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** [[FridgeBrilliance ...what if you don't count Disney sequels as canon?]]canon?]] And although this troper hates to defend that atrocity of a sequel, even if Shang ''was'' gay, it only takes you to believe in the "Mulan is transgendered" theory for the relationship to work.
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*** [[KungFuPanda Someone already has. Or close to it, anyway.]]
*** [[KungFuPanda Someone already has. Or close to it, anyway.]]
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**** I can confirm that, and the 'both' part. Though I usually sing it to myself with all the pronouns flipped.
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**This smells of a good fic...
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**Someone please write this!
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[[WMG:If Shan-Yu had discovered Mulan all by herself in the mountains he would have taken her prison then when he found out her true gender then made her his concubine.]]
It would be a form of humliation for Mulan for she would be under the man who was invading her country.Plus a small victory for Shan-Yu having the one who destroyed his entire army would have given him some twisted glee.Plus I have this idea instead of heading to the imperial city to finish the job they would go back to their northern lands to recouperate with Mulan as a captive.I can imagine that Mulan and Shan-Yu would develop some sort of stolkhome syndrome for each other to gueninely coming to care for one another. I can even imagine that Mulan would have children with him as well.This could all be a good basis for a fanfiction but some one has to make sure that Shan-yu is still a warlord at heart.
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It would be a form of humliation for Mulan for she would be under the man who was invading her country.Plus a small victory for Shan-Yu having the one who destroyed his entire army would have given him some twisted glee.Plus I have this idea instead of heading to the imperial city to finish the job they would go back to their northern lands to recouperate with Mulan as a captive.I can imagine that Mulan and Shan-Yu would develop some sort of stolkhome syndrome for each other to gueninely coming to care for one another. I can even imagine that Mulan would have children with him as well.This could all be a good basis for a fanfiction but some one has to make sure that Shan-yu is still a warlord at heart.
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[[WMG:If Shan-Yu had discovered Mulan all by herself in the mountains he would have taken her prison then when he found out her true gender then made her his concubine.]]
It would be a form of humliation for Mulan for she would be under the man who was invading her country.Plus a small victory for Shan-Yu having the one who destroyed his entire army would have given him some twisted glee.Plus I have this idea instead of heading to the imperial city to finish the job they would go back to their northern lands to recouperate with Mulan as a captive.I can imagine that Mulan and Shan-Yu would develop some sort of stolkhome syndrome for each other to gueninely coming to care for one another. I can even imagine that Mulan would have children with him as well.This could all be a good basis for a fanfiction but some one has to make sure that Shan-yu is still a warlord at heart.
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** Trans people have existed all throughout time. It's not that hard to believe one could exist in ancient China.
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[[WMG: If Mulan hadn't been discovered as a man, she would have ended up married to Shang anyway]]
Related to the above. She might've gone home, passed her matchmaker test fairly this time with her newly earned dicipline and is betrothed to Shang. But Shang begins to think his new bride looks awfully familiar...
[[WMG: If Mulan hadn't been discovered as a man, she would have ended up married to Shang anyway]]
Related to the above. She might've gone home, passed her matchmaker test fairly this time with her newly earned dicipline and is betrothed to Shang. But Shang begins to think his new bride looks awfully familiar...
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*** Yeah, isn't that part of the point of the scene? She's kind of excited/jittery with anticipation about going before the Matchmaker, but she doesn't seem at all happy dressed that way. Which, FTM or not, is why all the pretty Mulan merchandise with her all dolled up is a huge WallBanger for this troper.
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*** Yeah, isn't that part of the point of the scene? She's kind of excited/jittery with anticipation about going before the Matchmaker, but she doesn't seem at all happy dressed that way. Which, FTM or not, is why all the pretty Mulan merchandise with her all dolled up is a huge WallBanger wall banger for this troper.
