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* No, no no. It obviously was right before, since there weren't any damaged buildings when they were spotted at the time.
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Given the initial strategies of General Li and that they ended up near the pass to Beijing, and that Cri-Kee's initial draft for Mushu, it's possible the letter was true, just not sent by the general. The letter might have even gone like this: "My son, we're guarding the pass, but our scouts report that the Hun army is vastly more powerful than us. We need you to bring whatever men you can to the pass with cannons, so that we will have the capacity to defeat them, and come immediately." So though the letter was false, the words were in a sense true, and through the lie, Mushu helped save China. (His accident with the rocket later though would be better to not have happened.)
* Why not? Even if Shang's small platoon had made it through the pass undiscovered, sooner or later the Hun army would have come down, meeting them at a place other than a choke point where the army could be destroyed by a single rocket. There would have been one small skirmish, not even worth mentioning in the history books, then on to the capital.
* Why not? Even if Shang's small platoon had made it through the pass undiscovered, sooner or later the Hun army would have come down, meeting them at a place other than a choke point where the army could be destroyed by a single rocket. There would have been one small skirmish, not even worth mentioning in the history books, then on to the capital.
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Given the initial strategies of General Li and that they ended up near the pass to Beijing, and that Cri-Kee's initial draft for Mushu, it's possible the letter was true, just not sent by the general. The letter might have even gone like this: "My son, we're guarding the pass, but our scouts report that the Hun army is vastly more powerful than us. We need you to bring whatever men you can to the pass with cannons, so that we will have the capacity to defeat them, and come immediately." So though the letter was false, the words were in a sense true, and through the lie, Mushu helped save China. (His accident with
* Also, the rocketlater though would be better to not have happened.)
* Why not?launch was intentional. Even if Shang's small platoon had made it through the pass undiscovered, sooner or later the Hun army would have come down, meeting them at a place other than a choke point where the army could be destroyed by a single rocket. There would have been one small skirmish, not even worth mentioning in the history books, then on to the capital.
* Also, the rocket
* Why not?
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Think about it. When he is first mentioned, what's the situation? Chi-Fu exclaimed, "No one can get past the Great Wall!", and when his name is mentioned, it's as if that alone explains how. Add to that the emperor suddenly deciding shit just got real, and you have the seeds of the theory. Now, add in Shan Yu's obsession with proving himself, not to the Chinese people, not to the Huns... he wants the Emperor to acknowledge him. He calls him old man. Regular Chinese soldiers recognize him on sight. Clearly the Emperor's bastard wanted to be acknowledged, and when he was denied, he threw a hissy fit in the form of blatant treason and joined the Huns to help them wage war on his father, a la Mordred.
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Think about it. When he is first mentioned, what's the situation? Chi-Fu exclaimed, "No one can get past the Great Wall!", and when his name is mentioned, it's as if that alone explains how. Add to that the emperor suddenly deciding shit just got real, and you have the seeds of the theory. Now, add in Shan Yu's obsession with proving himself, not to the Chinese people, not to the Huns... he wants the Emperor to acknowledge him. He calls him old man."old man". Regular Chinese soldiers recognize him on sight. Clearly the Emperor's bastard wanted to be acknowledged, and when he was denied, he threw a hissy fit in the form of blatant treason and joined the Huns to help them wage war on his father, a la Mordred.
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This might not make sense at first, especially with the tragic nature of his death and that Shang clearly adores him, but for one, there were ''many'' deaths contributing to the overall tragedy of the village, and for two, Shang's perspective is going to be naturally distorted by the fact that General Li is his father. He clearly thinks that his troops can handle the Huns by themselves (a sentiment that is brutally proven wrong and that everyone else disagrees with beforehand), showing a bizarre lack of competence for a supposedly high ranking general, his plan is simplistic and even if Chi Fu or Shang did raise concerns, it's clear from General Li's next action that he has all the power in the scenario and way too much stubbornness to listen to either's advice. As it stands, it's DamnedByFaintPraise by Chi Fu and blindly seconded by Shang. General Li then puts Shang in command, and any worthy traits Shang has is undermined by General Li stating that Shang has "impressive military lineage" as part of his response to the serious question of whether or not Shang's positive traits outweigh his lack of experience. Given General Li's limited screentime before he dies defending an unarmed village from invaders, it's likely if he were ever found out after death, nobody would want to bring it up lest they upset a grieving Shang.
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This might not make sense at first, especially with the tragic nature of his death and that Shang clearly adores him, but for one, there were ''many'' deaths contributing to the overall tragedy of the village, and for two, Shang's perspective is going to be naturally distorted by the fact that General Li is his father. He clearly thinks that his troops can handle the Huns by themselves (a sentiment that is brutally proven wrong and that everyone else disagrees with beforehand), showing a bizarre lack of competence for a supposedly high ranking general, his plan is simplistic and even if Chi Fu or Shang did raise concerns, it's clear from General Li's next action that he has all the power in the scenario and way too much stubbornness to listen to either's advice. As it stands, it's DamnedByFaintPraise by Chi Fu and blindly seconded by Shang. General Li then puts Shang in command, and any worthy traits Shang has is undermined by General Li stating that Shang has "impressive military lineage" as part of his response to the serious question of whether or not Shang's positive traits outweigh his lack of experience. Given General Li's limited screentime before he dies defending an unarmed village from invaders, it's likely if he were ever found out after death, [[NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead nobody would want to bring it up lest they upset a grieving Shang.]]
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[[TheBadGuyWins He fooled Mulan. He fooled Shang. He fooled Chi Fu. He fooled all of China]]...[[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou and he even fooled the viewer too.]] But let's not forget the one person who ''made'' all these horrifically oppressive laws against women - wanna guess? He is ''the'' emperor of China. He makes the rules. He calls the shots. He is intelligent, he is aware of everything that goes on, and everything [[DiscOneFinalBoss Chi Fu did]] was on ''his'' orders. Why else would Chi Fu be so certain he's won when the emperor is chewing out Mulan? Because he's spent every day working with the emperor (and was probably brainwashed by the emperor's propaganda, given their age gap) and the emperor has never given him any reason to believe he would not keep suppressing people - doubt that? And why does Chi Fu immediately change his demeanor when the emperor gives his approval? Because the ''emperor'' is in charge, he could and probably would have any dissenter's head on a pike if he so wanted. Mulan was a loose canon, so he was nice to her just long enough so she would leave and then he could go and return the status quo.
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[[TheBadGuyWins He fooled Mulan. He fooled Shang. He fooled Chi Fu. He fooled all of China]]...his kingdom]]...[[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou and he even fooled the viewer too.]] But let's not forget the one person who ''made'' all these horrifically oppressive laws against women - wanna guess? He is ''the'' emperor of China. He makes the rules. He calls the shots. He is intelligent, he is aware of everything that goes on, and everything [[DiscOneFinalBoss Chi Fu did]] was on ''his'' orders. Why else would Chi Fu be so certain he's won when the emperor is chewing out Mulan? Because he's spent every day working with the emperor (and was probably brainwashed by the emperor's propaganda, given their age gap) and the emperor has never given him any reason to believe he would not keep suppressing people - doubt that? And why does Chi Fu immediately change his demeanor when the emperor gives his approval? Because the ''emperor'' is in charge, he could and probably would have any dissenter's head on a pike if he so wanted. Mulan was a loose canon, so he was nice to her just long enough so she would leave and then he could go and return the status quo.
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This might not make sense at first, especially with the tragic nature of his death and that Shang clearly adores him, but for one, there were ''many'' deaths contributing to the overall tragedy of the village, and for two, Shang's perspective is going to be naturally distorted by the fact that General Li is his father. He clearly thinks that his troops can handle the Huns by themselves (a sentiment that is brutally proven wrong and that everyone else disagrees with beforehand), showing a bizarre lack of competence for a supposedly high ranking general, his plan is simplistic and even if Chi Fu or Shang did raise concerns, it's clear from General Li's next action that he has all the power in the scenario and way too much stubbornness to listen to either's advice. As it stands, it's DamnedByFaintPraise by Chi Fu and blindly seconded by Shang. General Li then puts Shang in command, and any worthy traits Shang has is undermined by General Li stating that Shang has "impressive military lineage" as part of his response to the serious question of whether or not Shang's positive traits outweigh his lack of experience. Given General Li's limited screentime before he dies defending an unarmed village from invaders, it's likely if he were ever found out after death, nobody would want to bring it up lest they upset a grieving Shang.
