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*** There is no bad guy in the story. BlueAndOrangeMorality is heavily in effect.
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* Was that ever confirmed by WordOfGod? It just seemed like a cheap little shout-out in X-2.
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* Was that ever confirmed by WordOfGod? It just seemed like a cheap little shout-out in X-2.
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Back in ''[[FinalFantasyXIII XIII]]'', a big deal is made about the party's Focus being to transform into Ragnarok and bring about the end of the world. In the end, Fang is the one to achieve this (much like the first time), and the end of the world is assumed to be the destruction of Cocoon, which was prevented. However, the final 13 days of Nova Chrysalia and Lightning's new role in the game seems to indicate that ''this'' was the Ragnarok that the Pulse l'Cie were to bring out. The end of the world mirrors the original Ragnarok from Norse Mythology, and as the GrandFinale to the ''XIII'' franchise something akin to the battle of Ragnarok will happen. And just like in the original myth, a new world will be born out of the old.
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Back in ''[[FinalFantasyXIII ''[[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII XIII]]'', a big deal is made about the party's Focus being to transform into Ragnarok and bring about the end of the world. In the end, Fang is the one to achieve this (much like the first time), and the end of the world is assumed to be the destruction of Cocoon, which was prevented. However, the final 13 days of Nova Chrysalia and Lightning's new role in the game seems to indicate that ''this'' was the Ragnarok that the Pulse l'Cie were to bring out. The end of the world mirrors the original Ragnarok from Norse Mythology, and as the GrandFinale to the ''XIII'' franchise something akin to the battle of Ragnarok will happen. And just like in the original myth, a new world will be born out of the old.
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* [[spoiler: CONFIRMED... sort of. Hope isn't dead, but his soul is in Bhunivelze's possession and Bhunivelze himself is using Hope's body as a vessel to watch over Lightning doing the task he gives her.]]
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* Jossed, to an extent. No one officially ends up with anyone, but there's a lot of ShipTease for Hope/Lightning and Fang/Vanille. [[spoiler:And Noel/Yuel]].
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*** There is no bad guy in the story. BlueAndOrangeMorality is heavily in effect.
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*Hope wasn't blessed by Etro more than once, like Sazh, Noel and Mog were. Nor does he have a Fal'Cie that can ahem" Jimmy the locks open" for him like Snow did. He is incapable of using the Historia Crux to time travel.
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* Actually, the [[NoExportForYou Ultimania Omega guide]] for LR: FFXIII reveals that [[spoiler: there's a good chance Hope has gone back to an adult in the ending of the game, as his young self here was something created by Bhunivelze, who has come down with a bad case of "dead" or "in crystal sleep."]]
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* Actually, the [[NoExportForYou Lightning Returns Ultimania Omega guide]] artbook]] for LR: FFXIII reveals that [[spoiler: there's a good chance Hope has gone back to an adult in the ending of the game, as his young self here was something created by Bhunivelze, who has come down with a bad case of "dead" or "in crystal sleep."]]
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[[WMG: Where Lightning is going [[spoiler: in the post-credits scene]]]]
Look closely at [[spoiler: the top of her suitcase. There's a sealed envelope resting underneath the handle. Could be an invitation to Snow & Serah's wedding.]]
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In either case, an after-credits scene shows Noel, Caius, and Yuel living peacefully with the rest of human civilization 700 years in the future.
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In either case, an after-credits scene shows Noel, Caius, and Yuel Yeul living peacefully with the rest of human civilization 700 years in the future.
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* Eh, jossed.
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* [[spoiler: DefiedTrope at the end of the game.]]
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Back in ''[[FinalFantasyXIII XIII]]'', a big deal is made about the party's Focus being to transform into Ragnarok and bring about the end of the world. In the end, Fang is the one to achieve this (much like the first time), and the end of the world is assumed to be the destruction of Cocoon, which was prevented. However, the final 13 days of Nova Chrysallia Chrysalia and Lightning's new role in the game seems to indicate that ''this'' was the Ragnarok that the Pulse l'Cie were to bring out. The end of the world mirrors the original Ragnarok from Norse Mythology, and as the GrandeFinale GrandFinale to the ''XIII'' franchise something akin to the battle of Ragnarok will happen. And just like in the original myth, a new world will be born out of the old.
* [[spoiler: This is pretty much what happens at the end.]]
