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Trope name is Sci Fi Writers Have No Sense Of Scale, not any of its subpages. Discussion here.


It is a standing problem of SciFiWritersHave/NoSenseOfDistance that a supernova blast wave, canonically limited to the speed of light in ''Star Trek'', could somehow surprise and overtake a civilization with FTL travel and communications. But there may be an explanation. A lot people gush over the artificial quantum singularity drives employed by the Romulans, and think that they are way cooler than Federation matter[=/=]antimatter drives. But then why hasn't the Federation adopted them in the main timeline? They have had the chance to scan them quite closely (notably in the TNG episode "Timescape"). The answer ties into the discovery that warp travel places a stress on the fabric of space-time (TNG: "Force of Nature"). The Romulans are dragging singularities around at warp speed in their ships, which ''has'' to be even more disruptive than the warp drives used by most other races. The star that went supernova might have been along a route regularly traversed by Romulan ships. Their singularity drives might have caused a subspace disruption that triggered the surprise collapse of the star and the subsequent supernova. Fleeing the scene at FTL speeds, the mass of the singularities in subspace might have created a kind of spacial wave not unlike the soliton wave from the TNG episode "New Ground", only much larger and spreading in all directions. The energy and mass released by the supernova might have been pulled along in the wake of the Romulan ships, at least some of which would have fled towards Romulus itself. By the time they realized their mistake, the fast-moving wave had caught up with them.

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It is a standing problem of SciFiWritersHave/NoSenseOfDistance SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale that a supernova blast wave, canonically limited to the speed of light in ''Star Trek'', could somehow surprise and overtake a civilization with FTL travel and communications. But there may be an explanation. A lot people gush over the artificial quantum singularity drives employed by the Romulans, and think that they are way cooler than Federation matter[=/=]antimatter drives. But then why hasn't the Federation adopted them in the main timeline? They have had the chance to scan them quite closely (notably in the TNG episode "Timescape"). The answer ties into the discovery that warp travel places a stress on the fabric of space-time (TNG: "Force of Nature"). The Romulans are dragging singularities around at warp speed in their ships, which ''has'' to be even more disruptive than the warp drives used by most other races. The star that went supernova might have been along a route regularly traversed by Romulan ships. Their singularity drives might have caused a subspace disruption that triggered the surprise collapse of the star and the subsequent supernova. Fleeing the scene at FTL speeds, the mass of the singularities in subspace might have created a kind of spacial wave not unlike the soliton wave from the TNG episode "New Ground", only much larger and spreading in all directions. The energy and mass released by the supernova might have been pulled along in the wake of the Romulan ships, at least some of which would have fled towards Romulus itself. By the time they realized their mistake, the fast-moving wave had caught up with them.
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** Using a combination of warp field and black hole for TimeTravel is canon since the Original Series, it's called a temporal slingshot maneuver. In ST4 they even use the sun to do it.

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** Using a combination of warp field and black hole for TimeTravel is canon since the Original Series, it's called a temporal slingshot maneuver. In ST4 ''Film/StarTrekIVTheVoyageHome'' they even use the sun to do it.
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[[WMG: Captain Kirk is named after [[Series/{{Degrassi}} James Tiberius Yorke]].]]

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[[WMG: Captain Kirk is named after [[Series/{{Degrassi}} [[Series/{{Degrassi|TheNextGeneration}} James Tiberius Yorke]].]]
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* The augmentations to Borg drones are more extensive and instead of lumbering slowly towards their targets, they can charge at alarming speeds to deliver their attacks. The Borg drone types may be more diverse, taking inspiration for sources like The Strogg ''VideoGame/QuakeIV'' to amplify the NightmareFuel.

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* The augmentations to Borg drones are more extensive and instead of lumbering slowly towards their targets, they can charge at alarming speeds to deliver their attacks. The Borg drone types may be more diverse, taking inspiration for sources like The Strogg in ''VideoGame/QuakeIV'' to amplify the NightmareFuel.
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A possible way to reverse their BadassDecay and win back long-time fans of the ''Star Trek'' series, the Borg are also alterted by the incursion into the new timeline/universe and will be gunning for everyone in their path. It will be a major task to deal with them.