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This might not make sense at first, especially with the tragic nature of his death and that Shang clearly adores him, but for one, there were ''many'' deaths contributing to the overall tragedy of the village, and for two, Shang's perspective is going to be naturally distorted by the fact that General Li is his father. He clearly thinks that his troops can handle the Huns by themselves (a sentiment that is brutally proven wrong and that everyone else disagrees with beforehand), showing a bizarre lack of competence for a supposedly high ranking general, his plan is simplistic and even if Chi Fu or Shang did raise concerns, it's clear from General Li's next action that he has all the power in the scenario and way too much stubbornness to listen to either's advice. As it stands, it's DamnedByFaintPraise by Chi Fu and blindly seconded by Shang. General Li then puts Shang in command, and any worthy traits Shang has is undermined by General Li stating that Shang has "impressive military lineage" as part of his response to the serious question of whether or not Shang's positive traits outweigh his lack of experience. Given General Li's limited screentime before he dies defending an unarmed village from invaders, it's likely if he were ever found out after death, nobody would want to bring it up lest they upset a grieving Shang.Shang.
[[WMG: The Emperor is not a good person.]]
[[TheBadGuyWins He fooled Mulan. He fooled Shang. He fooled Chi Fu. He fooled all of China]]...[[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou and he even fooled the viewer too.]] But let's not forget the one person who ''made'' all these horrifically oppressive laws against women - wanna guess? He is ''the'' emperor of China. He makes the rules. He calls the shots. He is intelligent, he is aware of everything that goes on, and everything [[DiscOneFinalBoss Chi Fu did]] was on ''his'' orders. Why else would Chi Fu be so certain he's won when the emperor is chewing out Mulan? Because he's spent every day working with the emperor (and was probably brainwashed by the emperor's propaganda, given their age gap) and the emperor has never given him any reason to believe he would not keep suppressing people - doubt that? And why does Chi Fu immediately change his demeanor when the emperor gives his approval? Because the ''emperor'' is in charge, he could and probably would have any dissenter's head on a pike if he so wanted. Mulan was a loose canon, so he was nice to her just long enough so she would leave and then he could go and return the status quo.
[[WMG: The Emperor is not a good person.]]
[[TheBadGuyWins He fooled Mulan. He fooled Shang. He fooled Chi Fu. He fooled all of China]]...[[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou and he even fooled the viewer too.]] But let's not forget the one person who ''made'' all these horrifically oppressive laws against women - wanna guess? He is ''the'' emperor of China. He makes the rules. He calls the shots. He is intelligent, he is aware of everything that goes on, and everything [[DiscOneFinalBoss Chi Fu did]] was on ''his'' orders. Why else would Chi Fu be so certain he's won when the emperor is chewing out Mulan? Because he's spent every day working with the emperor (and was probably brainwashed by the emperor's propaganda, given their age gap) and the emperor has never given him any reason to believe he would not keep suppressing people - doubt that? And why does Chi Fu immediately change his demeanor when the emperor gives his approval? Because the ''emperor'' is in charge, he could and probably would have any dissenter's head on a pike if he so wanted. Mulan was a loose canon, so he was nice to her just long enough so she would leave and then he could go and return the status quo.
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The viewer knows Mushu is good at disguises. The viewer also knows that Mushu is unorthodox. Perhaps he believed that Mulan's avalanche would be a perfect place to come clean. Thus he caused Mulan to white out with his suggestive powers ([[DiabolusExMachina really, the injury doesn't hinder her at all before this very second, and there's no actual tear in her clothes!]]) Mushu's horror could be from his plan not going as he expected.
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The viewer knows Mushu is good at disguises. The viewer also knows that Mushu is unorthodox. Perhaps he believed that Mulan's avalanche would be a perfect place to come clean. Thus he caused Mulan to white out with his suggestive powers ([[DiabolusExMachina really, the injury doesn't hinder her at all before this very second, and there's no actual tear in her clothes!]]) Mushu's horror could be from his plan not going as he expected.expected.
[[WMG: General Li is corrupt]]
This might not make sense at first, especially with the tragic nature of his death and that Shang clearly adores him, but for one, there were ''many'' deaths contributing to the overall tragedy of the village, and for two, Shang's perspective is going to be naturally distorted by the fact that General Li is his father. He clearly thinks that his troops can handle the Huns by themselves (a sentiment that is brutally proven wrong and that everyone else disagrees with beforehand), showing a bizarre lack of competence for a supposedly high ranking general, his plan is simplistic and even if Chi Fu or Shang did raise concerns, it's clear from General Li's next action that he has all the power in the scenario and way too much stubbornness to listen to either's advice. As it stands, it's DamnedByFaintPraise by Chi Fu and blindly seconded by Shang. General Li then puts Shang in command, and any worthy traits Shang has is undermined by General Li stating that Shang has "impressive military lineage" as part of his response to the serious question of whether or not Shang's positive traits outweigh his lack of experience. Given General Li's limited screentime before he dies defending an unarmed village from invaders, it's likely if he were ever found out after death, nobody would want to bring it up lest they upset a grieving Shang.
[[WMG: General Li is corrupt]]
This might not make sense at first, especially with the tragic nature of his death and that Shang clearly adores him, but for one, there were ''many'' deaths contributing to the overall tragedy of the village, and for two, Shang's perspective is going to be naturally distorted by the fact that General Li is his father. He clearly thinks that his troops can handle the Huns by themselves (a sentiment that is brutally proven wrong and that everyone else disagrees with beforehand), showing a bizarre lack of competence for a supposedly high ranking general, his plan is simplistic and even if Chi Fu or Shang did raise concerns, it's clear from General Li's next action that he has all the power in the scenario and way too much stubbornness to listen to either's advice. As it stands, it's DamnedByFaintPraise by Chi Fu and blindly seconded by Shang. General Li then puts Shang in command, and any worthy traits Shang has is undermined by General Li stating that Shang has "impressive military lineage" as part of his response to the serious question of whether or not Shang's positive traits outweigh his lack of experience. Given General Li's limited screentime before he dies defending an unarmed village from invaders, it's likely if he were ever found out after death, nobody would want to bring it up lest they upset a grieving Shang.
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[[WMG: San Yu is the Emperor's Bastard.]]
Think about it. When he is first mentioned, what's the situation? Chi-Fu exclaimed, "No one can get past The Great Wall!", and when his name is mentioned, it's as if that alone explains how. Add to that the emperor suddenly deciding shit just got real, and you have the seeds of the theory. Now, add in Shan Yu's obsession with proving himself, not to the Chinese people, not to the Huns... he wants the Emperor to acknowledge him. He calls him old man. Regular Chinese soldiers recognize him on sight. Clearly the Emperor's bastard wanted to be acknowledged, and when he was denied, he threw a hissy fit in the form of blatant treason and joined the Huns to help them wage war on his father, a la Mordred.
Think about it. When he is first mentioned, what's the situation? Chi-Fu exclaimed, "No one can get past The Great Wall!", and when his name is mentioned, it's as if that alone explains how. Add to that the emperor suddenly deciding shit just got real, and you have the seeds of the theory. Now, add in Shan Yu's obsession with proving himself, not to the Chinese people, not to the Huns... he wants the Emperor to acknowledge him. He calls him old man. Regular Chinese soldiers recognize him on sight. Clearly the Emperor's bastard wanted to be acknowledged, and when he was denied, he threw a hissy fit in the form of blatant treason and joined the Huns to help them wage war on his father, a la Mordred.
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[[WMG: San Shan Yu is the Emperor's Bastard.]]
Think about it. When he is first mentioned, what's the situation? Chi-Fu exclaimed, "No one can get pastThe the Great Wall!", and when his name is mentioned, it's as if that alone explains how. Add to that the emperor suddenly deciding shit just got real, and you have the seeds of the theory. Now, add in Shan Yu's obsession with proving himself, not to the Chinese people, not to the Huns... he wants the Emperor to acknowledge him. He calls him old man. Regular Chinese soldiers recognize him on sight. Clearly the Emperor's bastard wanted to be acknowledged, and when he was denied, he threw a hissy fit in the form of blatant treason and joined the Huns to help them wage war on his father, a la Mordred.
Think about it. When he is first mentioned, what's the situation? Chi-Fu exclaimed, "No one can get past
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Mushu sometimes uses modern talk and slang, plus he's voiced by a [[Creator/EddieMurphy Black Actor]], as opposed to the rest of the voice cast who are of Asian descent. Mushu was acually a human from modern times and he was transformed into a small dragon in ancient China.