* [[spoiler: This is pretty much what happens at the end.]]
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* Jossed.
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* The above WMG is actually half-correct. It has been noted on Tumblr that if anyone seems to be opposed to shipping Light & Hope, it's not the game's production crew but rather the English localization team. [[spoiler: Some significant changes were made to the final boss's dialogue that alter his motivations as well as the atmosphere of the battle (one of the most major changes was that he had [[Creator/YuukiKaji Hope's voice]] for the entire fight in Japanese, but the English version used a second voice actor when he stopped using Hope's body), and there were also some changes in the dialogue between Hope & Lightning in the ending, which was more intimate & personal in Japanese.]]
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* The above WMG is actually half-correct. It has been noted on Tumblr that if anyone seems to be opposed to shipping Light & Hope, it's not the game's production crew but rather the English localization team. [[spoiler: Some significant changes were made to the final boss's dialogue that alter his motivations as well as the atmosphere of the battle (one of the most major changes was that he had [[Creator/YuukiKaji Hope's voice]] for the entire fight in Japanese, but the English version used a second voice actor when he stopped using Hope's body), and there were also some changes in the dialogue between Hope & Lightning in the ending, which was more intimate & personal in Japanese.Japanese (one major change being his words after her DespairEventHorizon changing from "I heard your voice" in Japanese to "We heard you" in English.]]
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[[WMG: someone involved in making LR:FFXIII's story is against shipping Lightning and Hope.]]
just think about it, in XIII Hope is too young for Light. In XIII-2 he has aged 10 years and Light hasn't aged at all making Hope a few years older than Light but they don't see each other even once. then in LR:FFXIII they will be alone together constantly but Hope has gone back to being too young for Light for some unknown reason.
just think about it, in XIII Hope is too young for Light. In XIII-2 he has aged 10 years and Light hasn't aged at all making Hope a few years older than Light but they don't see each other even once. then in LR:FFXIII they will be alone together constantly but Hope has gone back to being too young for Light for some unknown reason.
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[[WMG: someone Someone involved in making LR:FFXIII's story is against shipping Lightning and Hope.]]
just Just think about it, in XIII Hope is too young for Light. In XIII-2 he has aged 10 years and Light hasn't aged at all making Hope a few years older than Light but they don't see each other even once. then in LR:FFXIII they will be alone together constantly but Hope has gone back to being too young for Light for some unknown reason.
* Actually, the [[NoExportForYou Ultimania Omega guide]] for LR: FFXIII reveals that [[spoiler: there's a good chance Hope has gone back to an adult in the ending of the game, as his young self here was something created by Bhunivelze, who has come down with a bad case of "dead" or "in crystal sleep."]]
* The above WMG is actually half-correct. It has been noted on Tumblr that if anyone seems to be opposed to shipping Light & Hope, it's not the game's production crew but rather the English localization team. [[spoiler: Some significant changes were made to the final boss's dialogue that alter his motivations as well as the atmosphere of the battle (one of the most major changes was that he had [[Creator/YuukiKaji Hope's voice]] for the entire fight in Japanese, but the English version used a second voice actor when he stopped using Hope's body), and there were also some changes in the dialogue between Hope & Lightning in the ending, which was more intimate & personal in Japanese.]]
* Actually, the [[NoExportForYou Ultimania Omega guide]] for LR: FFXIII reveals that [[spoiler: there's a good chance Hope has gone back to an adult in the ending of the game, as his young self here was something created by Bhunivelze, who has come down with a bad case of "dead" or "in crystal sleep."]]
* The above WMG is actually half-correct. It has been noted on Tumblr that if anyone seems to be opposed to shipping Light & Hope, it's not the game's production crew but rather the English localization team. [[spoiler: Some significant changes were made to the final boss's dialogue that alter his motivations as well as the atmosphere of the battle (one of the most major changes was that he had [[Creator/YuukiKaji Hope's voice]] for the entire fight in Japanese, but the English version used a second voice actor when he stopped using Hope's body), and there were also some changes in the dialogue between Hope & Lightning in the ending, which was more intimate & personal in Japanese.]]
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* Turned out [[spoiler: to be a DefiedTrope. Lightning ''was'' planning to become the new Goddess of Death after slaying Bhunivelze, but deep down inside, she truly didn't want to. Things worked out for her as it turned out Caius and the countless dead Yeuls were more than willing to take the job.]]