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think about it.when he is first mentioned,what's the situation?Chi fu exclaimed no one can get passed the great wall,and when his name is mentioned,its as if that alone explains how.add to that the emporer suddenly deciding shit just got real,and you have the seeds of my theory.now,add in Shan Yu's obssession with proving himself,not to the chinese people,nt to the huns.he wants the Emporer to acknowledge him.he calls him old man. regular chinese soldiers recognize him on site.clearely the Emporer's bastard wanted to be ackowledged,and when he was denied,he through a hissy fit in the form of blatant treatury and joined the huns to help them wage war on his father,ala Mordred.
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*** This troper knows plenty of other trans people of the same age who like the song for that reason. Or find it absolutely effing heartbreaking. Usually both.
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*** This troper knows plenty of other trans people of the same age who like the song for that reason. Or find it absolutely effing heartbreaking. Usually both.both.
***Always thought that's what the song was about, still hard to watch that part without feeling sad.
***Always thought that's what the song was about, still hard to watch that part without feeling sad.
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[[WMG: San Yu is the Emporer's Bastard.]]
think about it.when he is first mentioned,what's the situation?Chi fu exclaimed no one can get passed the great wall,and when his name is mentioned,its as if that alone explains how.add to that the emporer suddenly deciding shit just got real,and you have the seeds of my theory.now,add in Shan Yu's obssession with proving himself,not to the chinese people,nt to the huns.he wants the Emporer to acknowledge him.he calls him old man. regular chinese soldiers recognize him on site.clearely the Emporer's bastard wanted to be ackowledged,and when he was denied,he through a hissy fit in the form of blatant treatury and joined the huns to help them wage war on his father,ala Mordred.
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"Ping" just saved his life, there had to be something going on besides "honor" that would make him so pissy about Ping turning out to be a girl. They had a few good moments before then, and it's not unreasonable to speculate that he began to respect Ping for "his" accomplishments during training (not to mention [[AttractiveBentGender Ping's supposedly good looks]]). So Ping turning out to be a girl pretty much [[IncompatibleOrientation broke his heart]], and he was [[LoveMakesYouDumb unable to think rationally]] for some time after that, explaining his [[LawfulStupid strange behavior]] [[CassandraTruth afterwards]]. At the end he finally got over his heartbreak over "Ping" and accepted Mulan's true identity. And the film does not explicitly show them hooking up. Instead, [[ShortTank Mulan]] and Shang become TheStraightWillAndGrace.
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"Ping" just saved his life, there had to be something going on besides "honor" that would make him so pissy about Ping turning out to be a girl. They had a few good moments before then, and it's not unreasonable to speculate that he began to respect Ping for "his" accomplishments during training (not to mention [[AttractiveBentGender Ping's supposedly good looks]]). So Ping turning out to be a girl pretty much [[IncompatibleOrientation broke his heart]], and he was [[LoveMakesYouDumb unable to think rationally]] for some time after that, explaining his [[LawfulStupid strange behavior]] [[CassandraTruth afterwards]]. At the end he finally got over his heartbreak over "Ping" and accepted Mulan's true identity. And the film does not explicitly show them hooking up. Instead, [[ShortTank Mulan]] and Shang become TheStraightWillAndGrace.PlatonicLifePartners.
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** [[RunningGag OBJECT]][[LampshadeHanging ION]], you canned your own argument because them being TheStraightWillAndGrace PlatonicLifePartners means that Shang is straight or bi, not to mention they bear a fire forged bond (besides, after what she did, what straight dude wouldn't want her?)
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*** Yeah, isn't that part of the point of the scene? She's kind of excited/jittery with anticipation about going before the Matchmaker, but she doesn't seem at all happy dressed that way. Which, FTM or not, is why all the pretty Mulan merchandise with her all dolled up is a huge WallBanger for this troper.
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*** This troper knows plenty of other trans people of the same age who like the song for that reason. Or find it absolutely effing heartbreaking. Usually both.
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** Except Mulan takes place long, long before Marco Polo was even born. Mulan probably takes place during the Han Dynasty (that was when the Xiongnu/Huns were a major steppe power and threat to China, and that was one of the periods during which Chinese governments devoted a lot of time to Great Wall building (Shan Yu mentions that the Great Wall was recently built, indeed during the reign of the same emperor)). Marco Polo visited China during the Yuan Dynasty, when the primary steppe power was the Mongols (who conquered China to establish the Yuan dynasty).