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Mushu sometimes uses modern talk and slang, plus he's voiced by a [[Creator/EddieMurphy Black Actor]], black actor]], as opposed to the rest of the voice cast who are of Asian descent. Mushu was acually actually a human from modern times and he was transformed into a small dragon in ancient China.
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* Mushu mentioning America of all thingsl. Even though the movie takes place when America doesn't Exist.
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Of course the above makes more sense, but he does have some very ''interesting'' mannerisms, and even if his dislike of women mostly stems from sexism he just seems to have this pure "girls are ''gross''!" attitude, not a "Girls are gross but kind of pretty" Even if he sings a line in "A girl worth fighting for", he's the only singer who doesn't say what about girls he finds ''attractive'', because he ''doesn't'' find girls attractive, period. He joins in the song purely to socialize (and to one up the soldiers, which, of course, backfires)
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Of course the above makes more sense, but he does have some very ''interesting'' mannerisms, and even if his dislike of women mostly stems from sexism he just seems to have this pure "girls are ''gross''!" attitude, not a "Girls are gross but kind of pretty" pretty". Even if he sings a line in "A girl worth fighting for", he's the only singer who doesn't say what about girls he finds ''attractive'', because he ''doesn't'' find girls attractive, period. He joins in the song purely to socialize (and to one up the soldiers, which, of course, backfires)backfires)
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The idea f bathing with other men seems to make him uncomfortable, and he gets very defensive when his masculinity is challenged. He also acts especially hostile towards women because he doesn't want to be compared to one. He may not even identify as male, but choose to present as one as opposed to being seen as a second-class citizen...much someone seen as "defective".
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The idea f of bathing with other men seems to make him uncomfortable, and he gets very defensive when his masculinity is challenged. He also acts especially hostile towards women because he doesn't want to be compared to one. He may not even identify as male, but choose to present as one as opposed to being seen as a second-class citizen... much someone seen as "defective". "defective".
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He is the physical manifestation of Mulan's "dark side". Mushu is all of the things that Mulan does that she regrets (wolf whistling girls on the march to fit in with the guys, cheating at the archery exercise) or stuff that she wants to do but stops herself from doing. Everything Mushu did was Mulan (with the help of some matches) and everything Mushu said or thought were just Mulan's idle musings. Mushu's introduction has many parallels to Mulan's decision: There's a task to be done, but something happens (Mulan's father is sick and lame; the stone dragon breaks) that causes them to go themselves. (Mulan thinks her father shouldn't have to, Mushu fears the ancestors' anger) However, while Mulan's departure is treated as a dramatic, beautiful, and heroic moment of a young heroine in the making, Mushu's is shown as a childish attempt to cover up for his own failing. It's later revealed that a large part of Mulan's decision to leave was to prove her self worth and "find herself". (While she was concerned about her father, before getting to the idea of going herself in his place, her Plan A) was running up to the conscriptions guy and begging him to just let her father off the hook and her plan B) begging her father just to not show up. Neither one worked very well. Mushu's "advice" to her is just her own terrible ideas, (note that she never gets angry at Mushu for getting Yao and Shang upset with her, that would be just getting angry with herself)Mushu biting Ling's butt really was some creature in the pond and instead of fleeing to the rock with her new friends, Mulan just swam to the shore. As for the letter, that was just Mulan herself. She was so guilt ridden by it that she repressed the memory.
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He is the physical manifestation of Mulan's "dark side". Mushu is all of the things that Mulan does that she regrets (wolf whistling girls on the march to fit in with the guys, cheating at the archery exercise) or stuff that she wants to do but stops herself from doing. Everything Mushu did was Mulan (with the help of some matches) and everything Mushu said or thought were just Mulan's idle musings. Mushu's introduction has many parallels to Mulan's decision: There's a task to be done, but something happens (Mulan's father is sick and lame; the stone dragon breaks) that causes them to go themselves. (Mulan thinks her father shouldn't have to, Mushu fears the ancestors' anger) However, while Mulan's departure is treated as a dramatic, beautiful, and heroic moment of a young heroine in the making, Mushu's is shown as a childish attempt to cover up for his own failing. It's later revealed that a large part of Mulan's decision to leave was to prove her self worth and "find herself". (While she was concerned about her father, before getting to the idea of going herself in his place, her Plan A) was running up to the conscriptions guy and begging him to just let her father off the hook and her plan B) begging her father just to not show up. Neither one worked very well. Mushu's "advice" to her is just her own terrible ideas, (note that she never gets angry at Mushu for getting Yao and Shang upset with her, that would be just getting angry with herself)Mushu herself) Mushu biting Ling's butt really was some creature in the pond and instead of fleeing to the rock with her new friends, Mulan just swam to the shore. As for the letter, that was just Mulan herself. She was so guilt ridden by it that she repressed the memory.
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[[WMG: Mushu is actually a lizard.]]
He said he doesn’t do the tongue thing, but he actually does do the tongue thing.
He said he doesn’t do the tongue thing, but he actually does do the tongue thing.
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As for the first two songs, a girl not liking dresses and makeup does not make her trans, and it seemed more about the roughness (the cold bath, tight clothes, hair being pulled; not even the girly girls like that) that irked her in "Honor To Us All'; when all was said and done, she seemed mildly excited at best, resigned at worst, but not all-together unhappy. This and "Reflection" are along the same line; Mulan is a quirky (not necessarily unfeminine) girl, and in Ancient China's restrictive society, Mulan couldn't even imagine being anything but a "perfect porcelain doll" like the others, because there was no frame of reference for a girl to be anything else. In "Reflection", she can barley articulate what she wants, only that the girl she sees in the water is like a stranger to her. She's not necessarily uncomfortable with her body, she just generally feels like an outsider.
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As for the first two songs, a girl not liking dresses and makeup does not make her trans, and it seemed more about the roughness (the cold bath, tight clothes, hair being pulled; not even the girly girls like that) that irked her in "Honor To Us All'; when all was said and done, she seemed mildly excited at best, resigned at worst, but not all-together unhappy. This and "Reflection" are along the same line; Mulan is a quirky (not necessarily unfeminine) girl, and in Ancient China's restrictive society, Mulan couldn't even imagine being anything but a "perfect porcelain doll" like the others, because there was no frame of reference for a girl to be anything else. In "Reflection", she can barley barely articulate what she wants, only that the girl she sees in the water is like a stranger to her. She's not necessarily uncomfortable with her body, she just generally feels like an outsider.
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[[WMG: Mulan has ADHD]]
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Obviously it’s a terrible thing to think, but Chi Fu would have seen her during the training montage. It could be argued that his prejudices are so deeply ingrained into his psyche that his memories rewrote themselves to fit with his beliefs the instant he foundout the truth about Mulan, but it if that were the case, it seems rather unlikely that he would instantly assume nearly getting stabbed by a falling sword was an elaborate murder attempt on Mulan’s part. While the audience knows that it wasn’t Mulan, but for his own theory to make sense to him, he would need to acknowledge that Mulan had the fighting skills required to throw a sword at him and only miss by a few inches. It's easy to see someone being strong. But it's hard to be able to figure out what someone's intentions are, and Mulan's more destructive acts, (being attributed with randomly firing a rocket while trying to ambush the huns)-stealing the last cannon in a chancy gambit so out there not even Mushu understood what she was doing, and it's pretty clear that everyone was ''pretty'' horrified as their supposedly loyal fellow soldier randomly grabbed the last cannon as it was being prepared to nuke the Hun leader and started running towards the enemy army with it)
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Obviously it’s a terrible thing to think, but Chi Fu would have seen her during the training montage. It could be argued that his prejudices are so deeply ingrained into his psyche that his memories rewrote themselves to fit with his beliefs the instant he foundout found out the truth about Mulan, but it if that were the case, it seems rather unlikely that he would instantly assume nearly getting stabbed by a falling sword was an elaborate murder attempt on Mulan’s part. While the audience knows that it wasn’t Mulan, but for his own theory to make sense to him, he would need to acknowledge that Mulan had the fighting skills required to throw a sword at him and only miss by a few inches. It's easy to see someone being strong. But it's hard to be able to figure out what someone's intentions are, and Mulan's more destructive acts, (being attributed with randomly firing a rocket while trying to ambush the huns)-stealing the last cannon in a chancy gambit so out there not even Mushu understood what she was doing, and it's pretty clear that everyone was ''pretty'' horrified as their supposedly loyal fellow soldier randomly grabbed the last cannon as it was being prepared to nuke the Hun leader and started running towards the enemy army with it)
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It's not so far-fetched if you think about it. During Honor to us All, Grandma says "And even you can't blow it." Possibly referencing the past fails with the matchmaker. Near the end of the matchmaking disaster, she then says "I think it's going well. Don't you?" Referencing that worse things have happened with matchmaker and Mulan.