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* It will NOT be the end of the L'Cie's stories, rather, based on the theme of XIII in this game, it will lead-in to certain portions of [[KingdomHearts another long-anticipated sequel to one of Square's series.]]
** JOSSED. The FF characters in KH are completely different and not connected to their original persona's in their original games. KH takes place is an alternate universe from the FF series.
** JOSSED. The FF characters in KH are completely different and not connected to their original persona's in their original games. KH takes place is an alternate universe from the FF series.
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* It will NOT be the end of the L'Cie's stories, rather, based on the theme of XIII in this game, it will lead-in to certain portions of [[KingdomHearts [[Franchise/KingdomHearts another long-anticipated sequel to one of Square's series.]]
** JOSSED. The FF characters in KH are completely different and not connected to their originalpersona's personas in their original games. KH takes place is an alternate universe from the FF series.
*** The only exception to this [[EpilepticTrees seemingly]] being [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX Auron]] in ''Kingdom Hearts II'', which doesn't invalidate the fact that the series has different interpretations of the various ''Final Fantasy'' characters, but does bring up the question of how interconnected the alternate universes are.
** JOSSED. The FF characters in KH are completely different and not connected to their original
*** The only exception to this [[EpilepticTrees seemingly]] being [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX Auron]] in ''Kingdom Hearts II'', which doesn't invalidate the fact that the series has different interpretations of the various ''Final Fantasy'' characters, but does bring up the question of how interconnected the alternate universes are.
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** [[spoiler: CONFIRMED. Bhunivelze is the bad guy all along and the final boss.]]
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* [[spoiler: CONFIRMED. Lumina is actually Lightning's vulnerable side, which was created after Bhunivelze found Lightning and purged it, using the Chaos to create a physical form. However, it also purged Serah's soul, which was resting in Lighting's body after their last meeting, in which Lumina became Serah's safeguard from the Chaos. In order to stop Lightning, Bhunivelze used this replica of Serah as Lumina, who was a vessel to "save all" in Nova Chrysalia. During the final battle, when Lightning is about to sacrifice herself to stop the god, Lumina appears and revealed her true origins, convincing her "sister" to accept her vulnerabilities. When that happened, Lumina becomes apart of Lightning again, allowing Serah to be among the freed souls.]]
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[[WMG: someone involved in making LR:FFXII's story is against shipping Lightning and Hope.]]
just think about it, in XIII Hope is too young for Light. In XIII-2 he has aged 10 years and Light hasn't aged at all making Hope a few years older than Light but they don't see each other even once. then in LR:FFXIII they will be alone together constantly but Hope has gone back to being too young for Light for some unknown reason.
just think about it, in XIII Hope is too young for Light. In XIII-2 he has aged 10 years and Light hasn't aged at all making Hope a few years older than Light but they don't see each other even once. then in LR:FFXIII they will be alone together constantly but Hope has gone back to being too young for Light for some unknown reason.
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** I could definitely see the first happening, after all, its right at the end of XIII that the timeline started getting all screwy in the first place, but I doubt they would go the route of the second.
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* Actually it might still happen, it has been mentioned that Adult!Hope will show up at one point, so they might very well hit it off then, and that gets around the pedophilia... though then we have to deal with people calling [[WifeHusbandry Husband Husbandry]](whether it is or not), or at the very least JailBatWait. This is all of course provided they don't hook hope up with Vanille, which I personally find much more likely, and has already had a bit of [[ShipTease teasing.]]
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* Actually it might still happen, it has been mentioned that Adult!Hope will show up at one point, so they might very well hit it off then, and that gets around the pedophilia... though then we have to deal with people calling [[WifeHusbandry Husband Husbandry]](whether it is or not), or at the very least JailBatWait.JailBaitWait. This is all of course provided they don't hook hope up with Vanille, which I personally find much more likely, and has already had a bit of [[ShipTease teasing.]]
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* Actually it might still happen, it has been mentioned that Adult!Hope will show up at one point, so they might very well hit it off then, and that gets around the pedophilia... though then we have to deal with a bit of [[WifeHusbandry Husband Husbandry]]. This is all of course provided they don't hook hope up with Vanille, which I personally find much more likely, and has already had a bit of [[ShipTease teasing.]]
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[[WMG:Noel is ''not'' the "hero" in the "stop the Savior" prophecy...]]