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This entry also applies to ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness'' and ''Film/StarTrekBeyond'' A possible way to reverse their BadassDecay and win back long-time fans of the ''Star Trek'' series, the Borg are also alterted by the Nero's original incursion into the new timeline/universe and will be gunning for everyone in their path.path in the future. It will be a major task to deal with them.
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[[WMG: The Kelvin Universe Borg become even more dangerous and capable than in the Prime Universe.]]
A possible way to reverse their BadassDecay and win back long-time fans of the ''Star Trek'' series, the Borg are also alterted by the incursion into the new timeline/universe and will be gunning for everyone in their path. It will be a major task to deal with them.
* The augmentations to Borg drones are more extensive and instead of lumbering slowly towards their targets, they can charge at alarming speeds to deliver their attacks. The Borg drone types may be more diverse, taking inspiration for sources like The Strogg ''VideoGame/QuakeIV'' to amplify the NightmareFuel.
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* According to Tuvok's biography on Wiki/MemoryAlpha, he was born on a Vulcan colony, so I think we should put him in the "very likely to be alive" category as well. In the original timeline, he was a baby during the original series's missions. Besides, it would be interesting to see a full-blooded Vulcan like Tuvok working with Spock, esp. since in the original timeline, Teen!Tuvok fell in love with a Terrelian girl, and was quite the rebel himself.

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* According to Tuvok's biography on Wiki/MemoryAlpha, Website/MemoryAlpha, he was born on a Vulcan colony, so I think we should put him in the "very likely to be alive" category as well. In the original timeline, he was a baby during the original series's missions. Besides, it would be interesting to see a full-blooded Vulcan like Tuvok working with Spock, esp. since in the original timeline, Teen!Tuvok fell in love with a Terrelian girl, and was quite the rebel himself.
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Think about it. [[IdiotHero Kirk]] [[ToBeAMaster wants to be a starship captain]]. Encouraged by Captain Pike, he grapples with Spock, his ''more intelligent than him '''[[Franchise/{{Dragonball}} black]]-[[Franchise/{{Naruto}} haired]]''' '' [[TheRival rival]] on matters of both tactics and the love between them and [[ShortTank Uhura]]. They have enormous heapings of HoYay, particularly FoeYay between them. Kirk [[TheWorfEffect is beaten up all the time]], but [[{{Determinator}} gets through it through sheer grit]]. He's [[Franchise/{{Naruto}} blond]]. He [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight scorns Starfleet regulations]] when he needs to because he [[{{Determinator}} doesn't believe in no-win scenarios]]. Friends with [[SourSupporter Bones]], friends with [[FireForgedFriends Sulu]], friends with Scotty, friends with Old Spock - he's a MagneticHero. He even tries a DefeatMeansFriendship on Nero in the end, come ''on''!

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Think about it. [[IdiotHero Kirk]] [[ToBeAMaster wants to be a starship captain]]. Encouraged by Captain Pike, he grapples with Spock, his ''more intelligent than him '''[[Franchise/{{Dragonball}} black]]-[[Franchise/{{Naruto}} haired]]''' '' [[TheRival rival]] on matters of both tactics and the love between them and [[ShortTank Uhura]]. They have enormous heapings of HoYay, particularly FoeYay FoeRomanceSubtext between them. Kirk [[TheWorfEffect is beaten up all the time]], but [[{{Determinator}} gets through it through sheer grit]]. He's [[Franchise/{{Naruto}} blond]]. He [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight scorns Starfleet regulations]] when he needs to because he [[{{Determinator}} doesn't believe in no-win scenarios]]. Friends with [[SourSupporter Bones]], friends with [[FireForgedFriends Sulu]], friends with Scotty, friends with Old Spock - he's a MagneticHero. He even tries a DefeatMeansFriendship on Nero in the end, come ''on''!
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* Hey, that's just what I was thinking! Except I probably would've found an excuse to put a certain StarWars line in.
** "[[StarWars As if millions of voices all cried out at once, and were suddenly silenced.]]"

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* Hey, that's just what I was thinking! Except I probably would've found an excuse to put a certain StarWars Franchise/StarWars line in.
** "[[StarWars "[[Franchise/StarWars As if millions of voices all cried out at once, and were suddenly silenced.]]"
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Many {{Transgender}} women, pre-transition, "compensate" for their transness by pushing themselves into highly masculine careers (police, military, trucking are common) in (vain) hopes of feeling like a "real" man, and push themselves to excel in those careers. Also, macho BS like Kirk's can be fairly common as a compensatory/deflection mechanism.