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It's not so far-fetched if you think about it. During Honor to us All, Grandma says "And even you can't blow it." Possibly referencing the past fails with the matchmaker. Near the end of the matchmaking disaster, she then says "I think it's going well. Don't you?" Referencing that worse things have happened with matchmaker and Mulan.Mulan... somehow.
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The viewer knows Mushu is good at disguises. The viewer also knows that Mushu is unorthodox. Perhaps he believed that Mulan's avalanche would be a perfect place to come clean. Thus he caused Mulan to white out with his suggestive powers ([[DiabolusExMachina really, the injury doesn't hinder her at all before this very second, and there's no actual tear in her clothes!]]) Mushu's horror could be from his plan not ging as he expected.
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The viewer knows Mushu is good at disguises. The viewer also knows that Mushu is unorthodox. Perhaps he believed that Mulan's avalanche would be a perfect place to come clean. Thus he caused Mulan to white out with his suggestive powers ([[DiabolusExMachina really, the injury doesn't hinder her at all before this very second, and there's no actual tear in her clothes!]]) Mushu's horror could be from his plan not ging going as he expected.
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In a world where Palpatine [[spoiler: didn't get killed by Rey and every Jedi (ever) and/or]] used time travel to travel through time into a primitive world known as earth. He easily convinced everyone to adore him despite the fact that he oppressed the women badly. General Li was his first sith apprentice, a greedy, LazyBum who took too much pride in his well-muscled but unintelligent offspring. Chi-Fu was cynical and desperate validation so it was easy to manipulate him. Shan Yu is actually not a Hun or even human, he's an artificial life form who, along with the Hun army, was made specifically to attack China. The Emperor wasn't asking Li to protect his people to seem nice, he just decided that rushing out against an unknown opponent would net more casualties then concentrating the defense around a single place. He sent out both Li and Chi Fu fully expecting both to die so that he could rope in new recruits (because let's be honest, that's just what he does) Somehow, Chi-Fu survived (because that scrawny, crotchety old man has to be made of iron to somehow stay alive throughout the film's events)but not immune to pain, which is why he's so cynical and prickly, and thus has a lot of negative emotions for the emperor to manipulate. Palpatine sensed what had happened. He realized that there had to be something special about Mulan for her to be so darn ''lucky'' and to attract so much attention...and so he caused her to pass out and have her secret revealed. Shang sparing her, Chi Fu getting incredibly vindictive were also Palpatine's machinations, a twisted form of 'good cop' 'bad cop' since he'll trust her more if he "saves" her from mean, nasty, ol' Chi Fu who surely is acting on his own agenda, ''right''?
So then, just like in ''Revenge of the Sith'', Palpatine arranges his own kidnapping so that Mulan can kill Shan Yu to help further her fall to the dark side, and then he tries to make Chi Fu go insane by screwing with his head, which ''almost'' fails...But then, to Palpatine's actual horror, he realizes that not only is Mulan more force-sensitive then she is, but she also ain't bad ''or'' good. She just literally does not ''give a darn''. About ''anything''. Palpatine lets her go but easily manipulates Shang to go after her by "convincing" him he's in love with her (Really, he'd barely met the two. Who is he to snoop around in their love lives. And how many dynasties have this creep lived through anyway? Like I said. Palpatine. Fortunately for Palpatine (and unfortunately for everyone else), Mulan can easily be goaded into doing just about anything as long as she can be presented as a Disney Heroine while doing so, and thus manipulates her into further ruining people's lives by taking advantage of that (as seen in Mulan II) All while tricking everyone (including the viewers!) into thinking he was a sweet old man.
** Just think! Palpatine's Modus Operandi is finding people with potential, corrupting them, and then having them be killed by his next candidate when they outlive their usefulness. Luke was tempted by becoming angry after [[spoiler: Darth Vader brought up turning Leia t the dark side, Shang got angry after Chi Fu stated that Mulan would never amount t anything. [[note]]"From my point f view the women are evil"[[/note]] The emperor stepped in, convinced Mulan that he was her friend, and then continued to goad Chi Fu into giving Mulan more and more ridiculously inappropriate awards (a sixteen-year-old ''soldier'', even an expert one, for ''advising''?) until Chi Fu finally slipped up and resisted, to which the emperor promptly struck him down. But in this case, the emperor won]]
So then, just like in ''Revenge of the Sith'', Palpatine arranges his own kidnapping so that Mulan can kill Shan Yu to help further her fall to the dark side, and then he tries to make Chi Fu go insane by screwing with his head, which ''almost'' fails...But then, to Palpatine's actual horror, he realizes that not only is Mulan more force-sensitive then she is, but she also ain't bad ''or'' good. She just literally does not ''give a darn''. About ''anything''. Palpatine lets her go but easily manipulates Shang to go after her by "convincing" him he's in love with her (Really, he'd barely met the two. Who is he to snoop around in their love lives. And how many dynasties have this creep lived through anyway? Like I said. Palpatine. Fortunately for Palpatine (and unfortunately for everyone else), Mulan can easily be goaded into doing just about anything as long as she can be presented as a Disney Heroine while doing so, and thus manipulates her into further ruining people's lives by taking advantage of that (as seen in Mulan II) All while tricking everyone (including the viewers!) into thinking he was a sweet old man.
** Just think! Palpatine's Modus Operandi is finding people with potential, corrupting them, and then having them be killed by his next candidate when they outlive their usefulness. Luke was tempted by becoming angry after [[spoiler: Darth Vader brought up turning Leia t the dark side, Shang got angry after Chi Fu stated that Mulan would never amount t anything. [[note]]"From my point f view the women are evil"[[/note]] The emperor stepped in, convinced Mulan that he was her friend, and then continued to goad Chi Fu into giving Mulan more and more ridiculously inappropriate awards (a sixteen-year-old ''soldier'', even an expert one, for ''advising''?) until Chi Fu finally slipped up and resisted, to which the emperor promptly struck him down. But in this case, the emperor won]]
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In a world where Palpatine [[spoiler: didn't get killed by Rey and every Jedi (ever) and/or]] used time travel to travel through time into a primitive world known as earth. He easily convinced everyone to adore him despite the fact that he oppressed the women badly.
General Li was his first sith apprentice, a greedy, LazyBum who took too much pride in his well-muscled but unintelligentoffspring. offspring.
Chi-Fu was cynical and desperate for validation so it was easy to manipulatehim. him.
Shan Yu is actually not a Hun or even human, he's an artificial life form who, along with the Hun army, was made specifically to attackChina. China.
The Emperor wasn't asking Li to protect his people to seem nice, he just decided that rushing out against an unknown opponent would net more casualties then concentrating the defense around a single place. He sent out both Li and Chi Fu fully expecting both to die so that he could rope in new recruits (because let's be honest, that's just what hedoes) does)
Somehow, Chi-Fu survived (because that scrawny, crotchety old man has to be made of iron to somehow stay alive throughout the film's events)but not immune to pain, which is why he's so cynical and prickly, and thus has a lot of negative emotions for the emperor to manipulate. Palpatine sensed what had happened. He realized that there had to be something special about Mulan for her to be so darn ''lucky'' and to attract so much attention...and so he caused her to pass out and have her secret revealed. Shang sparing her, Chi Fu getting incredibly vindictive were also Palpatine's machinations, a twisted form of 'good cop' 'bad cop' since he'll trust her more if he "saves" her from mean, nasty, ol' Chi Fu who surely is acting on his own agenda, ''right''?
So then, just like in ''Revenge of the Sith'', Palpatine arranges his own kidnapping so that Mulan can kill Shan Yu to help further her fall to the dark side, and then he tries to make Chi Fu go insane by screwing with his head, which ''almost''fails...fails...
But then, to Palpatine's actual horror, he realizes that not only is Mulan more force-sensitive then she is, but she also ain't bad ''or'' good. She just literally does not ''give a darn''. About ''anything''.
Palpatine lets her go but easily manipulates Shang to go after her by "convincing" him he's in love with her (Really, he'd barely met the two. Who is he to snoop around in their love lives. And how many dynasties have this creep lived through anyway? Like I said. Palpatine. Fortunately for Palpatine (and unfortunately for everyone else), Mulan can easily be goaded into doing just about anything as long as she can be presented as a Disney Heroine while doing so, and thus manipulates her into further ruining people's lives by taking advantage of that (as seen in Mulan II) All while tricking everyone (including the viewers!) into thinking he was a sweet old man.
