wielder is. Because HumansAreFlawed, the perceptions of all humans are flawed and because of that, the Sword will [[RealityWarper warp reality]] to fit those perceptions no matter how much CharacterDerailment is required for it. Many of the villains go from being {{Complete Monster}}s to {{Jerkass Woobie}}s since they used to be people with [[RousseauWasRight genuinely good]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]] (as the books used to claim) and even had a few PetTheDog moments until the sword warped them into [[StrawCharacter disdainful caricatures of themselves.]]
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* Objection: In the first book, Zedd wants to make a point about the way the sword's magic works. He temporarily names Kahlan Seeker, tells Kahlan that a tree in his garden is part of an evil spell cast by Darken Rahl and tells her to cut it down with the Sword of Truth. She does so, and suffers a magical backlash because Zedd was lying: the tree was an ordinary tree. Any power the Sword has to make a person's decisions retroactively correct didn't work that time.
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[[WMG: The Sword of Truth is actually the story of how a simple woodsman (Richard) can turn into a despot (Darken Rahl)]]
* Richard starts out with a value system close to that of the reader. By the time of the eighth book (the one with the gosh-darn-evil pacifists), any one that doesn't agree with him is deluded at best and needs to be lectured repeatedly with almost the same lecture. I can't speak to the later books, because I almost threw my iPod out the car window the 2nd or 3rd time Richard started lecturing in the audiobook. I stopped the series after that for the health of my ipod and those around it.
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* Richard starts out with a value system close to that of the reader. By the time of the eighth book (the one with the gosh-darn-evil pacifists), any one that doesn't agree with him is deluded at best and needs to be lectured repeatedly with almost the same lecture. I can't speak to the later books, because I almost threw my iPod out the car window the 2nd or 3rd time Richard started lecturing in the audiobook.

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* Richard starts out with a value system close to that of the reader. By the time of the eighth book (the one with the gosh-darn-evil pacifists), any one that doesn't agree with him is deluded at best and needs to be lectured repeatedly with almost the same lecture. I can't speak to the later books, because I almost threw my iPod out the car window the 2nd or 3rd time Richard started lecturing in the audiobook. I stopped the series after that for the health of my ipod and those around it.
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** Note that this perfectly combines the average reader's perceptions of the description of the Sword with the philosophical doctrine the author eventually preaches through Richard. At its simplest, morality is defined in this doctrine by the effectiveness of the actions a consciousness takes to preserve itself. Suicide is innately ''a''moral (outside any conception of morality), and actions which impede personal survival are immoral to the (very) arguable degree that they do so (thus the issues the books have with pacifism, mercy and charity). So an artifact which causes your decision in a situation to become your ideal option in that situation is by definition the essence of Goodness and Truth, the capitalized virtues. By allowing Richard to begin the series with concepts of the virtues more in line with those of the average reader, readers simply don't notice the discrepancy at first.

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** Note that this perfectly combines the average reader's perceptions of the description of the Sword with the philosophical doctrine the author eventually preaches through Richard. At its simplest, morality is defined in this doctrine by the effectiveness of the actions a consciousness takes to preserve itself. Suicide is innately ''a''moral (outside any conception of morality), and actions which impede personal survival are immoral to the (very) arguable degree that they do so (thus the issues the books have with pacifism, mercy and charity). So an artifact which causes your decision in a situation to become your ideal option in that situation is by definition the essence of Goodness and Truth, the capitalized virtues. By allowing Richard to begin the series with concepts of the virtues more in line with those of the average reader, readers simply don't notice the discrepancy at first.first.
[[WMG: The Sword of Truth is actually the story of how a simple woodsman (Richard) can turn into a despot (Darken Rahl)]]
* Richard starts out with a value system close to that of the reader. By the time of the eighth book (the one with the gosh-darn-evil pacifists), any one that doesn't agree with him is deluded at best and needs to be lectured repeatedly with almost the same lecture. I can't speak to the later books, because I almost threw my iPod out the car window the 2nd or 3rd time Richard started lecturing in the audiobook.
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* The Keeper is never fully described, much like most Lovecraftian entities. He also, like Nyarlathotep, wants to spread chaos throughout the universe.

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* The Keeper is never fully described, much like most Lovecraftian entities. He also, like Nyarlathotep, wants to spread chaos throughout the universe.universe.
[[WMG: The Sword of Truth [[RetCon RetCons]] history, and does nothing else]]
* This one seemed so obvious to [[DanaO me]] it almost didn't seem worth listing. The Sword does not imbue its holder with righteous rage. It has no power to avoid hurting an undeserving target. Its explicit power is to make its wielder's perceptions of the world be ''correct'', and become correct in the past.
** This first became obvious to me when Richard's brother revealed himself to be a villain. He ''wasn't'' a villain, and he ''wasn't'' the serial killer - until Richard, in a fit of jealousy, wanted him to deserve to die. And so the character who'd been revealed to be said serial killer disappeared from the story (and possibly, existence), and Richard's brother was transformed into the kind of person who would and did commit all of the killer's crimes. By the time ''he'' was holding the Sword, it was too late; he was already rewritten by its influence. In subsequent cases it's equally obvious that whether somebody is a good person is entirely defined by how much Richard happens to like that person.
** Likewise, every thing Richard's done during the story is perfectly justified ''by the fact that he did it'', making it the right thing to have done at the time. As the books are written mostly using the original timeline rather than the eventual one, they simply ''appear'' to be dubious. We have ProtagonistCenteredMorality as the only option.
** Note that this perfectly combines the average reader's perceptions of the description of the Sword with the philosophical doctrine the author eventually preaches through Richard. At its simplest, morality is defined in this doctrine by the effectiveness of the actions a consciousness takes to preserve itself. Suicide is innately ''a''moral (outside any conception of morality), and actions which impede personal survival are immoral to the (very) arguable degree that they do so (thus the issues the books have with pacifism, mercy and charity). So an artifact which causes your decision in a situation to become your ideal option in that situation is by definition the essence of Goodness and Truth, the capitalized virtues. By allowing Richard to begin the series with concepts of the virtues more in line with those of the average reader, readers simply don't notice the discrepancy at first.

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