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Many {{Transgender}} Trans women, pre-transition, "compensate" for their transness by pushing themselves into highly masculine careers (police, military, trucking are common) in (vain) hopes of feeling like a "real" man, and push themselves to excel in those careers. Also, macho BS like Kirk's can be fairly common as a compensatory/deflection mechanism.
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[[WMG: Said universe runs on narrativium, as seen in ''Discworld/TheScienceOfDiscworld''.]]

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[[WMG: Said universe runs on narrativium, as seen in ''Discworld/TheScienceOfDiscworld''.''Literature/TheScienceOfDiscworld''.]]
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[[WMG: Spock Prime is working for the same beings as [[Recap/StarTrekS2E26AssignmentEarth Gary Seven]]]]
He wasn't "sucked in" to the black hole. Instead, Gary Seven approached him, explained the potential damage that Nero could now do to history, and offered him a chance to counteract that damage.
Making more use of time travel, Spock and Seven then conspired to get the classic crew of the Enterprise together, using manipulations so subtle that an outside observer would mistake it for ContrivedCoincidence.
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** Spock's information could be used to explain why some of these threats never happen in the new timeline. Spock reveals just enough information to neutralize the threat, and the Enterprise gets to have a completely different adventure at the point in time the original Enterprise handled the threat. TakeThat [[Website/ThatGuyWithTheGlasses obsessive fanbase.]]

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** Spock's information could be used to explain why some of these threats never happen in the new timeline. Spock reveals just enough information to neutralize the threat, and the Enterprise gets to have a completely different adventure at the point in time the original Enterprise handled the threat. TakeThat [[Website/ThatGuyWithTheGlasses obsessive fanbase.]]
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Think about it. [[IdiotHero Kirk]] [[ToBeAMaster wants to be a starship captain]]. Encouraged by Captain Pike, he grapples with Spock, his ''more intelligent than him '''[[Franchise/{{Dragonball}} black]]-[[{{Naruto}} haired]]''' '' [[TheRival rival]] on matters of both tactics and the love between them and [[ShortTank Uhura]]. They have enormous heapings of HoYay, particularly FoeYay between them. Kirk [[TheWorfEffect is beaten up all the time]], but [[{{Determinator}} gets through it through sheer grit]]. He's [[{{Naruto}} blond]]. He [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight scorns Starfleet regulations]] when he needs to because he [[{{Determinator}} doesn't believe in no-win scenarios]]. Friends with [[SourSupporter Bones]], friends with [[FireForgedFriends Sulu]], friends with Scotty, friends with Old Spock - he's a MagneticHero. He even tries a DefeatMeansFriendship on Nero in the end, come ''on''!

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Think about it. [[IdiotHero Kirk]] [[ToBeAMaster wants to be a starship captain]]. Encouraged by Captain Pike, he grapples with Spock, his ''more intelligent than him '''[[Franchise/{{Dragonball}} black]]-[[{{Naruto}} black]]-[[Franchise/{{Naruto}} haired]]''' '' [[TheRival rival]] on matters of both tactics and the love between them and [[ShortTank Uhura]]. They have enormous heapings of HoYay, particularly FoeYay between them. Kirk [[TheWorfEffect is beaten up all the time]], but [[{{Determinator}} gets through it through sheer grit]]. He's [[{{Naruto}} [[Franchise/{{Naruto}} blond]]. He [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight scorns Starfleet regulations]] when he needs to because he [[{{Determinator}} doesn't believe in no-win scenarios]]. Friends with [[SourSupporter Bones]], friends with [[FireForgedFriends Sulu]], friends with Scotty, friends with Old Spock - he's a MagneticHero. He even tries a DefeatMeansFriendship on Nero in the end, come ''on''!
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Think about it. [[IdiotHero Kirk]] [[ToBeAMaster wants to be a starship captain]]. Encouraged by Captain Pike, he grapples with Spock, his ''more intelligent than him '''[[{{Dragonball}} black]]-[[{{Naruto}} haired]]''' '' [[TheRival rival]] on matters of both tactics and the love between them and [[ShortTank Uhura]]. They have enormous heapings of HoYay, particularly FoeYay between them. Kirk [[TheWorfEffect is beaten up all the time]], but [[{{Determinator}} gets through it through sheer grit]]. He's [[{{Naruto}} blond]]. He [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight scorns Starfleet regulations]] when he needs to because he [[{{Determinator}} doesn't believe in no-win scenarios]]. Friends with [[SourSupporter Bones]], friends with [[FireForgedFriends Sulu]], friends with Scotty, friends with Old Spock - he's a MagneticHero. He even tries a DefeatMeansFriendship on Nero in the end, come ''on''!