** Just think! Palpatine's Modus Operandi is finding people with potential, corrupting them, and then having them be killed by his next candidate when they outlive their usefulness. Luke was tempted by becoming angry after [[spoiler: Darth Vader brought up turning Leiat to the dark side, Shang got angry after Chi Fu stated that Mulan would never amount t to anything. [[note]]"From my point f of view the women are evil"[[/note]] The emperor stepped in, convinced Mulan that he was her friend, and then continued to goad Chi Fu into giving Mulan more and more ridiculously inappropriate awards (a sixteen-year-old ''soldier'', even an expert one, for ''advising''?) until Chi Fu finally slipped up and resisted, to which the emperor promptly struck him down. But in this case, the emperor won]]
General Li was his first sith apprentice, a greedy, LazyBum who took too much pride in his well-muscled but unintelligent
Chi-Fu was cynical and desperate for validation so it was easy to manipulate
Shan Yu is actually not a Hun or even human, he's an artificial life form who, along with the Hun army, was made specifically to attack
The Emperor wasn't asking Li to protect his people to seem nice, he just decided that rushing out against an unknown opponent would net more casualties then concentrating the defense around a single place. He sent out both Li and Chi Fu fully expecting both to die so that he could rope in new recruits (because let's be honest, that's just what he
Somehow, Chi-Fu survived (because that scrawny, crotchety old man has to be made of iron to somehow stay alive throughout the film's events)but not immune to pain, which is why he's so cynical and prickly, and thus has a lot of negative emotions for the emperor to manipulate. Palpatine sensed what had happened. He realized that there had to be something special about Mulan for her to be so darn ''lucky'' and to attract so much attention...and so he caused her to pass out and have her secret revealed. Shang sparing her, Chi Fu getting incredibly vindictive were also Palpatine's machinations, a twisted form of 'good cop' 'bad cop' since he'll trust her more if he "saves" her from mean, nasty, ol' Chi Fu who surely is acting on his own agenda, ''right''?
So then, just like in ''Revenge of the Sith'', Palpatine arranges his own kidnapping so that Mulan can kill Shan Yu to help further her fall to the dark side, and then he tries to make Chi Fu go insane by screwing with his head, which ''almost''
But then, to Palpatine's actual horror, he realizes that not only is Mulan more force-sensitive then she is, but she also ain't bad ''or'' good. She just literally does not ''give a darn''. About ''anything''.
Palpatine lets her go but easily manipulates Shang to go after her by "convincing" him he's in love with her (Really, he'd barely met the two. Who is he to snoop around in their love lives. And how many dynasties have this creep lived through anyway? Like I said. Palpatine. Fortunately for Palpatine (and unfortunately for everyone else), Mulan can easily be goaded into doing just about anything as long as she can be presented as a Disney Heroine while doing so, and thus manipulates her into further ruining people's lives by taking advantage of that (as seen in Mulan II) All while tricking everyone (including the viewers!) into thinking he was a sweet old man.
** Just think! Palpatine's Modus Operandi is finding people with potential, corrupting them, and then having them be killed by his next candidate when they outlive their usefulness. Luke was tempted by becoming angry after [[spoiler: Darth Vader brought up turning Leia
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So then, just like in ''Revenge of the Sith'', Palpatine arranges his own kidnapping so that Mulan can kill Shan Yu to help further her fall to the dark side, and then he tries to make Chi Fu go insane by screwing with his head, which ''almost'' fails...But then, to Palpatine's actual horror, he realizes that not only is Mulan more force sensitive then she is, she ain't bad ''or'' good. She just literally does not ''give a darn''. About ''anything''. Palpatine lets her go but easily manipulates Shang to go after her by "convincing" him he's in love with her (Really, he'd barely met the two. Who is he to snoop around in their love lives. And how many dynasties has this creep lived through anyway? Like I said. Palpatine. Fortunately for Palpatine (and unfortunately for everyone else) Mulan can easily be goaded into doing just about anything as long as she can be presented as a Disney Heroine while doing so, and thus manipulates her into further ruining people's lives by taking advantage of that (as seen in Mulan II) All while tricking everyone (including the viewers!) into thinking he was a sweet old man.
** Just think! Palpatine's Modus Operandi is finding people with potential, corrupting them, and then having them be killed by his next candidate when they outlive their usefulness. Luke was tempted by becoming angry after [[spoiler: Darth Vader brought up turning Leia t the dark side, Shang got angry after Chi Fu stated that Mulan would never amount t anything. [[note]]"From my point f view the women are evil"[[/note]] The emperor stepped in, convinced Mulan that he was her friend, and then continued to goad Chi Fu into giving Mulan more and more ridiculously inappropriate awards (a sixteen-year-old ''soldier'', even an expert one, for ''advising''? until Chi Fu finally slipped up and resisted, to which the emperor promptly struck him down. But in this case, the emperor won]]
** Just think! Palpatine's Modus Operandi is finding people with potential, corrupting them, and then having them be killed by his next candidate when they outlive their usefulness. Luke was tempted by becoming angry after [[spoiler: Darth Vader brought up turning Leia t the dark side, Shang got angry after Chi Fu stated that Mulan would never amount t anything. [[note]]"From my point f view the women are evil"[[/note]] The emperor stepped in, convinced Mulan that he was her friend, and then continued to goad Chi Fu into giving Mulan more and more ridiculously inappropriate awards (a sixteen-year-old ''soldier'', even an expert one, for ''advising''? until Chi Fu finally slipped up and resisted, to which the emperor promptly struck him down. But in this case, the emperor won]]
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So then, just like in ''Revenge of the Sith'', Palpatine arranges his own kidnapping so that Mulan can kill Shan Yu to help further her fall to the dark side, and then he tries to make Chi Fu go insane by screwing with his head, which ''almost'' fails...But then, to Palpatine's actual horror, he realizes that not only is Mulan more force sensitive force-sensitive then she is, but she also ain't bad ''or'' good. She just literally does not ''give a darn''. About ''anything''. Palpatine lets her go but easily manipulates Shang to go after her by "convincing" him he's in love with her (Really, he'd barely met the two. Who is he to snoop around in their love lives. And how many dynasties has have this creep lived through anyway? Like I said. Palpatine. Fortunately for Palpatine (and unfortunately for everyone else) else), Mulan can easily be goaded into doing just about anything as long as she can be presented as a Disney Heroine while doing so, and thus manipulates her into further ruining people's lives by taking advantage of that (as seen in Mulan II) All while tricking everyone (including the viewers!) into thinking he was a sweet old man.
** Just think! Palpatine's Modus Operandi is finding people with potential, corrupting them, and then having them be killed by his next candidate when they outlive their usefulness. Luke was tempted by becoming angry after [[spoiler: Darth Vader brought up turning Leia t the dark side, Shang got angry after Chi Fu stated that Mulan would never amount t anything. [[note]]"From my point f view the women are evil"[[/note]] The emperor stepped in, convinced Mulan that he was her friend, and then continued to goad Chi Fu into giving Mulan more and more ridiculously inappropriate awards (a sixteen-year-old ''soldier'', even an expert one, for''advising''? ''advising''?) until Chi Fu finally slipped up and resisted, to which the emperor promptly struck him down. But in this case, the emperor won]]
** Just think! Palpatine's Modus Operandi is finding people with potential, corrupting them, and then having them be killed by his next candidate when they outlive their usefulness. Luke was tempted by becoming angry after [[spoiler: Darth Vader brought up turning Leia t the dark side, Shang got angry after Chi Fu stated that Mulan would never amount t anything. [[note]]"From my point f view the women are evil"[[/note]] The emperor stepped in, convinced Mulan that he was her friend, and then continued to goad Chi Fu into giving Mulan more and more ridiculously inappropriate awards (a sixteen-year-old ''soldier'', even an expert one, for
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It's not so far-fetched if you think about it. During Honor to us All, Grandma says "And even you can't blow it." Possibly referencing the past fails with the matchmaker. Near the end of the matchmaking disaster, she then says "I think it's going well. Don't you?" Referencing that worse things have happened with matchmaker and Mulan.
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It's not so far-fetched if you think about it. During Honor to us All, Grandma says "And even you can't blow it." Possibly referencing the past fails with the matchmaker. Near the end of the matchmaking disaster, she then says "I think it's going well. Don't you?" Referencing that worse things have happened with matchmaker and Mulan.Mulan.