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** That would centainly put a different twist on "When Will My Reflection Show Who I Am Inside?"
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Right before she decides to go to the army, Mulan is seen sitting right at the foot of the statue of the Great Stone Dragon in the rain. It noticed her plight and plan, and being the greatest and most powerful of the guardians, decided to help her without anyone needing to awaken it first. So, the Great Stone Dragon followed Mulan in spirit form(or more fantastically, it somehow imbued her with its essence), which is why Mulan never died or was discovered before she had earned enough good favor with Shang to dodge execution, and why she was able to escape Shan Yu twice. This also explains why the statue of it crumbled so easily - with the guardian itself gone, that statue was just a useless hunk of rock waiting to fall.
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Right before she decides to go to the army, Mulan is seen sitting right at the foot of the statue of the Great Stone Dragon in the rain. It noticed her plight and plan, and being the greatest and most powerful of the guardians, decided to help her without anyone needing to awaken it first. So, the Great Stone Dragon followed Mulan in spirit form(or form (or more fantastically, it somehow imbued her with its essence), which is why Mulan never died or was discovered before she had earned enough good favor with Shang to dodge execution, and why she was able to escape Shan Yu twice. This also explains why the statue of it crumbled so easily - with the guardian itself gone, that statue was just a useless hunk of rock waiting to fall.
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*Someboby write that fic, now!
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*** [[DisContinuity What sequel?]]sequel.
*** [[DisContinuity What sequel?]]
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[[WMG: Mulan and Shang will name their first son "Ping".]]
No guess why.
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** She didn't seem to like it much either.
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*** Trope names =/= trope meanings.
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** Transgendered people can be transvestites. (That is, someone who doesn't identify with their physical sex can still find it pleasurable to dress as it.)
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[[WMG: The message Mushu gave the emperor's advisor was actually true.]]
Given the initial strategies of General Li and that they ended up near the pass to Beijing, and that Cri-kee's initial draft for Mushu, it's possible the letter was true, just not sent by the general. The letter might have even gone like this: "My son, we're guarding the pass, but our scouts report that the hun army is vastly more powerful than us. We need you to bring whatever men you can to the pass with cannons, so that we will have the capacity to defeat them, and come immediately." So though the letter was false, the words were in a sense true, and through the lie, Mushu helped save China. (His accident with the rocket later though would be better to not have happened.)
Given the initial strategies of General Li and that they ended up near the pass to Beijing, and that Cri-kee's initial draft for Mushu, it's possible the letter was true, just not sent by the general. The letter might have even gone like this: "My son, we're guarding the pass, but our scouts report that the hun army is vastly more powerful than us. We need you to bring whatever men you can to the pass with cannons, so that we will have the capacity to defeat them, and come immediately." So though the letter was false, the words were in a sense true, and through the lie, Mushu helped save China. (His accident with the rocket later though would be better to not have happened.)
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** [[RunningGag OBJECTION]], you canned your own argument because them being TheStraightWillAndGrace means that Shang is straight or bi, not to mention they bear a fire forged bond (besides, after what she did, what straight dude wouldn't want her?)
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[[WMG: If things with the Matchmaker had gone well at the beginning of the film, Mulan would have ended up married to Shang anyway]]
Although granted, Shang would probably have been dead due to the Huns, but we'll ignore that for a moment. Mulan's father is obviously a war hero, probably one of pretty great renown considering General Li and Chi-Fu both knew who he was. ("''The'' Fa Zhou?" "I didn't know Fa Zhou had a son!") For such a great hero, who only has a single daughter, the matchmaker could only consider a family of somewhat equal standing. Who better than the son of a current general?
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** This makes so much sense. Also think about the fact that this is one of the few Disney animated films in which The Heroine does not share a kiss with The Guy/Hero, not to mention that Shang is the only major protagonist that doesn't sing any lines in "A Girl Worth Fighting For".
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* That's incredibly heartwarming. You made this troper enjoy the movie even more now.