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Think about it. [[IdiotHero Kirk]] [[ToBeAMaster wants to be a starship captain]]. Encouraged by Captain Pike, he grapples with Spock, his ''more intelligent than him '''[[{{Dragonball}} '''[[Franchise/{{Dragonball}} black]]-[[{{Naruto}} haired]]''' '' [[TheRival rival]] on matters of both tactics and the love between them and [[ShortTank Uhura]]. They have enormous heapings of HoYay, particularly FoeYay between them. Kirk [[TheWorfEffect is beaten up all the time]], but [[{{Determinator}} gets through it through sheer grit]]. He's [[{{Naruto}} blond]]. He [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight scorns Starfleet regulations]] when he needs to because he [[{{Determinator}} doesn't believe in no-win scenarios]]. Friends with [[SourSupporter Bones]], friends with [[FireForgedFriends Sulu]], friends with Scotty, friends with Old Spock - he's a MagneticHero. He even tries a DefeatMeansFriendship on Nero in the end, come ''on''!
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** As a further corollary: any possible outcome will result in [[FanDumb butthurt fans]].

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[[WMG: The Q Continuum was responsible for the events of ''[[Film/StarTrek Star Trek XI]]''.]]

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[[WMG: The Q Continuum was responsible for the events of ''[[Film/StarTrek Star ''Star Trek XI]]''.XI''.]]

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[[WMG: Kirk is a trans woman]]
Many {{Transsexual}} women, pre-transition, "compensate" for their transness by pushing themselves into highly masculine careers (police, military, trucking are common) in (vain) hopes of feeling like a "real" man, and push themselves to excel in those careers. Also, macho BS like Kirk's can be fairly common as a compensatory/deflection mechanism.

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[[WMG: Kirk is a closeted trans woman]]
Many {{Transsexual}} {{Transgender}} women, pre-transition, "compensate" for their transness by pushing themselves into highly masculine careers (police, military, trucking are common) in (vain) hopes of feeling like a "real" man, and push themselves to excel in those careers. Also, macho BS like Kirk's can be fairly common as a compensatory/deflection mechanism.
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** Tasha Yar: JenniferLawrence
** And, as Q: JamesFranco

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** And, as Q: JamesFranco
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Why? [[RuleOfFunny Because it would funny]], seeing them bicker like siblings(like they do in ''DonnieDarko'') over a peace treaty, and I can totally see them playing those respective races.

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Why? [[RuleOfFunny Because it would funny]], seeing them bicker like siblings(like they do in ''DonnieDarko'') ''Film/DonnieDarko'') over a peace treaty, and I can totally see them playing those respective races.
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[[WMG: In the next movie, Pike will mediate a treaty negotiation between the Romulan and Vulcan ambassadors, played respectively by {{Maggie|Gyllenhaal}} and Jake Gyllenhaal.]]

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[[WMG: In the next movie, Pike will mediate a treaty negotiation between the Romulan and Vulcan ambassadors, played respectively by {{Maggie|Gyllenhaal}} Creator/{{Maggie|Gyllenhaal}} and Jake Gyllenhaal.]]
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In fact, I'm going to go full nerd here and propose he's currently with the same agency that Gary Seven hints at working for in ''Assignment: Earth''. Whether this attempt to stop Nero was unsuccessful or they had planned the events of the film out that way, with the intention of diverting the timeline for some secret purpose, I leave up to future [=WMGs=].

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In fact, I'm going to go full nerd here and propose he's currently with the same agency that Agent Daniels works for, and/or even the one Gary Seven hints at working for in ''Assignment: Earth''. Whether this attempt to stop Nero was unsuccessful or they had planned the events of the film out that way, with the intention of diverting the timeline for some secret purpose, I leave up to future [=WMGs=].
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In fact, I'm going to go full nerd here and propose he's currently with the same agency that Gary Seven hints at working for in ''Assignment: Earth''. Whether this attempt to stop Nero was unsuccessful or they had planned the events of the film out that way, with the intention of diverting the timeline for some secret purpose, I leave up to future WMGs.