[[WMG: The doctor who treated Mulan was Mushu in disguise]]
The viewer has never seen him before. The viewer never sees him again. He appears and disappears just as quickly.
The viewer knows Mushu is good at disguises. The viewer also knows that Mushu is unorthodox. Perhaps he believed that Mulan's avalanche would be a perfect place to come clean. Thus he caused Mulan to white out with his suggestive powers ([[DiabolusExMachina really, the injury doesn't hinder her at all before this very second, and there's no actual tear in her clothes!]]) Mushu's horror could be from his plan not ging as he expected.
[[WMG: The doctor who treated Mulan was Mushu in disguise]]
The viewer has never seen him before. The viewer never sees him again. He appears and disappears just as quickly.
The viewer knows Mushu is good at disguises. The viewer also knows that Mushu is unorthodox. Perhaps he believed that Mulan's avalanche would be a perfect place to come clean. Thus he caused Mulan to white out with his suggestive powers ([[DiabolusExMachina really, the injury doesn't hinder her at all before this very second, and there's no actual tear in her clothes!]]) Mushu's horror could be from his plan not ging as he expected.
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** Just think! Palpatine's Modus Operandi is finding people with potential, corrupting them, and then having them be killed by his next candidate when they outlive their usefulness. Luke was tempted by becoming angry after [[spoiler: Darth Vader brought up turning Leia t the dark side, Shang got angry after Chi Fu stated that Mulan would never amount t anything. [[note]]"From my point f view the women are evil"[[/note]] The emperor stepped in, convinced Mulan that he was her friend, and then continued to goad Chi Fu into giving Mulan more and more ridiculously inappropriate awards (a sixteen-year-old ''soldier'', even an expert one, for ''advising''? until Chi Fu finally slipped up and resisted, to which the emperor promptly struck him down. But in this case, the emperor won]]
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** Just think! Palpatine's Modus Operandi is finding people with potential, corrupting them, and then having them be killed by his next candidate when they outlive their usefulness. Luke was tempted by becoming angry after [[spoiler: Darth Vader brought up turning Leia t the dark side, Shang got angry after Chi Fu stated that Mulan would never amount t anything. [[note]]"From my point f view the women are evil"[[/note]] The emperor stepped in, convinced Mulan that he was her friend, and then continued to goad Chi Fu into giving Mulan more and more ridiculously inappropriate awards (a sixteen-year-old ''soldier'', even an expert one, for ''advising''? until Chi Fu finally slipped up and resisted, to which the emperor promptly struck him down. But in this case, the emperor won]]won]]
[[WMG: Mulan has failed with the matchmaker multiple times.]]
It's not so far-fetched if you think about it. During Honor to us All, Grandma says "And even you can't blow it." Possibly referencing the past fails with the matchmaker. Near the end of the matchmaking disaster, she then says "I think it's going well. Don't you?" Referencing that worse things have happened with matchmaker and Mulan.
[[WMG: Mulan has failed with the matchmaker multiple times.]]
It's not so far-fetched if you think about it. During Honor to us All, Grandma says "And even you can't blow it." Possibly referencing the past fails with the matchmaker. Near the end of the matchmaking disaster, she then says "I think it's going well. Don't you?" Referencing that worse things have happened with matchmaker and Mulan.
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* Not to mention the emperor!
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* Not to mention the emperor!emperor! Palpatine explicitly faked his own kidnapping, the emperor likewise seems barely ruffled and at most is only merely irritated and utterly unfazed by the hub-bub going on with his rescue.
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* Not to mention the emperor!
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So then, just like in ''Revenge of the Sith'', Palpatine arranges his own kidnapping so that Mulan can kill Shan Yu to help further her fall to the dark side, and then he tries to make Chi Fu go insane by screwing with his head, which ''almost'' fails...But then, to Palpatine's actual horror, he realizes that not only is Mulan more force sensitive then she is, she ain't bad ''or'' good. She just literally does not ''give a darn''. About ''anything''. Palpatine lets her go but easily manipulates Shang to go after her by "convincing" him he's in love with her (Really, he'd barely met the two. Who is he to snoop around in their love lives. And how many dynasties has this creep lived through anyway? Like I said. Palpatine. Fortunately for Palpatine (and unfortunately for everyone else) Mulan can easily be goaded into doing just about anything as long as she can be presented as a Disney Heroine while doing so, and thus manipulates her into further ruining people's lives by taking advantage of that (as seen in Mulan II) All while tricking everyone (including the viewers!) into thinking he was a sweet old man.
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So then, just like in ''Revenge of the Sith'', Palpatine arranges his own kidnapping so that Mulan can kill Shan Yu to help further her fall to the dark side, and then he tries to make Chi Fu go insane by screwing with his head, which ''almost'' fails...But then, to Palpatine's actual horror, he realizes that not only is Mulan more force sensitive then she is, she ain't bad ''or'' good. She just literally does not ''give a darn''. About ''anything''. Palpatine lets her go but easily manipulates Shang to go after her by "convincing" him he's in love with her (Really, he'd barely met the two. Who is he to snoop around in their love lives. And how many dynasties has this creep lived through anyway? Like I said. Palpatine. Fortunately for Palpatine (and unfortunately for everyone else) Mulan can easily be goaded into doing just about anything as long as she can be presented as a Disney Heroine while doing so, and thus manipulates her into further ruining people's lives by taking advantage of that (as seen in Mulan II) All while tricking everyone (including the viewers!) into thinking he was a sweet old man.man.
** Just think! Palpatine's Modus Operandi is finding people with potential, corrupting them, and then having them be killed by his next candidate when they outlive their usefulness. Luke was tempted by becoming angry after [[spoiler: Darth Vader brought up turning Leia t the dark side, Shang got angry after Chi Fu stated that Mulan would never amount t anything. [[note]]"From my point f view the women are evil"[[/note]] The emperor stepped in, convinced Mulan that he was her friend, and then continued to goad Chi Fu into giving Mulan more and more ridiculously inappropriate awards (a sixteen-year-old ''soldier'', even an expert one, for ''advising''? until Chi Fu finally slipped up and resisted, to which the emperor promptly struck him down. But in this case, the emperor won]]
** Just think! Palpatine's Modus Operandi is finding people with potential, corrupting them, and then having them be killed by his next candidate when they outlive their usefulness. Luke was tempted by becoming angry after [[spoiler: Darth Vader brought up turning Leia t the dark side, Shang got angry after Chi Fu stated that Mulan would never amount t anything. [[note]]"From my point f view the women are evil"[[/note]] The emperor stepped in, convinced Mulan that he was her friend, and then continued to goad Chi Fu into giving Mulan more and more ridiculously inappropriate awards (a sixteen-year-old ''soldier'', even an expert one, for ''advising''? until Chi Fu finally slipped up and resisted, to which the emperor promptly struck him down. But in this case, the emperor won]]
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In a world where Palpatine didn't get killed by Rey and every Jedi (ever) or Time Travel Shenanigans, Palpatine traveled through time into a primitive world known as earth. He easily convinced everyone to adore him despite the fact that he oppressed the women badly. General Li was his first sith apprentice, a greedy, LazyBum who took too much pride in his well-muscled but unintelligent offspring. Chi-Fu was cynical and desperate validation so it was easy to manipulate him. Shan Yu is actually not a Hun or even human, he's an artificial life form who, along with the Hun army, was made specifically to attack China. The Emperor wasn't asking Li to protect his people to seem nice, he just decided that rushing out against an unknown opponent would net more casualties then concentrating the defense around a single place. He sent out both Li and Chi Fu fully expecting both to die so that he could rope in new recruits (because let's be honest, that's just what he does) Somehow, Chi-Fu survived (because that scrawny, crotchety old man has to be made of iron to somehow stay alive throughout the film's events)but not immune to pain, which is why he's so cynical and prickly, and thus has a lot of negative emotions for the emperor to manipulate. Palpatine sensed what had happened. He realized that there had to be something special about Mulan for her to be so darn ''lucky'' and to attract so much attention...and so he caused her to pass out and have her secret revealed. Shang sparing her, Chi Fu getting incredibly vindictive were also Palpatine's machinations, a twisted form of 'good cop' 'bad cop' since he'll trust her more if he "saves" her from mean, nasty, ol' Chi Fu who surely is acting on his own agenda, ''right''?