[[spoiler:...Caius is. In the video showing off the Aerith outfit/items, we've already seen that at some point Lightning's former rival lands a pretty fatal-looking blow by shooting a bolt of energy (or something) through her chest. This particular instance is what Noel sees in the prophecy he's so obsessed with... and thus is the reason why he's taken up an attack style that involves him repeatedly throwing his charged weapon at her from above - attempting to echo the scene that he knows "kills" the Savior.]]
[[spoiler:If true, then hopefully this is what finally brings Noel back over to Lightning's side again. I can't imagine he'd be happy with Caius screwing things over ''again'.]]
[[spoiler:...Caius is. In the video showing off the Aerith outfit/items, we've already seen that at some point Lightning's former rival lands a pretty fatal-looking blow by shooting a bolt of energy (or something) through her chest. This particular instance is what Noel sees in the prophecy he's so obsessed with... and thus is the reason why he's taken up an attack style that involves him repeatedly throwing his charged weapon at her from above - attempting to echo the scene that he knows "kills" the Savior.]]
[[spoiler:If true, then hopefully this is what finally brings Noel back over to Lightning's side again. I can't imagine he'd be happy with Caius screwing things over ''again'.]]
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[[WMG: The ''Final Fantasy XIII'' trilogy has been a large extended metaphor for the five stages of grief]]
The five stage of grief in the Kübler-Ross model are generally acknowledged as : 1) Denial 2) Rage/Anger 3) Bargaining 4) Despair and 5) Acceptance. It is a given not everyone experiences all these stages or in this exact order. However, as you look through the FF XIII trilogy, it appears the themes of the game slides through each one of these, almost as if it was about the entire FF XIII world finding acceptance of its coming end.
''Final Fantasy XIII'' deals mainly with the first two stages and a little with the third. ''Final Fanasy XIII-2'' deals mainly with the third stage and ends in the fourth. ''Final Fantasy: Lightning Returns'' appears to be about Lightning pulling the universe as a whole out of the fourth stage and into the fifth and final stage, acceptance.
1) Denial - Lightning denies her sister is a L'Cie. Vanille denies her past as a L'Cie. The people of Cocoon as a whole deny there is anything wrong for the first bit of the game, allowing the murder of thousands with nary a protest.
2) Rage/Anger - Lightning spends a good half of the game in a blinding rage, mowing down anyone in her way. Hope has murderous rage for Snow. Sazh is angry at Vanille for being a Pulse L'Cie. The people of Cocoon begin rioting, terrified and angry that their way of life is being threatened.
3) Bargaining - All the L'Cie try to change their fates, from running around Pulse trying to find answers, to trying to fulfill their Focus with an "exact words" scenario (they destroy Cocoon, but they save it as well). Serah and Noel spend all of XIII-2 hopping up and down the timeline, trying to avert the grim future that Noel is from and to find Lightning. Hope and the people of Pulse work as a whole to rebuild Cocoon and save everyone from its eventual destruction. Alyssa bargains with Caius to avoid being Retgonned from the timeline. Everyone seems to believe if they just work hard enough, death and catastrophe can be avoided.
4) Despair - Lightning crystalizes herself at the end of XIII-2 when she realizes all timelines end with the death of the goddess. The entire universe and all time is destroyed, leading all who survived into a never ending now they can never escape from. Early previews indicate this has unhinged both Noel and Snow, and that they will fight against Lightning in ''Lightning Returns''.
5) Acceptance- In ''Lightning Returns'' it appears Lightning's role will be to help people find this. The universe is being reborn in 13 days and it is her role to guide people to it, and to make sure the new universe born is a good one. In the end, the L'Cie from XIII really couldn't fight fate. The world is ending, and even we the players will have to accept it.
The five stage of grief in the Kübler-Ross model are generally acknowledged as : 1) Denial 2) Rage/Anger 3) Bargaining 4) Despair and 5) Acceptance. It is a given not everyone experiences all these stages or in this exact order. However, as you look through the FF XIII trilogy, it appears the themes of the game slides through each one of these, almost as if it was about the entire FF XIII world finding acceptance of its coming end.
''Final Fantasy XIII'' deals mainly with the first two stages and a little with the third. ''Final Fanasy XIII-2'' deals mainly with the third stage and ends in the fourth. ''Final Fantasy: Lightning Returns'' appears to be about Lightning pulling the universe as a whole out of the fourth stage and into the fifth and final stage, acceptance.