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In fact, I'm going to go full nerd here and propose he's currently with the same agency that Gary Seven hints at working for in ''Assignment: Earth''. Whether this attempt to stop Nero was unsuccessful or they had planned the events of the film out that way, with the intention of diverting the timeline for some secret purpose, I leave up to future WMGs.[=WMGs=].
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Stay with me. We know the dominant theory is that the weird glowing time traveler who ran proverbial guns to the Suliban was planned (by writers) from the start to be a Romulan from the future who was interfering temporally. Presumably a faction of Romulans, pissed at the destruction of their planet, violated the Temporal Accords in an attempt to get retro-preemptive revenge on the Federation, Starfleet, and Vulcan. Their attempts throughout ''Enterprise'' constitute their earlier attempts but they never managed to fully divert the timeline until Nero arrived on ''Kelvin'' day. Perhaps Nero was being guided by that glowing figure- his commander from the future?- the whole time, choosing Federation targets to ensure their weakness at key points in Romulan-Federation conflicts, increasing chances of Romulan victory, and expanding their territory to better ensure their survival after Romulus' eventual destruction.

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Stay with me. We know the dominant theory is that the weird glowing time traveler who ran proverbial guns to the Suliban was planned (by writers) from the start to be a Romulan from the future who was interfering temporally. Presumably a faction of Romulans, pissed at the destruction of their planet, violated the Temporal Accords in an attempt to get retro-preemptive revenge on the Federation, Starfleet, and Vulcan. Their attempts activities throughout ''Enterprise'' constitute were their earlier attempts but they never managed to fully divert the timeline until Nero arrived on ''Kelvin'' day. Perhaps Nero was being guided by that glowing figure- his commander from the future?- throughout the whole time, film, choosing Federation targets to ensure their weakness at key points in Romulan-Federation conflicts, increasing chances of Romulan victory, and expanding their territory to better ensure their survival after Romulus' eventual destruction.

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Stay with me. We know the dominant theory is that the weird glowing time traveler who ran guns to the Suliban was planned (by writers) from the start to be a Romulan from the future who was interfering temporally. Presumably a faction of Romulans, pissed at the destruction of their planet, violated the Temporal Accords in an attempt to get retro-preemptive revenge on the Federation, Starfleet, and Vulcan. Their attempts throughout ''Enterprise'' constitute their earlier attempts but they never managed to fully divert the timeline until Nero arrived on ''Kelvin'' day. Perhaps Nero was being guided by that glowing figure- his commander from the future?- the whole time, choosing Federation targets to ensure their weakness at key points in Romulan-Federation conflicts, increasing chances of Romulan victory, and expanding their territory to better ensure their survival after Romulus' eventual destruction.

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Stay with me. We know the dominant theory is that the weird glowing time traveler who ran proverbial guns to the Suliban was planned (by writers) from the start to be a Romulan from the future who was interfering temporally. Presumably a faction of Romulans, pissed at the destruction of their planet, violated the Temporal Accords in an attempt to get retro-preemptive revenge on the Federation, Starfleet, and Vulcan. Their attempts throughout ''Enterprise'' constitute their earlier attempts but they never managed to fully divert the timeline until Nero arrived on ''Kelvin'' day. Perhaps Nero was being guided by that glowing figure- his commander from the future?- the whole time, choosing Federation targets to ensure their weakness at key points in Romulan-Federation conflicts, increasing chances of Romulan victory, and expanding their territory to better ensure their survival after Romulus' eventual destruction.

[[WMG: Extending the extension of the above, Spock Prime's interference was arranged by an agency pledged to uphold the Temporal Accords by defeating Nero- probably with Spock Prime's knowledge, given his understanding of time travel]]
In fact, I'm going to go full nerd here and propose he's currently with the same agency that Gary Seven hints at working for in ''Assignment: Earth''. Whether this attempt to stop Nero was unsuccessful or they had planned the events of the film out that way, with the intention of diverting the timeline for some secret purpose, I leave up to future WMGs.

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