So then, just like in ''Revenge of the Sith'', Palpatine arranges his own kidnapping so that Mulan can kill Shan Yu to help further her fall to the dark side, and then he tries to make Chi Fu go insane by screwing with his head, which ''almost'' fails...But then, to Palpatine's actual horror, he realizes that not only is Mulan more force sensitive then she is, she ain't bad ''or'' good. She just literally does not ''give a darn''. About ''anything''. Palpatine lets her go but easily manipulates Shang to go after her by "convincing" him he's in love with her (Really, he'd barely met the two. Who is he to snoop around in their love lives. And how many dynasties has this creep lived through anyway? Like I said. Palpatine. Fortunately for Palpatine (and unfortunately for everyone else) Mulan can easily be goaded into doing just about anything as long as she can be presented as a Disney Heroine while doing so, and thus manipulates her into further ruining people's lives by taking advantage of that (as seen in Mulan II)
Your welcome.
So then, just like in ''Revenge of the Sith'', Palpatine arranges his own kidnapping so that Mulan can kill Shan Yu to help further her fall to the dark side, and then he tries to make Chi Fu go insane by screwing with his head, which ''almost'' fails...But then, to Palpatine's actual horror, he realizes that not only is Mulan more force sensitive then she is, she ain't bad ''or'' good. She just literally does not ''give a darn''. About ''anything''. Palpatine lets her go but easily manipulates Shang to go after her by "convincing" him he's in love with her (Really, he'd barely met the two. Who is he to snoop around in their love lives. And how many dynasties has this creep lived through anyway? Like I said. Palpatine. Fortunately for Palpatine (and unfortunately for everyone else) Mulan can easily be goaded into doing just about anything as long as she can be presented as a Disney Heroine while doing so, and thus manipulates her into further ruining people's lives by taking advantage of that (as seen in Mulan II)
Your welcome.
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In a world where Palpatine [[spoiler: didn't get killed by Rey and every Jedi (ever) or Time Travel Shenanigans, Palpatine traveled and/or]] used time travel to travel through time into a primitive world known as earth. He easily convinced everyone to adore him despite the fact that he oppressed the women badly. General Li was his first sith apprentice, a greedy, LazyBum who took too much pride in his well-muscled but unintelligent offspring. Chi-Fu was cynical and desperate validation so it was easy to manipulate him. Shan Yu is actually not a Hun or even human, he's an artificial life form who, along with the Hun army, was made specifically to attack China. The Emperor wasn't asking Li to protect his people to seem nice, he just decided that rushing out against an unknown opponent would net more casualties then concentrating the defense around a single place. He sent out both Li and Chi Fu fully expecting both to die so that he could rope in new recruits (because let's be honest, that's just what he does) Somehow, Chi-Fu survived (because that scrawny, crotchety old man has to be made of iron to somehow stay alive throughout the film's events)but not immune to pain, which is why he's so cynical and prickly, and thus has a lot of negative emotions for the emperor to manipulate. Palpatine sensed what had happened. He realized that there had to be something special about Mulan for her to be so darn ''lucky'' and to attract so much attention...and so he caused her to pass out and have her secret revealed. Shang sparing her, Chi Fu getting incredibly vindictive were also Palpatine's machinations, a twisted form of 'good cop' 'bad cop' since he'll trust her more if he "saves" her from mean, nasty, ol' Chi Fu who surely is acting on his own agenda, ''right''?
So then, just like in ''Revenge of the Sith'', Palpatine arranges his own kidnapping so that Mulan can kill Shan Yu to help further her fall to the dark side, and then he tries to make Chi Fu go insane by screwing with his head, which ''almost'' fails...But then, to Palpatine's actual horror, he realizes that not only is Mulan more force sensitive then she is, she ain't bad ''or'' good. She just literally does not ''give a darn''. About ''anything''. Palpatine lets her go but easily manipulates Shang to go after her by "convincing" him he's in love with her (Really, he'd barely met the two. Who is he to snoop around in their love lives. And how many dynasties has this creep lived through anyway? Like I said. Palpatine. Fortunately for Palpatine (and unfortunately for everyone else) Mulan can easily be goaded into doing just about anything as long as she can be presented as a Disney Heroine while doing so, and thus manipulates her into further ruining people's lives by taking advantage of that (as seen in MulanII)
Your welcome.II) All while tricking everyone (including the viewers!) into thinking he was a sweet old man.
So then, just like in ''Revenge of the Sith'', Palpatine arranges his own kidnapping so that Mulan can kill Shan Yu to help further her fall to the dark side, and then he tries to make Chi Fu go insane by screwing with his head, which ''almost'' fails...But then, to Palpatine's actual horror, he realizes that not only is Mulan more force sensitive then she is, she ain't bad ''or'' good. She just literally does not ''give a darn''. About ''anything''. Palpatine lets her go but easily manipulates Shang to go after her by "convincing" him he's in love with her (Really, he'd barely met the two. Who is he to snoop around in their love lives. And how many dynasties has this creep lived through anyway? Like I said. Palpatine. Fortunately for Palpatine (and unfortunately for everyone else) Mulan can easily be goaded into doing just about anything as long as she can be presented as a Disney Heroine while doing so, and thus manipulates her into further ruining people's lives by taking advantage of that (as seen in Mulan
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In a world where Palpatine didn't get killed by Rey and every Jedi (ever) or Time Travel Shenanigans, Palpatine traveled through time into a primitive world known as earth. He easily convinced everyone to adore him despite the fact that he oppressed the women badly. General Li was his first sith apprentice, a greedy, LazyBum who took too much pride in his well-muscled but unintelligent offspring. Chi-Fu was cynical and desperate validation so it was easy to manipulate him. Shan Yu is actually not a Hun or even human, he's an artificial life form who, along with the Hun army, was made specifically to attack China. The Emperor wasn't asking Li to protect his people to seem nice, he just decided that rushing out against an unknown opponent would net more casualties then concentrating the defense around a single place. He sent out both Li and Chi Fu fully expecting both to die so that he could rope in new recruits (because let's be honest, that's just what he does)
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In a world where Palpatine didn't get killed by Rey and every Jedi (ever) or Time Travel Shenanigans, Palpatine traveled through time into a primitive world known as earth. He easily convinced everyone to adore him despite the fact that he oppressed the women badly. General Li was his first sith apprentice, a greedy, LazyBum who took too much pride in his well-muscled but unintelligent offspring. Chi-Fu was cynical and desperate validation so it was easy to manipulate him. Shan Yu is actually not a Hun or even human, he's an artificial life form who, along with the Hun army, was made specifically to attack China. The Emperor wasn't asking Li to protect his people to seem nice, he just decided that rushing out against an unknown opponent would net more casualties then concentrating the defense around a single place. He sent out both Li and Chi Fu fully expecting both to die so that he could rope in new recruits (because let's be honest, that's just what he does)does) Somehow, Chi-Fu survived (because that scrawny, crotchety old man has to be made of iron to somehow stay alive throughout the film's events)but not immune to pain, which is why he's so cynical and prickly, and thus has a lot of negative emotions for the emperor to manipulate. Palpatine sensed what had happened. He realized that there had to be something special about Mulan for her to be so darn ''lucky'' and to attract so much attention...and so he caused her to pass out and have her secret revealed. Shang sparing her, Chi Fu getting incredibly vindictive were also Palpatine's machinations, a twisted form of 'good cop' 'bad cop' since he'll trust her more if he "saves" her from mean, nasty, ol' Chi Fu who surely is acting on his own agenda, ''right''?
So then, just like in ''Revenge of the Sith'', Palpatine arranges his own kidnapping so that Mulan can kill Shan Yu to help further her fall to the dark side, and then he tries to make Chi Fu go insane by screwing with his head, which ''almost'' fails...But then, to Palpatine's actual horror, he realizes that not only is Mulan more force sensitive then she is, she ain't bad ''or'' good. She just literally does not ''give a darn''. About ''anything''. Palpatine lets her go but easily manipulates Shang to go after her by "convincing" him he's in love with her (Really, he'd barely met the two. Who is he to snoop around in their love lives. And how many dynasties has this creep lived through anyway? Like I said. Palpatine. Fortunately for Palpatine (and unfortunately for everyone else) Mulan can easily be goaded into doing just about anything as long as she can be presented as a Disney Heroine while doing so, and thus manipulates her into further ruining people's lives by taking advantage of that (as seen in Mulan II)
Your welcome.