1) Denial - Lightning denies her sister is a L'Cie. Vanille denies her past as a L'Cie. The people of Cocoon as a whole deny there is anything wrong for the first bit of the game, allowing the murder of thousands with nary a protest.
2) Rage/Anger - Lightning spends a good half of the game in a blinding rage, mowing down anyone in her way. Hope has murderous rage for Snow. Sazh is angry at Vanille for being a Pulse L'Cie. The people of Cocoon begin rioting, terrified and angry that their way of life is being threatened.
3) Bargaining - All the L'Cie try to change their fates, from running around Pulse trying to find answers, to trying to fulfill their Focus with an "exact words" scenario (they destroy Cocoon, but they save it as well). Serah and Noel spend all of XIII-2 hopping up and down the timeline, trying to avert the grim future that Noel is from and to find Lightning. Hope and the people of Pulse work as a whole to rebuild Cocoon and save everyone from its eventual destruction. Alyssa bargains with Caius to avoid being Retgonned from the timeline. Everyone seems to believe if they just work hard enough, death and catastrophe can be avoided.
4) Despair - Lightning crystalizes herself at the end of XIII-2 when she realizes all timelines end with the death of the goddess. The entire universe and all time is destroyed, leading all who survived into a never ending now they can never escape from. Early previews indicate this has unhinged both Noel and Snow, and that they will fight against Lightning in ''Lightning Returns''.
5) Acceptance- In ''Lightning Returns'' it appears Lightning's role will be to help people find this. The universe is being reborn in 13 days and it is her role to guide people to it, and to make sure the new universe born is a good one. In the end, the L'Cie from XIII really couldn't fight fate. The world is ending, and even we the players will have to accept it.
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wants Lightning to save his soul, since she's the savior. This prompts Light to find Caius and fight him for his soul.]]
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[[WMG: The end of the world is really just Caius pressing the ResetButton.]]
Caius' plan didn't really work like he wanted, with neither himself or Yeul being happy. So, he resets the world, erasing everyone's memories and reshaping things in a vain attempt to "fix" things. In truth, this has been going on for well over 500 years. Lightning, having been in Crystal Stasis in Valhalla, was the only person not affected by this.
Caius' plan didn't really work like he wanted, with neither himself or Yeul being happy. So, he resets the world, erasing everyone's memories and reshaping things in a vain attempt to "fix" things. In truth, this has been going on for well over 500 years. Lightning, having been in Crystal Stasis in Valhalla, was the only person not affected by this.
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** Except that ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV'' is already in the works. So obviously this isn't true.
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*** Except that it wouldn't be a GrandFinale for the series if more ''Final Fantasy'' games came after it, would it? And do you ''really'' think Square wouldn't have a big CrisisCrossover between all of the games not be the final game in the franchise?
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** The problem with this though, is that after the time crash, no one can be born, and even if Serah was reincarnated right before the time crash, her reincarnation wouldn't have aged at all and would've remained an infant up to when Lightning returns. But that doesn't mean this theory can't be true. Her reincarnation could be unnatural.....
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** The problem with this though, is that after the time crash, no one can be born, and even if Serah was reincarnated right before the time crash, her reincarnation wouldn't have aged at all and would've remained an infant up to when Lightning returns. But that doesn't mean this theory can't be true. Her reincarnation could be unnatural.....
unnatural...
* Maybe Lumina is really bent on messing with Lightning, so she must've absorbed Serah's soul or something to gain her appearance. However, the soul still wants to care about her sister, so the two parts fight with each other like Mulitple Personality Disorder.
* Maybe Lumina is really bent on messing with Lightning, so she must've absorbed Serah's soul or something to gain her appearance. However, the soul still wants to care about her sister, so the two parts fight with each other like Mulitple Personality Disorder.
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*** Doesn't mean that this theory also can't be true, though ''DissidiaFinalFantasy'' already laid the origins of Chaos to rest.
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* Outfits from every leading Final Fantasy character in existence, including Noctis (as a means to promote [[FinalFantasyXV [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV XV]]), which doesn't seem too far off from being possible (outside of time constraints/budget) considering Lightning gets Cloud's iconic SOLDIER 1st Class uniform and Buster Sword, and Yuna's robes.