So then, just like in ''Revenge of the Sith'', Palpatine arranges his own kidnapping so that Mulan can kill Shan Yu to help further her fall to the dark side, and then he tries to make Chi Fu go insane by screwing with his head, which ''almost'' fails...But then, to Palpatine's actual horror, he realizes that not only is Mulan more force sensitive then she is, she ain't bad ''or'' good. She just literally does not ''give a darn''. About ''anything''. Palpatine lets her go but easily manipulates Shang to go after her by "convincing" him he's in love with her (Really, he'd barely met the two. Who is he to snoop around in their love lives. And how many dynasties has this creep lived through anyway? Like I said. Palpatine. Fortunately for Palpatine (and unfortunately for everyone else) Mulan can easily be goaded into doing just about anything as long as she can be presented as a Disney Heroine while doing so, and thus manipulates her into further ruining people's lives by taking advantage of that (as seen in Mulan II)
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In a world where Palpatine didn't get killed by Rey and every Jedi (ever) or Time Travel Shenanigans, Palpatine traveled through time into a primitive world known as earth. He easily convinced everyone to adore him despite the fact that he oppressed the women badly. General Li was his first sith apprentice, a greedy, LazyBum who took too much pride in his well-muscled but unintelligent offspring. Chi-Fu was cynical and desperate validation so it was easy to manipulate him. He sent both Chi Fu and General Li out.
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In a world where Palpatine didn't get killed by Rey and every Jedi (ever) or Time Travel Shenanigans, Palpatine traveled through time into a primitive world known as earth. He easily convinced everyone to adore him despite the fact that he oppressed the women badly. General Li was his first sith apprentice, a greedy, LazyBum who took too much pride in his well-muscled but unintelligent offspring. Chi-Fu was cynical and desperate validation so it was easy to manipulate him. Shan Yu is actually not a Hun or even human, he's an artificial life form who, along with the Hun army, was made specifically to attack China. The Emperor wasn't asking Li to protect his people to seem nice, he just decided that rushing out against an unknown opponent would net more casualties then concentrating the defense around a single place. He sent out both Li and Chi Fu and General Li out.fully expecting both to die so that he could rope in new recruits (because let's be honest, that's just what he does)
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He sensed Mulan was a child of destiny. They had a deep spiritual connection as she always sat under him when troubled. The Great Stone Dragon sensed not only the fate of the Fa family, but countless families, and all of China depended on her. Only he knew that from the start. The ancestors believed otherwise and that Mulan would bring dishonor if allowed to pursue her path. Thus, The Great Stone Dragon ''refused to be summoned'' since he would be duty-bound to retrieve her, and he would not fail, and his success would '''doom''' the land and its people.
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He sensed Mulan was a child of destiny. They had a deep spiritual connection as she always sat under him when troubled. The Great Stone Dragon sensed not only the fate of the Fa family, but countless families, and all of China depended on her. Only he knew that from the start. The ancestors believed otherwise and that Mulan would bring dishonor if allowed to pursue her path. Thus, The Great Stone Dragon ''refused to be summoned'' since he would be duty-bound to retrieve her, and he would not fail, and his success would '''doom''' the land and its people.people.
[[WMG: The Emperor of China is actually Palpatine]]
In a world where Palpatine didn't get killed by Rey and every Jedi (ever) or Time Travel Shenanigans, Palpatine traveled through time into a primitive world known as earth. He easily convinced everyone to adore him despite the fact that he oppressed the women badly. General Li was his first sith apprentice, a greedy, LazyBum who took too much pride in his well-muscled but unintelligent offspring. Chi-Fu was cynical and desperate validation so it was easy to manipulate him. He sent both Chi Fu and General Li out.
[[WMG: The Emperor of China is actually Palpatine]]
In a world where Palpatine didn't get killed by Rey and every Jedi (ever) or Time Travel Shenanigans, Palpatine traveled through time into a primitive world known as earth. He easily convinced everyone to adore him despite the fact that he oppressed the women badly. General Li was his first sith apprentice, a greedy, LazyBum who took too much pride in his well-muscled but unintelligent offspring. Chi-Fu was cynical and desperate validation so it was easy to manipulate him. He sent both Chi Fu and General Li out.
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[[WMG: Alternately, the Cricket is ''personally'' lucky, which makes it ''un''lucky to be around.]]
* If you'll notice, the Cricket itself seems to make it through the series remarkably unharmed, it's everyone around it that gets in trouble. For example, in the crossing-the-street scene there is a pile-up and multiple people get hurt, but the cricket is unharmed. So perhaps the Cricket is "lucky" in the sense that it attracts good luck to itself, thus cursing everyone around it with bad luck because the Cricket has stolen all their good luck.
* If you'll notice, the Cricket itself seems to make it through the series remarkably unharmed, it's everyone around it that gets in trouble. For example, in the crossing-the-street scene there is a pile-up and multiple people get hurt, but the cricket is unharmed. So perhaps the Cricket is "lucky" in the sense that it attracts good luck to itself, thus cursing everyone around it with bad luck because the Cricket has stolen all their good luck.
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[[WMG: [[Disney/{{Aladdin}} A foreign prince and princess]] were spotted at the roof of the palace right after Shan Yu was killed.]]
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[[WMG: [[Disney/{{Aladdin}} [[WesternAnimation/{{Aladdin}} A foreign prince and princess]] were spotted at the roof of the palace right after Shan Yu was killed.]]
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Several times he says something out loud that everyone assumes to be Mulan,(that sounds nothing like her, even in her man disguise) or he says something out loud that nobody but Mulan seems to hear. And then there was his rather suspect looking 'imperial messenger' disguise that passed muster, as well as pretending to be Mulan trash talking Shang in the sequel (Shang was completely fooled despite "Mulan's" head falling off, as well as "Mulan"'s voice suddenly sounding exactly Mushu's (Mushu's voice does not resemble Mulan's by any stretch of imagination) And let's not forget the impressive show he puts on for Mulan before revealing himself. His powers clearly have limits-he can do nothing to alter his physical body, though his shadow and his voice are free real estate. If he creates a disguise Animals also see right through them, though he is ''very'' good at getting them to do what he wants, as seen with Cri-Kee, Hayabusa, and a random panda bear...
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Several times he says something out loud that everyone assumes to be Mulan,(that sounds nothing like her, even in her man disguise) or he says something out loud that nobody but Mulan seems to hear. And then there was his rather suspect looking 'imperial messenger' disguise that passed muster, as well as pretending to be Mulan trash talking Shang in the sequel (Shang was completely fooled despite "Mulan's" head falling off, as well as "Mulan"'s voice suddenly sounding exactly Mushu's (Mushu's voice does not resemble Mulan's by any stretch of imagination) And let's not forget the impressive show he puts on for Mulan before revealing himself. His powers clearly have limits-he can do nothing to alter his physical body, though his shadow and his voice are free real estate. If he creates a disguise Animals also see right through them, though he is ''very'' good at getting them to do what he wants, as seen with Cri-Kee, Hayabusa, and a random panda bear...bear...
[[WMG: The Great Stone Dragon refused to awaken because...]]
He sensed Mulan was a child of destiny. They had a deep spiritual connection as she always sat under him when troubled. The Great Stone Dragon sensed not only the fate of the Fa family, but countless families, and all of China depended on her. Only he knew that from the start. The ancestors believed otherwise and that Mulan would bring dishonor if allowed to pursue her path. Thus, The Great Stone Dragon ''refused to be summoned'' since he would be duty-bound to retrieve her, and he would not fail, and his success would '''doom''' the land and its people.
[[WMG: The Great Stone Dragon refused to awaken because...]]
He sensed Mulan was a child of destiny. They had a deep spiritual connection as she always sat under him when troubled. The Great Stone Dragon sensed not only the fate of the Fa family, but countless families, and all of China depended on her. Only he knew that from the start. The ancestors believed otherwise and that Mulan would bring dishonor if allowed to pursue her path. Thus, The Great Stone Dragon ''refused to be summoned'' since he would be duty-bound to retrieve her, and he would not fail, and his success would '''doom''' the land and its people.
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[[WMG: Chi Fu is intersex]]
The idea f bathing with other men seems to make him uncomfortable, and he gets very defensive when his masculinity is challenged. He also acts especially hostile towards women because he doesn't want to be compared to one. He may not even identify as male, but choose to present as one as opposed to being seen as a second-class citizen...much someone seen as "defective".
The idea f bathing with other men seems to make him uncomfortable, and he gets very defensive when his masculinity is challenged. He also acts especially hostile towards women because he doesn't want to be compared to one. He may not even identify as male, but choose to present as one as opposed to being seen as a second-class citizen...much someone seen as "defective".
